iffo wrote:Sex with the captive girl is permissive in Quran, so we don't call it adultery.
Ahmed Bagaht said
And who is 'we'?
Ahmed the answer is
1.5 billion muslim - One Egyption Nut = you do the math
And again, this verse should put those confused horny Muslims like iffo who desire to freely fuk women from among Ma Malakat Ayman to shame, as the verse above is talking about a legal marriage relation between men and Ma Malakat Ayman, if fuking Ma Malakat Ayman was ordained freely in the Quran as those perverts of Muslims like iffo allege
Ahmed you little dickhead using the word Fuk Fuk like people who say sex is permissive with slaves are saying you can just grab her hand and fuk her whenever you want,force her to have sex with you. That's your own dirty mind talking. Sex is only permissible, by no mean it means you can force yourself onto any poor girl whether she is willing or not. That will be torture of imense level and slaves are called our brothers how can we do that to them. We are suppose to take care of them, feed them what we eat, clothed them what we wear.
Who the fu*k told you to come up with all these things and say that's what others are saying or thinking.
It seems to me that most Muslims are confused about what Ma Malakat Ayman means. They interpret it literally as: What the right hands possess, which I don’t oppose at all, however I see another literal meaning for it, which is: What the oath possess, this should not cause any conflict between my literal understanding and theirs concerning the aspect of ‘Possessing/Owning’ for the following logical reason:
Not most muslims Baghat all muslim for last 1400 years, till one nut from Australia comes with his own interpertation saying it means oath posseses.
why Allah did not say oath if he meant oath, that we had to wait 1400 years for this Australian to explain it to us.
Right hand possese means slaves ( including POWs or slaves that you always had) . Its that simple, not maids or regular servants living with you and working for
you. Ofcourse they are all needy poor people you have to be nice, kind, loving and gentle to them all, they are like part of the family nobody is debating that. Baghat tell something new.
Their hand possessing of humans has no rules or restrictions or moralities or principals, knowing that we humans are all equal in the sight of Allah when it comes to judgement. On the other hand, my oath possessing will be restricted under the common laws of moralities
hahaha brother you are right here, this oath possesing is only yours ............ haha
, I think I like this Baghat, makes me laugh
In a way we should all take oath of been nice and loving to poor/needy who work for us, but quran when say "right hand possesses" is not talking about any oath.
The Quran never ever allowed fuking Ma Malakat Ayman without marriage; however the marriage is a non written marriage but still consensual, like the de facto
relationships in the west.
Sorry thats "consensual marrage" is your own story. One can make 100 such stories and interpetations like that, there is no end to it.
1- first you made all this oath story to take care of poor, weak, needy woman in love...........
2. Then you further enhanced the story saying ........ they have consensual marrage with each other, not actual marriage on paper but marriage in minds/hearts ......a .wedlock. Same thing that millions of people have in west and punks like yourself call it adultery and fornication, but here you are ok with it, especially brother Eagle... but that's a different story..... I
3. Then you did not stop there in making story, other story that it was not even consensual marriage but actual marriage, as below
This is the fact the most Muslims ignorantly misunderstand, that sex with Ma Malakat Ayman is only after marrying them as explained in 4:25.
Congratulation your lie completed here, its was a gradual process but you managed to do it.
You are using 4.25 which is saying what we all know that quran say you can marry slaves girls in possession as well. It has nothing to do with not having sex with them thing before marriage
And whoever among you cannot afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women
And your explanation is
if Muslim men are allowed to freely fuk Ma Malakat Ayman, why the hell we are commanded to marry from among them?
Again your dirty old mind according to you marriage is all about funcking, you saying if you have already had sex what 'sthe point getting married, see how crazy you are. This way nobody should marry in west as people have sex before marriage, but they do get married because they are in love. idiot talking dumb stuff.
Another dumb stuff you quote this
O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer (Isha); (these are) three times of privacy for you.
Firstly, those Ma Malakat Ayman cannot be captives of war, because they are living in the same house as their masters. In addition to that, if sex is allowed freely with them, why the hell they need to take permission to enter upon their masters just in case their masters removed their cloths to rest? I guess their masters fuk them naked, right you confused and pervert of horny Muslim?
it pretty simple. you been eating grass for iftar so brain cells are dying, that's the problem. Slave use to freely move in the house as they were part of the family.
And not everybody was having sex with their female slaves like dickhead you are thinking and accusing. You been told thousands time it was just permissive, does not mean everybody wass doing it.So if with a slave girl you have no physical relation it make no sense she coming to your room while AhmedBagat is butt naked lying on bed shamlessly :-), see brother that was that difficult was it?
Let me wrap it up, oath, wedlock, no marriage first then sex.......... cut the crape...ok ........ quit lying to yourself. I have nothing to gain to prove yoy wrong but you making stories which is not good.
Punishment your deserve for this is I should put you on the back of kangaroo and send you back where ever you came from
...... Now promise no more stories