Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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pr126 wrote:AhmedBahgat is only lying to himself.

Damn those scriptures, they are a liability. They put Islam in bad light. Let's reject the hadiths, and the sira.
Unfortunately he cannot reject the Quran, I am sure he would if he could.

So what is there to do?
Well, he takes the Quranic verses, twist and turn them, lie about them, make things up, change what it means completely to suit his agenda.

Such as the "right hand possession" in Quran 4:24 does not mean a captive slave.
It is a booty, acquired in battle, but it is not a prisoner of war, not a captive slave.

As to what it really is, he doesn't say.

So what does it mean then, Ahmed?
That is a good point., I forgot to add the translation of that 4.24 verse from that "LYING ROBOT QURAN" let me put that here for the sake of comparison..

وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاء إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ كِتَابَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَاء ذَلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَالِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُم بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا (24)

And (prohibited to you) are the protected from among the women, except those whom your oaths possess. (This is) a decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are what is beyond these, that you seek protection (for them) with your wealth not fornicating. And for whatever you enjoyed from them, give them their rewards, an obligation (from Allah). And there should be no blame upon you for what you mutually agreed to beyond the obligation. Indeed, ever is Allah Knowing, Wise.
oaths possess.....oaths possess......oaths possess..,,oaths .....oaths ....ooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. .......fox cries,, lol., But I wonder how he came with the word 'Oaths posses"

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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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except those whom your oaths possess
I must admit, it is an inventive interpretation, I doubt anyone come across this one, apart from Ahmed.

If his new program of (re)interpreting the Quran is in a similar vein, it should be interesting, not to say heretic. :prop:
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Salam all

Today’s slam dunk is going to be a long one but worthy of slamming, in today’s show I will slam dunk both the Kafirs and their fellow confused Muslims, so we should have a good show in hand. The subject is about ‘if the Quran allows fuking the captives of wars, or the prisoners of wars’; for simplicity, I will refer to them as POWs.

It seems to me that most Muslims are confused about what ما ملكت ايمان , Ma Malakat Ayman means. They interpret it literally as: What the right hands possess, which I don’t oppose at all, however I see another literal meaning for it, which is: What the oath possess, this should not cause any conflict between my literal understanding and theirs concerning the aspect of ‘Possessing/Owning’ for the following logical reason:

Their understanding implies (metaphorically) owning someone by the right hand.

And:

My understanding implies (metaphorically) owning someone by taking an oath.

On the other hand my understanding and theirs conflict in one major issue:

Their understating can easily be manipulated to imply owning a person and do whatever they want with such person, for example, enslaving such person, or fuking that person anytime they wish. A weird consequence which certainly contradicts the teaching of the Quran.

My understanding however makes great sense and certainly complies with the teaching of the Quran. Simply, my understating implies taking an oath in front of Allah to care for a weak person who is deprived from all means of living needs.

In fact if possessing is meant to be only by hands and not by an oath, then I say, possessing by an oath still lead to possessing by hands but under the restrictions of the oath taken before Allah. The restriction is simply to care for that person.

Their hand possessing of humans has no rules or restrictions or moralities or principals, knowing that we humans are all equal in the sight of Allah when it comes to judgement. On the other hand, my oath possessing will be restricted under the common laws of moralities and while Allah being sought to be Witnessing such possession of a poor and needy human who will be taken care of and will be provided with all means of living.

Also their understanding of possessing human by hands renders the context of the words ما ملكت ايمان to explicitly mean Prisoners of wars, i.e. after a war, you end up owning a few prisoners of war. On the other hand, the Quran explicitly referred to the prisoners of war using the common and explicit Arabic word for it, let’s have a look shall we:

مَا كَانَ لِنَبِيٍّ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ أَسْرَى حَتَّى يُثْخِنَ فِي الأَرْضِ تُرِيدُونَ عَرَضَ الدُّنْيَا وَاللّهُ يُرِيدُ الآخِرَةَ وَاللّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ (67)
It is not for a prophet to have prisoners of war unless he has triumphed in the land; you desire the commodity of this world, while Allah desires the hereafter. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 8:67]

-> See the explicit word for ’Prisoners of war’: مَا كَانَ لِنَبِيٍّ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ أَسْرَى حَتَّى يُثْخِنَ فِي الأَرْضِ , i.e. It is not for a prophet to have prisoners of war unless he has triumphed in the land. I.e. Prisoner of war means أَسْرَى , Asraa in Arabic.

The Prisoners of war are mentioned again in the same sura:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّمَن فِي أَيْدِيكُم مِّنَ الأَسْرَى إِن يَعْلَمِ اللّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ خَيْرًا يُؤْتِكُمْ خَيْرًا مِّمَّا أُخِذَ مِنكُمْ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ (70)
O Prophet! Say to whoever is in your hands from among the prisoners of war: If Allah knows good in your hearts, He will give you better than that which has been taken from you and He will forgive you. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[Al Quran ; 8:70]

-> See: قُل لِّمَن فِي أَيْدِيكُم مِّنَ الأَسْرَى , i.e. Say to whoever is in your hands from among the prisoners of war, this is very important verse, because the hands are mentioned metaphorically to refer to the prisoners of war as being controlled by hands, not POSSESSED/OWNED by hands, see فِي أَيْدِيكُم مِّنَ الأَسْرَى , in your hands from among the prisoners of war , not ما ملكت ايديكم من الاسرى , i.e. not what your hands possessed from among the prisoners of war. This verse clearly proves that the prisoners of wars may only be a sub category from ما ملكت ايمان , i.e. the POWS may be a sub category from What the oath possess, or as the confused Muslims like to call it:What your right hands possess. Consequently it is a sub category that must adhere to the general rule of what your oath possess, which is to take care of such weak person, who is in our case happen to be a prisoner of war. This fact is confirmed in the following verse in which Allah generally talked about an anonymous prisoner of war, in the following verses Allah is talking about the good believers, describing them and what they should be doing, so I am going to walk you through a few verses before and after the verse where the anonymous prisoner of war is mentioned:

5: Indeed, the righteous will drink of a cup whose taste is Kafur (something that is delicious).
6: A spring of which the servants of Allah will drink; they make it to gush forth with gushing.
7: They fulfil the vows, and they fear a day whose evil will be spread.
8: And they give food out of love for Him, to the poor and the orphan and the prisoner of war.
9: (Saying:) We only feed you for the face of Allah; we do not want from you reward or thanks.


إِنَّ الْأَبْرَارَ يَشْرَبُونَ مِنْ كَأْسٍ كَانَ مِزَاجُهَا كَافُورًا (5)
عَيْنًا يَشْرَبُ بِهَا عِبَادُ اللَّهِ يُفَجِّرُونَهَا تَفْجِيرًا (6)
يُوفُونَ بِالنَّذْرِ وَيَخَافُونَ يَوْمًا كَانَ شَرُّهُ مُسْتَطِيرًا (7)
وَيُطْعِمُونَ الطَّعَامَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِ مِسْكِينًا وَيَتِيمًا وَأَسِيرًا (8)
إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُكُمْ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ لَا نُرِيدُ مِنْكُمْ جَزَاءً وَلَا شُكُورًا (9)

[Al Quran ; 76:5-9]

-> These verses are compelling in proving that the good treatment of the poor and needy and POWs who all are sub categories falling under those who are possessed by an oath or by hands in order to care for them, has to be dedicated to Allah under the oath taken, See:

Indeed, the righteous will drink of a cup whose taste is Kafur
A spring of which the servants of Allah will drink; they make it to gush forth with gushing.
They fulfil the vows, and they fear a day whose evil will be spread.
And they give food out of love for Him, to the poor and the orphan and the prisoner of war.



-> See how they ended saying that they only take care of them just to please Allah while at the same time they are not waiting from those poor or needy or POWs to pay the favours back: (Saying:) We only feed you for the face of Allah; we do not want from you reward or thanks. Certainly having sex with them should be considered paying the favour back, which should never happen with any pious Muslim, because a pious Muslim take care of the needy, poor and POW without waiting for the favour to be paid back to them in whatever way.

-> And certainly the POW is referred to explicitly using the clear Arabic word meaning so: أَسِيرًا , Asira, i.e. Prisoner of war.

The above should be the first part of the slam, in which I proved the following:

>> ‘Prisoners of war’ (plural) means in Arabic أَسْرَى , Asraa
>> ‘Prisoner of war’ (singular) means in Arabic أَسِير , Asir

But before I move on to the second part of the slam which tackles the issue of the meaning of Ma Malakat Ayman as explained in Quran, let me check the above two Arabic words under Google online translator:

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How compelling, therefore Ma Malakat Ayman can never mean Prisoners or Captives, at least from the Quran context point of view because the Quran used the explicit word for Prisoners or captives three times in the Quran and in both plural and singular forms. Now, let’s move on to the second part of the slam:

The problem here for many confused Muslims is this: They consider the words Ma Malakat Ayman to explicitly mean prisoners of wars, they also wrongly defend a clear cut lie that Quran allows having sex (without marriage) with the prisoners of wars, see what this confused Muslim said on http://www.faithfreedom.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:

The supposedly Muslim iffo alleged on FFI:

Sex with the captive girl is permissive in Quran, so we don't call it adultery.
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Now, these are the sort of crap by the confused Muslims that really pisses me off, to come on anti Islam web sites and promote their crap then illogically defend it with nothing but rubbish and non sense. See his crap apology above: we don't call it adultery.

So what do you call it, you stupid confused horny Muslim punk?

Foreplay?

Orgy?

So I had to intervene and ask that confused Muslim:

Ahmed said to iffo:
Where is that in the Quran? Do you mind showing me?

And who is 'we'?
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And this is what he replied with:

iffo said to Ahmed:
@AB

You know which verse I am talking about.
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Which is nothing but a poor and stupid reply by one who talks as if he knows what he is talking about concerning Quran, so I had to change the attitude a bit to make him walk his crap:

Ahmed said to iffo:
Oh please, stop mocking around, I dont mock around

You said the Quran allows fuking the CAPTIVE OF WARS,

Now I am telling you that I never read a verse in Quran allowing fuking CAPTIVES OF WARS, so the onus on you mister Muslim to bloody show me where I read in Quran the permission to fuk the CAPTIVES OF WARS

Put up, or shut the fuk up
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See, this stupid confused Muslim like so many confused Muslims are missing a vital part concerning Ma Malakat Ayman, such vital part is simply this:

The Quran never ever allowed fuking Ma Malakat Ayman without marriage; however the marriage is a non written marriage but still consensual, like the de facto relationships in the west. However the Quran also encourages making such marriage written for which the wife from Ma Malakat Ayman will be entitled to all the rights of a wife that is not from Ma Malakat Ayman. Yet such wife from Ma Malakat Ayman must keep her previous status of being from Ma Malakat Ayman. This is very important because if such wife from Ma Malakat Ayman commits adultery after being married, then she should be punished with half the punishment of a wife who is not from Ma Malakat Ayman according to the following verse:


وَمَن لَّمْ يَسْتَطِعْ مِنكُمْ طَوْلاً أَن يَنكِحَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ فَمِن مِّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُم مِّن فَتَيَاتِكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَانِكُمْ بَعْضُكُم مِّن بَعْضٍ فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أَهْلِهِنَّ وَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ مُحْصَنَاتٍ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحَاتٍ وَلاَ مُتَّخِذَاتِ أَخْدَانٍ فَإِذَا أُحْصِنَّ فَإِنْ أَتَيْنَ بِفَاحِشَةٍ فَعَلَيْهِنَّ نِصْفُ مَا عَلَى الْمُحْصَنَاتِ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ ذَلِكَ لِمَنْ خَشِيَ الْعَنَتَ مِنْكُمْ وَأَن تَصْبِرُواْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ (25)

And whoever among you cannot afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women. And Allah is most Knowing of your oaths between yourselves; so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their rewards lawfully if they seek protection (for themselves) not fornicating or receiving paramours. And if they protect themselves (through marriage) then commit an indecency, then upon them is half the torture which should be upon the protected women. That is for one who fears affliction from among you. And if you are patient, it is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[Al Quran ; 4:25]

-> See above how the Quran encourages Muslim men who cannot afford marrying from the wealthy and free women to marry from among Ma Malakat Ayman (who covers the poor, needy weak and POWs):

وَمَن لَّمْ يَسْتَطِعْ مِنكُمْ طَوْلاً أَن يَنكِحَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ فَمِن مِّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُم مِّن فَتَيَاتِكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ

i.e.

And whoever among you cannot afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women.

Therefore the relationship between Muslim men and Ma Malakat Aymanihum as encouraged by the Quran is you legally marry them. This should put those confused and horny Muslims like iffo to shame, because if Muslim men are allowed to freely fuk Ma Malakat Ayman, why the hell we are commanded to marry from among them?

On the same verse, we also read how is commanding us to make sure that those weak women from Ma Malakat Ayman are sincerely desiring marriage, as well taking the permission from their families before marriage, as well, paying to them all their rights , see:

فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أَهْلِهِنَّ وَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ مُحْصَنَاتٍ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحَاتٍ وَلاَ مُتَّخِذَاتِ أَخْدَانٍ

I.e.

so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their rewards lawfully if they seek protection (for themselves) not fornicating or receiving paramours.

We are certainly talking in here legal marriage with all its legal requirements:

1- The permission of their families
2- The desire and sincerity for marriage by both the man and the woman from Ma Malakat Ayman
3- Paying the dowries to the woman from Ma Malakat Ayman

What is also important is the fact the their status of being from Ma Malakat Ayman has to be well known to all especially after marriage, the reason for that is clearly explained in the same verse, see:

فَإِذَا أُحْصِنَّ فَإِنْ أَتَيْنَ بِفَاحِشَةٍ فَعَلَيْهِنَّ نِصْفُ مَا عَلَى الْمُحْصَنَاتِ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ

I.e.

And if they protect themselves (through marriage) then commit an indecency, then upon them is half the torture which should be upon the protected women.

That is why stoning to death can never be a punishment in Islam to any crime of indecency, because any wife from Ma Malakat Ayman who commits indecency after marriage should be punished with half the punishment of a wife from among the well supported women (free women) who commits an act of indecency.

This is the fact the most Muslims ignorantly misunderstand, that sex with Ma Malakat Ayman is only after marrying them as explained in 4:25

4:25 is not the only verse that encourages men to marry from among Ma Malakat Ayman (the weak, needy, desperate, poor and captive women), so let’s look at another verse in the same sura:

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ (3)
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans, then marry those who please you from the women, two and three and four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then (marry) one or what your oaths possess; that is better than having dependants.
[Al Quran ; 4:3]

-> Marrying one woman should be the common law in Islam, however for those who strive to adhere to the words of Allah, then marrying one woman should be the only option available, this is because marrying 4 women is condition by being fair between all of them as stated above, however because men will never be fair between women as stated in another verse in the same sura (4:129), then they should marry only one woman, such woman can only be either one from the free and well supported women OR from Ma Malakat Ayman, see:

فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ

I.e.

But if you fear that you will not be just, then (marry) one or what your oaths possess;

And again, this verse should put those confused horny Muslims like iffo who desire to freely fuk women from among Ma Malakat Ayman to shame, as the verse above is talking about a legal marriage relation between men and Ma Malakat Ayman, if fuking Ma Malakat Ayman was ordained freely in the Quran as those perverts of Muslims like iffo allege, then the part of 4:3 above should be like this:

فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً و مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ

I.e.

But if you fear that you will not be just, then (marry) one AND what your oaths possess;

I.e. Marry the free woman and freely fuk one from Ma Malakat Ayman (the poor woman), which makes absolutely no sense, and certainly a man who does that must be committing adultery contrary to what the horny and freak pervert of a Muslim iffo alleged, see again what he spewed:

The supposedly Muslim iffo alleged on FFI:

Sex with the captive girl is permissive in Quran, so we don't call it adultery.
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Can you see that this stupid confused punk of a horny Muslim is talking on behalf of all Muslims, see: we don't call it adultery.

I tell him again, no, you horny Muslim, this is a clear cut case of adultery. So if you want to fuk a poor woman from Ma Malakat Ayman, you must marry her first as you have been commanded by God twice in 4:3 & 4:25

And again, another verse in Quran encouraging marrying from Ma Malakat Ayman:

وَلْيَسْتَعْفِفِ الَّذِينَ لَا يَجِدُونَ نِكَاحًا حَتَّىٰ يُغْنِيَهُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۗ وَالَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْرًا ۖ وَآتُوهُمْ مِنْ مَالِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي آتَاكُمْ ۚ وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ وَمَنْ يُكْرِهْهُنَّ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ مِنْ بَعْدِ إِكْرَاهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ (33)
And let those, who do not find (means of) marriage, be chaste until Allah enrich them out of His grace. And those who ask for the book (of marriage) from among those whom your oaths possess, make a (marriage) contract with them if you know in them goodness, and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your young women to prostitution, if they desire protection (though marriage), to seek thereby the span of the life of this world; and whoever compels them, then indeed, Allah is, after their compulsion, Forgiving, Merciful.
[Al Quran ; 24:33]

See: وَالَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْرًا ۖ وَآتُوهُمْ مِنْ مَالِ اللَّهِ

I.e.

And those who ask for the book (of marriage) from among those whom your oaths possess, make a (marriage) contract with them if you know in them goodness, and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you.

Another verse that should keep those horny and confused Muslim in shame; see, if we are allowed to fuk Ma Malakat Ayamn freely, why Allah commands us to marry them three times so far?

Well, the Quran is full of verses confirming that Ma Malakat Ayman are not the captives or wars. But even if they are (wrongly assuming to satisfy iffo flawed argument), fuking them freely is not allowed, rather we have to marry them first before we touch them. Therefore iffo the confused Muslim and his fellow kafirs have absolutely no argument.

If you remember that I asked iffo to support his lies from the Quran, however when I did so, one of the FFI kafirs quickly posted the following as if it supports fuking the POWs:

Kafir pr126 of FFI said to Ahmed:
Quran 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
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See what I am talking about, they spewed crap and lies about the Quran and POWs, then I ask them to show me such Quran verse about POWs, they bring to me a Quran verse talking about Ma Malakat Ayman, funny indeed, so I replied to such jerk of an FFI kafir:

Ahmed said to kafir pr126:
Well, I did not ask you, however I will allow your answer, as a matter of courtesy. But the verse above never mentioned CAPTIVES OF WARS?

Are you drunk or something? Can't you concentrate while reading the words written by others?

iffo alleged the Quran allows fuking the CAPTIVES OF WARS, so I asked him to show the verse in Quran allowing fuking the CAPTIVES OF WARS

Now what you brought in does not mention any CAPTIVE OF WARS, rather it says "according to the flawed translation you brought in "whom your right hands possess". Therefore is your stupid argument that whom your right hands possess are CAPTIVES OF WARS? Well, then you need to elaborate and tell me what is the Arabic word for CAPTIVES OF WARS, and what exactly whom your right hands possess mean? And why not whom your left hands possess, and where exactly the verse said FUKING IS ALLOWED?
Back to you mister
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So he came back with more crap, see:

Kafir pr126 of FFI said to Ahmed:
“Sirat e Rasulullah” by Ibn Ishaq, p. 464:

After 800-900 male adults of Bani Quraiza were beheaded in batches, and thrown in trenches dug in Madina, the apostle divided their property, wives and children as booty… He took Rayhana d. Amr b. Khunafa for himself.
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Funny indeed, I am asking them to show me where the QURAN allows fuking the POWs, they bring to me hearsay crap from what they call sirat Abn Ishaq, or Ibn Hisham or Ibn Wiskhah, which makes no difference, all are not Quran, and I am asking about Quran verse, how stupid these kafirs are. So I replied:

Ahmed said to kafir pr126:
You must be certainly drunk and possibly on strong medication as well

Again mister drunk:

1- iffo alleged QURAN ALLOWS FUKING THE POWs
2- I asked him to show the QURAN VERSE STATING SO
3- You bloody volunteered on his stupid arse behalf and showed me 4:24 which:

a- Never mentioned the POWs
b- Never mentioned fuking

Then I bloody asked you to elaborate by answering the following questions:

i- Are whom your right hands possess ‘CAPTIVES OF WARS’?
ii- What is the Arabic word for CAPTIVES OF WARS?
iii- What exactly whom your right hands possess mean? And why not whom your left hands possess?
iv- Where exactly the verse said FUKING IS ALLOWED?

Then you bloody come and quote some hearsay from man made books called sirat Jerry Springer?

Look pal, I have no time to waste, you should consider yourself lucky that I am currently dialoguing with you at 4:15 AM instead of dismissing you, however I will give one more chance to continue the dialogue that you initiated voluntarily and answer the damn questions above; but as for the crap inadmissible hearsay evidence you provided, you may shove it in iffo’s arse
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As you can see that I am very hard on the suppose to be my Muslim brother iffo, but again, this freak came on anti Islam web site designed to only attack Islam then spew his ignorance that Quran allows fuking the POWs. Certainly I must be very hard on him, I am not going to be the babysitter of all those confused Muslims who should have learnt their religion from the Quran as I did instead of parroting the same satanic crap established by most of Al-Mushrikoon over the years that fuking the POWs is allowed in Quran. So iffo fell in my trap and replied to me, I was really hoping that he shows me that verse in Quran where it allows fuking the POWs:, let’s see what he had to say:

iffo said to Ahmed:
@AB

I don't like to use foul language in Ramadan like you doing unless someone really force me to, and you will regret then, because I have the potential to be very nasty. Take manners 101 and then come and talk to me.
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So I replied to iffo.

Ahmed said to iffo:
Good, you sound like me, I don't like to use foul language in Ramadan unless someone really forces me to. And guess fukin what? You forced me with your crap and confusion to come here spewing the lie that Quran allows fuking the captives of wars

Where the fuk FUKING is mentioned? So for you when the Quran says: 'Allowed to you that woman or this woman or whatever woman', it means for a confused freak like you, that: ‘Allowed to you fuking this woman or that woman or whatever woman’ ?

Why not: 'Allowed to you marrying this woman or that woman or whatever woman’ ?

And btw, I never regret anything; in fact those who fall in my net always end up the regretful

Tell me again you confused liar, WHERE EXACTLY THE QURAN ALLOWED FUKING THE CAPTIVES OF WARS? PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUK UP
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One of the confused and ignorant kafirs of FFI volunteered to elaborate on the other kafirs behalf, let’s see what he had to say:

Yohan of FFI alleged:
‘Right hand possess’ meant ‘captured in war’. This narration also shows the origin of many of the Koranic verses.[/quote]

So I said to him:
Obviously you are a clear cut ignorant you who do not know what you are talking about, however I am going to bed now, but tomorrow inshallah will slam dunk you with slam dunk # 93, I always wanted a clown like you in my show. Good night, clown
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As you can see that his ignorance was refuted before, but I am going to refute it further, rather let the Quran refute it further with so many verses about what the right hands possess (as they like to translate it), and we should see that they cannot be captives of war, rather almost members of the same family:

وَقُلْ لِلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا ۖ وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُولِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَىٰ عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاءِ ۖ وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِنْ زِينَتِهِنَّ ۚ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ (31)
And say to the believing women to lower their visions and guard their private parts and not show their adornment except what appears thereof. And let them draw their veils over their bosoms and not show their adornment except to their husbands or their fathers or the fathers of their husbands or their sons or the sons of their husbands or their brothers or the sons of their brothers or the sons of their sisters or their women or those whom their oaths possess or the attendants of men who do not have need (for women) or the children who are not aware of the private parts of women. And let them (the believing women) not strike their legs to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And repent to Allah, all of you , O believers, that perhaps you will succeed.
[Al Quran ; 24:31]

-> The above verse is compelling because it is talking about Muslim women who have Ma Malakat Ayman, see:

وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ

I.e.

And let them draw their veils over their bosoms and not show their adornment except to their husbands or their fathers or the fathers of their husbands or their sons or the sons of their husbands or their brothers or the sons of their brothers or the sons of their sisters or their women or those whom their oaths possess

Obviously Ma Malakat Ayman above cannot be captives of war because the verse is allowing the Muslim women to expose their adornment to Ma Malakat Aymanihunna. Also according to the stupid and confused understanding of most horny Muslims, then Muslim women are allowed to fuk males from Ma Malakat Ayman.

The above verse proves that an oath was taken by those Muslim women to care for some weak, needy and poor people and they have become so close in the family that Muslim women are even allowed to show their adornment to them.

A very important point is this, if any POW is poor and needy, then he or she may be Ma Malakat Ayman if a Muslim man or woman took an oath before Allah to care for that person, however in that case the POW status has changed from POW to Ma Malakat Ayman, consequently all the rules of Allah concerning Ma Malakat Ayman should apply to him or her.

Here is another verse talking about the wives of the prophet, the mothers of the believers, the verse is telling us the same as was said about the believing women in 24:31,

لَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِنَّ فِي آبَائِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَائِهِنَّ وَلَا إِخْوَانِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَاءِ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَاءِ أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ وَلَا نِسَائِهِنَّ وَلَا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ ۗ وَاتَّقِينَ اللَّهَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدًا (55)
There is no blame upon them concerning their fathers or their brothers or the sons of their brothers or the sons of their sisters or their women or those possessed by their oaths. And fear Allah; indeed, ever is Allah, over everything, Witness.
[Al Quran ; 33:55]

See:

لَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِنَّ فِي آبَائِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَائِهِنَّ وَلَا إِخْوَانِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَاءِ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ وَلَا أَبْنَاءِ أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ وَلَا نِسَائِهِنَّ وَلَا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ

I.e.

There is no blame upon them concerning their fathers or their brothers or the sons of their brothers or the sons of their sisters or their women or those possessed by their oaths.

Let me show you another compelling verse that proves two points at once:

1- That Ma Malakat Ayman cannot be captives of war
2- Sex with Ma Malakat Ayman cannot be allowed unless men marry them first

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ ۚ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ ۚ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ (58)
O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer; (these are) three times of privacy for you. And there is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these (three times), (when) some of you move around others. Thus does Allah explain to you the signs; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 24:58]

See how compelling this verse is concerning Ma Malkat Ayman:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ

I.e.

O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer (Isha); (these are) three times of privacy for you.

See, Ma Malakat Ayman have to take permission before they enter upon their masters in three different times a day:

1- before the dawn prayer (Fajr),
2- at noon
3- after the night prayer (Isha)


In fact the verse even told us why? See: when you put aside your clothing.

Firstly, those Ma Malakat Ayman cannot be captives of war, because they are living in the same house as their masters. In addition to that, if sex is allowed freely with them, why the hell they need to take permission to enter upon their masters just in case their masters removed their cloths to rest? I guess their masters fuk them naked, right you confused and pervert of horny Muslim?

There is no doubt that fuking Ma Malakat Ayman IS NEVER ALLOWED in Quran unless men or women marry them first. It is only the satanic perversity in the minds of most Muslims that entice them to believe such clear cut non sensible sexually motivated act of freely fuking Ma Malakat Aymanihum

An example of Ma malakat Ayman may be a house maid, in fact you find most Saudis bring house maids from Philippine and similar countries, very poor women who cannot support themselves so they work as maids serving other capable humans to make a living. A psychologically very tough job considering that all humans should be equal. Those Saudi men end up fukin those maids freely while thinking that they are not committing any sin, they think that the following verses allow them doing so:

وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ (5)
إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ (6)

5: And those who are concerning their private parts guarding.
6: Except for their spouses or those whom their oaths possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed.

[Al Quran ; 23:5-6]

وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ (29)
إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ (30)

29: And those who are, concerning their private parts, guarding.
30: Except upon their spouses or what their oaths possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed.

[Al Quran ; 70:29-30]

The perverts cannot understand that the verses above ARE TALKING ABOUT LEGAL MARRIAGE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND MA MALAKAT AYMANIHUM. I.e.:

Those pious Muslims are those who guard their private parts except upon their spouses from the FREE MEN AND WOMEN and their spouses from MA MALAKAT AYMANUHUM

The verses above in no way imply not protecting the private parts from Ma Malakat Ayman to whom we are not married, otherwise 24:58 will be non sensible because it states that Ma Malakat Ayman should take permission before they enter upon their masters just in case they removed their cloth and heir private parts become apparent. The important point is this, both spouses from the free women and from Ma Malakat Ayman must always be differentiated from each other by mentioning them separately as seen in the above verses, because according to 4:25 both of them have different punishment if they commit fahisha after marriage.

Here you have it all, you confused kafirs enemy of Islam and you confused and horny Muslims whom I also consider an enemy of Islam; in fact, a far worse enemy than the kafirs, because the confused kafirs base their stupid arguments upon flawed understanding and practices by the confused and horny Muslims. See what do you expect when a confused Muslim go on a kafir web site that is only designed to attack Islam and Muslim and say:

The supposedly Muslim iffo alleged on FFI:

Sex with the captive girl is permissive in Quran, so we don't call it adultery
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Shame on your confused and horny Muslim, but I really hope that this slams wake you up and reconsider that what you spewed was nothing but crap and ignorance. Here is the slam, and it has to be another mother of slams because I left nothing for the kafirs and their fellow confused Muslims to refute:

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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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AhmedBahgat
Good, you sound like me, I don't like to use foul language in Ramadan unless someone really force me to, And guess fukin what? You forced me with your crap and confusion to come here spewing the lie the Quran allows fukin the captives of wars

Where the fuk FUKING is mentioned? So for you when the Quran says 'allowed to you that woman or this woman or whatever woman', it means for a confused freak like you, that 'allowed to you fuking this woman or that woamn or whatever woaman?

Why not 'allowed to you marrying this woman or that woman or whatever woman?

And btw, I never regert anything, in fact those who fall in my net always end up the regretful

Tell me again you confused liar, WHERE EXACTLY THE QURAN ALLOWED FUKING THE CAPTIVES OF WARS? PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUKIN UP

Look pal, I have no tme to waste, you should consider yourself lucky that I am currently dialoguing with you at 4:15 AM instead of dismissing you, however I will give one more chance to continue the dialogue that you initiated voluntarily and answer the damn questions above; but as for the crap inadmissible hearsay evidence you provided, you may shove it in iffo’ arse
iffo wrote:Ahmed let me ask you something very nicely & gently little bud,
But be assured that I am not going to be nice and gentle, little muslim jerk
iffo wrote:when you were growing up did anyone trying teaching you the concept of self respect and shame?
Yes, however I was also taught that with the clear cut jerks like who have no respect to my religion, should be dealt with accordingly
iffo wrote:Looks like you have none of those.
Then you should be careful from now on
iffo wrote:You are debating

Hold on jerk, I am not debating a jerk like you, I am only EXPOSING the ignorance and confusion of a jerk like you.

You only dream to debate me, jerk
iffo wrote:about something which is not even debatable. Everyone knows that Quran make sex between slave/POW and master permissible. so why you shamelessly lying here.
Read my mother of all slams then dismiss yourself you horny, confused jerk of pervert Muslim
iffo wrote:Right hand possess = slave or captive girl (POW)
chastity = sexual relation.
Well, if they only married you filthy horny confused Muslim
iffo wrote:So don't act like a dumb ass wasting your time and others talking nonsense calling others liars.
Then refute my mother of slams and prove that you are not a dumb abused arse

iffo wrote:
070.029
YUSUFALI: And those who guard their chastity,
PICKTHAL: And those who preserve their chastity
SHAKIR: And those who guard their private parts,


070.030
YUSUFALI: Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
PICKTHAL: Save with their wives and those whom their right hands possess, for thus they are not blameworthy;
SHAKIR: Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,

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023.005
YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,
PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -
SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

023.006
YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,
Read my mother of all slams then dismiss your filthy arse in the filthiest rubbish bin bound to hell.

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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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What a long winded tirade. You must have a lot of spare time on your hand.

I have the same respect to your religion as your religion has for me. Which is zero.

BTW, there is no hell in the afterlife. In fact, there is no afterlife.

Hell is what Muslims create here on earth for themselves and everybody else.
All because one long dead, deranged criminal is leading them by the nose for 14 centuries. :worthy:
Islam: an idea to kill and die for.

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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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-Peace- wrote:By the way, there is NO proof that Angel Gabriel sent words of God to Prophet Muhammad.
AhmedBahgat wrote: Of course, and if anyone told you that he/she has a proof, know that they must be full of sh!t

The belief cannot be proven, as when it is proven, it cannot be called belief anymore, rather FACT

Now, till today I have never seen anyone proving that Jebril delivered the words of God to Muhammed, consequently the matter for me still a BELIF, not a fact, and consequently I cannot prove it to you.

Nothing really is new or of a value implied by your statement.
Of course this is nothing new, but you and 1.3 billion Muslims out there are putting their trust on an ILLITERATE man. It doesn't make sense for God to send his words THROUGH an ANGEL (Angel Gabriel) to JUST ONE PERSON rather than having the angel send the word to everyone around the world. Did God not see that people would create their own religions and confuse others in the process? Anything from God would have been created by himself and not through another human being or messenger.
JUST KIDDING, STILL AN APOSTATE. MWAHAHAHAHA! HEHEHEHEHEH! :D BACK TO THE RIGHT PATH. ALHAMDULILLAH! :)

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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

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Exactly Mr. Peace,

This is my first post in FFI, I am a silent reader and have been just reading for couple of years.

This question has been nagging me forever.

Why did the creator of this seemingly infinite and complex universe need a desert gangster to relay his messeage and that through an angel indirectly.

I would think that it should be extremely easy for someone who created this complex Universe to relay this message to everyone directly.

Thanks

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pr126 wrote:What a long winded tirade. You must have a lot of spare time on your hand.

I have the same respect to your religion as your religion has for me. Which is zero.

BTW, there is no hell in the afterlife. In fact, there is no afterlife.

Hell is what Muslims create here on earth for themselves and everybody else.
All because one long dead, deranged criminal is leading them by the nose for 14 centuries. :worthy:
Ahmed's up to his usual lies again. Not even Ramadan can make him honest.

Prisoners of war referred to EVERYONE enslaved after the war, male and female, young and old.
Right hand possess referred ONLY TO GIRLS OR WOMEN prisoners that had been distributed to the soldiers.

AhmedBahgat wrote:My understanding however makes great sense and certainly complies with the teaching of the Quran. Simply, my understating implies taking an oath in front of Allah to care for a weak person who is deprived from all means of living needs.

In fact if possessing is meant to be only by hands and not by an oath, then I say, possessing by an oath still lead to possessing by hands but under the restrictions of the oath taken before Allah. The restriction is simply to care for that person.

Maybe Ahmed can explain this:
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YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Married women are prohibited EXCEPT those married one who are your RIGHT HAND POSSESS.

So according to Ahmed, the muslims took an oath to protect those women and one of the things they can do is to marry those women even when their husbands are still around. :???:
Who are these women? Slaves! Where did the slaves come from? War.

We know that their husbands were still alive at that time otherwise they be known as widows.
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@Ahmed Bagat,

Dear brother Baghat looks like I really got into your skin with minimum of effort. That's the god gifted talent I have, with smile on my face i can push others' buttons very very easily. You will get used to, don't worry. :D .....

I will reply you back and we will discuss everything how you been dishonest. I understand my brother's frustration just like you get frustrated if some say something not accurate about Quran , I also get frustrated if anyone like yourself lies shamelessly like a shameless truck stop whore, I hope you understand ........... but I will come back little bud. :)
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Pagla wrote:Exactly Mr. Peace,

This is my first post in FFI, I am a silent reader and have been just reading for couple of years.

This question has been nagging me forever.

Why did the creator of this seemingly infinite and complex universe need a desert gangster to relay his messeage and that through an angel indirectly.

I would think that it should be extremely easy for someone who created this complex Universe to relay this message to everyone directly.

Thanks
Ah....but he's not just an ordinary 'desert gangster', Pagla.

He is Allah's beloved. The UNIVERSE WAS CREATED for Muhammad.
Without Muhammad, nothing would have been created.

http://www.muhammadanreality.com/creati ... eality.htm


welcome to your first post.
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iffo wrote:@Ahmed Bagat,

Dear brother Baghat looks like I really got into your skin with minimum of effort. That's the god gifted talent I have, with smile on my face i can push others' buttons very very easily. You will get used to, don't worry. :D .....

I will reply you back and we will discuss everything how you been dishonest. I understand my brother's frustration just like you get frustrated if some say something not accurate about Quran , I also get frustrated if anyone like yourself lies shamelessly like a shameless truck stop whore, I hope you understand ........... but I will come back little bud. :)
Listen you pervert of a horny confused muslim, don't reply to me, reply to the public as I have life dismissed you in the filthiest rubbish bin after I debunked u, does it sound familiar this word, debunked

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
iffo wrote:@Ahmed Bagat,

Dear brother Baghat looks like I really got into your skin with minimum of effort. That's the god gifted talent I have, with smile on my face i can push others' buttons very very easily. You will get used to, don't worry. :D .....

I will reply you back and we will discuss everything how you been dishonest. I understand my brother's frustration just like you get frustrated if some say something not accurate about Quran , I also get frustrated if anyone like yourself lies shamelessly like a shameless truck stop whore, I hope you understand ........... but I will come back little bud. :)
Listen you pervert of a horny confused muslim, don't reply to me, reply to the public as I have life dismissed you in the filthiest rubbish bin after I debunked u, does it sound familiar this word, debunked
Ahmed, did you see my post here:
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JUST KIDDING, STILL AN APOSTATE. MWAHAHAHAHA! HEHEHEHEHEH! :D BACK TO THE RIGHT PATH. ALHAMDULILLAH! :)

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
iffo wrote:@Ahmed Bagat,

Dear brother Baghat looks like I really got into your skin with minimum of effort. That's the god gifted talent I have, with smile on my face i can push others' buttons very very easily. You will get used to, don't worry. :D .....

I will reply you back and we will discuss everything how you been dishonest. I understand my brother's frustration just like you get frustrated if some say something not accurate about Quran , I also get frustrated if anyone like yourself lies shamelessly like a shameless truck stop whore, I hope you understand ........... but I will come back little bud. :)
Listen you pervert of a horny confused muslim, don't reply to me, reply to the public as I have life dismissed you in the filthiest rubbish bin after I debunked u, does it sound familiar this word, debunked

O dear brother Baghat fun has just began, where you running away now like a little naughty girl . My nutty bud you have debuked nothing, you just like to flatter yourself like a 5 year old foolish kid. Remmber iffo' left hand posses your ass, so my bro is going no where. ...till I come back ........

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-Peace- wrote:By the way, there is NO proof that Angel Gabriel sent words of God to Prophet Muhammad.
AhmedBahgat wrote: Of course, and if anyone told you that he/she has a proof, know that they must be full of sh!t

The belief cannot be proven, as when it is proven, it cannot be called belief anymore, rather FACT

Now, till today I have never seen anyone proving that Jebril delivered the words of God to Muhammed, consequently the matter for me still a BELIF, not a fact, and consequently I cannot prove it to you.

Nothing really is new or of a value implied by your statement.
-Peace- wrote:Of course this is nothing new,
So why you keep parrotting it then?
-Peace- wrote: but you and 1.3 billion Muslims out there are putting their trust on an ILLITERATE man.
I reckon it is better than the 2 billion Christians who are putting their trust on a man made god.
-Peace- wrote:It doesn't make sense for God to send his words THROUGH an ANGEL (Angel Gabriel) to JUST ONE PERSON rather than having the angel send the word to everyone around the world.
Obviously you are missing one important law from Allah, if the angel became apparent to the humans then GAME OVER, i.e. it Judgement Day time
-Peace- wrote:Did God not see that people would create their own religions and confuse others in the process?
Of course He is aware of it before it did not even happen, now for those who got confused, their reckoning will be with their Lord
-Peace- wrote: Anything from God would have been created by himself and not through another human being or messenger.
But admonishing is not creation, so what the hell are you talking about exactly?

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iffo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
iffo wrote:@Ahmed Bagat,

Dear brother Baghat looks like I really got into your skin with minimum of effort. That's the god gifted talent I have, with smile on my face i can push others' buttons very very easily. You will get used to, don't worry. :D .....

I will reply you back and we will discuss everything how you been dishonest. I understand my brother's frustration just like you get frustrated if some say something not accurate about Quran , I also get frustrated if anyone like yourself lies shamelessly like a shameless truck stop whore, I hope you understand ........... but I will come back little bud. :)
Listen you pervert of a horny confused muslim, don't reply to me, reply to the public as I have life dismissed you in the filthiest rubbish bin after I debunked u, does it sound familiar this word, debunked

O dear brother Baghat fun has just began, where you running away now like a little naughty girl . My nutty bud you have debuked nothing, you just like to flatter yourself like a 5 year old foolish kid. Remmber iffo' left hand posses your ass, so my bro is going no where. ...till I come back ........
That is right metnak and traitor debunker, the fun has just began, bring it on, you filthy double faced of a fag traitor

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Ahmed wrote:
I reckon it is better than the 2 billion Christians who are putting their trust on a man made god.
LOL. Pot. Kettle. Black.

:roflmao:
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pr126 wrote:Ahmed wrote:
I reckon it is better than the 2 billion Christians who are putting their trust on a man made god.
LOL. Pot. Kettle. Black.

:roflmao:

Why idiot?

Was not Jesus a man who ate and pissed like us, and was seen by all?

My God however is not a human nor been seen before, pinhead

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
pr126 wrote:Ahmed wrote:
I reckon it is better than the 2 billion Christians who are putting their trust on a man made god.
LOL. Pot. Kettle. Black.

:roflmao:

Why idiot?

Was not Jesus a man who ate and pissed like us, and was seen by all?

My God however is not a human nor been seen before, pinhead
Well, your god is the alter ego of Muhammad. How can you not see the similarities?

And then it was revealed

Imagine, all those revelations came down within seconds as the situations arose, and Allah was on standby to supply them on demand, to Muhammad's bidding.
No waiting. No objections. Allah himself, no less. Not some secretary, the angel Gabriel. :wacko:

What a divine coincidence. Even Aisha commented on that.
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Ahmed, I see you really can't discuss your points of view without trading insults at virtually everyone here. The ability to insult people over the internet however doesn't mean that your arguements are more persuasive rather it cheapens any points that you are trying to make.

It is funny, often the people who resort to such insults know their arguement is losing, a desperate attempt to divert the obvious. I see live in my country Ahmed, would you be so rude if I bumped into you on the street?

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