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Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:09 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Salam Muslim iffo, filthy Mushrik WB and all filthy kafirs in here

I finished my Grandmother of all slams (new name), which will be posted 6 PM AEST, about 11 hours from now, I have to go to work now and when I come back, I will try to decrease the amount of typos as much as I can, then post it. But there will be rules concerning replies:

1- WB will be dismissed after my reply. Unless he comes with new argument, I replied to his last two comments to me in my Grandmother of all slams.
2- All inmates' replies will be dismissed
3- Only short questions concerning parts of my Grand Slam by other kafirs and Muslims will be considered.
4- I still reserve my right to, ignore and/or dismiss any comment to me after my Grand Slam is posted.
5- Old rules apply, the name Allah must be written in full with a capital A, the name muhammed must be written in full

Talk to you soon inshaallah

Cheers

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:15 am
by Muhammad bin Lyin
AhmedBahgat wrote:Salam Muslim iffo, filthy Mushrik WB and all filthy kafirs in here

I finished my Grandmother of all slams (new name), which will be posted 6 PM AEST, about 11 hours from now,


Wow, you must be really constipated if it's going to take you 11 hours. :lol:


AhmedBahgat wrote: I have to go to work now and when I come back, I will try to decrease the amount of typos as much as I can, then post it. But there will be rules concerning replies:

1- WB will be dismissed after my reply. Unless he comes with new argument, I replied to his last two comments to me in my Grandmother of all slams.
2- All inmates' replies will be dismissed
3- Only short questions concerning parts of my Grand Slam by other kafirs and Muslims will be considered.
4- I still reserve my right to, ignore and/or dismiss any comment to me after my Grand Slam is posted.
5- Old rules apply, the name Allah must be written in full with a capital A, the name muhammed must be written in full

Talk to you soon inshaallah

Cheers


Check it out. The little child declares his own little tea party and then declares all of the rules. :lotpot:

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:18 am
by skynightblaze
The Cat wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:Ibn Abbas didnt learn from Muhammad alone . When Ibn Abbas grew up he used to consult the sahabas of muhammad

Another circular argument from the hadiths trying to justify their felony.
The fact that he had to consult many others is prove enough that he considered himself unreliable.


Oh really? I hope then you accept that when you learn events that happened before your birth from reliable books then it must be a sign that you are unreliable! :*)
What kind of logic is that?

The Cat wrote: He's shaking his own credibility! Bukhari hold reliable ANYONE who had only seen Muhammad for a minute, not questioning their motives as if they were all a priori unfailing saints and not the hypocrites described in 9.101:


Says a person in 21st century ! Ibn Abbas was considered reliable even by caliphs and there was a consensus and thats why Bukhari included him.The other day you posted an article from answering islam wherein they claim that Bukhari rejected some of the fellows .So its not that Bukhari chose any Tom, Dick and harry. IF that was the case then out of 300000 hadith why would only a few thousand hadiths make their way into Sahih hadiths? He would have included all the hadiths in that case.This post of yours show that you arent aware as to how bukhari collected the hadiths.

The Cat wrote:And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople
of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not.


Still taking for authentic the testimonies of Santa Claus aged kids (not only Ibn Abbas) pinpoint that Bukhari's criteria of so-called sahih hadiths & companions aren't trustable. We've got no first hand testimony, but through a one-to-one chain of narrators retelling -from memory-.


Your only post that has some valid content is the previous one. As far as trusting isnad is concerned I will look into it and reply according to it .

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:23 am
by skynightblaze
@CAT and Bahgat

A simple question debunks you both.. Both of you argue for a quran only muslim case. Lets for a minute assume that ALL THE HADITHS ARE COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE . Now we have some hadiths that confirm quran so if you claim that ALL THE hadiths are unreliable how in the world can anyone believe in this nonsense that quran is authentic but yet the hadiths confirming quran are unauthentic? .

Common sense tells us that If quran is authentic then hadiths confirming quran also must also be authentic so how can ALL the hadiths be unauthentic?

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:50 am
by yeezevee
skynightblaze wrote:Common sense tells us that If quran is authentic then hadiths confirming quran also must also be authentic so how can ALL the hadiths be unauthentic?

well Quran only Muslims will agree with that SKB., All hadith that are outside of that connection to Quran are the ones Quran only Muslims consider them to be unauthentic...

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:09 am
by skynightblaze
yeezevee wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:Common sense tells us that If quran is authentic then hadiths confirming quran also must also be authentic so how can ALL the hadiths be unauthentic?

well Quran only Muslims will agree with that SKB., All hadith that are outside of that connection to Quran are the ones Quran only Muslims consider them to be unauthentic...


Then they are forced to accept that Muhammad was a thief. The problem starts even if you accept hadiths that confirm quran.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:10 am
by yeezevee
skynightblaze wrote:Then they are forced to accept that Muhammad was a thief. The problem starts even if you accept hadiths that confirm quran.
well, then put those Quran verses and hadith that supports those verses on to the board and then write Muhammad was a thief.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:06 am
by WittyBoy
AhmedBahgat wrote:1- WB will be dismissed after my reply. Unless he comes with new argument, I replied to his last two comments to me in my Grandmother of all slams.



You didn't replied to this post at all
WittyBoy wrote:@ AhmedBahgat

I showed you that what the companions has done was out of their honesty, and i asked you to answer my original post i addressed to you, but it seems like you are disabled to answer it, like as you did with the legitimate marriage question. I'll summarize that post so that you may find it easier:

1-
Has the verse that mentioned two things to obey been obligated by other verses you brought to prove your claim?

2-
What does "the same cause and command" mean? Can i understand from this statement that you believe in hadiths which don't opposite Quran?? or don't believe on them at all?

3-
When you talked about how to pray, i asked you: So Quran doesn't contain everything??!!!

4- I showed you that "Whoever obeys the messenger, then he has certainly obeyed Allah" proves that there is an indirect obedience, and it can't mean "whoever follows Quran, he follows Quran"

5-
I told you that the Prophet(pbuh) forbade writing hadiths but he allowed it later, you refuted this point by a very wrong claim which is that Muslims haven't written hadiths even when Muawyah became a caliph,
WittyBoy wrote:Who said Muawyah was a caliph in this indecent? :*) Muawyah was one of the companions(from the revelation writers as well), he didn't appear suddenly only when he became a caliph.


6-
You claimed that the companions refrained themselves from narrating hadiths,
WittyBoy wrote:Yes, they were very careful in narrating hadiths, but it doesn't mean they didn't narrate hadiths at all.


and you didn't answer the following question:
WittyBoy wrote:@ Ahmed

if you find all points are still unanswerable, you can leave them all and answer the following question,

Allah said:
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone, no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [an-Nisaa : 23]

So, Is marriage from a woman and her mother's sister or father's sister at one and the same time, is lawful and legitimated too?


I don't need to get any new argument, you already didn't answer anything. I'll answer your claims only if you answered the above questions, or at least answered the last one.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:30 am
by WittyBoy
iffo wrote:I quoted the hadith, in which Ali is fuking the prisioner of war right after the war from the booty, like that girl was dying to have sex with Ali who was their enemy just few days back.


No, it's not like you want it to be, the booty has been collected, and divided, and then the Prophet(pbuh) sent Ali to get the khumus, i think he didn't take a plane from Mecca airport at this time, :*) so it was a long time before this incident happened.

iffo wrote:Who the fuke saying here Ali fuked the narrator Buraida?, see how shamelessly tricky and dishonest you are.

OK, i understood you wrongly, it's very simple.

iffo wrote:Who gives the rat's ass about how old the narrator Abu was,

The narrator Abu saaid al-Khudri talked about himself, and he said we were suffering from "al Izba" which means "Celibacy", so i don't need to read this hadith again because i know from it more than what you know.

iffo wrote:Is this the best you can do? I don't think you are capable of defending your hadith based pathatic Islam. You should get help from any scholar you want. But I challenge you I will make him run like a mouse with tale between his legs. And with you I have just started and look you are already exhausted and doing BS.
!!!!

iffo wrote:"would you like to practice circumcision with your family members?

If it won't be harmful and it will be useful for her, so why not? but if these two conditions weren't met, what will make me do that? it doesn't a matter for who understands Islam well, but if some people doesn't understand Islam, it's not the fault of Islam. Islam doesn't forbade which can be useful, but it orders you to do it properly or not to do it at all. That's better and logical.

iffo wrote:or have you done it what prophet said little cutting?

BTW, I'm Egyptian, and alllllll families practice it for hundreds of years, and we Egyptians used to apply it as Islam said. Recently it was forbidden, but it would be better if it was left to the doctor's decision, not to be completely forbidden.

iffo wrote:Would you care to explain the retarded statement. Looks like you have no answer to it.

I don't know who is the retarded here, let's see..

Abu Bakr b. 'Abd al-Rahman reported that when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married Umm Salama and he visited her, and when he intended to come out, she caught hold of his cloth. whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If you so desire, I can extend the time (of my stay) with you, but then I shall have to calculate the time (that I stay with you and shall have to spend the same time with other wives). For the virgin woman, (her husband has to stay with her) for a week, and for the woman previously married it is three days.

It's the first experience to the virgin woman, and it's something new to her, so the husband should stay with her a longer period so that she can be familiar with this new life, but the previously married woman, she already experienced that before, so she doesn't need the same period as who hasn't get married ever.

Note:
We can notice how the wives of the Prophet(pbuh) loved him.

iffo wrote:WittyBoy can I say officially that you ran away and surrendered. That's how your hadith based islam was, could not defend it, could you?

You are copying and pasting what's already being said for years, so there's no something surprises me or makes me run away. For example you copied the following statement as it is from another website:

iffo wrote:Women has discharges during wet dreams, that is why the son resembles the mother...(Sahih Bukhari, 1.3.132)


The original hadith:
Narrated Abu Salama: Um Salama said, "Um Salaim said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not refrain from saying the truth! Is it obligatory for a woman to take a bath after she gets nocturnal discharge?' He said, 'Yes, if she notices the water (i.e. discharge).' Um Salama covered her face and said, 'Does a woman get discharge?' Allah's Apostle said. 'Then why does a child resemble her?" [Al-Bukhari, 55:545]

What's meant by this last statement that women discharge a liquid as men do, that's why the child can resemble the mother too. It's very obvious and you have to laugh at yourself instead.

iffo wrote:Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." (Sahih Bukhari, 1.6.301)


No, i won't answer, the hadith illustrates itself, the prophet already defined what's meant by the deficient in women intelligence and religion, he(pbuh) didn't say they are stupid or disbelievers.

iffo wrote:Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: concerning the dream of the Prophet in Medina: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a. I interpreted that as (a symbol of) the epidemic of Medina being transferred to Mahai'a, namely, Al-Juhfa. (Sahih Bukhari)

why did you write "black woman" in bold??? he said a black woman with unkempt hair. BTW, The prophet(pbuh) when he adopted, he adopted a black slave, and who used to call for Muslims prayers was a black man too.

iffo wrote:Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: ... So I came (to my house) and Allah's Apostle too, came, proceeding before the people. When I came to my wife, she said, "May Allah do so-and-so to you." I said, "I have told the Prophet of what you said." Then she brought out to him (i.e. the Prophet) the dough, and he spat in it and invoked for Allah's Blessings in it. Then he proceeded towards our earthenware meat-pot and spat in it and invoked for Allah's Blessings in it. (Sahih al-Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 428)


Then he said (to my wife). Call a lady-baker to bake along with you and keep on taking out scoops from your earthenware meat-pot, and do not put it down from its fireplace." They were one-thousand (who took their meals), and by Allah they all ate, and when they left the food and went away, our earthenware pot was still bubbling (full of meat) as if it had not decreased, and our dough was still being baked as if nothing had been taken from it.

So you are talking about a Prophet not an ordinary man.


Note:
We can notice too that The Prophet(pbuh) used to work like any ordinary man, not act as a leader.

iffo wrote:You have only 2 choices. Either these hadits are false, or the prophet you always respected was a mental case. Choice is yours.

maybe you are stupid or even don't want to understand??

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:52 am
by yeezevee
"WittyBoy says to "AhmedBahgat" :
You didn't replied to this post at all

I showed you that what the companions has done was out of their honesty, and i asked you to answer my original post i addressed to you, but it seems like you are disabled to answer it, like as you did with the legitimate marriage question. I'll summarize that post so that you may find it easier:
Spoiler! :
1-
Has the verse that mentioned two things to obey been obligated by other verses you brought to prove your claim?

2-
What does "the same cause and command" mean? Can i understand from this statement that you believe in hadiths which don't opposite Quran?? or don't believe on them at all?

3-
When you talked about how to pray, i asked you: So Quran doesn't contain everything??!!!

4- I showed you that "Whoever obeys the messenger, then he has certainly obeyed Allah" proves that there is an indirect obedience, and it can't mean "whoever follows Quran, he follows Quran"

5-
I told you that the Prophet(pbuh) forbade writing hadiths but he allowed it later, you refuted this point by a very wrong claim which is that Muslims haven't written hadiths even when Muawyah became a caliph,

Who said Muawyah was a caliph in this indecent? :*) Muawyah was one of the companions(from the revelation writers as well), he didn't appear suddenly only when he became a caliph.

6-
You claimed that the companions refrained themselves from narrating hadiths,



and you didn't answer the following question:


WittyBoy @ Ahmed

if you find all points are still unanswerable, you can leave them all and answer the following question,

Spoiler! :
Allah said:
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone, no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [an-Nisaa : 23]

So, Is marriage from a woman and her mother's sister or father's sister at one and the same time, is lawful and legitimated too?
.

I don't need to get any new argument, you already didn't answer anything. I'll answer your claims only if you answered the above questions, or at least answered the last one


What is the problem dear WittyBoy ., you are acting like a lawyer in court room., Where as Muslim guys like AhmedBahgat cursing fellows like you in this life and looking for houries and raisins in Allah heavens after this life..


So Allah says..

Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
In both of them are two pairs of every fruit.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Reclining on beds, the inner coverings of which are of silk brocade; and the fruits of the two gardens shall be within reach.


Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
In them shall be those who restrained their eyes; before them neither man nor jinni shall have touched them.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


As though they were rubies and pearls.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Is the reward of goodness aught but goodness?
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


And besides these two are two (other) gardens:
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Both inclining to blackness.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


In both of them are two springs gushing forth.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
In both are fruits and palms and pomegranates.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


In them are goodly things, beautiful ones.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Pure ones confined to the pavilions.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


Man has not touched them before them nor jinni.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
: Reclining on green cushions and beautiful carpets.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Blessed be the name of your Lord, the Lord of Glory and Honor!


Hell fire for you you Mushrik...
You stupid lying piece of shirking trash
destroy al Mushrikoon for good
Idiot, no one will be able to harm me Allah is looking after me..
What a stupid confused and abused kid you are...inmate piss..
I am almost there..Just two pages and another 10 translations of Quran..
Grandmother of all slams Mushriks and Kaffirs
Inshaallah...


Glory..Glory ..Gory.. "Man has not touched them before.. neither jinns.. They are Virgins.. Houries with big eyes and swollen breasts., Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny my man witty boy?? AhmedBahgat likes are looking for those houries in allah heavens.. Do you want deny the bounties for AhmedBahgat likes by acting like a bum ?? You stupid lying piece of shirking trash..



Fuckkking Shitt ., Percy Bysshe Shelley written better sexy sonnets., I am sure before Allah, some Arab guy must have written better Arabic poems than what you see in that Surah AR-RAHMAN dear Witty_B..

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:05 pm
by AhmedBahgat
WittyBoy wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:1- WB will be dismissed after my reply. Unless he comes with new argument, I replied to his last two comments to me in my Grandmother of all slams.



You didn't replied to this post at all
WittyBoy wrote:@ AhmedBahgat

I showed you that what the companions has done was out of their honesty, and i asked you to answer my original post i addressed to you, but it seems like you are disabled to answer it, like as you did with the legitimate marriage question. I'll summarize that post so that you may find it easier:

1-
Has the verse that mentioned two things to obey been obligated by other verses you brought to prove your claim?

2-
What does "the same cause and command" mean? Can i understand from this statement that you believe in hadiths which don't opposite Quran?? or don't believe on them at all?

3-
When you talked about how to pray, i asked you: So Quran doesn't contain everything??!!!

4- I showed you that "Whoever obeys the messenger, then he has certainly obeyed Allah" proves that there is an indirect obedience, and it can't mean "whoever follows Quran, he follows Quran"

5-
I told you that the Prophet(pbuh) forbade writing hadiths but he allowed it later, you refuted this point by a very wrong claim which is that Muslims haven't written hadiths even when Muawyah became a caliph,
WittyBoy wrote:Who said Muawyah was a caliph in this indecent? :*) Muawyah was one of the companions(from the revelation writers as well), he didn't appear suddenly only when he became a caliph.


6-
You claimed that the companions refrained themselves from narrating hadiths,
WittyBoy wrote:Yes, they were very careful in narrating hadiths, but it doesn't mean they didn't narrate hadiths at all.


and you didn't answer the following question:
WittyBoy wrote:@ Ahmed

if you find all points are still unanswerable, you can leave them all and answer the following question,

Allah said:
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone, no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [an-Nisaa : 23]

So, Is marriage from a woman and her mother's sister or father's sister at one and the same time, is lawful and legitimated too?


I don't need to get any new argument, you already didn't answer anything. I'll answer your claims only if you answered the above questions, or at least answered the last one.



Do you not understand English?

I said MY GRAND SLAM for which I indicated that it would be posted later today

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:13 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
...................................We're all waiting with baited breath, Bag Beeotch. :lol: We can't wait until you take a dump on our screens. You must really, really really really be constipated. :lol:

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:41 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Restricting Shirk - تقييد الشرك

Salam all

Today is the day to demolish the shirk of Mushrik Muslim, WittyBoy (WB) and his pals from among the kafirs. If you are not following this lengthy discussion, then at least you should be aware of the following:

- Mushrik WB is passionately defending the Man Made rubbish books of hadith which he shirks with the book of Allah; what he is doing is not unique, all Mushrikoon before him and up to this moment did and do the same, they passionately defend their shirk.

- Mushrik WB replied to the hadith, from Abi Dawoud Man Made book about Muawiah deleting the written hadith after Zaid informed him that he is not allowed to write hadith, by telling us, Muawiah was not a Khalifah at the time. Mushrik WB knows well that if the hadith had told us that Muawiah was the Khalifah at the time, then his associates’ big lie about the prophet will be exposed and destroyed. Their lie is simply, the prophet later on in his life and before his death allowed writing the hadith, which should lead to Muawiah never deleting the Man Made hadith that he wrote in a book. Therefore he is using the vagueness in the hadith not to make a point for him, rather to disable a point against him for which he will have no answer. His tactics is acceptable by me though, if you don’t have an answer to an argument then try to disable or invalidate the argument. So I will give it to him this time and accept his argument which disabled my argument using that hadith about Muawiah.

Now, if I prove to WB from his own Man Made books by the Sunnis sect followers that most of the sahaba especially the close ones to the prophet refused to write the sunnah in books and deleted any written sunnah in their Man Made books during the prophet time and after the prophet’s death, then the argument of Al-Mushrikoon concerning allowing to write the hadith during the prophet later time of his life must be dead and invalid. At that point inshaallah, WB will have no option but to submit to his Lord by stopping his shirk then work hard with the sincere Muslims to save their great religion from the sinful hands of those Mushrikoon bound to hell.

This is what this comment all about, I will refer to and translate all hadith found in the first 17 pages of the following book:

Book name: تقييد العلم , i.e. Restricting Knowledge
By: الخطيب البغدادي , Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi

The book is divided in two main parts, the first part shows us all the hadith concerning the prophet and many of the sahaba refraining from writing hadith (sunnah), and if they already wrote it down, they had to delete it, or burn it, or Erased it in water.

You have to know that the author of this book is not against writing hadith, otherwise he would have not written his own book about hadith. The author of this book is another Mushrik who disobeyed the prophet boldly and documented the hadith in a book defying the prophet command. That is why the author dedicated the second part of his Man Made book showing the opposite, i.e. the prophet and the sahaba allowed writing the hadith (sunnah).

The interesting point is this, when you read the first part of the book which prohibits the writing of the hadith, you can sense merit and integrity in the told stories; in addition to that, you should also see clear compatibility with Quran. However, when you read the second part, you should sense the opposite, i.e. sensing non sense, manipulations and incompatibility with Quran, and even incompatibility with the first part of the same book by the same author.

Of course that Mushrik author concluded that the Man Made hadith should be written, otherwise he would have convicted himself and all his hadith worshipping pals in his own book.

Today, I am going to walk you through the first part; but in the second part, I will only show you the only evidence they presented from the Quran to support their allegation for writing the hadith. The reason of not replying to their evidences from their hadith supporting the writing of the hadith should be known by all who read my criticism, you all know that I don’t reply to evidences presented against me from their Man Made rubbish books of hadith, on the other hand, myself as a complete hadith rejector and denier has the luxury to use such crap against its worshippers from among the kafirs and their fellow Mushrik Muslims; the kafirs and Mushriks will never have such luxury against me, THEY CAN ONLY USE QURAN AGAINST ME.

The first 17 pages in this Man Made book takes us through the time of the prophet, then it moves to the time after his death (very early Muslims), then it moves to a later time after that, the time of the followers of the very early Muslims. So let’s get the ball rolling:

1- The hadith from the prophet prohibiting writing the hadith:

عن أبي سعيد الخدري، إن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: لا تكتبوا عني شيئاً سوى القرآن وقال الصغاني- غير القرآن - ثم اتفقنا- فمن كتب عني غير القرآن فليمحه
Abi Saeed Al-Khadri said that the prophet said: Do not write anything from me except Quran, and whoever wrote anything from me except Quran, he should Erased it.

The above compelling proof from their own Man Made book is directly from prophet Muhammed and is repeated in this book through different chain of narrators 8 times, i.e. Mutawatir hadith (popular and is circulated orally a lot between the sahaba). We have seen already that Ahmed Ibn Hanbal listed it in his Man Made book 5 times through 5 different chains of narrators.
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2- The hadith in which Abi Saeed Al-Khadri asked permission from the prophet to write the hadith but was refused:

عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال: استأذنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه أن يأذن لي أن أكتب الحديث فلم يأذن لي،
وقال البخاري فأبى أن يأذن لي.

Abi Saeed said: I asked permission from the prophet to write the hadith, but he did not allow me to do it.

And Bukhari said it: He refused to allow me to do it.
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The above hadith is repeated 3 times through different chains of narrators, in one of those three times, not only Abi Saeed who asked permission from the prophet to write hadith, but Abi Saeed and a few with him. This is how it was said:

عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال: استأذنا النبي صلى الله عليه في الكتاب فأبى أن يأذن لنا.
Abi Saeed said: We asked the prophet to write (hadith), but he refused to allow us to do it.

The above compelling proof from their own Man Made book is a prohibition from prophet Muhammed, it is repeated in this book through different chains of narrators 3 times. One of them was listed in Bukhari Man Made book as seen above: And Bukhari said it: He refused to allow me to do it.
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3- Abi Hurairah:

عن أبي هريرة قال: خرج علينا رسول الله صلى الله عليه ونحن نكتب الأحاديث فقال ما هذا الذي تكتبون? قلنا: أحاديث سمعناها منك قال: أكتاباً غير كتاب الله تريدون؛ ما أضل الأمم من قبلكم إلا ما اكتتبوا من الكتب مع كتاب الله
Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah entered upon us while we were writing hadith, so he said: what is that you are writing?

We said: The hadith we heard from you.

The prophet said: A book other than the book of Allah you want? What misguided the nations before you is not but what they wrote of books next to the book of Allah.


Then Abu Hurairah replied:

، قال أبو هريرة فجمعناها في صعيد واحد فألقيناها في النار
Abu Hurairah then said: So we collected it all together and threw it in the fire.

In another incident, it became known to the prophet that some people wrote his hadith:

عن أبي هريرة قال: بلغ رسول الله أن ناساً قد كتبوا حديثه، فصعد المنبر، فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ثم قال ما هذه الكتب التي بلغني أنكم قد كتبتم، إِنما أنا بشر. من كان عنده منها شيء فليأت به ؛ فجمعناها فأخرجت
Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah was informed that some people wrote his hadith, so he climbed into the stand then praised and thanked Allah and said:

What are these books that you have written? Indeed, I am only a human, whoever has of these books should bring it in.

So we collected it and destroyed it.


Can you see how the prophet told them: إِنما أنا بشر , i.e. I am only a human. Why you reckon he might have told them so? Well, it implies to me that for a religious scripture to be followed, it has to be from God, not from any humans.
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4- Zaid Ibn Thabit:

This is the hadith about which Mushrik WB might be confused or lying, the hadith context is direct in that Muawiah was in a position of power, nothing but a Khalifah, however because the hadith did not mention so, WB took it as a chance to not to get busted lying, so I am going to give it him, considering how desperate and confused he is, yet the lesson of deleting the hadith should not be overlooked, especially that later on we should read clearly that the sahaba refrained themselves from writing hadith, as well deleted any written hadith years and years after the prophet’s death, which should proves without an atom weight of doubt that the Mushrikoon are lying and or confused:

عن المطلب بن عبد الله بن حَنْطب قال: دخل زيد بن ثابت على معاوية، فسأله عن حديث، فأمر إنساناً يكتبه، فقال له زيد إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه أمرنا أن لا نكتب شيئاً من حديثه فمحاه.

Zaid Ibn Thabit entered upon Muawiah. Muawiah asked him about a hadith and commanded a man to write, so Zaid said to him: The messenger of Allah commanded us not to write anything from his hadith.

So Muawiah deleted it


In another hadith, Zaid Ibn Thabit said to Abdul Muttalib Ibn Hantab:

عن المطلب بن حنطب عن زيد بن ثابت أن النبي صلى الله عليه نهى أن يكتب حديثه.
The prophet prohibited that his hadith be written in books.

And that was how Zaid Ibn Thabit obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran.
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In the next section we should read some Mawqoof hadith, which means any hadith that is not linked to the prophet, just between the sahaba and themselves, this clearly means that the prophet was dead at that time, otherwise they would have consulted him so that he would have guided them to do the right thing.

We have read earlier that Abi Saeed Al-Khadri was prohibited directly by the prophet to write any hadith said by the prophet other than Quran. Some years later, some people asked Abi Saeed Al-Khadri to write the hadith for them, let’s see if Abi Saeed Al-Khadri obeyed the prophet or not:

5- Abi Saeed Al-Khadri:

عن أبي نضرة قال: قلنا لأبي سعيد لو كتبتم لنا، فإنا لا نحفظ قال لا نُكتبكم، ولا نجعلها مصاحف؛ كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه يحدثنا فنحفظ، فاحفظوا عنا كما كنا نحفظ عن نبيكم .
Abi Nadrah said: We asked Abi Saeed to write the hadith for us as we cannot memorise, so he said: No, we will not write it to you nor will we make it scriptures, the messenger of Allah used to tell us hadith and we memorised it, therefore you have to memorise it from us as we memorised it from your prophet.

See how Abi Saeed said: ولا نجعلها مصاحف , i.e. nor will we make it scriptures.
This confirms the previous point I made, that a written book to be followed must be a scripture from God, not from any human.

It is obvious Abi Saeed dealt directly with the prophet in an incident that mentioned earlier in which he asked permission from the prophet to write his hadith, but the prophet refused. Therefore Abi Saeed who was talking above about the dead prophet must have been obeying his commands.

In another incident the same guy Abi Nadrah informed Abi Saeed that they already wrote some hadith, so let’s see how Abi Saeed reacted:

عن أبي نضرة أنه قال: قلنا لأبي سعيد إنا اكتتبنا حديثاً من حديث رسول الله صلى الله عليه ، قال امحه .
Abi Nadrah said: We said to Abi Saeed that we have written some hadith from the hadith of the messenger of Allah, so he (Abi Saeed) said: Delete it.

And that was how Abi Saeed Al-Khadri obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran.
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6- Abdullah Ibn Masoud:

عن أبي الشعثاء المحاربي أن ابن مسعود كره كتاب العلم
Abi Al-Shaatha Al-Muharbi mentioned that Ibn Masoud despised writing hadith.

عن الشعبي عن عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن مسعود قال: كنا نسمع الشيء، فنكتبه، ففطن لنا عبد الله، فدعا أم ولده، ودعا بالكتاب وبإجانة من ماء، فغسله .
Shubi said that Abdul Rahaman Ibn Abdullah Ibn Masoud said: We used to hear the hadith and write it, but Abdullah Ibn Masoud knew, so he called us and brought what we wrote along with a bucket of water, then he washed it.

عن مسروق قال: حدث ابن مسعود بحديث فقال ابنه ليس كما حدثت قال وما علمك قال كتبته قال فهلم الصحيفة فجاء بها فمحاها.
Masrooq said: Ibn Masoud said a hadith, so his son said to him: It is not as you said it before.

So Ibn Masoud asked his son: And how did you know?

His son replied: Because I wrote it when you said it before.

So Ibn Masoud brought what his son wrote and washed it with water.


Obviously the hadith chain of narrators included the son of Abdullah Ibn Masoud, whose name is Abdul Rahaman. I suspect the kids have grown and it was in a later time after the prophet died.

And that was how Abdullah Ibn Masoud obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran.
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7- Abi Musa Al-Ashaari:

عن أبي بردة قال: كتبت عن أبي كتباً كثيرة فمحاها وقال خذ عنا كما أخذنا .
Abi Bardah said: I wrote many (hadith) books from my father (Abi Musa Al-Ashaari), but he deleted them and said: Take from us (through memorising) as we have taken (from the prophet).

عن أبي بردة قال: كان أبو موسى يحدثنا بأحاديث فنقوم أنا ومولى لي فنكتبها فحدثنا يوماً بأحاديث فقمنا لنكتبها فظن أنا نكتبها فقال: أتكتبان ما سمعتما مني? قالا نعم قال فجيئاني به فدعا بماء فغسله، وقال احفظوا كما حفظنا
Abi Bardah said: Abu Musa used to narrate hadith to us, so myself and a comrade of mine wrote it down; one day he suspected that we wrote it, so he said to us:

Did you write what you hear from me?

They replied: Yes

Abi Musa Al-Ashaari said: Bring them to me.

We did, then he washed it with water and said: Memorise (the hadith) as we memorised (it).


And that was how Abi Musa Al-Ashaari obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran.
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8- Abi Hurairah:

عن سعيد بن أبي الحسن قال: لم يكن من أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه أكثر من أبي هريرة حديثاً عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه، وإن مروان، زمن هو على المدينة، أراد أن يكتبه حديثه، فأبى، وقال أرووا كما روينا فلما أبى عليه، تغفله فأقعد له كاتباً لقناً ثقفا، ودعاه، فجعل أبو هريرة يحدثه، ويكتب الكاتب، حتى استفرغ حديثه أجمع؛ قال ثم قال مروان تعلم أنا قد كتبنا حديثك أجمع? قال وقد فعلتم? قال نعم قال فاقرأوه عليّ إذاً قال فقرأوه عليه فقال أبو هريرة أما إنكم قد حفظتم، وإن تطعني تمحه قال فمحاه.
Saeed Ibn Abi Al-Hasan said: There was no one from the companions of the prophet who narrated more hadith than Abi Hurairah.

And Marawan wanted to write the hadith narrated by Abi Hurairah but Abi Hurairah refused and said: Narrate hadith from us as we did.

So when Abi Hurairah denied Marawan to write his hadith, Marawan called a writer and made Abu Hurairah tell him hadith while the writer wrote it.

When Abu Hurairah finished his hadith, Marawan said to him: Did you know that we wrote all your hadith?

Abu Hurairah said: Did you do it?

Marawan said: Yes.

Abu Hurairah said: Then read it to me.

After Marawan read it to Abu Hurairah, Abu Hurairah said: It is either you memorise it or you obey me and delete it.

So Marawan deleted the written hadith.


عن أبي كثير قال سمعت أبا هريرة يقول لا يكتم ولا يكتب.
Abi Kathir said: I heard Aba Hurairah saying: I don’t conceal nor write (hadith).

And that was how Abu Hurairah obeyed the prophet in not writing anything the prophet said except Quran.

On the other hand it seems there is a huge contradiction in here; because in Bukhari Man Made book of hadith we read that Abu Hurairah concealed a great part of hadith, otherwise Omar Ibn Al-Khattab would have expelled him from the land, see:

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Abu Hurairah said: I memorized from the prophet two things (two groups of hadith), one that I have already spread, and if I had spread the other, my throat would have been severed.

Remember WB when I showed you earlier Omar Ibn Al-Khattab threatening Abu Hurairah to be expelled if he does not quit speaking hadith:

From the book: سير أعلام النبلاء, Sayar Aalaam Al-Nubalaa, i.e. The stories of noble ones

Author: شمس الدين أبو عبد الله محمد بن أحمد الذَهَبي , in brief: Shams Al-Zahabi

سَعِيْدُ بنُ عَبْدِ العَزِيْزِ: عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيْلَ بنِ عُبَيْدِ اللهِ، عَنِ السَّائِبِ بنِ يَزِيْدَ، سَمِعَ عُمَرَ يَقُوْلُ لأَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ:
لَتَتْرُكَنَّ الحَدِيْثَ عَنْ رَسُوْلِ اللهِ -صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ- أَوْ لأُلْحِقَنَّكَ بِأَرْضِ دَوْسٍ.
وَقَالَ لِكَعْبٍ: لَتَتْرُكَنَّ الحَدِيْثَ، أَوْ لأُلْحِقَنَّكَ بِأَرْضِ القِرَدَةِ. (2/601)


Sa’ib Bin Yazeed heard Omar Ibn Al-Khattab saying to Abi Hurairah:

You must stop speaking hadith or I will expel you to the land of Dous

And Omar Ibn Al-Khattab said to Kaab Al-Ahbar:

You must stop speaking hadith or I will expel you to the land of monkeys.
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What load of crap was that, so Abu Hurairah told us first:

I do not conceal nor write (hadith).[/b]

Yet we are told in Bukhari Man Made book that Abu Hurairah concealed a great part of hadith fearing for his safety or to be expelled to the land Dous in Yemen and for his pal, to the land of monkeys.

This actually means that we cannot guarantee the integrity of the things alleged to be said by Abu Hurairah, and all of it must be dismissed.
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9- Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

عن ابن طاوس عن أبيه قال: سأل ابن عباس رجلٌ من أهل نجران، فأعجب ابن عباس حسن مسألته، فقال الرجل اكتبه لي فقال ابن عباس إنا لا نكتب العلم .
Abi Tawoos said that his father said: Ibn Abbas was asked a question by a man from the people of Najran, then Ibn Abbas liked the good question of that man, so the man told Ibn Abbas: Write the answer for me.

So Ibn Abbas replied: Indeed, we do not write the knowledge (hadith).


عن طاوس قال: إن كان الجل يكتب إلى ابن عباس يسأله عن الأمر، فيقول للرجل الذي جاء: أخبر صاحبك أن الأمر كذا وكذا، فأنا لا نكتب في الصحف إلا في الرسائل والقرآن
Tawoos said: A man used to write to Ibn Abbas asking him about some issues, he sent to Ibn Abbas another man with his questions written, so Ibn Abbas said to the man who delivered the written questions: Inform him that the answers are so and so, as we do not write in books other than personal messages and Quran.
See how Ibn Abbas clearly identified the things they should write in books, the Quran and any personal message that is addressed to some individuals; this fact should destroy al-Mushrikoon lies that the prophet allowed writing hadith as he allowed writing the messages that he sent to Cesar and other rulers inviting them to Islam as alleged in the Man Made books of hadith. These messages were personal messages addressed to certain people, therefore as we read above by Ibn Abbas, writing such messages was allowed along with Quran, but never was writing the Man Made hadith allowed for the people to ponder upon

حدثنا طاوس قال: كنا عند ابن عباس قال، وكان سعيد بن جبير يكتب، قال فقيل لابن عباس إنهم يكتبون قال أيكتبون ثم قام، وكان حسن الخُلق، قال ولولا حسن خلقه، لغير بأشد من القيام،
Tawoos said: We were visiting Ibn Abbas who was saying hadith. A man named Saeed Ibn Jabir was writing what Ibn Abbas was saying. It was said to Ibn Abbas about those who were writing, so Ibn Abbas said:

Did they indeed write (my hadith)? Then he stood up and left because he was of a good character. Was he not of a good character, he would behaved by something that would have been more than standing and leaving.


And it seems that being of a good character with those Mushrikoon will take us no where other than more and more shirk, that is why I will not be of a good character with those filthy Mushrikoon, simply being of a good character did not work nor will it ever work. To confront those hardcore Mushrikoon and Iblis worshippers, I have to be as aggressive as I can than those filthy Mushrikoon so I can debate with merit and with their written references and beat them at their own game.

Lets continue on…

حدثنا حنظلة بن أبي سفيان قال: سمعت طاوساً يقول: لما عمي ابن عباس، جعل ناس من أهل العراق يسألونه ويكتبون. قال فجاء إنسان من أهله، فالتقم أذنه فلم يتكلم حتى قام.
Hanzalah Ibn Abi Suffian said: I heard Tawoos saying, when Ibn Abbas was blinded, the people used to ask him and write his answers, so a man from Ibn Abbas family came to him and informed him with those who were writing, so he stopped talking until he stood and left.

It seems that the filthy Mushrikoon who want to write Man Made crap in books to worship were shifty enough to take the opportunity of the blindness of their teacher Abdullah Ibn Abbas so they can write his hadith while he is not aware of it.

أخبرني الحسن بن مسلم عن سعيد بن جبير أن ابن عباس كان ينهي عن كتاب العلم، وأنه قال إنما أضل من قبلكم الكتب .
Al-Hasan Ibn Muslim said that Saeed Ibn Jabir said: Indeed, Ibn Abbas prohibited writing the knowledge (hadith), and he used to say: Indeed, what misguided the nations before you is only the books.

And that was how Abdullah Ibn Abbas obeyed the prophet in not writing anything the prophet said except Quran.
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How clear that most of those before the Muslims were misguided because of the Man Made books they created. In fact Allah tells us clearly that if we walk in the land we should know that most of the people before us were Mushrikoon, see:

قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانْظُرُوا كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلُ ۚ كَانَ أَكْثَرُهُمْ مُشْرِكِينَ (42)
Say: Walk in the land and see how the consequence was for those before you. Most of them were polytheists.
[Al Quran ; 30:42]

Certainly those alleged hadith telling us that the people before us were destroyed not because they committed sins while not shirking with Allah anything, because we know well that Allah may forgive all sins except Shirk, i.e. those people before us were not but Mushrikoon, that is why they have to be destroyed by Allah because of their unforgivable crime of shirk.

Another important fact that Muslims should be aware of, Allah never commanded us to write these Man Made books of hadith, nor His prophet, however Iblis on the other hand must have been commanding the Muslims to do the opposite which is to write these Man Made books so they fall prays to the unforgivable crime of shirk, the main objective of Iblis is simply, that Allah will never forgive us, and this can only happen if we listen to Iblis and obey him to write these Man Made books of hadith, see these verses:

فَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللَّهِ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ (98)
So when you read the Quran, seek refuge in Allah from the pelted devil.
[Al Quran ; 16:98]

إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ لَهُ سُلْطَانٌ عَلَى الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ يَتَوَكَّلُونَ (99)
Indeed, he has no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord.
[Al Quran ; 16:99]

إِنَّمَا سُلْطَانُهُ عَلَى الَّذِينَ يَتَوَلَّوْنَهُ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ بِهِ مُشْرِكُونَ (100)
His authority is only over those who take him as a guardian and those who are through him polytheists.
[Al Quran ; 16:100]

-> See how Allah started those 3 verses by telling us what to do when we read Quran, not when we read the Man Made books of rubbish hadith: when you read the Quran, seek refuge in Allah from the pelted devil. This pelted devil will have no power or authority over the ones who only rely upon Allah for everything including guidance, see: Indeed, he has no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord. Certainly not those who rely upon Man Made piles of contradicting rubbish of crap called hadith, as for those, they indeed worship Iblis by obeying him when he commanded them to write these Man Made of rubbish hadith, see: His authority is only over those who take him as a guardian and those who are through him polytheists. Indeed, through him they are Mushrikoon by obeying his commands which have to be the opposite to Allah’s commands. See this verse:

أَلَمْ أَعْهَدْ إِلَيْكُمْ يَا بَنِي آدَمَ أَنْ لَا تَعْبُدُوا الشَّيْطَانَ ۖ إِنَّهُ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ مُبِينٌ (60)
Did I not enjoin you, O sons of Adam, that you should not worship the devil, (for) indeed, he is for you an obvious enemy.
[Al Quran ; 36:60]

-> See how Allah is warning all the people from Adam that we should never worship the devil: Did I not enjoin you, O sons of Adam, that you should not worship the devil, the mater of fact remains intact, that those who obey Iblis whose commands should always be the opposite to Allah commands are nothing but worshippers of Iblis. Let’s move on to the next set of hadith from that book.
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Continue below…..

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:43 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Read above first ^^^^^

10- Abdullah Ibn Omar:

عن سعيد بن جبير قال: كتب إلي أهل الكوفة مسايل ألقي فيها ابن عمر، فلقيته، فسألته من الكتاب؛ ولو علم أن معي كتاباً، لكانت الفيصل فيما بيني وبينه
Saeed Ibn Jabir said: The people of Al-Kofah received written questions for which Ibn Omar answered, one day I met him and asked him from what I have written in the book I have (without telling him that I have it in a written book), as had he known that I have a book, it would have been the end between us.

Abdullah Ibn Omar suppose to be the one who narrated hadith more than Abu Hurairah, the reason for that as explained by Abu Hurairah was the fact that Abdullah was writing the hadith while Abu Hurairah did not write it, see this hadith from Sahih Bukhari Man Made book:

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Abu Hurairah said: No one of the companions of the prophet is narrating more hadith than me except Abudallah Ibn Omar, because he was writing it and I did not.

How funny, so Abdullah Ibn Omar would have gone nuts and severed his relation with Saeed Ibn Jabir if he had found out that Saeed wrote his hadith, yet Ibn Omar was writing his own hadith himself as documented by Bukhari and alleged by Abu Hurairah.

What is more revolting than the following is the following contradiction, Abu Hurairah just told us that Ibn Omar was # 1 hadith narrator, the one who narrated more hadith than even Abu Hurairah, yet we are told in Ibn Magih Man Made book that someone accompanied Ibn Omar for a year in which Ibn Omar never told a single hadith about the prophet, see:

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Al Shubi said: I have accompanied Ibn Omar for a year and I never heard him transferring any hadith that was said by the prophet.

But Abu Hurairah just alleged in Bukhari Man Made book that Ibn Omar was the # 1 hadith narrator who narrated more hadith than Abu Hurairah himself. Yeh, I get it, Ibn Omar was taking a year long holiday without pay. What you will find to be even funnier, but revolting at the same time, is the following contradiction:

We read earlier in point #8 that no one from the companions of the prophet narrated more hadith than Abu Hurairah, see:

Saeed Ibn Abi Al-Hasan said: There was no one from the companions of the prophet who narrated more hadith than Abi Hurairah.

Yet we have Abu Hurairah telling us in here that Abdullah Ibn Omar narrated more hadith than him.

What a load of non sense and contradictions man, these contradictions make me sick? Well, this is exactly what I am talking about, if you put all these Man Made books together and start cross referencing them, you most likely will end up very confused or you just drop the whole fukin thing in the toilet and then flush it.

With all these conflicting and contradicting accounts while al Mushrikoon insisting on upholding them, you should end up with numerous sects and ideologies, because you cannot accept them all, you have to accept some while rejecting the ones contradicting what you accepted. On the other hand we should also have those who accepted what was rejected by others and rejected what was accepted by them. As I said no group can accept all these alleged and conflicting accounts together, this should result in numerous sects, divisions and ideologies; even within the same sect, like the Sunni sect, they have 4 different Mazhabs (religious ways) based on Man Made books by 4 different humans, each Mazhab followers of those is rejoicing with their own Man Made crap while caring less about the others. Between the different sects though, the war between their followers is far more dangerous and hostile, like the war between the Sunni and Shia sects’ followers, they reached a level of hostility and hatred that they bomb and kill each other including women and children inside their mosques which are suppose to be places to only worship Allah. See these verses:

فَأَقِمْ وَجْهَكَ لِلدِّينِ حَنِيفًا ۚ فِطْرَتَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي فَطَرَ النَّاسَ عَلَيْهَا ۚ لَا تَبْدِيلَ لِخَلْقِ اللَّهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (30)
So set your face toward the religion, upright. The nature (made) by Allah upon which He has originated the people; there is no alteration of the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.
[Al Quran ; 30:30]

مُنِيبِينَ إِلَيْهِ وَاتَّقُوهُ وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَلَا تَكُونُوا مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ (31)
Turning to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and be not of the polytheists.
[Al Quran ; 30:31]

مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا ۖ كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ (32)
Of those who have divided their religion and became sects; every party is, with what they have, rejoicing.
[Al Quran ; 30:32]

-> See: So set your face toward the religion, upright. Turning to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and be not of the polytheists. Of those who have divided their religion and became sects; every party is, with what they have, rejoicing.

How compelling. A perfect description describing the confused and Mushrik Muslims who want to set their Nijis faces toward the Man Made crap books of conflicting and rubbish hadith in deviation from the straight path of Allah and in disobedience to the prophet command not to write anything he said except Quran. Let’s move on.
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11- Other followers:

حدثنا يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن عن أبيه، قال: حضرت عبيد الله بن عبد الله، دخل على عمر بن العزيز، فأجلس قوماً يكتبون ما يقول؛ فلما أراد أن يقوم، قال له عمر صنعنا شيئاً قال وما هو يا ابن عبد العزيز? قال كتبنا ما قلت قال وأين هو? قال: فجيء به وفخرِقَ
Yaqoub Ibn Abdul Rahman said that his father said: I was present when Ubaidaalah Ibn Abdullah entered upon Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz who made some people to sit down and write what Ubaidaalah said.

When Ubaidaalah wanted to leave, Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz told him: We have done something

Ubaidaalah replied: And what was that, O Ibn Abdul Aziz?

Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz replied: We have written what you said.

Ubaidaalah replied: And where is that?

And it was said that they brought to him what they wrote, and Ubaidaalah destroyed it.


Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz is considered by almost Muslims to be the fifth guided ruler who ruled years and years after the prophet’s death; you can see that the same expression we read in Muawiah hadith (the one WB disputed) is used here describing a man in power (Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz) upon whom some people entered. As well we read the same thing that Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz commanded a few people to write what Ubaidaalah Ibn Abdullah said of hadith, exactly as Muawiah did when he heard the hadith from Zaid Ibn Thabit. The difference between the two allegations though is that Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz admitted to Ubaidaalah that they wrote what he said of hadith, so Ubaidaalah asked him to bring it in, then it was destroyed. It is 100% that the above incident happened years and years after the prophet’s death. Therefore WB and his Mushrik pals are lying to us when they told us that the prophet allowed writing his hadith later on in his life.

عن محمد قال: قلت لعبيدة أكتب منك ما أسمع? قال لا قلت وجدت كتاباً أنظر فيه? قال لا .
A guy named Muhammed said: I said to Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah: Can write what I hear from you?

Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah replied: No

The guy named Muhammed said: But I see myself looking at a written book?

Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah replied: No


حدثني المنذر بن نافع قال: سمعت إدريس بن أبي إدريس يقول: قال لي أبي أتكتب شيئاً مما تسمع مني? فقلت نعم قال فأتني به قال فأتيته به فخرقه.
Al-Munzir Ibn Nafee said: I heard Idris Ibn Abi Idris saying: My father told me, do you write anything of what you hear from me?

Idris replied: Yes

Al-Munzir Ibn Nafee said: Bring it to me

Idris said: So I brought it t him, and he destroyed it.


العلاء بن زبر عن القاسم بن محمد أنه كره كتابة الحديث.
Al-Alaa Ibn Zubur said that Al-Qasim Ibn Muhammed said that indeed he despised writing hadith.

عن إبراهيم قال: كنت أكتب عند عبيدة فقال لا تخلدن عني كتاباً .
A guy named Ibrahim said: I was with Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah and was writing (his hadith), so Ubaidah said to me:

Do not make a written book from me eternal.


But we all know that al Mushrikoon from among the Muslims made the Man Made rubbish books of Bukhari and Muslim eternals.

حدثنا سفيان قال: قيل لعمرو: إن سفيان يكتب؛ فاضطجع وبكى وقال أحرج علي من يكتب عني قال سفيان: وما كتبت عنه شيئاً؛ كنا نحفظ .
Suffian said: It was said to Amr that Suffian was writing, so Amr sat down and cried the said: Bring to me those who wrote from me.

Then Suffian denied that he was writing and confirmed that they were only memorising (hadith).


حدثنا حماد عن حميدان بكر بن عبد الله بعث إلى أبي العالية أن يكتب له حديثاً. قال: فجاء أبو العالية، فقال مرحباً بك فقال لو كنت أكتب لأحد، لكتبته لك فحدثه حتى حفظه.
Hammad said: Humaidan Bakr Ibn Abdullah asked Abi Al-Aaliah to write for him a hadith.

Abu Al-Aaliah came to him, so Humaidan greeted him

Then Abu Al-Aaliah said to him: If I was writing hadith, I would have written it for you. Then he kept narrating to him until Humaidan memorised it.


This clearly means that Abu Al-Aaliah never write hadith from anyone in a book.

عن الضحاك قال: لا تتخذوا للحديث كراريس ككراريس المصاحف
Al-Dahhak said: Do not make for the hadith written books like the written books of the scriptures.

حدثنا حسن عن ليث أنه كره الكراريس
Hasan said that Layth despised the written books (of hadith).

عن إبراهيم قال: كانوا يكرهون الكتاب .
A guy named Ibrahim said that they were despising to write (hadith).

عن إبراهيم أنه كره أن تكتب الأحاديث في الكراريس.
A guy named Ibrahim said: Indeed he despised writing hadith in books.

حدثنا إسحاق بن إسماعيل الطالقاني قال: قلت لجرير يعني ابن عبد الحميد، كان منصور يكره كتاب الحديث? قال: نعم منصور ومغيرة والأعمش كانوا يكرهون كتاب الحديث.
Ishaq Ibn Ismael Al-Talqani said: I told Jarir Ibn Abuld Hamid, did Mansour despise writing hadith?

Jarir replied: Yes, Mansour and Mughairah and Al-Aamash were all despising writing hadith.


عن ابن عون عن محمد كان يكره الكتاب
Ibn Awin said that a guy named Muhammed used to despise writing (hadith).

ابن عون: لم يكتب أبو بكر ولا عمر
Ibn Awin said: Abu Bakr did not write (hadith) nor Omar Ibn Al-Khattab wrote (hadith).

Can you see that Abu Bakr and Omar never wrote hadith

And that was how all those early Muslims, of whom some were living during the time of Muhammed, and others who were born years after the prophet died, obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran.
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12- Explaining the reason of despising the writing of hadith:

خوف الانكباب على درس غير القرآن
The fear that the people will only study these books and leave the Quran behind.

The reason given by them above should be permanent (logically speaking), because if they worried that the early Muslims will indulge themselves in studying these Man Made books instead of Quran, then it has to be valid for the late Muslims too, it is not like fuk the late Muslims and let them indulge in studying these Man Made books of rubbish hadith and ignore the Quran. But as we should know by now, it is all part of Iblis plan to make most Muslims mushrikoon, and it certainly worked, most of the late Muslims starting from about 150 years after the prophet died till now do nothing but indulge their Mushrik arses in studying and promoting these Man Made rubbish of books while ignoring the Quran. Well, I have bad news for those Mushrikoon, the prophet will testify against them that they indeed ignored the Quran, see:

وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا (30)
And the messenger will say: My Lord! Indeed, my people have taken this Quran as an abandoned.
[Al Quran ; 25:30]

Wake up Mushrikoon and only follow what Allah sent down to you, following what you inherited from your sinful parents and grand parents will take you no where but closer to a pit in hell; see these verses:

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمُ اتَّبِعُوا مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ قَالُواْ بَلْ نَتَّبِعُ مَا أَلْفَيْنَا عَلَيْهِ آبَاءنَا أَوَلَوْ كَانَ آبَاؤُهُمْ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ شَيْئاً وَلاَ يَهْتَدُونَ (170)
And when it is said to them: Follow what Allah has sent down, they say: Rather, we should follow that to which we are accustomed by our fathers. Even though their fathers do not understand a thing nor do they follow the guidance.
[Al Quran ; 2:170]

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمُ اتَّبِعُوا مَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ قَالُوا بَلْ نَتَّبِعُ مَا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهِ آبَاءَنَا ۚ أَوَلَوْ كَانَ الشَّيْطَانُ يَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَىٰ عَذَابِ السَّعِيرِ (21)
And when it is said to them: Follow what Allah has sent down, they say: Rather, we should follow that upon which we found our fathers. Even though the devil is inviting them to the torture of the blaze.
[Al Quran ; 31:21]
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13- Omar Ibn Al-Khattab:

عن عروة بن الزبير عن أبيه عروة قال: أراد عمر بن الخطاب أن يكتب السنن، فاستشار فيها أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه، فأشار عامتهم بذلك عليه؛ فمكث عمر شهراً يستخير الله في ذلك شاكاً فيه؛ ثم أصبح يوماً قد عزم الله له، فقال: إني كنت ذكرت لكم من كتاب السنن ما قد علمتم؛ ثم تذكرت، فإذا ناس من أهل الكتاب قد كتبوا مع كتاب الله كتاباً ألبسوا عليه، وتركوا كتاب الله، وإني والله لا ألبس كتاب الله بشيء أبداً ؛ فترك عمر كتاب السنة.
Arwah Ibn Al-Zobair said that his father Arwah said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab once wanted to write the sunnah, so he took the advice of most of the companions of the messenger of Allah. They advised him that he should do it.

So Omar stayed for a month seeking the guidance of Allah to do it or not as he was doubting it. One day he waked up and it seems that Allah guided him to what to do, so Omar Ibn Al-Khattab said:

Indeed, I mentioned to you that I desired to write the sunnah of what you have already known, then I remembered the people of the book before you who wrote a book next to the book of Allah and got confused therein and left the book of Allah. And indeed, by Allah, I will not confuse the book of Allah with anything, ever.

So Omar rejected writing the sunnah in books.


Now, what Omar said means FOREVER not during his time only, see how he said it: وإني والله لا ألبس كتاب الله بشيء أبداً , i.e. And indeed, by Allah, I will not confuse the book of Allah with anything, ever.

So tell me mister Mushrik WB, how come Khalifah Omar Ibn Al-Khattab refused to write the Sunnah (he even referred to it with this name instead of hadith) while you along with your associates lied to us and told us that the prophet allowed writing Sunnah/Hadith later on in his life and before his death?

Well, the answer is simple, the prophet never allowed his people to write anything he said but Quran, he even deleted what they wrote and told them he is only a human, remember this from your Man Made book that we discussed earlier:

عن أبي هريرة قال: بلغ رسول الله أن ناساً قد كتبوا حديثه، فصعد المنبر، فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ثم قال ما هذه الكتب التي بلغني أنكم قد كتبتم، إِنما أنا بشر. من كان عنده منها شيء فليأت به ؛ فجمعناها فأخرجت
Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah was informed that some people wrote his hadith, so he climbed into the stand then praised and thanked Allah and said:

What are these books that you have written? Indeed, I am only a human, whoever has of these books should bring it in.

So we collected it and destroyed it.


Let’s move on and see what else Omar did:

عن خالد بن عرفطة قال كنت جالساً عند عمر، إذ أتي برجل من عبد القيس، مسكنه بالسوس؛ فقال له عمر أنت فلان بن فلان العبدي? قال نعم قال وأنت النازل بالسوس? قال نعم فضربه بقناة معه؛ فقال الرجل ما لي يا أمير المؤمنين? فقال له عمر: اجلس فجلس فقرأ عليه بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم، الر، تلك آيات الكتاب المبين، إنا أنزلناه قرآناً عربياً لعلكم تعقلون، نحن نقص عليك أحسن القصص إلى لمن الغافلين فقرأها عليه ثلاثاً، وضربه ثلاثاً، فقال له الرجل ما لي يا أمير المؤمنين? فقال أنت الذي نسخت كتاب دانيال? قال مرني بأمرك أتبعه قال انطلق فامحه بالحميم والصوف الأبيض؛ ثم لا تقرأه ولا تقريه أحداً من الناس؛ فلئن بلغني عنك إنك قرأته أو أقرأته أحداً من الناس، لأنهنك عقوبة ثم قال له أجلس فجلس بين يديه فقال: انطلقت أنا، فانتسخت كتاباً من أهل الكتاب، ثم جئت به في أديم، فقال لي رسول الله صلى الله عليه ما هذا في يدك يا عمر قال قلت يا رسول الله كتاب انتسخته، لنزداد به علماً إلى علمنا فغضب رسول الله صلى الله عليه، حتى احمرت وجنتاه، ثم نودي بالصلاة جامعة؛ فقالت الأنصار: أغضب نبيكم صلى الله عليه: السلاح، السلاح ، فجاؤا حتى أحدقوا بمنبر رسول الله صلى الله عليه، فقال: يا أيها الناس إني أوتيت جوامع الكلم وخواتيمه، واختصر لي اختصاراً، ولقد أتيتكم بها بيضاء. نقية، فلا تتهوكوا، ولا يقربكم المتهوكون .
Khalid Ibn Arfattah said: I was sitting with Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, when he brought in a guy from Abdulqais whose house was in the village of Soos, and then Omar said to him:

Are you that guy from Abdulqais? The guy said: Yes

Omar said to him: And you live in Soos? The guy said: Yes

So Omar hit him with a stick. The guy said: What I have done wrong O Amir Al-Mumineen (Khalifah)?

Omar said to him: Sit down. Then Omar read the following Quran verses three times:


الر ۚ تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ الْمُبِينِ (1)
Alif Lam Ra. These are the signs of the manifest book.
[Al Quran ; 12:1]

إِنَّا أَنْزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ (2)
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran that perhaps you will understand.
[Al Quran ; 12:2]

نَحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ أَحْسَنَ الْقَصَصِ بِمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الْغَافِلِينَ (3)
We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware.
[Al Quran ; 12:3]

Then Omar hit the guy three times. The guy said to Omar: What I have done wrong O Amir Al-Mumineen (Khalifah)?

Omar said to the guy: Aren’t you the one who translated the book of Daniel (to Arabic). The guy replied: Command me and I will certainly do what you want.

Omar said to the guy: Go and destroy it and never read it to the people or get it near them; and if I get informed that you read it or made anyone to read it, I will humiliate you with punishment.

Then Omar asked the guy to sit down, and told him: One day I got a book translated from the books of the people of the book, then went to the messenger of Allah, the messenger of Allah asked me about it, so I told him it is a translated book from the books of the people of the book. The prophet got very angry until his cheeks turned red.

The messenger then stood on the stand and said the following:

O people! I was given the complete collection of the words and their ending, it was been briefed to me in excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you.


While the matter above was about writing/translating the books of the people of the book, we cannot overlook what the prophet said to the people about the Quran in the above allegation:

The messenger of Allah said: O people! I was given the complete collection of the words and their ending, it was been briefed to me in excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you.

How beautiful these descriptions about the Quran: I was given the complete collection of the words and their endings, it was been briefed to me with excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you.

In no way these Man Made evil books of crap hadith are:

1- Complete collection of the words and their endings.
2- Briefed with excellent briefing.
3- White.
4- Pure.

The Man Made rubbish books of crap hadith are not but:

1- Complete collection of confusion and non sense.
2- Unrealistically lengthy and horrible to read and understand by average people.
3- Black.
4- Impure.

See WB, it has to be as iffo told you, it is either you declare these books as false or you choose hell to be your destination.

Let’s read a great story about Omar Ibn Al-Khattab when he wanted to filter out all al Mushrikoon:

حدثنا القاسم بن محمد أن عمر بن الخطاب بلغه أنه قد ظهر في أيدي الناس كتب، فاستنكرها، وكرهها، وقال: أيها الناس، أنه قد بلغني أنه قد ظهرت في أيديكم كتب؛ فأحبها إلى الله أعدلها وأقومها، فلا يبقين أحد عنده كتاب، إلا أتاني به، فأرى فيه رأيي قال فظنوا أنه يريد أن ينظر فيها، ويقومها على أمر لا يكون فيه اختلاف؛ فأتوه بكتبهم فأحرقها بالنار ثم قال: أمنية كأمنية أهل الكتاب
Al-Qasim Ibn Muhammed said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab was informed that some books started to surface between the people, so he denied and despised them then said:

O people! I was informed that some books appeared between your hands, and the most loved of them to Allah would be the most just and fair, so no one leaves a book with him except he should bring to me so I see what is in there and give my opinion. (Omar was only tricking them)

The people thought wrong that Omar wanted to look at the books and authenticate them in order to remove disagreement between these books. The people brought to Omar all their books and he just burnt them all, and then said:

You just had the desire (tendency) like the desire of the people of the book.


How awesome by that man, I have to admit Omar is the most one I admire from the companions of the prophet, I am sort like him slightly, I do not mock around with al mushrikoon, I confront them in an aggressive way to filter them out and destroy them in the most aggressive way possible.

What I like about the above great story is how Omar quickly planned to trick the people in thinking that their Man Made books of rubbish hadith will be considered, but only after he checks them personally and give his opinion, then announcing who had the best book; consequently the owner of the winning book will be the most loved by Allah, see how he said it to them:

، أنه قد بلغني أنه قد ظهرت في أيديكم كتب؛ فأحبها إلى الله أعدلها وأقومها، فلا يبقين أحد عنده كتاب، إلا أتاني به، فأرى فيه رأيي

i.e.

I was informed that some books appeared between your hands, and the most loved of them to Allah would be the most just and fair, so no one leaves a book with him except he should bring to me so I see what is in there and give my opinion.

The people were fooled of course, was easy upon the very smart Omar especially that most of those wannabe Mushrikoon are already proved their dumbness and stupidity with their clear tendency to shirk. This allowed Omar to make sure that every single Man Made book will be brought in (to win the huge prize of the love of Allah), which meant that Omar made sure that every single Man Made book of theirs is brought it to be destroyed REGARDLESS of any good stories therein.

عن يحيى بن جعدة أن عمر بن الخطاب أراد أن يكتب السنة، ثم بدا له أن لا يكتبها؛ ثم كتب في الأمصار من كان عنده منها شيء فليمحه.
Yahya Ibn Jaadah said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab desired to write the sunnah, then it became apparent to him that he should not, then he wrote on public notes to inform anyone who has written sunnah that it should be deleted.

Omar even posted public notices to make sure all Man Made books of sunnah were destroyed.

All the above stories about Omar happened when Omar was Khalifah, i.e. years after the prophet’s death; a grandmother of all slams exposing the clear cut lies and confusion of al mushrikoon.
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14- Abdullah Ibn Masoud:

عن مرة قال: بينما نحن عند عبد الله إذ جاء ابن قرة بكتاب، قال: وجدته بالشام، فأعجبني فجئتك به ، قال فنظر فيه عبد الله؛ ثم قال: إنما هلك من كان قبلكم بإتباعهم الكتب، وتركهم كتابهم قال: ثم دعا بطست فيه ماء؛ فماثه فيه ثم محاه.
Murrah said: While we were with Abdullah Ibn Masoud, a guy named Ibn Qurrah came with a book and said: I found this book in Palestine and I admired it so I brought to you.

So Abdullah Ibn Masoud looked at it and said: The people of the book were destroyed before you because they followed (other) books and left their book (of Allah).

Then Abdullah Ibn Masoud asked to bring bucket of water, then he immersed it in it and washed it.


عن عبد الرحمن بن الأسود عن أبيه قال جاء علقمة بكتاب من مكة أو اليمن، صحيفة فيها أحاديث في أهل البيت بيت النبي صلى الله عليه، فاستأذنا على عبد الله، فدخلنا عليه، قال: فدفعنا إليه الصحيفة؛ قال فدعا الجارية ثم دعا بطست فيها ماء؛ فقلنا له: يا أبا عبد الرحمن أنظر فيها، فإن فيها أحاديث حساناً قال فجعل يميثها فيها، ويقول: نحن نقص عليك أحسن القصص بما أوحينا إليك هذا القرآن، القلوب أوعية فاشغلوها بالقرآن، ولا تشغلوها ما سواه .
Abdul Rahman Ibn Al-Aswad said that his father said: Alqamaah came with a book from Mecca or Yamen, a book with hadith in it about Ahl Al-Bayt, the house of the prophet, so we sought the permission to enter upon Abdullah Ibn Masoud and gave him that book.

Abdullah Ibn Masoud called his servant to bring a bucket of water. So we said to him: O father of Abdul Rahman, look at it, it has good hadith.

Abdullah Ibn Masoud replied to them with a Quran verse:


نَحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ أَحْسَنَ الْقَصَصِ بِمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الْغَافِلِينَ (3)
We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware.
[Al Quran ; 12:3]

Then he said to them: The hearts are containers, make it busy with Quran, and never make it busy with anything else.

How compelling, man, he hit it on the nail: We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran. Not the rubbish stories found in these Man Made books of crap hadith. And even if the Mushrikoon consider it good books and good stories, the book of Allah is best and its stories are best as we have been told by Allah Himself. Consequently, there is no obligation for any sincere Muslim to follow or uphold the second best, the first best is enough for all Muslims, remember this verse:

الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ (18)
Those who hear the saying then follow the best of it; it is them whom Allah has guided, and it is them who possess minds.
[Al Quran ; 39:18]

-> Therefore, al Mushrikoon cannot be from among those who possess minds. Because they are not following the first best; in their own very eyes, they are following the second best along with the first best. While 39:18 tells us clearly that those who possess minds are those who follow the first best ONLY. There is no obligation for Muslims like me to follow the second best as instructed by 39:18, while the fact from my perspective that these Man Made rubbish books of hadith cannot be the second best, it can only be evil and the worst Man Made books which misguided, confused and divided most of the Muslims.

Now, if the hadith have been proven to contain massive errors and contradictions according to the Mushrikoon themselves, which made them invent the satanic abrogation concept to cover their hadith shame in defiance and arrogance. Then a Muslim like me who will never be arrogant towards the words of my Lord has every right to shove these books in the nearest toilet and flush them away, I have the Quran, the words of the Most Truthful, see this verse:

اللّهُ لا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ لَيَجْمَعَنَّكُمْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ وَمَنْ أَصْدَقُ مِنَ اللّهِ حَدِيثًا (87)
Allah, there is no God except Him, He will surely gather you for the day of resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in Hadith (speech)?
[Al Quran ; 4:87]

-> Indeed, O Mushrikoon: Who is more truthful than Allah in Hadith (speech)?

عن عبد الرحمن بن الأسود عن أبيه قال جاء رجل من أهل الشام إلى عبد الله بن مسعود ومعه صحيفة فيها كلام من كلام أبي الدرداء. وقصص من قصصه فقال: يا أبا عبد الرحمن ألا تنظر ما في هذه الصحيفة من كلام أخيك أبي الدرداء? فأخذ الصحيفة، فجعل يقرأ فيها وينظر، حتى أتى منزله، فقال يا جارية ائتيني بالإجانة مملوءة ماء ، فجاءت بها، فجعل يدلكها، ويقول الر. تلك آيات الكتاب المبين، إما أنزلناه قرآناً عربياً لعلكم تعقلون؛ نحن نقص عليك أحسن القصص ، أقصصاً أحسن من قصص الله تريدون? أو حديثاً أحسن من حديث الله تريدون?.
Abdul Rahman Ibn Al-Aswad said that his father said: A man from the people of Palestine came to Abdullah Ibn Masoud with a book in which there is some written hadith from the hadith of your brother Abi Al-Dardaa and some of his hadith stories.

Abdullah Ibn Masoud took the book, read and looked until he arrived to his house, then he called for his servant to bring a bucket of water, he continued to Erased it with water and say the following Quran verses:


الر ۚ تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ الْمُبِينِ (1)
Alif Lam Ra. These are the signs of the manifest book.
[Al Quran ; 12:1]

إِنَّا أَنْزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ (2)
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran that perhaps you will understand.
[Al Quran ; 12:2]

نَحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ أَحْسَنَ الْقَصَصِ بِمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الْغَافِلِينَ (3)
We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware.
[Al Quran ; 12:3]

Then he said to them: Do you desire better stories than the stories of Allah?

Or he might have said: Do you want better hadith than the hadith of Allah?


Indeed, they desire Man Made contradicting hadith and stories more than desiring the truthful hadith and stories of Allah in His Quran.

Continue below…..

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:48 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Read above first ^^^^^

عن أشعث بن سليم عن أبيه، قال: كنت أجالس أناساً في المسجد، فأتيتهم ذات يوم، فإذا عندهم صحيفة يقرأونها، فيها ذكر وحمد وثناء على الله، فأعجبتني، فقلت لصاحبها أعطنيها فانسخها قال: فإني وعدت بها رجلاً فأعد صحفك، فإذا فرغ منها، دفعتها إليك فأعددت صحفي، فدخلت المسجد ذات يوم، فإذا غلام يتخطى الخلق، يقول: أجيبوا عبد الله بن مسعود في داره، فانطلق الناس، فذهبت معهم، فإذا تلك الصحيفة بيده. وقال ألا إن ما في هذه الصحيفة فتنة وضلالة وبدعة؛ وإنما هلك من كان قبلكم من أهل الكتب باتباعهم الكتب، وتركهم كتاب الله. وإني أحرج على رجل يعلم منها شيئاً إلا دلني عليه. فوالذي نفس عبد الله بيده، لو أعلم منها صحيفة بدير هند لأتيتها، ولو مشياً على رجلي؛ فدعا بماء، فغسل تلك الصحيفة.
Ashaath said that his father said: I used to sit with some people in the mosque, one day I came to them and found with them a book in which there is praise and thanks to Allah, I admired it very much and said to its owner, give it to me so I can make a copy. He said: I promised another man to take it for while to make a copy, but when he finishes, you can borrow it; then I made my copy.

One day I entered the mosque and heard a boy calling us to answer Abdullah Ibn Masoud in his house.

The people went there, and I went with them; we found the same book in his hand, so Abdullah Ibn Masoud said:

Unquestionably, what are in this book are fitnah (trial), misguidance and inventions; and indeed, the people of the book were destroyed before you because they followed (similar) books and left the book of Allah. Therefore I ask everyone to inform me where I can find all these copies, as by Allah, if it comes to my knowledge that a copy of this is found in India, I would go to it (to destroy it), even on foot.

Then Abdullah Ibn Masoud asked for water and washed that book.


See how committed was Ibn Masoud in making sure that all these copies of Man Made rubbish hadith were destroyed, his commitment and seriousness were evident when he said: if it comes to my knowledge that a copy of this is found in India, I would go to it (to destroy it), even on foot.

عن إبراهيم التيمي، قال: بلغ ابن مسعود أن عند ناس كتاباً، فلم يزل بهم حتى أتوه به، فلما أتوه به، محاه، ثم قال: إنما هلك أهل الكتاب قبلكم أنهم أقبلوا على كتب علمائهم وأساقفتهم، وتركوا كتاب ربهم أو قال تركوا التوراة والإنجيل حتى درسا، وذهب ما فيهما من الفرائض والأحكام .
Abrahim Al-Taimi said: It came to the knowledge of Abdullah Ibn Masoud that there are (hadith) books with some people. So he called them and they came to him, so he deleted it and said:

The people of the book were destroyed before you because they indulged themselves in studying the books of their Ulaama and their Priests but left the book of their Lord.

Some said that Ibn Masoud said: And they left the Torah and Injil until the laws and sharia therein were forgotten.

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15- Others who prohibited writing the hadith:

عن أبي بردة عن أبي موسى قال: إن بني إسرائيل كتبوا كتاباً واتبعوه، وتركوا التوراة.
Abi Bardah said: Abi Musa said that the sons of Israel wrote a book and followed it and left the Torah.

حدثنا حماد ابن زيد قال قال لي ابن عون: إني أرى هذه الكتب، يا أبا إسماعيل، ستضل الناس .
Hammad Ibn Zaid said: Ibn Awin said to me that he sees these books as misguidance to the people.

What Hammad said above is exactly what happened to the Muslims spanning 1200 years and we’re still counting.

قال ابن عون: أحسب أو أرى يكون لهذه الكتب غب سوء
Ibn Awin said: I believe (or I see) that there will be a bad consequence to these books.

What Ibn Awin said above is the exact bad consequence we see happening to most Muslims around the world, division, confusion and ignorance. These Man Made books did not even clear their ignorance, rather increasing it. And if it continues this way, it has to reach a point where it is impossible to make amends, at that point I only see the wrath of Allah descending upon most Muslims on earth. I actually believe that most Muslims have reached this point already.

قال إسماعيل إنما كرهوا الكتاب، لأن من كان قبلكم اتخذوا الكتب، فأعجبوا بها، فكانوا يكرهون أن يشتغلوا بها عن القرآن
Ismael said: They despised writing the (hadith) book because those before you took the books and admired them. So those who despised writing hadith, despised that it will cause them to be diverted away from Quran.
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16- The opinion of the author of this book (Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi):

فقد ثبت أن كراهة من كره الكتاب من الصدر الأول، إنما هي لئلا يضاهى بكتاب الله تعالى غيره، أو يشتغل عن القرآن بسواه، ونهي عن الكتب القديمة أن تتخذ، لأنه لا يعرف حقها من باطلها، وصحيحها من فاسدها، مع أن القرآن كفى منها، وصار مهيمناً عليها. ونهي عن كتب العلم في صدر الإسلام وجدته لقلة الفقهاء. في ذلك الوقت، والمميزين بين الوحي وغيره، لأن أكثر الأعراب لم يكونوا فقهوا في الدين، ولا جالسوا العلماء العارفين؛ فلم يؤمن أن يلحقوا ما يجدون من الصحف بالقرآن، ويعتقد أن ما اشتملت عليه كلام الرحمن

It is proven that despising to write (the hadith) by the very early people was only for the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, exalted is He; or the fear that the people will get busy with anything but the Quran. And this prohibition was covering:

1-The old scriptures because we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the Quran is sufficient and is overruling them.

2- Hadith books during the early time of Islam because there was only a few Fuqaahaa (experts in understanding religion during that time) who can differentiate between revelation from Allah and whatever else. This is because most of the Bedouins were not expert in the religion yet, nor have they accompanied the knowledgeable Ulaama, So they thought that they might mix what they find written in books with the Quran, then wrongly think that these Man Made books are revelation from Allah.


Ahmed says:
The above crap is nothing but non sense; was that all what the confused author of this book had to say to all these evidences he himself presented? How funny; well, I am going to reply to this Mushrik the way I reply to any filthy Mushrik, so let me get the ball rolling:

Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:It is proven that despising to write (the hadith) by the very early people was only for the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, exalted is He.


Well, sounds like a very confused author you are, it was not only about despising to write hadith, it was about the following, mister confused:

1- A command from the prophet not to write anything he said except Quran.
2- A command from the prophet to delete anything they wrote except Quran
3- Almost all early and later sahaba despised to write hadith
4- Almost all early and later sahaba deleted any written hadith

And did you not know that no book ever will be able to compete with Quran. This is what Allah said, not me:

وَإِن كُنتُمْ فِي رَيْبٍ مِّمَّا نَزَّلْنَا عَلَى عَبْدِنَا فَأْتُواْ بِسُورَةٍ مِّن مِّثْلِهِ وَادْعُواْ شُهَدَاءكُم مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ (23)
And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to Our servant, then bring forth a sura like it and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful.
[Al Quran ; 2:23]

But mister confused author is telling us that back then, someone might have thought that there is a 3 verses sura like the Quran from their Man Made rubbish of crap hadith, despite the fact that the language of the Quran stunned all of them back then, i.e. it is easy to know what is Quran and what is Man Made. Now, I have a surprise for mister confused author, it never happened, nor will it ever happen; again this is what Allah said, not me:

فَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلُواْ وَلَن تَفْعَلُواْ فَاتَّقُواْ النَّارَ الَّتِي وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَالْحِجَارَةُ أُعِدَّتْ لِلْكَافِرِينَ (24)
And if you do not do, and you will never be able to do, then fear the fire whose fuel is the people and the stones; prepared for the unbelievers.
[Al Quran ; 2:24]

-> See: And if you do not do, and you will never be able to do, i.e. it never happened, nor will it ever happen.

Now, if I go back to the author’s stupid apology, in which he said: the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, I have to ask his pinhead:

Wouldn’t that fear also apply to the later Muslims? Or the early Muslims just did not give a damn about them so it was fine with the early Muslims that the later Muslims have all these masses of Man Made rubbish books of hadith which clearly compete with Quran and sometimes overwrite it?

How dumb and reckless by the early Muslims.

Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:Or the fear that the people will get busy with anything but Quran.


Well, it is like you know that the early Muslims would not give a rat arse when the Quran commands them to ponder upon it and be busy with it:

كِتَابٌ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ مُبَارَكٌ لِيَدَّبَّرُوا آيَاتِهِ وَلِيَتَذَكَّرَ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ (29)
A book which We have sent down to you, blessed so that they might ponder over its signs and that those who possess minds remember.
[Al Quran ; 38:29]

وَإِذَا قُرِىءَ الْقُرْآنُ فَاسْتَمِعُواْ لَهُ وَأَنصِتُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ (204)
And when the Quran is read, then listen to it and pay attention that you may be granted mercy.
[Al Quran ; 7:204]

Now, let me shock you in your grave, mister confused author, what you have done, did not work, this is because most Muslims since the time of Bukhari till this very moment are busy with your Man Made rubbish books of crap while not giving a rat arse about being busy with Quran. Well, this is not what I said:

وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا (30)
And the messenger will say: My Lord! Indeed, my people have taken this Quran as an abandoned.
[Al Quran ; 25:30]

See, it did not work and will never work. So what have gone wrong mister confused author?

I tell you what have gone wrong; you helped most Muslims to be Mushrikoon, yep; and again this is not what I said:

وَمَا أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ (103)
And most of the people, although you strive (for it), are not believers.
[Al Quran ; 12:103]

And even when they believe, they do it while shirking with Allah other things:

وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللَّهِ إِلَّا وَهُمْ مُشْرِكُونَ (106)
And most of them do not believe in Allah except while they are polytheists.
[Al Quran ; 12:106]

Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:And this prohibition was about:


Was about the Man Made rubbish books of hadith.

Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:1-The old scriptures because we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the [colour=red]Quran is sufficient[/color] and is overruling them.


Oh really? But the same bloody thing happens with your Man Made rubbish books of Hadith Springer stories: we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the Quran is sufficient and is overruling them. I know that al Mushrikoon disagree (despite they say they agree) concerning the italic red part, because for them, while they agree that the Quran totally overrules the old scriptures (Torah and Injil), their Man Made rubbish books of crap are still needed and sometimes overrule the Quran. The fact that the Quran is sufficient which they claim but not follow (they need hadith books with it), is what your Man Made book of sunan al-Darmi said, see:

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Yahya Ibn Gaadah said: The prophet came one day with a book and said: It is enough misguidance for the people who desire something else to that with which their prophet has come to them.

Or he said: A book other than their book.

So Allah revealed verse 29:51,


أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِهِمْ أَنَّا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ يُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَرَحْمَةً وَذِكْرَىٰ لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (51)
And is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon you the book which is recited to them? Indeed, in that is a mercy and a reminder for a people who believe.
[Al Quran ; 29:51]

-> See how 29:51 raises a very strong argument against those who desire other books from which they seek guidance instead of the book of Allah: And is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon you the book which is recited to them? See what Allah told us next about sending the Quran to us: Indeed, in that is a mercy and a reminder for a people who believe.

Indeed the Quran is a reminder for a people who believe. It can never be a reminder for a people who believe with shirk. See again: And most of them do not believe in Allah except while they are polytheists.[12:106]

Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:2- Hadith books during the early time of Islam because there was only a few Fuqahaa (experts in understanding religion) during that time who can differentiate between revelation from Allah and whatever else. This is because most of the Bedouins were not expert in the religion yet, nor did they accompanied the knowledgeable Ulaama, So they thought that they might mix what they find written in books with the Quran, then wrongly think that these Man Made books are revelation from Allah.


Come on mister Mushrik author, give me a break from your stupidity; didn’t all the hadith worshippers claim that the hadith/sunnah is a revelation from Allah? So tell me again, how you differentiate between:

The revelation of Allah (Quran) which should equal the revelation of Allah (sunnah)?

This author sounds as shifty as his master Bukhari who lied to us and told us that the sunnah is also called the book of Allah. So tell me again, how you differentiate between:

The book of Allah (Quran) which should equal the book of Allah (sunnah)?

How manipulative and deceitful those bunch of Mushrikoon are.

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17- A Quran verse to prove that writing hadith is allowed:

What you are about to read is nothing but a clear cut big lie by al Mushrikoon who shamelessly and continuously fabricate lies about Allah, it seems to me that it became apparent to them that all their apologies from their Man Made rubbish books of hadith to justify their crime of shirking Quran with these Man Made rubbish hadith books will be nothing but dust in thin air for any sane human, so they wanted a Quran verse to wrap their big lie with it, as if it is divine.

Well I am not going to translate the following rubbish, manipulations and lies to you, it is a waste of my time, but what I am going to do is show you the verse they used to cook their lie about Allah, then you should be the judge and I am sure that all should know how deceitful and manipulators those bunch of Mushrik Muslims are:

وفي وصف رسول الله صلى الله عليه الكتاب أنه قيد العلم دليلٌ على إباحته رسمه في الكتب، لمن خشي على نفسه دخول الوهم في حفظه، وحصول العجز عن إتقانه وضبطه. وقد أدب الله سبحانه عباده بمثل ذلك في الدين فقال عز وجل ولا تسأموا أن تكتبوه صغيراً أو كبيراً إلى أجله، ذلكم أقسط عند الله، وأقوم للشهادة، وأدنى ألا ترتابوا . فلما أمر الله تعالى بكتابة الدين حفظاً له، واحتياطاً عليه، وإشفاقاً من دخول الريب فيه، كان العلم، الذي حفظه أصعب من حفظ الدين، أحرى أن تباح كتابته، خوفاً من دخول الريب والشك فيه؛ بل كتاب العلم في هذا الزمان مع طول الإسناد، واختلاف أسباب الرواية، أحج من الحفظ. ألا ترى أن الله عز وجل جعل كتب الشهادة، فيما يتعاطاه الناس من الحقوق بينهم، عوناً عند الجحود، وتذكرة عند النسيان؛ وجعل في عدمها، عند المموهين بها، أوكد الحجج ببطلان ما ادعوه فيها. فمن ذلك أن المشركين لما ادعوا بهتاً اتخاذ الله سبحانه بناتٍ من الملائكة أمر الله نبينا صلى الله عليه أن يقول لهم فأتوا بكتابكم إن كنتم صادقين . ولما قالت اليهود ما أنزل الله على بشر من شيء وقد استفاض عنهم قبل ذلك للإيمان بالتوراة قال الله تعالى لنبينا صلى الله عليه قل لهم: من أنزل الكتاب الذي جاء به موسى نوراً وهدى للناس، تجعلونه قراطيس تبدونها، وتخفون كثيراً ، فلم يأتوا على ذلك ببرهان، فأطلع الله على عجزهم عن ذلك بقوله تعالى قل الله، ثم ذرهم في خوضهم يلعبون . وقال تعالى راداً على متخذي الأصنام آلهة من دونه: أروني ماذا خلقوا من الأرض، أم لهم شرك في السموات، ائتوني بكتاب من قبل هذا، أو اثارة من علم إن كنتم صادقين . والأثارة والأثرة راجعان في المعنى إلى شيء واحد، وهو ما أثر من كتب الأولين. وكذلك سبيل من ادعى علماً أو حقاً من حقوق الأملاك، أن يقيم دون الإقرار برهاناً: إما شهادة ذوي عدل، أو كتاباً غير مموه، وإلا فلا سبيل إلى تصديقه

This is a short extract from the above Arabic text:

When the messenger of Allah described it as ‘Restricting Knowledge’ it is a clear evidence that is should not be restricted for those who fear not to be able to memorise it.

And Allah (all praise to Him) admonishes His servants with the like of that when writing debit contracts, so Allah (exalted is He) said:


يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا تَدَايَنتُم بِدَيْنٍ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَاكْتُبُوهُ ….
O you who have believed! When you owe others a debit for a specified time, then write it down. ……..
[Al Quran ; 2:282]

Ahmed says:
You stupid bunch of con-artists lying freaks of Mushrikoon bound to hell, verse 2:282 (the longest verse in Quran) is about writing loans/debits contract between involved parties, in fact even writing it is not enough, we still need some witnesses to sign the debit contract, see:

…… وَاسْتَشْهِدُواْ شَهِيدَيْنِ من رِّجَالِكُمْ فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ مِمَّن تَرْضَوْنَ مِنَ الشُّهَدَاء ….
…… And bring to testify two witnesses from among your men; but if they are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you approved to be witnesses, ……..
[Al Quran ; 2:282]

Therefore, the above has nothing to do with the crime of al Mushrikoon of writing their Man Made rubbish books of hadith. And as you have clearly seen that Omar Ibn Al-Khattab and many others refused to write the sunnah in books years after the prophet’s death. Were they disobedient to Allah and His messenger? Or, were they rejecting the teachings of Allah? Or, were they not fearing Allah?

…… وَلاَ يُضَآرَّ كَاتِبٌ وَلاَ شَهِيدٌ وَإِن تَفْعَلُواْ فَإِنَّهُ فُسُوقٌ بِكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
…… and let no writer be harmed or any witness; but if you do then it is disobedience by you. And fear Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is of everything Knowing.
[Al Quran ; 2:282]

Well, you can not make borrowing money from others which need to be documented and witnessed like writing your Man Made rubbish books of hadith. What deceitful bunch of lying freaks are you.
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Finally, let me see what WB had to say to me earlier:

WittyBoy wrote:@ AhmedBahgat


Salam

WittyBoy wrote:I showed you that what the companions has done was out of their honesty, and i asked you to answer my original post i addressed to you, but it seems like you are disabled to answer it, like as you did with the legitimate marriage question.


You showed me nothing, all your evidences from your Man Made rubbish crap books of hadith are not admissible in my court. How come you use something that I totally reject, against me?

Now for your continued stupidity about legal marriage, why don’t you show us what your Man Made rubbish say so you at least built an argument.

Imagining an argument cannot be valid, so get off your Shirking Barbie world and bloody make your point with clarity.

WittyBoy wrote:I'll summarize that post so that you may find it easier:
1-
Has the verse that mentioned two things to obey been obligated by other verses you brought to prove your claim?


Well, in the language both mean the same thing, i.e. when I say:

I obey Ahmed and Ali

It is exactly the same as:

I obey Ahmed and obey Ali

WittyBoy wrote:2- What does "the same cause and command" mean?


Have I not already explained to you at least two times? Well here it is for a third time (and I note the last), who knows we may get lucky saying it for a third time… third time lucky for you to get it:

Command is: Pray

Cause is: Praising and be grateful to Allah

Allah issued the command, and prophet Muhammed explained to us how to praise and be grateful to Allah.

Now, if I say the above to a 10 year old child, I am sure they will get it faster than you; I’m hoping you may get it this time round.

WittyBoy wrote:Can i understand from this statement that you believe in hadiths which don't opposite Quran??


If I do so, then I have to also believe in any other written book by any one if it does not violate Quran, which mean I may end up believing in a zillion book, what a load of non sense… I’m not stupid

Read this again:

أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِهِمْ أَنَّا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ يُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَرَحْمَةً وَذِكْرَىٰ لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (51)
And is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon you the book which is recited to them? Indeed, in that is a mercy and a reminder for a people who believe.
[Al Quran ; 29:51]

WittyBoy wrote:or don't believe on them at all?


I reject ALL WRITTEN Man Made books of hadith, now if you have an oral hadith from your memory, I may look at it to qualify it, but if your memory fails you and you cannot remember it, then I won’t even give a rat arse to know it.

WittyBoy wrote:3- When you talked about how to pray, i asked you: So Quran doesn't contain everything??!!!


Quran contains everything to pass the test, but I am not going to find how to make a pizza in Quran for sure, on the other hand, prayer, fasting and Hajj are commanded by Allah in Quran so learning how to do them from the prophet is acceptable to me, but it is accepted the practical and real way it happened, that we inherited these rituals orally and practically from the prophet himself, and since then we practice them, 5 times a day to pray, 30 days a year to fast and once a year to do hajj (if we can), this means the following would have happened in just one year, the Muslims might have done hajj once, must fasted about 30 days and must prayed 1775 times, i.e. we don’t need your Man Made books of rubbish and contradicting hadith to show us how to do them.

WittyBoy wrote:4- I showed you that "Whoever obeys the messenger, then he has certainly obeyed Allah"


That is right, when I obey the prophet in how I should pray, then I automatically obeyed Allah who commanded me to pray

WittyBoy wrote:proves that there is an indirect obedience


You may shove that crap about indirect obedience in your Mushrik arse… read and try to understand.

WittyBoy wrote:and it can't mean "whoever follows Quran, he follows Quran"


It means the following:

That is right, when I obey the prophet in how I should fast Ramadan, then I automatically obeyed Allah who commanded me to fast Ramadan

How dumb can you get, Mushrik Muslim?

WittyBoy wrote:5-I told you that the Prophet(pbuh) forbade writing hadiths but he allowed it later,


You mean you lied and told us so. Well, then how come all the above people prohibited writing the Man Made hadith’s even the hadith that praised and thanked Allah, and even the hadith’s that were good hadith about the family of Muhammed.

WittyBoy wrote:you refuted this point by a very wrong claim which is that Muslims haven't written hadiths even when Muawyah became a caliph,


Was my claim or the allegation from your Man Made rubbish books? Well, read above again and again then at the third time, dismiss yourself

WittyBoy wrote:Who said Muawyah was a caliph in this indecent? :*) Muawyah was one of the companions(from the revelation writers as well), he didn't appear suddenly only when he became a caliph.


Then go and read the many hadith above when Omar was a Khalifah and refused to write sunnah in books and even collected all that Man Made crap that was written and burnt it after following the wannabe Mushrikoon by making them think there is a prize to be won. How retarded can you get, Mushrik Muslim?

WittyBoy wrote:6-You claimed that the companions refrained themselves from narrating hadiths,


Yes, read this again from your Man Made book Sunan Ibn Magih:

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Al Shubi said: I have accompanied Ibn Omar for a year and I never heard him transferring any hadith that was said by the prophet.

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The saying of Al Saib Ibn Yazid said: I have accompanied Saad Ibn Malik from Madinah to Mecca and I have never heard him transferring one hadith that was said by the prophet salla Allah alayhi wa sallam

Were those sahaba having a break for that long not to narrate a single hadith about the prophet?

WittyBoy wrote:Yes, they were very careful in narrating hadiths, but it doesn't mean they didn't narrate hadiths at all.


And I have no problem with narrating hadith orally, however many sahaba still refrained from narrating a single hadith about the prophet for long times.

On the other hand I reject all books of written hadith.

WittyBoy wrote:@ Ahmed

if you find all points are still unanswerable,


Was it me, or you who found them so?

Well, you have a lot to answer in this comment alone, yet you have never refuted logically what the Cat, iffo and myself have hit you with. You are only parroting non sensible crap that was programmed in your pinhead over the years since you were born.

WittyBoy wrote:you can leave them all and answer the following question,


Funny indeed, sounds like it is you who did not answer the one killer of an argument from Quran. How can we half stone married slaves who commit adultery?

Keep spinning.

WittyBoy wrote: Allah said:


As if you care about what Allah said; well, let me tell something Mushrik Muslim, Muslims like you don’t give a damn about what Allah says.

WittyBoy wrote:Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone, no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [an-Nisaa : 23]


You did not even bring the verse after it so you proposed argument looks complete. Let me do it for you and bring the two Arabic verses along with my translation in here:

حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أُمَّهَاتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُمْ وَعَمَّاتُكُمْ وَخَالاَتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُ الأَخِ وَبَنَاتُ الأُخْتِ وَأُمَّهَاتُكُمُ اللاَّتِي أَرْضَعْنَكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُم مِّنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ وَأُمَّهَاتُ نِسَآئِكُمْ وَرَبَائِبُكُمُ اللاَّتِي فِي حُجُورِكُم مِّن نِّسَآئِكُمُ اللاَّتِي دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَإِن لَّمْ تَكُونُواْ دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَحَلاَئِلُ أَبْنَائِكُمُ الَّذِينَ مِنْ أَصْلاَبِكُمْ وَأَن تَجْمَعُواْ بَيْنَ الأُخْتَيْنِ إَلاَّ مَا قَدْ سَلَفَ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا (23)
Prohibited to you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and sisters of your father, and the sisters of your mother, and the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, and your foster mothers who have breastfed you, and your sisters through breastfeeding, and the mothers of your wives. And your step daughters, who are in your care, of your wives with whom you have consumed marriage; but if you have not consumed marriage with them, then there should be no blame upon you. And are the wives of your sons who are from your loin, and that you take in marriage two sisters together, except what has already passed. Indeed, ever is Allah Forgiving, Merciful.
[Al Quran ; 4:23]

وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاء إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ كِتَابَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَاء ذَلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَالِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُم بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا (24)
And (prohibited to you) are the protected from among the women, except those whom your oaths possess. (This is) a decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are what is beyond these, that you seek protection (for them) with your wealth not fornicating. And for whatever you enjoyed from them, give them their rewards, an obligation (from Allah). And there should be no blame upon you for what you mutually agreed to beyond the obligation. Indeed, ever is Allah Knowing, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 4:24]

The above is detailed laws from Allah, it does not even need elaboration; anything else talking about the same cannot be from Allah.

WittyBoy wrote:So, Is marriage from a woman and her mother's sister or father's sister at one and the same time, is lawful and legitimated too?


Mister confused Mushrik, I strongly reject that hadith from Abu Hurairah about prohibiting marrying a woman and any of her aunties at the same time, and this hadith was even rejected by many because it is UHADI hadith, i.e. it only came from one narrator (no one else said it), that narrator who said that hadith is the always doubtful and untrustworthy Abu Hurairah, this is due to his own conflicting admissions that firstly he did not conceal any hadith, then secondly he concealed a great part of hadith.

This means for me that it may be lawful to marry a woman and one of her aunties at the same time, not that I will ever do it or encourage others to do, in fact I am a strong supporter of marrying one woman only, this is to comply completely with the words of Allah when He said that we will never be fair between women:

وَلَن تَسْتَطِيعُواْ أَن تَعْدِلُواْ بَيْنَ النِّسَاء وَلَوْ حَرَصْتُمْ فَلاَ تَمِيلُواْ كُلَّ الْمَيْلِ فَتَذَرُوهَا كَالْمُعَلَّقَةِ وَإِن تُصْلِحُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا (129)
And you will never be able to be fair between women even if you are careful; so do not lean (to one of them) all the way while leaving another hanging. And if you do good deeds and fear, then indeed, ever is Allah Forgiving, Merciful.
[Al Quran ; 4:129]

And because Allah told us earlier in the same sura that if we fear to be unjust between women, then men should marry only one woman:

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ (3)
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans, then marry those who please you from the women, two and three and four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then (marry) one or what your oaths possess; that is better than having dependants.
[Al Quran ; 4:3]

See, for any true Muslim, reading 4:3 & 4:129 means to marry only one. Therefore, the matter is absolutely useless to me and I don’t even want to know if doing such marriage is lawful or not. Simply, it should have been over ruled with my obedience to my Lord that I should marry only one if I fear not to be just with more than one. And the fact is, I will never be just, then I should marry only one.

For you Mushrikoon however, your acceptance to that UHADI hadith by Abu Hurairah means one thing only, that you are shirking the law of Allah in 4:23-24 with Man Made law from Abu Hurairah (your associate) who told you that such marriage is haram, see this:

وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَا تَصِفُ أَلْسِنَتُكُمُ الْكَذِبَ هَٰذَا حَلَالٌ وَهَٰذَا حَرَامٌ لِتَفْتَرُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْتَرُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ لَا يُفْلِحُونَ (116)
And do not say about what your tongues describe of lies: This is lawful and this is prohibited, to forge against Allah lies; indeed, those who forge against Allah lies will not succeed.
[Al Quran ; 16:116]

-> See: And do not say about what your tongues describe of lies: This is lawful and this is prohibited, that is exactly what you Mushrikoon did and continue to do. Allah detailed to us all the relationships that should be prohibited to us, but you Mushrikoon are not happy with that, so you needed your associate whom you made equivalent to Allah in making prohibition laws upon us, then you obey both together. How dare you, you, bunch of Nijis and confused Mushrikoon. See this:

أَمْ لَهُمْ شُرَكَاءُ شَرَعُوا لَهُمْ مِنَ الدِّينِ مَا لَمْ يَأْذَنْ بِهِ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْلَا كَلِمَةُ الْفَصْلِ لَقُضِيَ بَيْنَهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ (21)
Or are there for them associates who have prescribed for them of the religion that which Allah has not sanctioned? And if not for the decisive word, it would have been judged between them. And indeed, for the unjust there will be a painful torture.
[Al Quran ; 42:21]

Your associate is not but Abu Hurairah who has prescribed for you of the religion that which Allah has not sanctioned.

Here you have it, Mushrik WB, Kafir SNB and FFI kafirs; this is what I call the Grandmother of all slams. See this:

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And I have a surprise for al Mushrikoon, enjoy:

Surprise, surprise

Salam

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:59 pm
by yeezevee
AhmedBahgat wrote:.....And I have a surprise for al Mushrikoon, enjoy:

Surprise, surprise

Surprise, surprise.. what a Surprise, surprise..

It is all screen dump?? No it is just Prophet's early Morning Dump.,

Ohyee Allah follower Get the water for messenger .. I need to wash my ass,,

http://free-islam.com/flash/mushrik/mushrikoon.swf

playing with flash gif is ok.. but don't play with Guns and don't allow children play with guns..

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:27 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Well I was right about Bag Beeotch taking a dump on everybody's screen. I called it. And judging by the size of the turd he dumped here, I'd say he was pretty backed up for a long time. :lol: How could anybody be expected to read all of this crap???

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:59 pm
by iffo
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637:

Narrated Buraida:

The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus."



WittyBoy

No, it's not like you want it to be, the booty has been collected, and divided, and then the Prophet(pbuh) sent Ali to get the khumus, i think he didn't take a plane from Mecca airport at this time, so it was a long time before this incident happened.

No sorry it can not be a long time. They had no planes but they were not figting in Turkey. If not days it has to be with in a week or two at the most. No woman who was cheering her side few days or week back will be willing to have sex with her enemy that soon willingly. So it is a rape as she scared and broekn surrendered herself. And according to this hadith prophet is eaqually gulity of that. No matter how you try to cover their asses you can not.

BTW prophets share is divided by prophet among his family and poor not Ali getting it before even prophet getting it. but that's not important.

WittyBoy
The narrator Abu saaid al-Khudri talked about himself, and he said we were suffering from "al Izba" which means "Celibacy", so i don't need to read this hadith again because i know from it more than what you know.


Wrong again. First you have no evidence that Abu was not married. Anyway even if he was that does not mean others were unmarried as well. Even if they were, that's not important. What important is they said "Can we take the dick out", they did not say can we fuke or not that was understood they would. And prophet said it does not make any difference its better if you don't.
He did not say "NOOOOOO", you can not use them as sex object. Meaning he allows that you take the dick out so they don't get pregenant, and then sell to someone else , they can do the same to them,. This is your Pathetic Islam and you claim it to be the champion of morality.

WittyBoy
If it won't be harmful and it will be useful for her, so why not? but if these two conditions weren't met, what will make me do that? it doesn't a matter for who understands Islam well, but if some people doesn't understand Islam, it's not the fault of Islam. Islam doesn't forbade which can be useful, but it orders you to do it properly or not to do it at all. That's better and logical.


women genital cutting is not useful for noone. Its is so women don't get aroused. Why don't you take of all the flesh from penis head so they don't feel aroused, so even if women offer themselves they say "no go away". Pathetic butchers lead by your satan prophet based on this hadits.


Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." (Sahih Bukhari, 1.6.301)


WittyBoy
No, i won't answer, the hadith illustrates itself, the prophet already defined what's meant by the deficient in women intelligence and religion, he(pbuh) didn't say they are stupid or disbelievers.


This hadit only proves that not only you and your prophet are idiot, but your God is idiot as well.

Who made them deficient? Is it their fault IF(they are not) they are defiecient?? is it their fault that they have mesus and they are deficient in religion. Your God made them deficient and then he burn them in hell for that ...... Stupidity at its peak

WittyBoy
why did you write "black woman" in bold??? he said a black woman with unkempt hair. BTW, The prophet(pbuh) when he adopted, he adopted a black slave, and who used to call for Muslims prayers was a black man too.

Its degrading to black women, untiddy hair is not a crime.

WittyBoy
Then he said (to my wife). Call a lady-baker to bake along with you and keep on taking out scoops from your earthenware meat-pot, and do not put it down from its fireplace." They were one-thousand (who took their meals), and by Allah they all ate, and when they left the food and went away, our earthenware pot was still bubbling (full of meat) as if it had not decreased, and our dough was still being baked as if nothing had been taken from it.

Please learn to mention the source

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: ... So I came (to my house) and Allah's Apostle too, came, proceeding before the people. When I came to my wife, she said, "May Allah do so-and-so to you." I said, "I have told the Prophet of what you said." Then she brought out to him (i.e. the Prophet) the dough, and he spat in it and invoked for Allah's Blessings in it. Then he proceeded towards our earthenware meat-pot and spat in it and invoked for Allah's Blessings in it. (Sahih al-Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 428)



WittyBoy
So you are talking about a Prophet not an ordinary man.

Person like you who refuse to use his brain will be even OK if it says he peed or take in sh!t or vomit in the meat, thats how blind you are.

I can not think of any immoral evil thing that you will not justify as long as it is in hadith.
Because you are morally and intellectulaly bankrupt, that's what you religion has done to you. I am glad there is no hadith about having sex with your mother, I am sure you will have some justification for that as well.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:00 pm
by bobs1244
Maybe AhmedBahgat will gift us all with a Stupid-to-English dictionary so we can all understand what he's trying to say :lol:

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:24 pm
by The Cat
skynightblaze wrote:EVery single debator can just say that his opponent is resorting to a fallacy of argumentum ad populum.So if we are to follow your line of thinking then tell me how is anyone supposed to know the outcome of a debate? There has to be a judge.

More logical fallacies won't get you out of the trap you've made for yourself. This is perflectly exposing your way of debating.

Let's have a poll for every single thread and debates there are and backward too! There has to be a judge! :lol: