I quoted even G.f haddad. HE too says the same thing. Read my previous post.
No.. I read that post and more of that guy from Beirut,, Gibril F. Haddad who got his Ph.D. in Islamic studies from Columbia University and some Syrian University. Here is his stuff at http://www.haqq.com.au/~salam/haddad/index.html
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But how does that fellows Ph. D proves that early Islamic literature hadith is from Muhammad's mouth?? it does not.
What it does is to answer the Quran only claim that the hadiths didn't even exist until a couple of hundred years after Muhammad, so as to make them look as unreliable as possible. I'll bet you that a very good portion of them are actually well preserved eye witness accounts, and then, as always, there will always be some embellishments and inaccuracies as well, as this is what people do, whether intentionally or unintentionally. but you've got to remember, that chances are, these people did not fabricate these out of thin air because the punishment would be hell for doing so. And this is where the next story comes from about the Jews and false Muslims inventing these things. They need that concept because a Muslim would be too afraid to do that, so there has to be a conspiracy player, just like there had to be a conspiracy with the Bible, so that it can no longer be trusted and all trust immediately, in one fell swoop, after thousands of years and many books, goes to the Quran. Reminds me once again of the never explained problem that Allah protects the Quran, but didn't think to do that with past scriptures.
The Cat tries to say that the Quran does not level this charge of Bible corruption, but that's nonsense as it clearly does say they altered it and changed the words and their places and they know
what they do. That's a willful
, conspiracy. You can't trust just one verse from the Quran that might indicate his point, you have to look at others as well because the Quran changes it's mind all over the place, aka, abrogation, as the circumstances changed, as anybody would do. So when it suited Mo, the Bible was good and he is merely completing it and he acts as though you should recognize what he is saying from their own Bible, but when the Bible didn't suit Mo, that's where the verse about it being willfully and purposefully altered comes out.
He does this sort of stuff all over the place and people don't pick up on it when it's so easy to see. It amazes me. The reason why it's always this constant little "shell game" with Muslims here, where the rules keep getting altered and swapped in and out based on the current circumstances, rather than keeping the rules consistent regardless of the circumstances, is that this is actually the way the Quran is as well. I never truly realized it, but this is why they think they can just change the rules and then change them back as they need to and not see how horribly flawed, subjective and self serving their logic is. They can't see it because Muhammad couldn't see it either. Well, actually, that might not be entirely true as he did at least think he should acknowledge that clearly things are being abrogated, but he never offered any good explanation as to why except for the good old reliable "it's a test from Allah" excuse. The Quran tells them one prayer direction, and then changes it's mind and alters the direction and then says "um....uh....I did this because um....let's see, let's see.....I did this to test you. Yeah yeah, that's it. TO TEST YOU!!!
That is simply awful. It's like the reasoning of a 5th grader.