Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
The Cat wrote:We find the most peculiar situation for Jesus is never defined by a human name in the whole Koran!
This curious situation can only underlines that Isa is Will over the manifest world... Allah's Yasha'a!
LOL, how funny, you dumb, so Jesus was never defined by a human name in Quran? Read these verses, you dumb:

Indeed, We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh and the prophets after him; and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq
and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Harun and Sulaiman and We have given Dawood the book of Pslams (4:163)
What's amazing here is that NONE of the proper names in 4.163 is from Hebrew, nor from Arabic! They're ALL from plain Syriac.

That goes on too about the names in 6.85-86, like: Zakarīyā, Yaĥya, Ilyāsa, Yasa`a, or again Yūnus:
Syriac, while Hebrew would be expected! Ibrahim should be written Abu Raheem in Arabic. It's not!

Even Musa is Syriac from Greek: Hebrew: Moshe; Greek: Mōusēs; Arabic: موسىٰ Mūsa!
More so the name of Ismael as written, has no Semitic root at all... it's all but Greek!

The case of Isa is even more perplexing, for Jesus is never referred to as Isa, except in the Koran.
In Arabic it should be written Yasoo (or Yasu as in the Arabic bibles), but it's not so: only Isa is...

Syriac Influence On The Style Of The Kur'an. By Alphonse Mingana, D.D.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/Minga ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So far as the names Ishmael, Israel and Isaac are concerned we may remark that their deviation from the Hebrew pronunciation is all the more remarkable because in them the author (or the editor of the Kur'an) is running counter to the genius of the Arabic and Hebrew languages to follow that of Syriac. It is well known that the letter of the 3rd pers. sing. of the aorist is both in Hebrew and Arabic a yodh....

So far as the word 'Isa (the name given to Jesus in the Kur'an) is concerned, it was apparently in use before Muhammad, and it does not seem probable that it was coined by him. A monastery in South Syria, near the territory of the Christian Ghassanid Arabs, bore in A.D. 571 the name 'Isaniyah, that is to say, "of the followers of Jesus," i.e. of the Christians.... which is of the end of the sixth, or at the latest of the beginning of the seventh century.
So the ONLY indication that we have about Isa is a fronton mentioning Isaniyah: the followers of Isa, which is meagre. Digging out
we find out that it comes directly from Hinduism, where it meant the spiritual dominion of God over the entire, unified, Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.san.beck.org/Upan3-Isha.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
--One seer, controller, sun, child of the creator,
--spread your light and gather your brilliance
--that I may see your loveliest form.
--Whatever is that Spirit, that also am I.
--May this life enter into the immortal breath!

There we can read some attributes of Isa: Seer, child of the creator, light, Spirit, Breath!

No doubt: the Koranic Isa is so defined! Or are we talking about... Issa, a Khasmiri saint?
Anyway, this saint Issa is yet a divine surname for some Yuz Asaph (ie. Yusuf the Healer).

Isa was unheard of as a human name in Arabia before the Koran... It's a title like al-Masih!
Perplexed Islamic 'scholars' came with the idea that is was so written to rhythm with Musa!

The Koran used his Hebrew name, Yeshua, to express Allah's will (Yashaa).
And the etymological concordance (both YS-h) is simply too overwhelming.

AhmedBahgat wrote:As I said to Dr Bum earlier, the subject in hand is settled by the Quran, that Jesus never had a father;
like Adam who never had a father, for both Allah said ‘be’ and they were.
Noops, AB. What 3.59 is saying is that Isa is ONE WITH Allah in Spirit as His Word (4.171), His Ruhullah and Kalimatullah! Yet created
as a person in the likeness of Adam. But unlike Adam (who have sinned and to whom angels bowed down), Isa was faultless and could
himself create life out of clay and raising from the dead (3.49; 5.110). Quite different from Adam, isn't it? Except from that dust thing...

So Isa was timelessly 'made' as: ''A revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained'' (19.21).

3.55: ... O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those
who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection.

Now, this ''causing thee to ascend UNTO ME'' is the equivalent of being melt into the godhead of Allah!
AhmedBahgat wrote:Here you have it, pussy, the Quran slam dunked you again
It's rather quite the opposite AB: The Koran acknowledges the divinity of the titled 'Isa' as Allah's yashaa (al-kalimah or Logos)!

22.40: Had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques,
wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him.

If the name of Allah was oft mentioned in cloisters, churches and oratories, certainly it was along that of Jesus... as His Father!
43:45 Ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent ?

And Allah protected them as well as His mosques! So where did Islam got so wrong?
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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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6:101 is just Muhammad not thinking things through thoroughly enough once again and forgetting about the attributes that his Allah hand puppet is supposed to have. He was terrible at philosophy and/or building philosophical constructs and never seemed to think the problem through deeply enough. That sort of thinking completely eluded him, and it lead to all sorts of logical errors that one picks up if they are educated enough and think it through enough. So while he appeared to be quite clever and crafty as a General, his logic and reasoning abilities were underdeveloped. Sometimes, almost childlike. And the problem is, once it was recited that way, he couldn't take it back after somebody showed him the clear, logical inconsistency. So it's quite plausible and explainable for mistakes such as this to remain in the Quran. It's not like he can come back later and correct his Allah hand puppet (unless one believes the satanic verses).
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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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Skenderbeg wrote:
The Cat wrote:@Skenderberg
Thanks. I'll work out something in Resource Center on this topic, by the following weeks. Check around.
Hey Cat...Thanks for the good work.. I'm enjoying reading your posts on this thread and all the other threads you started here, you put together some thoughtful threads and I'm sure many other people are enjoying reading your threads, now I hope the moderators well delete the stupid porn pictures AB posted in a weak attempt to derail your thread.
Hi again Skenderberg... Yep, the mods took care of these disgraceful depictions (thanks mods)...

Just a word now to say that the promised thread in Resource Center is now showing, although only the 1st part is yet completed...

The Koranic Isa
Study over the origin of the name & over the Koranic 'son of' (ie. Allah & Mary)
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8769" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The other three parts are in my files and I'll publish them after some polishing. I hope you'll like it.

Bye and thanks (again) for your good words...

Btw. Since comments aren't welcome over there, they could be done right here.
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