Going back to the question of that Lying Muhammad and his troubles with Quranic ayahs
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Shakir, your admitted favorite.
2:193. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah
8:39. And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
Yes, I think Shakir is the closest translation to the Arabic version we have., .. The Cat it is for you to make Muhammad bin Lyin understand those verses ., I have to go for now...lol..
I was expecting The Cat could answer Muhammad bin Lyin., but The robot comes out at viewtopic.php?p=130684#p130684
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; with Arabic/English gibberish along with some verses from Quran plus explanation/tafsir of those which lacks commonsense and intelligence. So the robot says this rubbish
1- For 2:193, I will walk you through from verse 2:190 to verse 2:194
let me put those verses here again
002.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
002.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
002.192: But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
002.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
002.194: The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
taking those verse the robot write
See: so whoever inflicts damage to you, then inflict damage to him in the same way he has inflicted damage to you.
From the above we can irrefutable conclude the following:
A- The fight is because of the House of Allah and its ownership and how the rituals of worshipping Allah should be performed around it, i.e. the religion of Islam.
B- The kafirs were the ones who started hostility by either causing discord between the Muslims or by starting to fight them.
C- The Muslims are commanded to only fight those who fight or cause discord between them on their land.
D- The Muslims are commanded to cease fighting if the unjust kafirs ceased fighting because of the religion of Allah (the religion they don’t believe in it from the first place)
E- The damage the Muslims should do to the unjust kafirs must be equal to the damage the unjust kafirs did to the Muslims.
This robot seem not to realize that NO ONE CAME TO Muhammad's HOUSE.,
Muhammad and his followers were the ones who went houses of other people that were questioning Muhammad's political agenda., The fact Muhammad's Islam and its followers went out of not only Mecca/Madina/Saudi desert but went with war mongering Bedouin tribal brutes in to the lands like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Peria with in 50 year of Islam and later all the way to end of Indian subcontinent in East Spain in the west tells us different story of Islamic onslaught . It is stupid Muslims at this age and time talks about some one persecuting Muhammad., If some one did it is Muhammad's own Qureshi tribe in fact his uncle and aunt apparently persecuted him. EVEN THAT IS A FISHY STORY..
But What is that has to do Muslim thugs after Muhammad's death going into Egypt.. or Syria or Spain and killing people my goofy friend AhmedBahgat??
That is the reason Islam should be called as Cult of Muhammad. And on top of it., What did these idiots who conquered all these lands did? they made it Ghettos and begging bowls out of them . So in the modern times you and me have to move out of so called Islamic hell holes my good friend.
So don't blame people who are questioning Islam., But find a proper way to educate Foolish Muslims. And I tell you your way is not right way.
with best regards