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Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:06 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
piscohot wrote:In fact, the muslims were allowed to do pilgrimage even though they at war with each other. But the minute Muhamamd gain power in Mecca, the first thing he did was to destroy the other stones.
Which brings the real intention of Muhammad from the day of his preaching Islam to the surface- getting rid of all other religions. Hence we can see all the revelations about 'No comuplsion in religion'and 'to your your religion and to me mine' were nothing but lies to put non muslims off guard until Muhammad was strong enough to do carry out his plans.
The Meccans foolishly entered into a 10 year agreement with the Muslims where the Meccans would let the Muslims pilgrimage to the Kaaba once per year for three days while they left the city. This worked out fine the first year, but the second year when the Muslims returned for pilgrimage, there were now 10,000 of them and all armed. so the second pilgrimage was actually an invasion. Now Muhammad had all sorts of excuses about Meccans helping someone else, but there were really invented excuses to breach a treaty he never intended on keeping in the first place for one second longer than he had to.

Did Muhammad ever intend to keep that treaty for all 10 years when he entered into it??? Of course not. This was the first practice of "hudna" and this is where it came from. Hudna is a Muslim concept that allows one to enter into treaties with the enemies so as to gain time to build up and lull them into a false sense of security. As the 20% profit himself even said "War is Deception", and this is precisely what he was practicing. Do you think it would ever be acceptable for Allah's messenger and his people to have to "borrow" the Kaaba for only a few days if it could be taken altogether instead?? So the moment Muhammad had a large enough army, out comes the excuse and then the invasion. He never had one single intention of keeping that treaty for 10 years and in fact, he couldn't have had that intention because the moment he gets strong enough, Allah would require him to take the Kaaba whether the full 10 years has elapsed or not. So when he represented himself as accepting a 10 year period, he was clearly lying as he even knew when he entered into the agreement, that 10 years would never be acceptable. So he bought time to build up and didn't waste a second conquering the moment he was strong enough. The Meccans were fools and therefore were deceived.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:42 am
by sum
Hello Ghalibkhastahaal

Your quote -
Muhammad was a Messenger of God. So were others before him. He was not on a forum. His job was to deliver the Message and he did. He was kicked out by the Kafirs, so how could he have wiped them out.

His best chance to wipe the Meccans out, was when he made his triumphal entry into Mecca. Did he wipe them out? Was there any massive slaughter?


Where are the Jews, Christians and Pagans now in Mecca? What happened to them?

sum

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:06 am
by zamie
ghla, i hear this quote of yours all the time. Poor muhammad was discriminated and kicked out of mecca. That is absolute BS. If i were to march into mecca, oh wait, i can't even march in there, but let's just assume i did.. So if i marched into mecca and started preachign christianty ontop of the kabba, and started destroyong your pagan rock, how long would i live? 10 second? 5 SECONDS? Now ask yourself, how long did muhammd live in mecca?

So sir, which religion is more tolerant? The meccan's or islam?

Oh, but i guess that muhammad was protected by allah. Well would it not have been easier and less cruel for allah to use his magic to turn the meccans into muslims, instead of allowing mohammed to hijack caravans? besides from this, this scenario simply shows your religion and your god to be intolerant. A poor guy just wants to preach his faith in mecca but allah can't even protect him and will let him die? Your god is sick. Even humans have more compassion than your god.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:39 pm
by Ghalibkhastahaal
sum wrote:Hello Ghalibkhastahaal

Your quote -
Muhammad was a Messenger of God. So were others before him. He was not on a forum. His job was to deliver the Message and he did. He was kicked out by the Kafirs, so how could he have wiped them out.

His best chance to wipe the Meccans out, was when he made his triumphal entry into Mecca. Did he wipe them out? Was there any massive slaughter?


Where are the Jews, Christians and Pagans now in Mecca? What happened to them?

sum
Nothing happened to them.

The Jews ran away. Some accepted Islam. Most of the Christians also accepted Islam. The Meccans also accepted Islam and lived happily ever after as a Muslims. The Christians can be found living in condominium compounds now. They do not pay any tax and Jizya. Lucky guys.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:55 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
sum wrote:Hello Ghalibkhastahaal

Your quote -
Muhammad was a Messenger of God. So were others before him. He was not on a forum. His job was to deliver the Message and he did. He was kicked out by the Kafirs, so how could he have wiped them out.

His best chance to wipe the Meccans out, was when he made his triumphal entry into Mecca. Did he wipe them out? Was there any massive slaughter?


Where are the Jews, Christians and Pagans now in Mecca? What happened to them?

sum
Nothing happened to them.

The Jews ran away. Some accepted Islam. Most of the Christians also accepted Islam.
Who gave you that idea? Most Christians rejected Islam. Who lies to you like this?

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:58 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote: They do not pay any tax and Jizya. Lucky guys.
Why don't you tell us the reason Christians live in "compounds" and don't pay any tax. Your statement is a little incomplete.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:02 pm
by Ghalibkhastahaal
zamie wrote:ghla, i hear this quote of yours all the time. Poor muhammad was discriminated and kicked out of mecca. That is absolute BS. If i were to march into mecca, oh wait, i can't even march in there, but let's just assume i did.. So if i marched into mecca and started preachign christianty ontop of the kabba, and started destroyong your pagan rock, how long would i live? 10 second? 5 SECONDS? Now ask yourself, how long did muhammd live in mecca?

So sir, which religion is more tolerant? The meccan's or islam?

Oh, but i guess that muhammad was protected by allah. Well would it not have been easier and less cruel for allah to use his magic to turn the meccans into muslims, instead of allowing mohammed to hijack caravans? besides from this, this scenario simply shows your religion and your god to be intolerant. A poor guy just wants to preach his faith in mecca but allah can't even protect him and will let him die? Your god is sick. Even humans have more compassion than your god.
How very human of you, Zamie! Btw, you will not be allowed to enter the boundaries of Makka. The answer to your question, is Islam.
If you guys were let loose, you would be worse than those Meccans

Here is the pagan Meccan's Deen-e-Makka as prescribed by the warring tribal leaders and idolaters:

1. Thou shall have 365 idols for us, one for everyday.

2. Thou shall steal and rob.

3. Thou shall have no morality.

4. Thou shall drink and gamble.

5. Thou shall inherit all women on the demise of your father, except the woman, who bore you.

6. Thou shall emulate the Jews and practice usury to make the rich, richer and to make the poor poorer.

7. Thou shall be friends with the Jews and the Christians.

8. Thou shall bury a newborn female in the sand openly.

9. Thou shall help a murderer or a robber of your tribe, who has murdered or looted another of a different tribe.

10: Thou shall keep on fighting and warring for the sake of fighting and warring. (Note: An important clause that impressed the Westerners.

11. Thou shall buy swords only from the Jews, who had mastery in making swords.

12. Thou shall trade women and slaves freely.

13. Women, who pedal sex, shall fly a flag, over their houses.

14. Thou shall have no restraint.

15. Thou shall not believe in the God marketed by the Jews and the Christians.

This should suffice.

You may now recite the Meccan Kafir's shahadah: "I, Zamie, hereby declare that there is no God but there are only 365 gods of Mecca". Sounds like a Westerner's religion. Doesn't it?

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:08 pm
by Ghalibkhastahaal
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote: They do not pay any tax and Jizya. Lucky guys.
Why don't you tell us the reason Christians live in "compounds" and don't pay any tax. Your statement is a little incomplete.
They do not want to mix up with the locals and do not integrate well. They keep aloof. They live in luxurious condominiums and prefer to stay within their compounds. There is no income tax, so they don't have to worry about paying an income tax.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:17 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote: They do not pay any tax and Jizya. Lucky guys.
Why don't you tell us the reason Christians live in "compounds" and don't pay any tax. Your statement is a little incomplete.
They do not want to mix up with the locals and do not integrate well. They keep aloof. They live in luxurious condominiums and prefer to stay within their compounds. There is no income tax, so they don't have to worry about paying an income tax.
Where is this at?

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:59 pm
by sum
Hello Ghalibkhastahaal

Can Jews, Christians and Pagans be full citizens of Saudi Arabia?

sum

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:29 am
by Ghalibkhastahaal
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Where is this at?
In the oil-rich Muslim states.

Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy?

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:30 am
by Ghalibkhastahaal
sum wrote:Hello Ghalibkhastahaal

Can Jews, Christians and Pagans be full citizens of Saudi Arabia?

sum
No. They do not even grant full citizenship to Muslims from other countries.