How many mosques have been destroyed by non-muslims?

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How many mosques have been destroyed by non-muslims?

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I am only aware of just two mosques being destroyed by non-muslims. The first was the Babri mosque in India and more recently the mosque in northern China. Does anyone know of any other?

Places of non-Islamic worship are being destroyed in many countries and so their number is diminishing whereas the mosques are proliferating in all countries. It is one-way traffic. More muslims and mosques in the West but fewer non-muslims and non-Islamic places of worship in Islamic countries.

Politicians are doing absolutely nothing about it.

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sum wrote:I am only aware of just two mosques being destroyed by non-muslims. The first was the Babri mosque in India and more recently the mosque in northern China. Does anyone know of any other?
I remember long time ago there was an incident in Indonesia somewhere where small muslims minority were running away from their village chased by the advancing mob. They took shelter in the mosque in the nearby village. But the mob burned the mosque, with more than a hundred people in it. Is this considered as one of them?

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Oh almost forgot. In Pakistan, in there the muslims themselves bombed the mosques and killed the worshippers too. Not once or twice but it happened so many times. And another incident, the Saudi troops destroyed fwq mosques in Bahrain recently.

There you go, I have add few to your list. Be thankful.

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Muhammad burned a mosque with worshipers in it.

Bukhari V1:B11:N626:
“The Prophet said, “burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes”
Prophet had a mosque (Masjid e Zarrar) burnt down along with the bad muslims praying inside . Those vermins had made different excuses not to join the prophet in Jihad. Allah accused them as liars and munafiqs and prophet had their mosque burned down with them inside, all who tried to escape were beaten back

So according to Quran 33:21 Muslims emulate the prophet.
Islam: an idea to kill and die for.

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Hello abc123

Thanks for your comments but I would like to ask if the mob in Indonesia was muslim or non-muslim? Were there any repercussions by the muslims?

The Pakistan incident appears to be muslim on muslim rather than non-muslim on muslim.

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Hello pr126

The following is a link explaining the burning of a mosque by Muhammad. It is referenced in the Koran, chapter 9. It is well worth a read.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasen50920.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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The grande mosque of Cordoba is a catheral today... it's still standing, but it's not a mosque.

Also, in Indonesia, there are periodic outbreaks of fighting between Christians and Muslims. Usually they start with some Muslims disrupting a church service, but there are also stories of rapes of Christian girl, and forced conversions.

This then sometimes results is retaliation, which in turn causes more violence.

Usually that sort of thing does not last long, affected areas are parts of Sumatera, and Sulawesi in particular, but also elsewhere.

There is a very uneasy truce between Christians and Muslims in Indonesia.

Indonesia has a surprisingly secular legal system, influenced by the Dutch, but there have been repeated attempts to change that. There are some areas,like Aceh, were the shariah is enforced.

Conversion away from Islam are formally legal in Indonesia, but can be a risky business in some parts. That is not the case in neighbouring Malaysia.

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Hello peterpin

The Cordoba cathedral, which had been a mosque at some time, is waqf property and the muslims are working to regain Andalusia and the Cathedral. They will mever give up. Andalusia was only freed from Islam because of outside military help. Once Islam gains control there is never any escape by political means or even rebellion from within. Escape can only come about through outside military aid.

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sum wrote:Hello abc123

Thanks for your comments but I would like to ask if the mob in Indonesia was muslim or non-muslim? Were there any repercussions by the muslims?
I deliberately did not mentioned which mob it was, there is no need to state as who did that. The point was about mosque destroyed.

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Hello abc123

Your quote -
I deliberately did not mentioned which mob it was, there is no need to state as who did that. The point was about mosque destroyed.

My main interest in the destruction of mosques is who did it - muslims of a different sect or non-muslims. I am not sure whether you know the religion of the mob but if you do would you please let me know?

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sum wrote:Hello abc123

Your quote -
I deliberately did not mentioned which mob it was, there is no need to state as who did that. The point was about mosque destroyed.

My main interest in the destruction of mosques is who did it - muslims of a different sect or non-muslims.

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That mob was non muslims. I think that's enough Sum, I am not a kind of flame blower person, never was.

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Hello abc123

Thanks for the extra info. Were there any repercussions from the muslim community?

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sum wrote:Hello abc123
Thanks for the extra info. Were there any repercussions from the muslim community?
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There was no repercussions according to the person who told us the story, he said they just moved the remaining community out somewhere else since they were just small community barely few hundreds. I thought that was the best way too. Maybe who knows when thing cool down they can return to their homes later.

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sum wrote:Hello abc123

Thanks for your comments but I would like to ask if the mob in Indonesia was muslim or non-muslim? Were there any repercussions by the muslims?

The Pakistan incident appears to be muslim on muslim rather than non-muslim on muslim.

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Any mob in Indonesia is muslim. And the acts of mobs are never with repercussions. With that said I would say probably not. Or Munkin tidok
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Jimi wrote:
sum wrote:Hello abc123

Thanks for your comments but I would like to ask if the mob in Indonesia was muslim or non-muslim? Were there any repercussions by the muslims?

The Pakistan incident appears to be muslim on muslim rather than non-muslim on muslim.

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Any mob in Indonesia is muslim. And the acts of mobs are never with repercussions. With that said I would say probably not. Or Munkin tidok
Or I mean the mob was most likely Muslims because the others are not strong enough. If Christains ring a bell before church the Muslims would kill. Christains cant riot in Indonesia. There have been some non religion labor riots. But when it comes to religion Muslims are like way stronger. It would be suicide for non Muslims to riot in indoneisa. The Muslims are real cowards.
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Unless there is more info on the mosque allegedly destroyed in Indonesia I think that we can only count on three mosques being destroyed or reclaimed by non-muslims -
Babri mosque in India
Mosque in northern China
Cordoba mosque in Spain.

Mosque destroyed by Muhammad who set the trend for destroying mosques of a different sect

Compare that with the number of churches, temples and synagogues being destroyed by muslims.

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After Hagia Sophia, Muslim Ruler Wonders, Why Not the Cordoba Cathedral?

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The ruler of Sharjah, among the lesser of the seven emirates that make up the UAE, has apparently been so impressed with Turkish President Erdogan’s turning Hagia Sophia from a museum into a mosque that he has “demanded” – not asked, but demanded – that the cathedral in Cordoba be turned again into a mosque.

The former Cordoba mosque has been a cathedral since 1236. That cathedral was built within the mosque’s outer walls, and made use of the mosque’s interior supporting columns, thereby avoiding damage to them. In his peremptory “demand,” the Sharjah ruler forgets, or likely does not know, that the mosque itself was built by Abd al-Rahman in 784 on top of a pre-existing Visigoth church, the Catholic Christian Basilica of Saint Vincent of Lérins, that originally stood on the site. In 784, Abd al-Rahman I ordered the conversion of the church into a mosque.

Surely that means we are entitled to go back, not only before the period of the Cathedral, but back, too, before the Great Mosque of Cordoba was built, to the Visigothic church that was the original structure. If there were to be any change to the status of the Cordoba cathedral, it should recognize that the first building on the site was not a mosque, but a church. Which means that the Christians, not the Muslims, have priority. It’s part of the argument that can be thrown back in the face of the Sharjah ruler Sultan Al Qasimi. But in any case, there is not the slightest chance that the Spanish government would accede to the demand that the cathedral be turned again into a mosque.

The Emirati leader said in an interview shared by Sharjah News: “At the very least, we demand the return of Cordoba Mosque, which was granted to the church, as this is a gift which doesn’t belong to those who don’t deserve it.”

The Cordoba Mosque was never “granted to the church”; it was not a “gift” from the Muslims, but was seized from the Muslim invaders who had settled in Spain, by Christian warriors during their 700-year-long Reconquista.

This contradicts statements made by other Emirati officials criticising Turkey for its decision to convert the Hagia Sophia to a mosque.

Of all the Muslim countries, the UAE has been the most critical of Turkey’s decision to make Hagia Sophia a mosque again. And in the UAE, it has been Noura Al Kaabi, the Minister of Culture and Youth, who has been most outspoken.
  • “Humanity’s cultural landmarks should be preserved for their value and function, and must ” neither be misused nor altered ” for personal purposes, said Noura Al Kaabi, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) Minister of Culture and Youth.

    For Al Kaabi, the decision of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to turn the Basilica of Saint Sophia, now a museum, into a mosque deeply “touches the human essence” because the Unesco heritage site has “exceptional international value” for “all peoples and cultures.”

    The UAE Minister for Culture attacked any change to its status, which showed a disregard for its historical and human value, and she noted that it served “as a bridge connecting different peoples and cementing their bonds”. Saint Sophia, she explained, “is a unique witness to the interaction between Asia and Europe across centuries. It is a symbol of dialogue.”
While Al-Kaabi’s words against the reversion of Hagia Sophia to its previous status as a mosque are welcome, they are not quite true. Hagia Sophia did not “serve as a bridge connecting different peoples and cementing their bonds,” but was a symbol of Muslim supremacy during the almost five centuries when it served as a mosque. Nor was it a symbol of “dialogue,” but a symbol, rather, of deep Muslim hostility to Christianity. The bells, altar, iconostasis, ambo and baptistery were removed, and relics destroyed. The mosaics depicting Jesus, his mother Mary, Christian saints, and angels were eventually destroyed or plastered over. Crucifixes were destroyed. Christians were prevented from visiting the mosque. None of this bespeaks the “dialogue” to which Al Kaabi so touchingly, but inaccurately, refers.

What Al-Kaabi might have said was this: “At different times in its history Hagia Sophia has been a church and a mosque. It then became – and should remain – a museum, for as a museum it is of exceptional value to Muslims and Christians alike, a unique witness to the interaction of peoples, and a symbol of what one hopes may become a real dialogue.”

Besides Al-Kaabi, there have been other Emirati officials who were critical of the reconversion of Hagia Sophia from a museum to a mosque.
  • Emirati academic Abdul Khaleq Abdullah criticised the Grand Mufti of Oman for blessing the Turkish move, calling Erdogan a “malicious Ottoman” on Twitter.

    Others have noted that “it has been a Catholic site since the Christian reconquest of the city in 1236, after which a cathedral was built inside the building.

    Regarded as one of the finest monuments of Moorish architecture, the mosque-cathedral was added to UNESCO’s World Heritage List in 1984.
The Cordoba Cathedral does not hide the Moorish origins of the building; almost nothing of the original mosque had been damaged in building the cathedral inside it, and those visiting the cathedral are made well aware not only of its history as a church, but also of the history of the mosque that preceded it, both by tour guides and pamphlets available onsite. Without a formal declaration of its status, the Cordoba Cathedral does double duty as both church and museum, and visiting Muslims should be pleased at the extensive attention now given to the building’s pre-cathedral status as a mosque.

That solicitous attention already being given onsite to the Cordoba Cathedral’s previous history as a mosque won’t satisfy the Sultan of Sharjah. But the rulers of Abu Dhabi and Dubai were displeased by Erdogan’s mosque move, which surely means that they would not support the Sharjah Sultan’s demand for the Cathedral in Cordoba to again become a mosque. And among the seven Emirates, Abu Dhabi and Dubai are the only ones that really count.
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The Cathedral of Cordoba, Spain Will Not Become a Mosque Again

The attempt to secularize the Cathedral of Cordoba, with the idea of possibly turning it into an inter-religious center under lay patronage, has finally failed. The new mayor of Cordoba, José Maria Bellido of the Popular Party (PP) has guaranteed it to Bishop Demetrio Fernandez.

This ancient church, built in 584 in honor of the martyr St. Vincent of Saragossa, had been transformed into a mosque during the Arab occupation, but was reconsecrated as a cathedral in 1236. Since that date, Catholic worship has been exclusively and uninterruptedly celebrated in it. But since its classification by UNESCO as a world heritage site, the cathedral has become the prize of a veritable war that has pitted several leftist movements against its presentation to the Church base on a 1946 law.

This law, passed under the government of General Francisco Franco, allows the Church, by simple declaration, to make its own this or that real property for which she has traditionally been responsible. A kind of anti-1905 law, which in France allowed the Republic to despoil the Church by taking for itself the property of all the religious buildings. It was in this way that the Cathedral of Cordoba, dedicated to Catholic worship since 1236, was declared a property of the Church in 2006 on the occasion of its inscription as a UNESCO World Heritage site—a membership no one had previously thought of challenging.

An Islamist-Leftist Campaign
But with the advent of leftist power in Andalusia with the election of a socialist mayor (PSOE), and then the alliance with the Podemos Party in 2014, a campaign was launched to secularize the cathedral. A petition collected 350,000 signatures, with the support of Muslims who demand access to this former mosque to practice their worship (see below for our previous articles on this topic).

Then, the European Deputies of the PSOE, Podemos, and the United Left (Izquierda Unida) asked the European Commission to decide on the legal ownership of the “mosque-cathedral,” as it is designated in the UNESCO documents.

Finally, a commission of four “experts,” elected ad hoc by the City Council of Cordoba, in September 2018 published a report guaranteeing that the cathedral of the Andalusian city is not the Church’s property and recommending the annulment of the 2006 presentation. The Commission notably recommended “obtaining the necessary parliamentary support” to carry out an “appeal on constitutional grounds before the Constitutional Court.” If this path was unsuccessful, the report suggested that the Mayor of Cordoba could file an “appeal to the ordinary courts.”

This anti-Catholic offensive is coming to an end—hopefully definitive—thanks to the election of a new mayor of Cordoba, a member of the Popular Party. The latter announced that the City Council of Cordoba will not reactivate the municipal commission that challenged the ownership of the cathedral. He further stated that there was no administrative procedure under way in this regard.

This episode shows the deep anti-Catholic hatred that continues to animate the movements of the Spanish left, ready, if necessary, to ally themselves with Islam to fight the Church.
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