skynightblaze wrote:The sunnah of the past prophets and Sunnah of the Allah can be followed by following Muhammad
skynightblaze wrote:Following hadiths wouldnt mean diverting from Allahs path unless muslims believe that muhammad was a fraud who deliberately lied in the hadiths so that muslims stray from the path of Allah.
skynightblaze wrote:Witty Boy refuted your argument clearly and yet you are unable to accept that fact. The hadiths were initially forbidden because muhammad thought that they would be confused with quran but later it was allowed.
The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]
Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said, "Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."
Some Hadith scholars tried to imply that Muhammed changed his view about writing the hadiths. However, the following hadith, which was reported 30 years after the death of the Prophet, confirms that the Prophet Muhammed never authorized the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write but the Quran.
Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his hadith".
The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God." He said, "A book other than the book of God?" We said, "Should we talk about you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire.
In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.
skynightblaze wrote:the point is here we have sahih hadiths and sunan Abu dawud hadiths confirming that prohibition of writing hadiths was abrogated later.
skynightblaze wrote:In my previous debate I accepted your quote where muhammad said that nothing other than the quran should be written. I didnt know that this was abrogated.
If all Muslims follow in the foot steps of Prophet of Islam and emulate him, Not only all Muslims should be illiterate but they all should be put in jail .The Cat wrote:If Muhammadans should emulate their prophet thoroughly, as the perfect example to be followed, then they all should be illiterate.![]()
what all happened after his death dear robot?? getting smitten by the his adopted son's wife beauty?? screwing his adopted son's wife? sending that poor chap to war so that he gets killed??AhmedBahgat wrote:@ kafir kid sky
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And guess what you sharmooot kafir and ur boyfriend WB, it all hapened in the years after his death
This means. Sharmooot kafir sky and Nijis muslim WB, that the prophet never allowed them to write any man made rubbish
It also means that WB is a brainwashed conbfused lying mushrik muslim bound to hell
yeezevee wrote:If all Muslims follow in the foot steps of Prophet of Islam and emulate him, Not only all Muslims should be illiterate but they all should be put in jail .The Cat wrote:If Muhammadans should emulate their prophet thoroughly, as the perfect example to be followed, then they all should be illiterate.![]()
The Cat wrote:If Muhammadans should emulate their prophet thoroughly, as the perfect example to be followed, then they all should be illiterate.![]()
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iffo wrote:expozIslam wrote:Iffo,
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What happened pandit, can't handle sight of little meat buddy? (relaxe just kidding).good idea I did.
yeezevee wrote:Muhammad, Prophet of Islam is already in the bottom of the hell pit for all his criminal activities after the death of his first wife Khadija...
Salam AhmedBahgat., how are you doing with 3rd draft??AhmedBahgat wrote:Was Bukhari confused or lying?
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The Cat wrote:References:
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viewtopic.php?p=128211#p128211skynightblaze wrote:The sunnah of the past prophets and Sunnah of the Allah can be followed by following Muhammad
Who firmly interdicted all hadiths to be written down.
The cat wrote:skynightblaze wrote:Following hadiths wouldnt mean diverting from Allahs path unless muslims believe that muhammad was a fraud who deliberately lied in the hadiths so that muslims stray from the path of Allah.
Once again, the prophet interdicted all hadiths. They are the -much later- frauds...
The cat wrote:skynightblaze wrote:Witty Boy refuted your argument clearly and yet you are unable to accept that fact. The hadiths were initially forbidden because muhammad thought that they would be confused with quran but later it was allowed.
That's the main Muhammadan LIE which you are shamelessly parroting, disproven by HISTORY (do you know what it means?). So I've written:
Members like snb defending the hadiths are self-contradicting, stating: All Muslims are incorrigible liars but hadiths are genuine!![]()
The Cat wrote:http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/par ... 48%29.html.The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]
Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said, "Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."
Some Hadith scholars tried to imply that Muhammed changed his view about writing the hadiths. However, the following hadith, which was reported 30 years after the death of the Prophet, confirms that the Prophet Muhammed never authorized the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write but the Quran.
Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his hadith".
The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God." He said, "A book other than the book of God?" We said, "Should we talk about you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire.
In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.
There is NO revocation or abrogation VALID to that, since AGAIN history corroborates their global absence up until Ibn Hanbal.
The ahadith against the recording of ahadith are transmitted by three companions:
1. Abu Said al-Khudri
2. Abu Huraira
3. Zaid ibn Thabit
The hadith of Abu Said al Khudri had two different versions. One of them is transmitted by Abd al Rahman ibn Zaid. [Taqyid, 32]. The authorities agree unamiously that he was a weak narrator, and according to al-Hakim and Abu Nuaim, he transmitted even false hadith; and in the words of Ibn Hibban 'He used to reverse ahadith without knowing it, and he put the full isnads (chains of transmisson) for interupted ones, so he deserves to be abandoned' [Ibn Hajr, Tahdib, vi, 177].
The same Abal rahman ibn Zaid occurs in the hadith of Abu Huraira [Taqyid, 33-35]. Therefore this hadith is also weak and unacceptable.
The third companion is Zaid ibn Thabit. His hadith is Mursal. The transmitter from Zaid is al-Muttalib ibn Abdullah who did not even meet Zaid [Ibn Hajr, Tahdib, x, 179]. So this hadith is not acceptable.
Now there is only one hadith left, transmitted from Abu Said al-Khudri which reads "Do not write from me anything except the Quran and whoever has written anything from me other than the Quran should erase it"
[Baghdadi, Taqyid, 29-32; al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim, Zuhd, 72]
However, even this hadith is disputed amongst the scholars. According to al-Bukhari and others, it is the statement of Abu Said himself, that is erroneously attributed to the Prophet.
[Ibn Hajar, Fath al Bari, i, 208; al-Yamani, al-Anwar al-Kashifah, 43]
But this seems to be a hadith coming from the Prophet, and it actually meant that nothing should be written with the Quran on the same sheet, because this might lead to someone to conclude that sentances or words wirtten in the margin or between lines belonged to the Quran.
[al-Khattabi, Maalim al-Sunan, iv, 184; al-Sanani, taudih al Afkar, ii, 366]
It should be remembered that this order was given in the period when the Quran was being revealed and when the text itself was incpmplete. Otherwise there does not appear to be any sound reason to forbid the writing of hadith.
The Prophet himself sent hundreds of letters, many of them were very lengthy, containing formula for prayers and worship.
[Hamidullah, al-Walthaiq al-Siyasiyah pp 3-283]
The Cat wrote:skynightblaze wrote:the point is here we have sahih hadiths and sunan Abu dawud hadiths confirming that prohibition of writing hadiths was abrogated later.
Confirmed by who exactly? Bukhari, Dawud?Were they Messengers directly inspired by Jibril, reporting Allah?
The Cat wrote:You're loosing your time (and your credibility by the minute) when endorsing Muhammadans:
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Muhammad interdicted the Hadiths. This was respected for nearly two centuries. You don't get it, do you?
The cat wrote:skynightblaze wrote:In my previous debate I accepted your quote where muhammad said that nothing other than the quran should be written. I didnt know that this was abrogated.
Abrogated by who? Jibril, Allah? A Messenger or a prophet? Nooooops... Not even by any mutawatir (corroborated) chain of narrators.
Muhammadans, such as WittyBoy, can be fooled by their own historically proven set of lies but you're a much troubling case.
The cat wrote:If Muhammadans should emulate their prophet thoroughly, as the perfect example to be followed, then they all should be illiterate.![]()
The simple fact that they can read this, the hadiths or the Koran would thus make them all unfaithful according to their core beliefs.
well that is what people do in politics. So you only support Muslims guys when it suits you to kill Islam and insult Muslims .,lol.. right deat SKB.. lol..skynightblaze wrote:Muhammedians dont always lie. In this case Witty boy is right and thats why I am supporting him . I never supported him when he said its ok to kill apostates. Whatever is right has to be accepted.
AhmedBahgat wrote:We have seen clearly that Bukhari disobeyed the prophet according to Bukhari’s own deed, when he informed every single dick and pussy of a Muslim over 1200 years of some hadith that should have been concealed from many people and only said to a few as commanded by the prophet in his own man made book Sahih Bukhari.
WittyBoy wrote:The question now, Why did they say such hadiths? because they didn't bear to conceal something they knew from the prophet. In addition, Muaz ibn Jabal didn't say this fact only, but he honestly informed us that the prophet haven't wanted so, and told us the reason too. So, we Muslims should appreciate this honesty and don't do what the prophet(pbuh) fear of. That's all.
well that is what people do in politics. So you only support Muslim guys when it suits you to kill Islam and insult Muslims .,lol.. right dear SKB.. lol..yeezevee wrote:skynightblaze wrote:Muhammedians dont always lie. In this case Witty boy is right and thats why I am supporting him . I never supported him when he said its ok to kill apostates. Whatever is right has to be accepted.
yeezevee wrote:well that is what people do in politics. So you only support Muslims guys when it suits you to kill Islam and insult Muslims .,lol.. right deat SKB.. lol..skynightblaze wrote:Muhammedians dont always lie. In this case Witty boy is right and thats why I am supporting him . I never supported him when he said its ok to kill apostates. Whatever is right has to be accepted.
WittyBoy wrote:yeezevee wrote:well that is what people do in politics. So you only support Muslims guys when it suits you to kill Islam and insult Muslims .,lol.. right deat SKB.. lol..skynightblaze wrote:Muhammedians dont always lie. In this case Witty boy is right and thats why I am supporting him . I never supported him when he said its ok to kill apostates. Whatever is right has to be accepted.
I interpreted it the same way, we all know that by denying hadiths, a huge number of claims against Islam would be destroyed, but i still appreciated his opinion.
yeezevee wrote:well that is what people do in politics. So you only support Muslims guys when it suits you to kill Islam and insult Muslims .,lol.. right deat SKB.. lol..skynightblaze wrote:Muhammedians dont always lie. In this case Witty boy is right and thats why I am supporting him . I never supported him when he said its ok to kill apostates. Whatever is right has to be accepted.
skynightblaze wrote:Yeeke how important do you consider the truth?
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