Ahmadi peaceful Muslims have no confrontation with others

[AhmedBahgat]

AhmedBahgat says

Mirza Ahmad Baig, a cousin of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (the founder of the Qadiani cult), had a beautiful daughter, by the name of Muhammadi Begum, in whom Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had shown an interest. However, Mirza Baig, a devoted Muslim, had repeatedly refused to wed his elder daughter to the false Qadiani Prophet whom he viewed as a non-believer (Kafir).

By chance, Mirza Baig needed the signature of Mirza Qadiani on a deed pertaining to a piece of land Mirza Baig owned. Mirza Qadiani tried to exploit the situation and suggested he will do so, after requesting divine recommendation (Istekhara). A few days later, Mirza Qadiani informed Mirza Baig that he would sign the deed only if Mirza Baig would agree to wed his young daughter to him. Mirza Qadiani, suggested that he had received a divine revelation of dire consequences should the marriage not take place. His words were:

The Almighty God has told me that I should send a marriage proposal to the elder daughter of a Ahmad Baig; he has also ordered you to accept me as your first son in law and derive light from my knowledge and wisdom. Furthermore, I am to inform you that I have been granted the permission to execute the deed of the land you are interested in and bestow upon you additional land and other favors, provided you wed your daughter to me. This is the only treaty between you and I. So, if you accept, I will accept this too. If you do not accept, then God has ordered me to warn you that -in case the girl is married to someone else -- it will not be auspicious for you or her.
(Aaiana-e-Kamalat-e-Islam Dar Khazain, Vol. 5, P. #572)

Dear AhmedBahgat , could you please give a web link on that, if you happened to know any..

with best wishes
yeezevee

http://free-islam.com/extraimages/mirza ... adiani.pdf

[junkmaster]

Hey all

here is an extract from a nice book that is totled the prophecies of Mirza Ahmad Qadiani, let's find out how such conman was a clear cut jerk of a horny clown

Oh the hypocrisy. Oh the Irony. Too funny that a Mohammedan such as yourself would call another prophet a conman and horny clown, but turn a blind eye to your own prophet's cons and divinely sanctioned sexual indulgences. If you were consistent you should respect this alleged prophet for so closely emulating your so-called prophet's behavior.


jm

[AhmedBahgat]

Hey all

here is an extract from a nice book that is totled the prophecies of Mirza Ahmad Qadiani, let's find out how such conman was a clear cut jerk of a horny clown

Oh the hypocrisy. Oh the Irony. Too funny that a Mohammedan such as yourself would call another prophet a conman and horny clown, but turn a blind eye to your own prophet's cons and divinely sanctioned sexual indulgences. If you were consistent you should respect this alleged prophet for so closely emulating your so-called prophet's behavior.


jm

Piece of junk

I am using the crap written by the Dajjal and conman Mirza himself

your man made crap of hadith is not written by Muhammad

Dismiss yourself you shifty and coonfused piece of junk, you have no fukin point

[manfred]

Hey all

here is an extract from a nice book that is totled the prophecies of Mirza Ahmad Qadiani, let's find out how such conman was a clear cut jerk of a horny clown

Oh the hypocrisy. Oh the Irony. Too funny that a Mohammedan such as yourself would call another prophet a conman and horny clown, but turn a blind eye to your own prophet's cons and divinely sanctioned sexual indulgences. If you were consistent you should respect this alleged prophet for so closely emulating your so-called prophet's behavior.
jm

Junkmaster,

Exactly.

What is also quite obvious is how the fact that there are a number of branches of Islam is used to create even more smoke screens with non-Muslims, as we have seen here.

"No, THESE Muslisms are not Muslims at all, WE are the ONLY TRUE Muslims..." and then: "to the contrary, " shout the others (like BagHat), "I AM a True Muslim, nobody who even in the slightest disagrees with me is a real Muslim..."

The fact is that ANYONE calling himself a Muslim "has gone far astray", using a quranic phrase, and ALL who acknowledge Mohammed as any kind of prophet "are one of the blasphemers".

So all that Ahmed is demonstrating here is that he sees the splinter in the eye of his Muslim brother, but not the beam of wood in his own eye. His own version of that wretched cult is quite different from that promoted by most others, so the very thing he accuses this "prophet" of he does daily.

[Cassie]

Bahgat is too far gone to see how similar Muhammad was to Qadiani. Both claimed to be prophets and both claimed self-serving revelations from their sock-puppet gods to fulfil their lust for women. In Mo's case it was Zaynab and the Mariyah affair and more wives than other Muslims. The self-serving nature of those revelations are just so obvious, not to mention odious. Muslims just can't bring themselves to admit it, or the shaky edifice of their faith comes tumbling down.

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey,

You told us who incredibly simple it is to become a Muslim. Tell us, how easy is it for people to change their mind and leave Islam for a different religion?

Hi friend manfred

It is as simple and convenient to leave Islam as it is to become a Muslim. If one is convinced heart and mind that Islam is not truthful, one can leave Islam.

[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
[4:139] Give to the hypocrites the tidings that for them is a grievous punishment,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh ... &verse=136

There is no punishment in this world for leaving Islam if one is not convinced of its truthfulness.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Islam

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Paarsurrey,

You told us who incredibly simple it is to become a Muslim. Tell us, how easy is it for people to change their mind and leave Islam for a different religion?

Hi friend manfred

It is as simple and convenient to leave Islam as it is to become a Muslim. If one is convinced heart and mind that Islam is not truthful, one can leave Islam.

[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
[4:139] Give to the hypocrites the tidings that for them is a grievous punishment,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh ... &verse=136

There is no punishment in this world for leaving Islam if one is not convinced of its truthfulness.

So, those who KILL apostates from Islam are NOT "Muslims"?

[manfred]

There is no punishment in this world for leaving Islam if one is not convinced of its truthfulness.

It seems that Muhammad does not quite agree with you, parrsurrey:

Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58

Narrated Abu Bruda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and hen reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

While most Muslims agree with the hadith and prescribe the death penalty for apostacy, a mall minority affirm, like parrsurrey, that it is God who will deal with them in the afterlife:

002.217
They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.


I wonder if you, parrsurrey, can explain how God can punish a man in hell for an honest conviction he held in his lifetime? Your children have bought you a present, and you hate it. Do you beat them? What kind of God eternally tortures a man who wanted nothing but to serve God all his life, and did his best to follow his conscience in choosing the religion he was most convinced to contain the most truth?

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I answered the question with a quote from Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of Muslims.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[manfred]

My question was...

I wonder if you, parrsurrey, can explain how God can punish a man in hell for an honest conviction he held in his lifetime? Your children have bought you a present, and you hate it. Do you beat them? What kind of God eternally tortures a man who wanted nothing but to serve God all his life, and did his best to follow his conscience in choosing the religion he was most convinced to contain the most truth?

Your response

I answered the question with a quote from Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of Muslims.

Well, you have not answered the question yet, at all... We have seen that the quran threatens any such person I described with eternal hell fire.

That leads to the unavoidable conclusion that the the god of the quran is unjust. An unjust God cannot exist as we cannot ascribe God with imperfections or faults. So the quran itself contains the uncontrovertible proof that is a fake, and has nothing to do with God.

How can any divine entity be cruel and petty, in the way the quran teaches? How come Muslims cannot see that rather obvious fact?

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey,

You told us who incredibly simple it is to become a Muslim. Tell us, how easy is it for people to change their mind and leave Islam for a different religion?

Hi friend manfred

It is as simple and convenient to leave Islam as it is to become a Muslim. If one is convinced heart and mind that Islam is not truthful, one can leave Islam.

[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
[4:139] Give to the hypocrites the tidings that for them is a grievous punishment,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh ... &verse=136

There is no punishment in this world for leaving Islam if one is not convinced of its truthfulness.

So, those who KILL apostates from Islam are NOT "Muslims"?

Hi friends

Those who kill the apostates don't follow the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there is no doubt about it; It is well established from Quran. Anybody who does this will be punished by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[yeezevee]

paarsurrey

Hi friends

Those who kill the apostates don't follow the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there is no doubt about it; It is well established from Quran. Anybody who does this will be punished by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

Ha!., again you seems to be right dear paarsurrey ., For what Muhammad did to Arabian Pagans, Jewish folk and Christians during his time after the death of his first wife Khadija., Our God Allah YHWH must have put Muhammad(PBUH) Prophet of Islam in the LOWEST PIT of that hot hell described in Quran..

with best
yeezevee

[manfred]

Those who kill the apostates don't follow the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there is no doubt about it; It is well established from Quran. Anybody who does this will be punished by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

Are you avoiding to give an answer? That is not at all the point. Let me ask again.

The quran says that GOD will eternally torture those who abandon Islam, (I have not asked you about humans who seem to think they should kill those whose understand Islam better than they do...)

I asked you if your children buy you a presentand you don't like it, would you beat them? No? Then why would God punish those who in good conscience abandon Islam because they have understood the deceipt; in order to serve God better, they have chosen the faith their conscience dictates.

[paarsurrey]

Those who kill the apostates don't follow the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there is no doubt about it; It is well established from Quran. Anybody who does this will be punished by the Creator- God Allah YHWH

Hi friends

I have given a quote from the Quran that there is no physical punishment for apostates in this world, in my opinion. Those who differ with me should give a reference from the Quran, the first and the foremost source of Islam.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[manfred]

I have given a quote from the Quran that there is no physical punishment for apostates in this world, in my opinion. Those who differ with me should give a reference from the Quran, the first and the foremost source of Islam.

Why are you STILL avoiding the question?

For the the third time:

From you quote, God will eternally punish ANY apostate.

I have asked how that can be just. So, is it just to punish someone for an acted done in good conscience

[paarsurrey]

I have given a quote from the Quran that there is no physical punishment for apostates in this world, in my opinion. Those who differ with me should give a reference from the Quran, the first and the foremost source of Islam.

Why are you STILL avoiding the question?

For the the third time:

From you quote, God will eternally punish ANY apostate.

I have asked how that can be just. So, is it just to punish someone for an acted done in good conscience

Hi friend manfred

I don't judge anybody. The Creator- God Allah YHWH is the best judge; He is the most merciful and forgiver; and He only knows the good or bad intentions of the human beings. He could forgive; if He likes, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[manfred]

I don't judge anybody. The Creator- God Allah YHWH is the best judge; He is the most merciful and forgiver; and He only knows the good or bad intentions of the human beings. He could forgive; if He likes, in my opinion.
Thanks

He could forgive if he likes? So being just is merely a whim God can indulge one day but not the next? Can God choose to be unjust? Why is a decision to leave a religion someone sees as false something "He could forgive if he likes"? If anything, it is a courageous act that should please God even if it was the wrong decision, which Islam can hardly claim. Islam is evidently false, and the evidence is overwhelming.

You mention how the quranic god is described as merciful and a forgiver. Yet ALL those leaving Islam, no matter for what reason, are condemned to hell, according the quran. So, how is that merciful or forgiving?

By the way, to equate "Allah" with JHWH is highly offensive, factually false and blasphemous. Allah is NOT the God of the bible, Islamic Allah is the quraish moongod dressed up in Judeo-Christian clothing, to give the old idol some credibility. So to equate Allah with the God of the Jews and Christians is insulting them.

[paarsurrey]

Mohammad: "Take and give me 20%"

Hi friend manfred

Please quote the text of the verse; with the usual context of five preceding and five following verses for a meaningful discussion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[crazymonkie_]

That's not even a part of his reply.

Respond to manfred's reply, or STFU.

[manfred]

parrsurrey,

I was hoping I would get a response to the question I asked, which was essentially this:

God either

a) condemns all apostates to hell without exception, as the quran states

or

b) God is just and merciful, as the quran also states.

a) and b) cannot be true at the same time, as they contradict each each other. So which is right, a or b, or none?