Lies about prophet muhammad refuted and destroyed.

[Ghaith]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Zakaria Bustrous claim about Muhammad having slept with his dead aunt(ahudubillah).

This is from a book called "Kanz Al Umal" (The Treasure of the Workers), in the chapter of "The issues of women", authored by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in "Al-Jami Al-Saghir," written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.
Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

Zakaria Bussrous made this claim and *surprise* *surprise* he was a chrstians.

What this Christian liar says is that Idajaa means lay down to have sex with.

Idajaa can either mean lie down, lie, recline, repose it does not refer to sex. No autheoiry would consider it meaning sex.

The Arabic word idajaa اضطجع is used in the Arabic Bible in 2Kings 4:32

(2 kings 4:32)When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying dead on his couch.[1]

ودخل اليشع البيت واذا بالصبي ميت ومضطجع على سريره.
(2kings 4:32 arabic)[2]

According to Almaany English Arabic Dictionary[3]

- have gone to bed; be sleeping
- to fall asleep
- be tired and almost asleep
- go to bed
- to be at rest on something; (of a thing) rest flat on a surface
- recline so as to rest
- to have a short rest; assume a lying position
- to lie down, recline
- take a recess
- lean or lie back in a horizontal position
- become less anxious, worried, or formal in manner; be at ease
- rest; lie
- be still or asleep; stop moving or woeking
- sleep or slumber
- be in a state of a sleep
- put or go to bed; provide bedding for

So what did the prophet (pbuh) do?
He gave his shirt to be used as a part of her shroud, saying he prayed to Allah to forgive her and give her the dress of Paradise.. When the grave was prepared the prophet (pbuh) himself examined it and with his own hands and lied down inside it then he got out then the prophet and the companious placed her into the grave. She was one of the few blessed people whose graves the prophet (pbuh) himself examined. Now note the companious was also at the place and helped the prophet bury her(Fatima).

She was like a mother to the prophet.

” May God bless your noble soul. You were to me like my own mother. You fed me while you yourself went hungry. Your aim in doing so was to please God with your deeds." He often said, "I was an orphan and she made me her son. She was the kindest person to me after Abu Talib” Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)

Now also note that Kanz Al Umal is not authentic but even if we where to take this hadith for granted it shows us that he layd down on the grave before her than got up, and buried her with his companious.


[1] http://bible.cc/2_kings/4-32.htm
[2] http://arb.scripturetext.com/2_kings/4.htm
[3]http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=english&lang_name=Arabic&word=%D8%A7%D8%B6%D8%B7%D8%AC%D8%B9&type_word=0

[skynightblaze]

He gave his shirt to be used as a part of her shroud, saying he prayed to Allah to forgive her and give her the dress of Paradise.. When the grave was prepared the prophet (pbuh) himself examined it and with his own hands and lied down inside it then he got out then the prophet and the companious placed her into the grave. She was one of the few blessed people whose graves the prophet (pbuh) himself examined. Now note the companious was also at the place and helped the prophet bury her(Fatima)

You could be right however I have a few questions.

You are saying that she was one of the blessed companions whose grave Muhammad himself examined . Who were the other blessed companions whose grave Muhammad took rest/ repose as you claim ?? This question is important because if we don't have any evidence of muhammad not doing the same act with others in the grave then it raises an eyebrow. The obvious question then is why did Muhammad had to do this act with this particular woman?

Secondly,the above narration also says that this lady was Allah's best creation next to Abu Talib. If this lady was second to Abu Talib then we must also find Muhammad doing the same with respect to Abu Talib in his grave. If the second best is given such respect then the best person i,e Abu Talib deserves the same treatment or even a better treatment . If what you say is true then please explain why Abu Talib was not treated the same way as this lady?

Thirdly, read the passage below that you quoted..

I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

What is meant by the part in red? How is Muhammad taking rest in the coffin going to reduce the pressure of the grave? I suppose reducing pressure of the grave means saving her from torment but then what sense does this make?

[Ghaith]

@sky

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.


Saying this hadith is not authentic easily refutes any question towards this.

Now also note that Kanz Al Umal is not authentic but even if we where to take this hadith for granted it shows us that he layd down on the grave before her than got up, and buried her with his companious.

But i will answer you question.

What is meant by the part in red? How is Muhammad taking rest in the coffin going to reduce the pressure of the grave? I suppose reducing pressure of the grave means saving her from torment but then what sense does this make?

Sky if you have studied Islam you will know that our sayaat we pay for them in the grave, while in the last day all we have left is our hasanat. That why he rested in her grave. He didnt want her to suffer in her grave even if she was good she still have sinned the prophet him self did.

If what you say is true then please explain why Abu Talib was not treated the same way as this lady?

Abu Talib was not a muslim that why.

Secondly,the above narration also says that this lady was Allah's best creation next to Abu Talib. If this lady was second to Abu Talib then we must also find Muhammad doing the same with respect to Abu Talib in his grave. If the second best is given such respect then the best person i,e Abu Talib deserves the same treatment or even a better treatment . If what you say is true then please explain why Abu Talib was not treated the same way as this lady?

He did something similar to Khadijas grave also .

Source:Bibi Khadija tul Kubra , A Short Story of Her Life, by Syed A.A Razwy , Published by: Tahrike Tarsile Qur’an Publishers and Distributors of Holy Qur’an P.O Box 1115 - Elmhurst NY 11373-1115


Keep in mind this is from an weak book not from neither Bukhari or Muslim.

[pr126]

Yosh1994 wrote:

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.

Not worse that your avatar with the genocidal hatred of Jews.

[Ghaith]

Yosh1994 wrote:

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.

Not worse that your avatar with the genocidal hatred of Jews.

I dont hate jews? I am against Zionism. A political view.

[pr126]

Yosh1994 wrote:

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.

Not worse that your avatar with the genocidal hatred of Jews.

I dont hate jews? I am against Zionism. A political view.

Would you say that ALL Jews are Zionist? Therefore Zionism is just an excuse?

What about Quran 5:82? Was there any Zionist in Muhammad's time?

Quran 5:82 Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikun

[Ghaith]

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.

Not worse that your avatar with the genocidal hatred of Jews.

I dont hate jews? I am against Zionism. A political view.[/quote]

Would you say that ALL Jews are Zionist? Therefore Zionism is just an excuse?

What about Quran 5:82? Was there any Zionist in Muhammad's time?

Quran 5:82 Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikun [/quote]

Not all jews are Zionists, but most Zionists are Jews.

[ringmaster]

@sky

Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.


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Tell your whoremaster allah to be more respectful. Your satan allah guy should apologize for calling kufars "pigs and monkeys".

[enceladus]

I agree with ringmaster.

Respect is earned. Islam has done nothing to earn respect. All it deserves is scorn, contempt, mocking, derision and ridicule. That goes for the fake "prophet" mohammad and his fake "god" allah too.

- enceladus

[skynightblaze]

@sky
Be more respectful and remove that photo from your avatar. There should be a limit, and you crossed it by a long shot.

When we know islam is 2+2=3 why should we respect it? Remember your words?? You absolutely had no problem when Muhammad actually destroyed the idols of pagans and here you are screaming just because someone made a cartoon of him?? Didn't Muhammad cross his limits when he smashed the pagan idols? If your answer is No then I do not think I have crossed any limit.

Also tell me why should I respect Allah and his messenger when I am practically abused by quran??..
According to 98:6 i am the worst of creature just because i don't believe. According to 8:55 I am the vilest of animals because I dont believe. So while Allah has all the liberty to insult me ,you want me to respect such a third grade low level God? Please read my signature..

If quran abuses me then why should I not return the insults?

Saying this hadith is not authentic easily refutes any question towards this.

Then why did you bother to go all the trouble about meaning of that arabic word?? Anyway soon I will create a thread posting Sahih hadith especially for you.

What is meant by the part in red? How is Muhammad taking rest in the coffin going to reduce the pressure of the grave? I suppose reducing pressure of the grave means saving her from torment but then what sense does this make?

Sky if you have studied Islam you will know that our sayaat we pay for them in the grave, while in the last day all we have left is our hasanat. That why he rested in her grave. He didnt want her to suffer in her grave even if she was good she still have sinned the prophet him self did.

So just because Muhamamad rests in her grave her sins are nullified and she does not suffer in the grave? What kind of justice system is that? Also are you trying to tell me that Muhammad has the power to change Allah's decision?? It appears that way. She was going to suffer in grave and Muhammad;s act saves her so this means that Muhammad can overrule Allah's decisions. I am drifting from the topic here but just see how much of a mess your answers are creating. Don't you feel that you are running out of logic? I mean how can anyone keep defending islam this long when one can clearly see that he/she is unable to defend it?

If what you say is true then please explain why Abu Talib was not treated the same way as this lady?

Abu Talib was not a muslim that why.

but the quote says that Abu Talib was more dear to Muhammad than this woman . Why does it say that he was more dear than her if Abu Talib was a non muslim?

Secondly,the above narration also says that this lady was Allah's best creation next to Abu Talib. If this lady was second to Abu Talib then we must also find Muhammad doing the same with respect to Abu Talib in his grave. If the second best is given such respect then the best person i,e Abu Talib deserves the same treatment or even a better treatment . If what you say is true then please explain why Abu Talib was not treated the same way as this lady?

He did something similar to Khadijas grave also .

Source:Bibi Khadija tul Kubra , A Short Story of Her Life, by Syed A.A Razwy , Published by: Tahrike Tarsile Qur’an Publishers and Distributors of Holy Qur’an P.O Box 1115 - Elmhurst NY 11373-1115

Please quote the entire narration so that we can the similarity. I do not think there is any similarity otherwise you would have quoted it immediately. This creates suspicion. I have not formed an opinion as of yet but it seems odd to me that Muhammad rested in the grave of this particular woman but not in the grave of anyone else besides her.

Your best defense would have been that these quotes are less reliable rather than attempting to refute this one.

[Ghaith]

@sky

Then why did you bother to go all the trouble about meaning of that arabic word?? Anyway soon I will create a thread posting Sahih hadith especially for you.

Why thanks you
I went on this trouble because i was writing this article for other purposes and decided to copy/paste it here also, even if this hadith isnt authentic i still want to show that the Christians are liars and they twist words.

So just because Muhamamad rests in her grave her sins are nullified and she does not suffer in the grave? What kind of justice system is that? Also are you trying to tell me that Muhammad has the power to change Allah's decision?? It appears that way. She was going to suffer in grave and Muhammad;s act saves her so this means that Muhammad can overrule Allah's decisions. I am drifting from the topic here but just see how much of a mess your answers are creating. Don't you feel that you are running out of logic? I mean how can anyone keep defending islam this long when one can clearly see that he/she is unable to defend it?

Muhammad(saw) was very precious to Allah(swt), Muhammad(swt) did this in hope for Allah going easy on here. I never said what he did had any acctual effect as i dont know the answer to that.

but the quote says that Abu Talib was more dear to Muhammad than this woman . Why does it say that he was more dear than her if Abu Talib was a non muslim

Abu Talib was indeed the most dear to Muhammad(saw), but Abu Talib never became a muslim.

That why this surah comes in.

It is not for the Prophet and those who have believed to ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they were relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of Hellfire. 9:113

Abu Talib didnt want to convert to Islam because he wanted to keep his power and the religoun of his anchestors.

I know its funny how the person Muhammad (saw) loved most was not a Muslim.

Please quote the entire narration so that we can the similarity. I do not think there is any similarity otherwise you would have quoted it immediately. This creates suspicion. I have not formed an opinion as of yet but it seems odd to me that Muhammad rested in the grave of this particular woman but not in the grave of anyone else besides her.

I could find any good translation of this but this is the best i found.

"The Prophet (SAW) forever remembered Bibi Khadija (SA) with love, affection and gratitude. Her death filled his heart with deep pain and sorrow. Bibi Khadija (SA) expired on the 10 Ramadan of the 10th year of the Proclamation of Islam in 619, and was laid to rest in Hujun, Meccah Mukarramah. The Messenger of Allah himself descended into her grave to lay in it for a few moments. He (SAW) smoothed the earth on her grave after the burial."

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Your quote -
Muhammad(saw) was very precious to Allah(swt).......

Absolutely correct. Allah is actually Muhammad masquerading as a god, Allah. Of course Muhammad was very precious to Allah. It is another way of saying that Muhammad was very precious to Muhammad. This is another manifestation of Muhammad`s malignant narcissism.

sum

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Your quote -
Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

Are present day muslims to follow Muhammad`s example of sleeping in the grave with dead relatives?

sum

[Terrab]

(Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

Are present day muslims to follow Muhammad`s example of sleeping in the grave with dead relatives?

The muslim is right the book is not authentic there is a lot of good stuff in the authentic you can bring up like Banu quraiz but. we should not bring up non authentic ahadiths so muslims come with exuses that its false or made up by infidels or so on. sorry for my spelling

[pr126]

Hello Terrab, welcome to the forum.

Who decides which ahadiths are authentic and which are not?

[Terrab]

Being fair to the muslims is important for no further exucuses.
This very hadith has broken narrations and the word idaja doesnt reffer to sex, so this is not something worth holding on to.

How ever i would like to se the muslim find a good excuse for this 1.

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Some people (i.e. the Jews of Bani bin quraiza) agreed to accept the verdict of Sad bin Muadh so the Prophet sent for him (i.e. Sad bin Muadh). He came riding a donkey, and when he approached the Mosque, the Prophet said, "Get up for the best amongst you." or said, "Get up for your chief." Then the Prophet said, "O Sad! These people have agreed to accept your verdict." Sad said, "I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives." The Prophet said, "You have given a judgment similar to Allah's Judgment (or the King's judgment)."

Apostle sent him (Abu Lubaba) to them (Banu Quraiza), and when they saw him they got up to meet him. The women and children went up to him weeping in his face, and he felt sorry for them. They said, ‘Oh Abu Lubaba, do you think that we should submit to Muhammad's judgement? He said ‘yes' and pointed with his hand to his throat signifying slaughter.
Ibn Ishaq: 686

The Messenger of God had commanded that all of them who had reached puberty should be killed.[6]
Al-Tabari: Vol 8. (p. 38)

On the case of Aisha is not the famous claim that puberty was reached earlier?


Perhaps some of you can help me out with some few other ahadiths.

Im sorry for my spelling.

ello Terrab, welcome to the forum.

Who decides which ahadiths are authentic and which are not?

And Thank you very much.

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Terrab wrote:

Im sorry for my spelling.

Not a problem.