Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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peoshi wrote:
So why do you keep bringing this up if you "know" its not true? :???:

And regardless of what jesus did or did not do, muhammad still f*cked a nine-year old girl, and that is no "secret"!
Because you and others keep writing the highlighted part in above. I can change my views anytime. I can now say that the Bible's Jesus was not only a pedophile, (one who had pedophilia for young boys), but he was also a womanizer. Wasn't he maintained by women?

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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
peoshi wrote:
So why do you keep bringing this up if you "know" its not true? :???:

And regardless of what jesus did or did not do, muhammad still f*cked a nine-year old girl, and that is no "secret"!
Because you and others keep writing the highlighted part in above. I can change my views anytime. I can now say that the Bible's Jesus was not only a pedophile, (one who had pedophilia for young boys), but he was also a womanizer. Wasn't he maintained by women?
I don't care what you say about jesus.

Why would your views about jesus change because of what others say about muhammad ? :huh:

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Eagle wrote:
The Quran quotes Ibrahim in a Meccan verse thanking God for granting him Ismail and Isaac only and it is one of the earliest instances in the chronology of revelation where the sons of Ibrahim are mentionned, and there is absolutely no reference to Jacob
No, you are simply lying as it is your profession.

Surah 14 is not one of the earliest chapters of the Meccan period, it is actually quite late.

More, I already explained that the Qur'an forgets about Jacob's being an additional or second son when Ishmael is mentioned as Abraham's son. When we have Ishmael as Abraham's son, Jacob is missing; when we have Jacob's name, Ishmael is missing. This is not a coincidence.
Eagle wrote: This refutes your borrowing claim which is supposed to have happened in Medina and supports the fact that Jacob coming as a nafila/in addition means from Isaac -as all comentators logically agree- which is why Ismail is never mentionned in such verses where nafila is used.
I am not interested in what those commentators say and what you foolisly claim. I am analyzing the Qur'an verses. Nafila does not necessarily mean grandson. It simply means additional. The Qur'an means Allah gave Abraham as a son NOT ONLY Isaac, BUT ALSO Jacob.
Eagle wrote: The name of Jacob is there to show that not only Ibrahim was miraculously granted a progeny given his old age as reflected in his prayer 14:39, but also that his progeny will endure.
NO. In NONE of the Meccan chapters prior to Surah 14 is Ishmael mentioned as the son of Abraham. This is why up until Surah 14 it is impossible to know that Muhammad was aware of Ishmael's relation to Abraham. Even in Surah 19 Ishmael's name occurs totally isolated from the narrative about Abraham and his two sons (Isaac and Jacob!)
Eagle wrote: And in the cases where nafila is not used, ive shown that wahabna simply means we gave, not necessarly in the sense of sonship so this silences your arguñent that it means in addition to (not from) Isaac.
NO. Nafila is used only ONCE, and that is in Surah 21. However, Surah 21 does not relate Ishmael to Abraham although it mentions him! LOL

Wahabna can mean GIVE. All those verses say that Allah gave Abraham Isaac AND Jacob. This proves that in Muhammad's fantasies Allah gave Jacob to Abraham as a second son. Isaac was a SON given to Abraham. So was Jacob. The parallelisms in the Qur'an reveal the fallaciousness of your arguments.
Eagle wrote: Come on priest, what else do you want to learn
Who said that I needed to learn something from an ignorant Muslim troll? :prop:
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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:I have told you before that Yeshua is an Aramaic word. Yashua or Joshua is the Hebrew word, which means Salvation.
Salvation is Nejat in Arabic. Thus the Arabic YASHAA (verb) has nothing to do with Yeshua.
What a contrived logic, silly much like that of AB, defining a Hebrew root through some modern Arabic! :prop:

And you've been debunked on this time and time again:
viewtopic.php?p=135622#p135622" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahshua" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeshua and Joshua DO share the same root, the former being the post-exilic form of the later. They are originally not from Aramaic but from biblical Hebrew, which is 90% Phoenician, like its cousin Moabite. And the Phoenician root is that of the sungod YES or IES (I = the one; ES = light), the One Light. The same root is found in the Greek and Latin forms, IHS (for Bacchus), the Celtic Hesus, up to the English YES. So it was related to healing as in the Greek goddess Iaso. Way further back we can think of Horus as the Iusa (ever begotten son of Ptah).

No matter how you spin it, the biblical YS-h (Yeshua) is that of the Arabic YS-h (Yasha'a),
implicating that Allah's will must be related, as in John's opening (1.1), with the Logos...

Inch' Allah, wikipedia
In ڑāʾ Allāh is used for the execution of real actions (...); law šāʾ Allāh is used to express a wish or desire one cannot fulfill....
So Allah's yashaa does not translate a wish, but a will: the wish being that His will shall be realized, contrary to the negative Law Sa Allah:

Had Allah willed (Law Shā'a, negative), He could have made them one community,
but Allah bringeth whom He will
(Yashā'u, positive) into His mercy (42:8).

This is considerably strengthened by the fact that ISA wasn't even... a proper name
but an attribute pertaining to a spiritual dominion, as defined in the Isa Upanishads:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/isaintrod.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The word ''Isa'' means the Lord of the Universe. The Upanishads begins with the majestic
and triumphant declaration that the whole universe is inhabited by God and belongs to Him.
Isa Upanishad, verse VI:
He who sees all beings in the Self and the Self in all beings, he never turns away from it (the Self).
Matthew 22.39-40:
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Romans 13.8:
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Augustine, Retractions 1.13.3
That which is called the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist, from the beginnings of the human
race until Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christianity.


As I've said, the more I study the Koran the more I find it akin to Hinduism. Even Allah has a duplicate
in the Vedic Varuna! His relation with Isa best explained by the one existing between Varuna and Mitra!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varuna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He is mostly concerned with moral and societal affairs than being a deification of nature. Together with Mitra–originally 'agreement' (covenant) personified -being master of Rta, he is the supreme keeper of order and god of the law. Varuna and Mitra are the gods of the societal affairs including the oath....
And the Vedic Rta, like the Hindu Dharma, being reproduced in the Koranic Deen! And Allah/Isa is Varuna/Mitra!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_%28Vedic%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Varuna is lord of the cosmic rhythm of the celestial spheres, while Mitra brings forth the light at dawn, which was covered by Varuna.
On this kind of togetherness lies the relation between Allah and Rahman, the Koranic father of Jesus-Christ.

43.45: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent ?
Clearly the verse is stating that Rahman (Yeshua's father) is to be worshiped equally like Varuna/Mitra!

Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:Isa aka Jesus was not the WILL of Allah. The man was created by Allah. No seed was placed in Mary's womb. That was just Allah's Command
So what is it: Nobody was the father of Jesus... or: the man was created by Allah? :wacko:

We find the most peculiar situation for Jesus is never defined by a human name in the whole Koran!
This curious situation can only underlines that Isa is Will over the manifest world... Allah's Yasha'a!
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:1. Maseeh (Messiah) Isa son of Maryam was a messenger of Allah and His word given to Maryam and he was a spirit from Him. The word was the good news announced by the angels earlier....

2. The so-called "conceptual transposition" is silly, absurd and is not applicable. The highlighted words in your quote "His spirit (Ruhun Minhu)" do not mean "His spirit". Min means From. It means a spirit from God. If God had sent His Own Spirit or Himself into Maryam, that would have been the end of God.

3. Jesus was nothing more than a man. That is why Quran calls him as son of Mary. He was created without the seed of the bad House of Israel. It also means that the Seed of Israel was cut off and ceased to exist.
1. ''The word was the good news announced by the angels earlier''.
Now, since when do the angels create anything deprived as they are of any will of their own?
You're confusing the Annunciation with Conception. Are you worshiping some angels or Allah?

Kalimatullah and Ruhun Minhu mean that Yeshua is ONE (Hindu avatar) WITH GOD, as in Allah's yasha'a!

3.39: And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of
(a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, LORDLY, chaste, a prophet...


So the Word was timelessly present WITH Allah, until it became appearance (avatar) in the flesh...
Which makes the Decisive Word of an honored prophet, Isa, as per 69.40, 81.19, 86.13, 3.45, 4.171 !

2. ''That would have been the end of God''. This would make Allah even feebler than you... :D
It's really a transition of power so that Isa became able to give life to clay and raise the dead (3.49; 5.110).

Conceptual transposition (of 4.171):
Do not say 'three' (as in the Latin 'substancia') for the Messiah, born Isa son (abnu) of Mary, was an emissary of Allah: His Logos (Kalimatuhu),
conveyed into the flesh through Mary, yet FROM His spirit (Ruhun Minhu). So believe in Allah and His messengers (for the Word inspired them).

Only this 'appearance' of Isa (the Hindu concept of avatar) explains 4.157 and 3.59 perfectly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28Hinduism%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Refers to a deliberate descent of a deity (an incarnation of a deva (god) from heaven to earth), or a descent of the Supreme Being (...) and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation".... the concept of avatar corresponds more closely to the view of Docetism in Christian theology, as different from the idea of God 'in the flesh' in mainstream Christology.
In other words: Jesus is, by being, the incarnated message of Allah, a Mercy and a Revelation unto mankind (19.21).
As His Kalimatullah, His Ruhullah and His Will (Yasha' Allah), Yeshua/Isa is the verb ''BE'' and that's it (2.116-117, etc).


3. ''The seed of Israel was cut off and ceased to exist''.
So Mary was from E.T. I guess, and the 'abna Maryam' were all from Sirius. Thanks for the laugh! :roflmao:

Yet, according to yourself:
''The man was created by Allah. No seed was placed in Mary's womb...''

So, who's the one spinning out his mind here? :stretcher:
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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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The Cat wrote:What a contrived logic, silly much like that of AB, defining a Hebrew root through some modern Arabic! :prop:
:lotpot:

What has happened to you?
Spoiler! :
And you've been debunked on this time and time again:
viewtopic.php?p=135622#p135622" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahshua" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeshua and Joshua DO share the same root, the former being the post-exilic form of the later. They are originally not from Aramaic but from biblical Hebrew, which is 90% Phoenician, like its cousin Moabite. And the Phoenician root is that of the sungod YES or IES (I = the one; ES = light), the One Light. The same root is found in the Greek and Latin forms, IHS (for Bacchus), the Celtic Hesus, up to the English YES. So it was related to healing as in the Greek goddess Iaso. Way further back we can think of Horus as the Iusa (ever begotten son of Ptah).

No matter how you spin it, the biblical YS-h (Yeshua) is that of the Arabic YS-h (Yasha'a),
implicating that Allah's will must be related, as in John's opening (1.1), with the Logos...

Inch' Allah, wikipedia
In ڑāʾ Allāh is used for the execution of real actions (...); law šāʾ Allāh is used to express a wish or desire one cannot fulfill....
So Allah's yashaa does not translate a wish, but a will: the wish being that His will shall be realized, contrary to the negative Law Sa Allah:

Had Allah willed (Law Shā'a, negative), He could have made them one community,
but Allah bringeth whom He will
(Yashā'u, positive) into His mercy (42:8).

This is considerably strengthened by the fact that ISA wasn't even... a proper name
but an attribute pertaining to a spiritual dominion, as defined in the Isa Upanishads:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/isaintrod.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The word ''Isa'' means the Lord of the Universe. The Upanishads begins with the majestic
and triumphant declaration that the whole universe is inhabited by God and belongs to Him.
Isa Upanishad, verse VI:
He who sees all beings in the Self and the Self in all beings, he never turns away from it (the Self).
Matthew 22.39-40:
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Romans 13.8:
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Augustine, Retractions 1.13.3
That which is called the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist, from the beginnings of the human
race until Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christianity.


As I've said, the more I study the Koran the more I find it akin to Hinduism. Even Allah has a duplicate
in the Vedic Varuna! His relation with Isa best explained by the one existing between Varuna and Mitra!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varuna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He is mostly concerned with moral and societal affairs than being a deification of nature. Together with Mitra–originally 'agreement' (covenant) personified -being master of Rta, he is the supreme keeper of order and god of the law. Varuna and Mitra are the gods of the societal affairs including the oath....
And the Vedic Rta, like the Hindu Dharma, being reproduced in the Koranic Deen! And Allah/Isa is Varuna/Mitra!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_%28Vedic%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Varuna is lord of the cosmic rhythm of the celestial spheres, while Mitra brings forth the light at dawn, which was covered by Varuna.
On this kind of togetherness lies the relation between Allah and Rahman, the Koranic father of Jesus-Christ.

43.45: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent ?
Clearly the verse is stating that Rahman (Yeshua's father) is to be worshiped equally like Varuna/Mitra!

Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:Isa aka Jesus was not the WILL of Allah. The man was created by Allah. No seed was placed in Mary's womb. That was just Allah's Command
So what is it: Nobody was the father of Jesus... or: the man was created by Allah? :wacko:

We find the most peculiar situation for Jesus is never defined by a human name in the whole Koran!
This curious situation can only underlines that Isa is Will over the manifest world... Allah's Yasha'a!
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:1. Maseeh (Messiah) Isa son of Maryam was a messenger of Allah and His word given to Maryam and he was a spirit from Him. The word was the good news announced by the angels earlier....

2. The so-called "conceptual transposition" is silly, absurd and is not applicable. The highlighted words in your quote "His spirit (Ruhun Minhu)" do not mean "His spirit". Min means From. It means a spirit from God. If God had sent His Own Spirit or Himself into Maryam, that would have been the end of God.

3. Jesus was nothing more than a man. That is why Quran calls him as son of Mary. He was created without the seed of the bad House of Israel. It also means that the Seed of Israel was cut off and ceased to exist.
1. ''The word was the good news announced by the angels earlier''.
Now, since when do the angels create anything deprived as they are of any will of their own?
You're confusing the Annunciation with Conception. Are you worshiping some angels or Allah?

Kalimatullah and Ruhun Minhu mean that Yeshua is ONE (Hindu avatar) WITH GOD, as in Allah's yasha'a!

3.39: And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of
(a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, LORDLY, chaste, a prophet...

---So the Word was timelessly present WITH Allah, until it became appearance (avatar) in the flesh...

2. ''That would have been the end of God''. That would make Allah even feebler than you... :D
It's really a transition of power so that Isa became able to give life to clay and raise the dead (3.49; 5.110).

Conceptual transposition (of 4.171):
Do not say 'three' (as in the Latin 'substancia') for the Messiah, born Isa son (abnu) of Mary, was an emissary of Allah: His Logos (Kalimatuhu),
conveyed into the flesh through Mary, yet FROM His spirit (Ruhun Minhu). So believe in Allah and His messengers (for the Word inspired them).

Only this 'appearance' of Isa (the Hindu concept of avatar) explains 4.157 and 3.59 perfectly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28Hinduism%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Refers to a deliberate descent of a deity (an incarnation of a deva (god) from heaven to earth), or a descent of the Supreme Being (...) and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation".... the concept of avatar corresponds more closely to the view of Docetism in Christian theology, as different from the idea of God 'in the flesh' in mainstream Christology.
In other words: Jesus is, by being, the incarnated message of Allah, a Mercy and a Revelation unto mankind (19.21).
As His Kalimatullah, His Ruhullah and His Will (Yasha' Allah), Yeshua/Isa is the verb ''BE'' and that's it (2.116-117, etc).

We find that, in the Koran, the person of Jesus is never named but by attributes: Isa and Yasha'a ![/quote]
The Cat wrote:3. ''The seed of Israel was cut off and ceased to exist''.

So Mary was from E.T. I guess, and abna Maryam' were all from Sirius. Thanks for the laugh! :roflmao:
Mary was from the seed of Israel but Jesus was not the seed of Israel. See the difference?
The Cat wrote:Yet, according to yourself:
''The man was created by Allah. No seed was placed in Mary's womb...''

So, who's the one spinning out his mind here? :stretcher:
It is still you. :lol:

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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
The Cat wrote:So, who's the one spinning out his mind here?
It is still you.
Let us see...
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote: Keep in mind that Nafakhana Fihi (of Fiha) min Ruhina means that Jebril who is also the Ruh from Allah, was the one who blew into her or into him, i.e. min ruhina also means from the ruh (Jebril) of Allah
Brother, salam to you and you are right. Yes, I will. It is a great point, which the stupid Kafirs and dumb non-Muslims will not be able to comprehend. Thanks very much for bringing it up.
So, who's the Koranic father of Isa now?
1. Nobody.
2. Allah.
3. Gabriel.
4. The angels.
5. A Quadrity?

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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AhmedBahgat

It's hard to believe you're a translator of the Quran and acting like a child trolling the thread with garbage.

Cat is writing some great posts and you are trying to ruin the thread, lets hope the moderators will delete all the filthy posts of yours on this thread and let people who have something to say post without you trolling with your garbage.

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Skenderbeg wrote:AhmedBahgat

It's hard to believe you're a translator of the Quran and acting like a child trolling the thread with garbage.

Cat is writing some great posts and you are trying to ruin the thread, lets hope the moderators will delete all the filthy posts of yours on this thread and let people who have something to say post without you trolling with your garbage.
Beg Saheb, our Chutia (Stupid) friend Centaur should not have started at all in the first place.

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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
Skenderbeg wrote:AhmedBahgat
It's hard to believe you're a translator of the Quran and acting like a child trolling the thread with garbage.

Cat is writing some great posts and you are trying to ruin the thread, lets hope the moderators will delete all the filthy posts of yours on this thread and let people who have something to say post without you trolling with your garbage.
Beg Saheb, our Chutia (Stupid) friend Centaur should not have started at all in the first place.
I thought you and AB were Koraners-only! So you should have laughed at it, pointing out how it's from the hadiths you otherwise reject.

@Skenderberg
Thanks. I'll work out something in Resource Center on this topic, by the following weeks. Check around.
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piscohot wrote:
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
piscohot wrote:the guy who supposedly is the ONE to translate the MOST literal and ACCURATE quran todate, got a treasure trove of lewd pictures, pictures of a*ses and gay pics in his computer along with his glorious quran.

way to go, muslim
:lol:
I wish Centaur had not posted that silly pic. Now Christians are getting upset and feel insulted. They need to grow up. Thy guy is just having fun. You can join in too.
Gahl... you are as silly as Ahmed.

No one is getting upset nor feel insulted about the pics Ahmed put up, not even MBL who is the main character in the pics.
The reason is simple. Ahmed knows next to nothing about MBL. Heck, he doesn't even know if MBL is male or female. So putting up pics supposedly insulting MBL meant nothing to anyone, least of all to MBL.

On the other hand, the pics of Muhammad, while insulting to muslims, is something everyone can easily imagine happening. I mean, how can he have sex with Aisha if he did not have a hardon? Right? :D

Maybe Ahmed's just trying to derail this thread by posting pics simply because he ran out of answers.
No, you are just being silly. You don't even understand what I said. 2-3 Christians did feel insulted. I can see in that pic that Jesus's father from the Bible, has a massive hard on, when the Holy Spirit rushed in.

My friend MbL should not have posted the pic of that man's son. He should have posted some comic face. That would have been okay.

Anyway, I like that picture showing the Holy Family, where the mother and the child appear shocked and petrified, when they see the Father's massive hard on. :lol:

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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
No, you are just being silly. You don't even understand what I said. 2-3 Christians did feel insulted. I can see in that pic that Jesus's father from the Bible, has a massive hard on, when the Holy Spirit rushed in.

My friend MbL should not have posted the pic of that man's son. He should have posted some comic face. That would have been okay.

Anyway, I like that picture showing the Holy Family, where the mother and the child appear shocked and petrified, when they see the Father's massive hard on. :lol:
Why should Christians get offended by the fallacious comments of a mentally sick Islamic troll? :D

Above all, everyone here knows that the man in that picture is your pagan prophet, the jigolo of the desert. :prop:
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Exactly that pic is the real life Account Of a desert Pedophile and why should Christians or anyone else for that matter get offended seeing dirty imagination of Muslims
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The muslims are over a barrel in this thread and so to avoid making this too obvious have resorted to diversionary tactics. Let`s get back to the subject matter that has them struggling.

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sum wrote:The muslims are over a barrel in this thread and so to avoid making this too obvious have resorted to diversionary tactics. Let`s get back to the subject matter that has them struggling.

sum
The subject matter is simple Dr Bum

The Quran clearly said that Jesus never had a father, he only had a mother

The subject matter is done with, let's now concentrate on the other subject matter, that Bin Fagin is a clear cut fag and a self admitting paedophile

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The Cat wrote:
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
Skenderbeg wrote:AhmedBahgat
It's hard to believe you're a translator of the Quran and acting like a child trolling the thread with garbage.

Cat is writing some great posts and you are trying to ruin the thread, lets hope the moderators will delete all the filthy posts of yours on this thread and let people who have something to say post without you trolling with your garbage.
Beg Saheb, our Chutia (Stupid) friend Centaur should not have started at all in the first place.
I thought you and AB were Koraners-only! So you should have laughed at it, pointing out how it's from the hadiths you otherwise reject.

@Skenderberg
Thanks. I'll work out something in Resource Center on this topic, by the following weeks. Check around.
Hey Cat...Thanks for the good work..

I'm enjoying reading your posts on this thread and all the other threads you started here, you put together some thoughtful threads and I'm sure many other people are enjoying reading your threads, now I hope the moderators well delete the stupid porn pictures AB posted in a weak attempt to derail your thread.

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The Cat wrote:
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
Skenderbeg wrote:AhmedBahgat
It's hard to believe you're a translator of the Quran and acting like a child trolling the thread with garbage.

Cat is writing some great posts and you are trying to ruin the thread, lets hope the moderators will delete all the filthy posts of yours on this thread and let people who have something to say post without you trolling with your garbage.
Beg Saheb, our Chutia (Stupid) friend Centaur should not have started at all in the first place.
I thought you and AB were Koraners-only! So you should have laughed at it, pointing out how it's from the hadiths you otherwise reject.

@Skenderberg
Thanks. I'll work out something in Resource Center on this topic, by the following weeks. Check around.
Edit, double post, this site is acting crazy today.

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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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Salam all

This subject of who is the Quranic father of Jesus by inmate pussy cat proves nothing but the confusion and ignorance of the enemy of Islam. When inmate pussy was writing in favour of Quran, the filthy FFI kafirs attacked him, but when he writes rubbish against the Quran seeking discord, the filthy FFI kafirs like sharmooot and arse licker Skenderbeg cheer of him.

As I said to Dr Bum earlier, the subject in hand is settled by the Quran, that Jesus never had a father; like Adam who never had a father, for both Allah said ‘be’ and they were.

In the Quran, Allah always commanded us to be good and kind to both parents, as well seek forgiviness for them, see these verses:

وَقَضَىٰ رَبُّكَ أَلَّا تَعْبُدُوا إِلَّا إِيَّاهُ وَبِالْوَالِدَيْنِ إِحْسَانًا ۚ إِمَّا يَبْلُغَنَّ عِنْدَكَ الْكِبَرَ أَحَدُهُمَا أَوْ كِلَاهُمَا فَلَا تَقُلْ لَهُمَا أُفٍّ وَلَا تَنْهَرْهُمَا وَقُلْ لَهُمَا قَوْلًا كَرِيمًا (23)
And your Lord has decreed that you do not worship except Him, and (show) kindness to the parents, whether one or both of them reach old age with you, and say not to them, uff, and do not insult them, and say to them an honourable saying.
[Al Quran ; 17:23]

وَاخْفِضْ لَهُمَا جَنَاحَ الذُّلِّ مِنَ الرَّحْمَةِ وَقُلْ رَبِّ ارْحَمْهُمَا كَمَا رَبَّيَانِي صَغِيرًا (24)
And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say: My Lord! Have mercy upon them, as they raised me up (when I was ) young.
[Al Quran ; 17:24]

-> See And your Lord has decreed that you do not worship except Him, and (show) kindness to the parents, whether one or both of them reach old age with you, and say not to them, uff, and do not insult them, and say to them an honourable saying. And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say: My Lord! Have mercy upon them, as they raised me up (when I was ) young.


Now, it is logical that all the prophets abided by such command from Allah; for example here is prophet Ibrahim seeking forgiveness for both his parents:

رَبَّنَا اغْفِرْ لِي وَلِوَالِدَيَّ وَلِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ يَوْمَ يَقُومُ الْحِسَابُ (41)
Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents and the believers on the day when the reckoning is established.
[Al Quran ; 14:41]

-> See what Ibrahim used to say:: اغْفِرْ لِي وَلِوَالِدَيَّ , Forgive me and my parents

Here is prophet Nuh obeying the command of Allah of seeking forgiveness to both parents:

رَبِّ اغْفِرْ لِي وَلِوَالِدَيَّ وَلِمَنْ دَخَلَ بَيْتِيَ مُؤْمِنًا وَلِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَلَا تَزِدِ الظَّالِمِينَ إِلَّا تَبَارًا (28)
My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and whoever enters my house a believer and the believing men and the believing women; and do not increase the unjust except in destruction.
[Al Quran ; 71:28]

-> See what prophet Nuh used to say: اغْفِرْ لِي وَلِوَالِدَيَّ , Forgive me and my parents


Here is prophet Yahya obeying the command of Allah to be good to both parents:

وَبَرًّا بِوَالِدَيْهِ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ جَبَّارًا عَصِيًّا (14)
And dutiful to his parents, and he was not disobedient tyrant.
[Al Quran ; 19:14]

-> See how prophet Yahya used to be: وَبَرًّا بِوَالِدَيْهِ , And dutiful to his parents,

But when it comes to prophet Jesus, his father is never mentioned:

وَبَرًّا بِوَالِدَتِي وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِي جَبَّارًا شَقِيًّا (32)
And dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a disobedient tyrant;
[Al Quran ; 19:32]

-> See how prophet Jesus was: وَبَرًّا بِوَالِدَتِي , And dutiful to my mother

The Quranic fact that Jesus never had a father is confirmed in the Quran when we look at the following verses:

Here is prophet Solaiman appreciating the favours Allah bestowed over his parents:

فَتَبَسَّمَ ضَاحِكًا مِنْ قَوْلِهَا وَقَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِي أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيَّ وَعَلَىٰ وَالِدَيَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَالِحًا تَرْضَاهُ وَأَدْخِلْنِي بِرَحْمَتِكَ فِي عِبَادِكَ الصَّالِحِينَ (19)
So he (Solaiman) smiled laughing of its saying and said: My Lord! Enable me to thank Your grace which You bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to do a good deed of which You will be pleased and admit me by Your mercy with Your righteous servants.
[Al Quran ; 27:19]

-> See: أَوْزِعْنِي أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيَّ وَعَلَىٰ وَالِدَيَّ , Enable me to thank Your grace which You bestowed upon me and upon my parents

But when it comes to the favours of Allah upon Jesus parents, only his mother is mentioned, see:

إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَى وَالِدَتِكَ إِذْ أَيَّدتُّكَ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلاً وَإِذْ عَلَّمْتُكَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالإِنجِيلَ وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي فَتَنفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي وَتُبْرِىءُ الأَكْمَهَ وَالأَبْرَصَ بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوتَى بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ كَفَفْتُ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَنكَ إِذْ جِئْتَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ (110)
When Allah will say: O Isa son of Mariam! Remember My favour upon you and upon your mother, when I supported you with the holy spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught you the book and wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel. And when you created out of clay the like of a bird by My permission, then you blew into her and it became a bird by My permission. And you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission. And when I withheld the sons of Israel from (killing) you when you came to them with clear arguments, then those who have disbelieved among them said: Indeed, this is not but an obvious magic.
[Al Quran ; 5:110]

-> See: اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَى وَالِدَتِكَ , Remember My favour upon you and upon your mother,

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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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Ahmed chose to expose the ignorance of inmate pussy again:
pussy Cat wrote:We find the most peculiar situation for Jesus is never defined by a human name in the whole Koran!
This curious situation can only underlines that Isa is Will over the manifest world... Allah's Yasha'a!
LOL, how funny, you dumb, so Jesus was never defined by a human name in Quran? Read these verses, you dumb:

إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإْسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَعِيسَى وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَارُونَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا (163)
Indeed, We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh and the prophets after him; and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Harun and Sulaiman and We have given Dawood the book of Pslams.
[Al Quran ; 4:163]

وَزَكَرِيَّا وَيَحْيَى وَعِيسَى وَإِلْيَاسَ كُلٌّ مِّنَ الصَّالِحِينَ (85)
And Zakariyah and Yahya and Isa and Elias; all of them are among the righteous.
[Al Quran ; 6:85]

شَرَعَ لَكُمْ مِنَ الدِّينِ مَا وَصَّىٰ بِهِ نُوحًا وَالَّذِي أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ وَمَا وَصَّيْنَا بِهِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَمُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ ۖ أَنْ أَقِيمُوا الدِّينَ وَلَا تَتَفَرَّقُوا فِيهِ ۚ كَبُرَ عَلَى الْمُشْرِكِينَ مَا تَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَيْهِ ۚ اللَّهُ يَجْتَبِي إِلَيْهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي إِلَيْهِ مَنْ يُنِيبُ (13)
He has ordained for you of the religion what He enjoined upon Nuh and that which We have revealed to you and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim and Musa and Isa, to establish the religion and be not divided therein. Hard to the unbelievers is that to which you invite them; Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns (to Him).
[Al Quran ; 42:13]

وَلَمَّا جَاءَ عِيسَىٰ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالَ قَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَلِأُبَيِّنَ لَكُمْ بَعْضَ الَّذِي تَخْتَلِفُونَ فِيهِ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ (63)
And when Isa came with clear proofs, he said: I have certainly come to you with wisdom and to explain to you some of that about which you disagreed; so fear Allah and obey me.
[Al Quran ; 43:63]

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Re: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus?

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@ Brother AhmedBahgat

Brother, salam to you

I enjoyed reading your two great posts on this thread and you have written so well that even an ignorant fool would easily understand. Brother, are you a lecturer?

You educate all the bright and the dumb equally well with your precise and to-the-point posts, injecting humor all the time. Thanks very much for putting the thread back on the track.

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Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:@ Brother AhmedBahgat

Brother, salam to you

I enjoyed reading your two great posts on this thread and you have written so well that even an ignorant fool would easily understand. Brother, are you a lecturer?

You educate all the bright and the dumb equally well with your precise and to-the-point posts, injecting humor all the time. Thanks very much for putting the thread back on the track.
I am nominating this post for the JOKE of 2010! :roflmao:
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