Question for Ghaith and MM

[HomerJay]

Hello Garudaman

Which do you think more likely - Allah saying "Be" and buraq was, or, Allah needing a laboratory with all the high tec instruments to create a memory of a light pulse which was then able to create its memory on atoms?

This all happened in extremely low temperatures and so I hope that Muhammad protected his testicles so that they did not freeze off. Perhaps it would have been better if they did freeze off along with his joystick. I think that what you presented was nothing more than sci-fi wishful thinking to explain the nonsense of buraq. Perhaps you meant it as a joke.

sum

the point is, light is another form of matter, so theoretically light can turning into matter & vice versa!

Can you provide a link to the study?
I've only heard of "encoding" light pulse information onto sodium atoms. But that's not conversion of light to matter, it just sounds impressive for the popular press.
No atoms get "created" in these experiments. The "messenger atoms" that result are just copies of the SEQUENCE of the the original light pulse.
As far as I know nobody has ever been able to convert electromagnetic energy or massless particles into massed particles.

But it seems silly to bring up such studies when talking about flying "lightning" donkeys. I mean, omnipotent beings are capable of ANYTHING, right? Christ supposedly multiplied loaves and fishes. That is physically impossible, as it violates conservation of mass and energy. As far as I know Christians don't care about that. A miracle is a miracle and is understood to be beyond physical science.

[pr126]

Garudaman wrote:

The point is, light is another form of matter, so theoretically light can turning into matter & vice versa!

I didn't know that Garudaman studied Theoretical physics.

[sum]

Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
the point is, light is another form of matter, so theoretically light can turning into matter & vice versa!

You are missing the point. If your god, Allah, can say "Be" and it "is", why would he have to use light? If he uses light he is going to have to be scientific about it and use all your sci-fi technicalities that the article says are needed. You are skating around a difficult question but the suggestion that you made is ludicrous. Tell me why allah would not say "Be" and buraq "was". If Allah was capable of all things then your suggestion of light to matter is irrelevant.

Also, please tell me if you truly believe that buraq existed and that Muhammad actually flew on this beast on his night journey.

sum

[skynightblaze]

It's quite simple. You are not a Muslim. That makes you a lower form of life, and therefore you may not negatively address your superiors. That's why it's perfectly acceptable for Mohammed or Ghaith to call you a pig or a monkey or "the vilest of creatures", because that's all true (for proof check the Quran). But a lesser being should not mock a superior being.

Precisely. I pointed out the same double standards the other day . He raised objections against my avatar because he feels insulted but it does not bother him when Muhammad smashed 360 idols of pagans. SO while it is ok if Muhammad does even more offensive things it is not Ok if someone merely draws a cartoon of his prophet. A non muslim is certainly of less value in islam. There is a hadith where Muhammad discriminates between muslims and non muslims. If a life of a non muslim is taken by a muslim then Muhammad has no problems but if a muslim is killed by a muslim then he needs to pay some blood money.

[ygalg]

Jew dont play with words. Quote the hadith and show how it was an argument.

Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers. When I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord for your followers will not be able to bear it.' and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all fifty for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.'

"followers will not be able to bear it" that's arguing, that's whining. this story tale, imitates the story of sodom and gomorrah, where Abraham argues with god for the fate of the people, which god about to annihilate. the interesting twist is where Abraham argues to increase the number, Muhammad argues to reduce. 50 was the start number in both stories.

[Ghaith]

"followers will not be able to bear it" that's arguing, that's whining. this story tale, imitates the story of sodom and gomorrah, where Abraham argues with god for the fate of the people, which god about to annihilate. the interesting twist is where Abraham argues to increase the number, Muhammad argues to reduce. 50 was the start number in both stories.

Moses told him to go back to his lord, when Muhammad begged God to reduce prayer, god reduced it.Arguing would mean both parties disagree. Show me where God disagreed and denied Muhammads request.

[iffo]

"followers will not be able to bear it" that's arguing, that's whining. this story tale, imitates the story of sodom and gomorrah, where Abraham argues with god for the fate of the people, which god about to annihilate. the interesting twist is where Abraham argues to increase the number, Muhammad argues to reduce. 50 was the start number in both stories.

Moses told him to go back to his lord, when Muhammad begged God to reduce prayer, god reduced it.Arguing would mean both parties disagree. Show me where God disagreed and denied Muhammads request.

@Ghaith
Looks like Allah did not have any brain Was your God out of his mind to assign 50 prayers? if one prays 50 time a day, when will you get the time to do anything else. Was he going to put food on the table for everybody. Looks like Moses was more intelligent than Allah You never thought about this story critically, did you buddy ?

Dumb religion for duffer people.

[HomerJay]

"followers will not be able to bear it" that's arguing, that's whining. this story tale, imitates the story of sodom and gomorrah, where Abraham argues with god for the fate of the people, which god about to annihilate. the interesting twist is where Abraham argues to increase the number, Muhammad argues to reduce. 50 was the start number in both stories.

Moses told him to go back to his lord, when Muhammad begged God to reduce prayer, god reduced it.Arguing would mean both parties disagree. Show me where God disagreed and denied Muhammads request.

Argument probably isn't the right word. A mortal can't really argue with an omnipotent being. It's more like "complaining" or even "whining". It sounds like a child complaining to his parents about the size of his chores, or how many Brussels sprouts he had to eat at dinner. In any event, it's pretty disrespectful. By questioning the appropriateness of the command, Mohammed was essentially saying he knew more about what people would be able to bear than Allah, and that god had made a mistake in picking this number.

Of course Mohammed only included these verses to stave off complaints by lazy people, as in "What? You won't even do a TENTH of what was originally ordered?" But he blunders in that he makes Allah look ignorant. When a mortal man like Mohammed has to question the wisdom of God's orders, and gets God to RELENT and CHANGE them, it makes the almighty look like a doofus.