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Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:00 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Salam all

Many horny people requested to continue Malik’s porn/sex show instead of talking about الطهارة , i.e. Purification. I guess, most people are fond of sex, so let me make their wish comes true, but this time I will do it differently, I will still talk about الطهارة , i.e. Purification directly, but indirectly I am talking sex. Let me politically correct that so people do not get me wrong. What I mean is this:

I will let Malik talks directly about الطهارة , i.e. Purification and indirectly about sex, sort of dirty sex too, so let the porn show resumes:

The hadith we are going to look at is under the same chapter that is titled: الطهارة , i.e. Purification, under a sub-chapter that is titled: و سئل مالك عن رجل له نسوة وجواري هل يطؤهن جميعا قبل , i.e. And Malik was asked about a man who has a few free and slave women, and he wants to fuk them all before……

I guess Malik meant, before having a bath in between, sort of Malik was asked if it is ok to fuk a few women one after the other and without having a bath in between.

Can you also see the Arabic word يطؤهن , Yato’hunna as seen in the sub chapter title which means: fuk them. Remember what I told you about the title of this man made hadith book, that it sounds like a porn book, it is called موطأ مالك , Muwata’a Malik, the Arabic verb يطأ , Yati’aa means To fuk, so to make from it اسم مكان i.e. to make a noun indicating a place from it, it becomes موطأ , Muwata’a, i.e. A place of fuking, i.e. a brothel. Let’s now look at this allegation which certainly has no relation to the prophet, as the one who was asked was Malik and not Muhammed:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =7&Rec=162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The above is alleged by no one but Malik, so he said about himself (funny indeed):

And Malik was asked about a man who has a few free and slave women, if it is ok to fuk them before having a bath (in between).

So Malik said: It is ok to fuk the slave woman before having a bath, but as for the free women, it is not ok that the man fuk the free woman in the day of the other slave woman, but if he fuks the slave woman after the free woman while he is not purified, then that is ok.

………………….


End of hadith

I did not translate the last paragraph because it is just totally something else useless and not related to the above, which I am going to pick on.

I am sure you noticed what I am going to pick on. Well how disgusting and how discriminating, discriminating between the slave woman and the free woman, by considering the slave woman as a piece of sh!t for which it is ok to fuk her while we are dirty. But as for the free woman, it is no no, i.e. we should always have a bath before we fuk a free woman.

Certainly the above makes absolutely no sense to any sane man, how about diseases transferred from the free woman to the slave woman? How about being fair between the two women?

Who made that woman slave from the first place? It is Allah of course, to test us and see how we will treat them in fairness and justice, not boldly discriminate against them, so what is the point to having those slaves?

Is it to care for them and provide to them a clean and prosper life or to abuse the sh!t out of them by forcing them into sex with men and women, and yet while not being clean?

It is like those slaves should never get a chance in life. How ridiculous.

The problem here for mister Malik, that Bukhari contradicted him big times through Maliks's son Anas, so let's have a look, shall we:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =0&Rec=451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by Anas Ibn Malik:

It simply alleges that the prophet used to sleep with all his wives in an hour of a day or an hour of a night without having a bath in between, one of those who heard the above crap wondered to how the prophet managed to do that, so he was answered that the prophet was given the sexual power of 30 men, the hadith ended by stating that it was not known if he did it with 9 or 11 wives one after the other

Hahahaha, so what is the story misters Malik, Anas Ibn Malik and Bukhari? I know what is the story, you are nothing but a bunch of confused souls promoting crap, contradictions and non sense, certainly most of the prophet wives were FREE WOMEN

What should assure all sincere Muslims reading this that indeed those hadith writers were only working for Iblis and we should never take or even consider the allegations they have recorded, the following undeniable fact, that Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, the good friend of Bukhari contradicted his hadith above, let’s have a look:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... 2750&doc=6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by a guy named Abi Rafi, so he said:

The prophet used to TAFA over all his wives in one day and he used to have a bath at each one’s house. So the prophet was asked: Can you make it one bath? The prophet replied: That is AZKA wa ATHAR wa ATYAB

End of hadith

See how the prophet replied when asked to make sleeping with multiple women ok witout having a bath on between, the prophet replied : هذا ‏ ‏أزكى ‏ ‏وأطهر وأطيب , i.e. That is purer, more purifying and better, i.e. what he did which having a bath in everyone’s house is certainly purer, more purifying and better.

So what is the story you bunch of confused hadith worshippers and writers:

Should we have a bath between sleeping with multiple wives on the same day?
Should we not have a bath between sleeping with multiple wives on the same day?
Are the slave women less humans in the eyes of Allah?
Did the prophet have a bath in between sleeping with his 11 or 9 wives on the same day?
Did the prophet not have a bath in between sleeping with his 11 or 9 wives on the same day?

I guess there should be only one decisive answer for all the above questions:

That these evil and man made books of hadith which are filled with contradictions, non sense and lies must be burnt. Even Ahmed Ibn hanbal alleged that it has been done as the prophet commanded:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/hier ... =6&n=10611" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by the always questionable Abu Hurairah, this is ironic, it is like Allah made him convict himself with his own hands, by making Ahmed Ibn Hanbal recording this hadith in which, Abu Hurairah said:

We were sitting down writing what we hear from the prophet, he came to us and said: What is that which you are writing. We said: it is what we hear from you, then he said: Another book with the Book of Allah?, we said: it is what we hear, he said: Write down the book of Allah, uphold the Book of Allah, what! Another book but the book of Allah?. Uphold the Book of Allah, Abu Hurairah said: So we collected what we wrote ALL TOGETHER and burnt it with fire, then we said: O Rasool Allah, can we talk about you?, he said: Yes you can talk about me and there should be no blame on you, and whoever lies about me deliberately, then his seat in hell will be secured. Then we said: Can we talk about the children of Israel? He said: Yes you can talk about the children of Israel and there should be no blame on you, and whatever you say about them but there is more to wonder about them.

End if hadith

See how the sahaba OBEYED the prophet when he commanded them to only write the Quran of the things he says: So we collected what we wrote ALL TOGETHER and burnt it with fire

Would the above be enough to convince اولو الالباب , Ulu Al-Albab, i.e. Those who possess minds (brains) from among the Muslims that these books were the main tool for Iblis to confuse most Muslims if not all? I say it is all in the hands of Allah, that is if most of them want to follow His straight path.

But before I go, I will leave you with yet another contradiction from these manmade books of crap hadith, it is almost impossible and even inconceivable to see Muslim men and Muslim women doing Wudu together in a mosque. Malik is telling us the contrary:

The hadith is under the same chapter that is titled: الطهارة , i.e. Purification, under a sub-chapter that is titled: قال يحيى قال مالك لا بأس به إلا أن يرى على فمها نجاسة , i.e. Yehya said that Malik said that it is ok unless he sees some dirt on her mouth

What a hell of sub-chapter title man, it is like setting up the scene for a steamy kiss, so it is ok unless there is some dirt on her mouth, actually I am just using the word dirt to translate Najasah, but the word means far more than dirt, to be honest it implies that the woman they are talking about just finished a blow up job, so her mouth is Nijis. Please don’t be angry with me, bloody oath, be angry with the owner of the brothel:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... c=7&Rec=40" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The above is alleged by Abdullah Ibn Omar, so he said:

Indeed, men and women during the time of the messenger used to do Wudu together.

End of hadith

What about the Najasah in her mouth mister Malik?

Funny indeed, imagine you are standing in a queue of men and women while watching other women exposing their arms and legs to wash them, but hey it is ok according to Malik unless you see the Najasah on the mouth of those women while standing in the queue (possibly at that situation you kick them out of the queue). But I bet that should be also perfect for many perverts.

Salam

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:31 am
by enceladus
AhmedBahgat wrote:

(snip)

That these evil and man made books of hadith .....
Ok, so the hadith are apparently "evil and man-made". No problem.

Now - Is there any proof that the Quran is not also "man-made" - just like the hadith?
Or - are we expected to believe that "the Quran is from Allah because the Quran says so"?
- enceladus

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:04 pm
by ThereIs1Adonai
Spoiler! :
AhmedBahgat wrote:Salam all

Many horny people requested to continue Malik’s porn/sex show instead of talking about الطهارة , i.e. Purification. I guess, most people are fond of sex, so let me make their wish comes true, but this time I will do it differently, I will still talk about الطهارة , i.e. Purification directly, but indirectly I am talking sex. Let me politically correct that so people do not get me wrong. What I mean is this:

I will let Malik talks directly about الطهارة , i.e. Purification and indirectly about sex, sort of dirty sex too, so let the porn show resumes:

The hadith we are going to look at is under the same chapter that is titled: الطهارة , i.e. Purification, under a sub-chapter that is titled: و سئل مالك عن رجل له نسوة وجواري هل يطؤهن جميعا قبل , i.e. And Malik was asked about a man who has a few free and slave women, and he wants to fuk them all before……

I guess Malik meant, before having a bath in between, sort of Malik was asked if it is ok to fuk a few women one after the other and without having a bath in between.

Can you also see the Arabic word يطؤهن , Yato’hunna as seen in the sub chapter title which means: fuk them. Remember what I told you about the title of this man made hadith book, that it sounds like a porn book, it is called موطأ مالك , Muwata’a Malik, the Arabic verb يطأ , Yati’aa means To fuk, so to make from it اسم مكان i.e. to make a noun indicating a place from it, it becomes موطأ , Muwata’a, i.e. A place of fuking, i.e. a brothel. Let’s now look at this allegation which certainly has no relation to the prophet, as the one who was asked was Malik and not Muhammed:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =7&Rec=162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The above is alleged by no one but Malik, so he said about himself (funny indeed):

And Malik was asked about a man who has a few free and slave women, if it is ok to fuk them before having a bath (in between).

So Malik said: It is ok to fuk the slave woman before having a bath, but as for the free women, it is not ok that the man fuk the free woman in the day of the other slave woman, but if he fuks the slave woman after the free woman while he is not purified, then that is ok.

………………….


End of hadith

I did not translate the last paragraph because it is just totally something else useless and not related to the above, which I am going to pick on.

I am sure you noticed what I am going to pick on. Well how disgusting and how discriminating, discriminating between the slave woman and the free woman, by considering the slave woman as a piece of sh!t for which it is ok to fuk her while we are dirty. But as for the free woman, it is no no, i.e. we should always have a bath before we fuk a free woman.

Certainly the above makes absolutely no sense to any sane man, how about diseases transferred from the free woman to the slave woman? How about being fair between the two women?

Who made that woman slave from the first place? It is Allah of course, to test us and see how we will treat them in fairness and justice, not boldly discriminate against them, so what is the point to having those slaves?

Is it to care for them and provide to them a clean and prosper life or to abuse the sh!t out of them by forcing them into sex with men and women, and yet while not being clean?

It is like those slaves should never get a chance in life. How ridiculous.

The problem here for mister Malik, that Bukhari contradicted him big times through Maliks's son Anas, so let's have a look, shall we:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =0&Rec=451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by Anas Ibn Malik:

It simply alleges that the prophet used to sleep with all his wives in an hour of a day or an hour of a night without having a bath in between, one of those who heard the above crap wondered to how the prophet managed to do that, so he was answered that the prophet was given the sexual power of 30 men, the hadith ended by stating that it was not known if he did it with 9 or 11 wives one after the other

Hahahaha, so what is the story misters Malik, Anas Ibn Malik and Bukhari? I know what is the story, you are nothing but a bunch of confused souls promoting crap, contradictions and non sense, certainly most of the prophet wives were FREE WOMEN

What should assure all sincere Muslims reading this that indeed those hadith writers were only working for Iblis and we should never take or even consider the allegations they have recorded, the following undeniable fact, that Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, the good friend of Bukhari contradicted his hadith above, let’s have a look:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... 2750&doc=6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by a guy named Abi Rafi, so he said:

The prophet used to TAFA over all his wives in one day and he used to have a bath at each one’s house. So the prophet was asked: Can you make it one bath? The prophet replied: That is AZKA wa ATHAR wa ATYAB

End of hadith

See how the prophet replied when asked to make sleeping with multiple women ok witout having a bath on between, the prophet replied : هذا ‏ ‏أزكى ‏ ‏وأطهر وأطيب , i.e. That is purer, more purifying and better, i.e. what he did which having a bath in everyone’s house is certainly purer, more purifying and better.

So what is the story you bunch of confused hadith worshippers and writers:

Should we have a bath between sleeping with multiple wives on the same day?
Should we not have a bath between sleeping with multiple wives on the same day?
Are the slave women less humans in the eyes of Allah?
Did the prophet have a bath in between sleeping with his 11 or 9 wives on the same day?
Did the prophet not have a bath in between sleeping with his 11 or 9 wives on the same day?

I guess there should be only one decisive answer for all the above questions:

That these evil and man made books of hadith which are filled with contradictions, non sense and lies must be burnt. Even Ahmed Ibn hanbal alleged that it has been done as the prophet commanded:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/hier ... =6&n=10611" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The hadith is alleged by the always questionable Abu Hurairah, this is ironic, it is like Allah made him convict himself with his own hands, by making Ahmed Ibn Hanbal recording this hadith in which, Abu Hurairah said:

We were sitting down writing what we hear from the prophet, he came to us and said: What is that which you are writing. We said: it is what we hear from you, then he said: Another book with the Book of Allah?, we said: it is what we hear, he said: Write down the book of Allah, uphold the Book of Allah, what! Another book but the book of Allah?. Uphold the Book of Allah, Abu Hurairah said: So we collected what we wrote ALL TOGETHER and burnt it with fire, then we said: O Rasool Allah, can we talk about you?, he said: Yes you can talk about me and there should be no blame on you, and whoever lies about me deliberately, then his seat in hell will be secured. Then we said: Can we talk about the children of Israel? He said: Yes you can talk about the children of Israel and there should be no blame on you, and whatever you say about them but there is more to wonder about them.

End if hadith

See how the sahaba OBEYED the prophet when he commanded them to only write the Quran of the things he says: So we collected what we wrote ALL TOGETHER and burnt it with fire

Would the above be enough to convince اولو الالباب , Ulu Al-Albab, i.e. Those who possess minds (brains) from among the Muslims that these books were the main tool for Iblis to confuse most Muslims if not all? I say it is all in the hands of Allah, that is if most of them want to follow His straight path.

But before I go, I will leave you with yet another contradiction from these manmade books of crap hadith, it is almost impossible and even inconceivable to see Muslim men and Muslim women doing Wudu together in a mosque. Malik is telling us the contrary:

The hadith is under the same chapter that is titled: الطهارة , i.e. Purification, under a sub-chapter that is titled: قال يحيى قال مالك لا بأس به إلا أن يرى على فمها نجاسة , i.e. Yehya said that Malik said that it is ok unless he sees some dirt on her mouth

What a hell of sub-chapter title man, it is like setting up the scene for a steamy kiss, so it is ok unless there is some dirt on her mouth, actually I am just using the word dirt to translate Najasah, but the word means far more than dirt, to be honest it implies that the woman they are talking about just finished a blow up job, so her mouth is Nijis. Please don’t be angry with me, bloody oath, be angry with the owner of the brothel:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... c=7&Rec=40" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image

The above is alleged by Abdullah Ibn Omar, so he said:

Indeed, men and women during the time of the messenger used to do Wudu together.

End of hadith

What about the Najasah in her mouth mister Malik?

Funny indeed, imagine you are standing in a queue of men and women while watching other women exposing their arms and legs to wash them, but hey it is ok according to Malik unless you see the Najasah on the mouth of those women while standing in the queue (possibly at that situation you kick them out of the queue). But I bet that should be also perfect for many perverts.

Salam
I agree with you AhmedBagitbeforeitgetsloose. Most people are fond of sex. That is rather stating the obvious. :roflmao:

What I do not understand, after reading this thread, is why adult men were breastfeeding anyway. Was it normal in the Arab/Bedouin cultures for this to take place? I know many cultures breastfed until natural weaning took place, but this was still in early childhood.... about 4 or 5 in ancient Israel. A little later for Native Americans, especially if food was scarce to feed the children. But I've not heard of any culture breastfeeding grown men and I find it vulgar.

For Allah to make so many rules about this and contradict them shows the demented, confused minds of Muhammad's followers. Aisha having men come in and have sex with her? I doubt it. After the rape of pedophile Muhammad before she was even a woman, she probably hated sex. What a depraved society Muhammad created.

Breastfeeding is for babies. It is not a sex issue. It is a natural form of nurturing and feeding one's offspring. Only a depraved, perverted god would even consider making a bunch of rules for breastfeeding adult men.

ONE QUESTION: What is YOUR obvious fascination with this topic that you spent so much time dwelling on it here? Methinks thou desires to breastfeed and can't figure out if it's okay or not. :heh:

Peace, Shalom

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:02 am
by iffo
no one is breast feeding adults in muslim countries either, other than one imam who probably likes women milk.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:25 am
by ThereIs1Adonai
iffo wrote:no one is breast feeding adults in muslim countries either, other than one imam who probably likes women milk.

:lol: Okay, so no one is doing it TODAY. But one is led to question what was going on in Muhammad's time given these hadiths. The whole thing is very absurd.

Peace, Shalom

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:10 am
by iffo
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:
iffo wrote:no one is breast feeding adults in muslim countries either, other than one imam who probably likes women milk.

:lol: Okay, so no one is doing it TODAY. But one is led to question what was going on in Muhammad's time given these hadiths. The whole thing is very absurd.

Peace, Shalom
Someone like women Milk most likely made up that Hadit. That's how the hadith business was going on then, what ever you like or dislike just name it with Muhammad.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:24 am
by ThereIs1Adonai
iffo wrote:
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:
iffo wrote:no one is breast feeding adults in muslim countries either, other than one imam who probably likes women milk.

:lol: Okay, so no one is doing it TODAY. But one is led to question what was going on in Muhammad's time given these hadiths. The whole thing is very absurd.

Peace, Shalom
Someone like women Milk most likely made up that Hadit. That's how the hadith business was going on then, what ever you like or dislike just name it with Muhammad.
If that is true, then Muslims have no idea what is their true history, what Muhammad actually said, or what they are to believe.

Peace, Shalom

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:53 am
by iffo
ThereIs1Adonai wrote: Someone like women Milk most likely made up that Hadit. That's how the hadith business was going on then, what ever you like or dislike just name it with Muhammad.
If that is true, then Muslims have no idea what is their true history, what Muhammad actually said, or what they are to believe.

Peace, Shalom[/quote]


That's quite unfortunate that because of this corruption and factory of bogus hadiths, its difficult to diffrentiate between authentic and bogus. That's why I am Quran only muslim. But atleast our book is not corrupted and are word of god through our prophet. But in your case your book is even written by every Tom, Dick and Jerry, wouldn't you agree.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:43 am
by yeezevee
iffo wrote: That's why I am Quran only muslim. But atleast our book is not corrupted and are word of god through our prophet.
Did you read Quran iffo?? I am not very certain about that.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:09 pm
by ThereIs1Adonai
iffo wrote:
ThereIs1Adonai wrote: Someone like women Milk most likely made up that Hadit. That's how the hadith business was going on then, what ever you like or dislike just name it with Muhammad.
If that is true, then Muslims have no idea what is their true history, what Muhammad actually said, or what they are to believe.

Peace, Shalom

That's quite unfortunate that because of this corruption and factory of bogus hadiths, its difficult to diffrentiate between authentic and bogus. That's why I am Quran only muslim. But atleast our book is not corrupted and are word of god through our prophet. But in your case your book is even written by every Tom, Dick and Jerry, wouldn't you agree.[/quote]


The fact that several people wrote various books of the Bible and describe miraculous events and teachings of God demonstrates the validity, as opposed to one man who alone claims to have seen Gabriel but preached a totally different message than what came before. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was really talking with Gabriel as opposed to a seizure, hallucination, mental illness or drugs being involved.

Those who witnessed Muhammad's words and actions wrote the hadiths. Without them, what do you have? One man claiming something with no proof whatsoever.

Peace, Shalom

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:14 am
by iffo
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:
The fact that several people wrote various books of the Bible and describe miraculous events and teachings of God demonstrates the validity, as opposed to one man who alone claims to have seen Gabriel but preached a totally different message than what came before. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was really talking with Gabriel as opposed to a seizure, hallucination, mental illness or drugs being involved.

Those who witnessed Muhammad's words and actions wrote the hadiths. Without them, what do you have? One man claiming something with no proof whatsoever.

Peace, Shalom
and the people wrote the books never even saw or met him or hear him once. isn't this amazing, its like our hadiths, bogus stuff.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:22 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:
The fact that several people wrote various books of the Bible and describe miraculous events and teachings of God demonstrates the validity, as opposed to one man who alone claims to have seen Gabriel but preached a totally different message than what came before. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was really talking with Gabriel as opposed to a seizure, hallucination, mental illness or drugs being involved.

Those who witnessed Muhammad's words and actions wrote the hadiths. Without them, what do you have? One man claiming something with no proof whatsoever.

Peace, Shalom
and the people wrote the books never even saw or met him or hear him once. isn't this amazing, its like our hadiths, bogus stuff.
So we are left with one man claiming something with no proof whatsoever, as he said.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:33 pm
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote:
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:
The fact that several people wrote various books of the Bible and describe miraculous events and teachings of God demonstrates the validity, as opposed to one man who alone claims to have seen Gabriel but preached a totally different message than what came before. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was really talking with Gabriel as opposed to a seizure, hallucination, mental illness or drugs being involved.

Those who witnessed Muhammad's words and actions wrote the hadiths. Without them, what do you have? One man claiming something with no proof whatsoever.

Peace, Shalom
and the people wrote the books never even saw or met him or hear him once. isn't this amazing, its like our hadiths, bogus stuff.
So we are left with one man claiming something with no proof whatsoever, as he said.
Is there any proof that will be enough? What proof there is that Jesus was son of god or god as some claim?

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:18 pm
by darth
iffo wrote: Is there any proof that will be enough? What proof there is that Jesus was son of god or god as some claim?
Does not matter if he was or not. There is nothing in his teachings which go against basic humanity or give allowance for murder or rape or any other nefarious activities. In fact, his teachings are about peace and love which make him a true prince of God.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:10 pm
by iffo
darth wrote:
iffo wrote: Is there any proof that will be enough? What proof there is that Jesus was son of god or god as some claim?
Does not matter if he was or not. There is nothing in his teachings which go against basic humanity or give allowance for murder or rape or any other nefarious activities. In fact, his teachings are about peace and love which make him a true prince of God.
That's not the point. If I start teaching peace and love does that make me son of god or god? again what is the proof that Jesus was son of god or god?

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:18 pm
by ThereIs1Adonai
iffo wrote:
darth wrote:
iffo wrote: Is there any proof that will be enough? What proof there is that Jesus was son of god or god as some claim?
Does not matter if he was or not. There is nothing in his teachings which go against basic humanity or give allowance for murder or rape or any other nefarious activities. In fact, his teachings are about peace and love which make him a true prince of God.
That's not the point. If I start teaching peace and love does that make me son of god or god? again what is the proof that Jesus was son of god or god?

His resurrection from the dead, which we celebrate this day. Since these boards are about Islam, if you would like to discuss it further, please send me a private message. I'd be happy to discuss with you why the resurrection of Jesus Christ is more than just a story.

Peace, Shalom

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:39 pm
by darth
iffo wrote: That's not the point. If I start teaching peace and love does that make me son of god or god? again what is the proof that Jesus was son of god or god?
If you were to teach peace-love-goodness, if you were to live peace-love-goodness, if you were able to instill in other people peace, love and a general goodness, that would make you a son of God.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:12 am
by iffo
darth wrote:
iffo wrote: That's not the point. If I start teaching peace and love does that make me son of god or god? again what is the proof that Jesus was son of god or god?
If you were to teach peace-love-goodness, if you were to live peace-love-goodness, if you were able to instill in other people peace, love and a general goodness, that would make you a son of God.
Well than call me son of god from today, because that's what I am all about. Respect me like you respect Jesus than.

@ThereIs1Adona
First he never died, secondly even if you say is true, does that make him god or son of god? It was god who made that possible, just like it was god who made Moses open the the water, that will make Moses god as well. Its a faulty logic and will not convince any one.

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:22 am
by sum
Hello iffo

Which do you prefer - the teachings and example of Jesus or the teachings and example of Muhammad?

sum

Re: Malik's Muwatt Hadith..

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:11 pm
by ThereIs1Adonai
iffo wrote:
darth wrote:
iffo wrote: That's not the point. If I start teaching peace and love does that make me son of god or god? again what is the proof that Jesus was son of god or god?
If you were to teach peace-love-goodness, if you were to live peace-love-goodness, if you were able to instill in other people peace, love and a general goodness, that would make you a son of God.
Well than call me son of god from today, because that's what I am all about. Respect me like you respect Jesus than.

@ThereIs1Adona
First he never died, secondly even if you say is true, does that make him god or son of god? It was god who made that possible, just like it was god who made Moses open the the water, that will make Moses god as well. Its a faulty logic and will not convince any one.
Iffo,

I said these boards are for discussion of Islam and if you want to discuss this to send me a private message. Apparently, Pakistan's schools have failed to teach you how to read.

Peace, Shalom