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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:58 am
by pr126
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
pr126 wrote:
he was taken on a night journey to Jerusalem and then to the heavens (Mi`raaj).


Where does it say that he was taken to Jerusalem? (chapter and verse from the Quran?)
Is the name Jerusalem in the Quran at all?


17:1 (Y. Ali) Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

How can we know what where the farthest Mosque is by following only the Quran and nothing else? Without the story of the night journey, Al Aqsa and even Jerusalem has no significance. Let's face it, all this nonsense about trying to remove the hadiths from Islam is merely because they are such an embarrassment. But, it doesn't work because the Quran alone is proven to be insufficient. Where's the farthest Mosque?? It doesn't say what the farthest Mosque is in the Quran. So Muslims like BagHat and Eagle want to have their cake and eat it too. This is the general, duplicitous nature of Muslims.

But notice that the Quran doesn't think it needs to say where the farthest mosque is. That's because Muhammad already told them the whole story of the journey and where he took off from, and this is why the Quran didn't seem to think it needed to go into any details. They already knew the details and the Quran was merely reminding them that this happened. So Muhammad did INDEED tell that whole cockamanie story about the night journey. That recording is no fabrication, although the story itself is a fabrication from Muhammad.

Yes, I was waiting for this,
I doubt very much that there was a mosque present in Muhammad's time anywhere near Jerusalem.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:02 am
by skynightblaze
I dont agree with your tally of 5 prayers. Lets see the verses that you brought and count them once again..

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Spoiler! :
Salam all

Time for slam dunk #95, which is support to what my brother Eagle said, that the 5 times of salat are mentioned in Quran, let’s have a look shall we:

We have 5 salat/day:

1- Fajr (Dawn)
2- Zuhr (Noon)
3- Asr (Afternoon)
4- Maghrib (Sunset)
5- Isha (Night)

>> The first, fourth and fifth salat (Dawn, Sunset and Night) are mentioned indirectly in the following verse:

وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ۚ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّاكِرِينَ (114)
And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night. Indeed, good deeds remove evil deeds; that is a reminder for those who remember.
[Al Quran ; 11:114]

-> See: وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night.

As you have seen, the Quran refers to the first and fourth salat times (Dawn and Sunset) metaphorically by using the words: طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ , i.e. the two ends of the day. For Isha (Night) prayer, the Quran used the words: زُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. a portion of the night to refer to it.

>> The Dawn and Night prayer are also mentioned directly in the following verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ ۚ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ ۚ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ (58)
O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer (Isha); (these are) three times of privacy for you. And there is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these (three times), (when) some of you move around others. Thus does Allah explain to you the signs; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 24:58]

-> See: صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ , i.e. the dawn prayer (Fajr) , & صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ , i.e. the night prayer (Isha)



Agreed! We have the count of prayers as 3 here i.e dawn,sunset and the night prayer.

Ahmed Bahgat wrote:>> The third salat (Afternoon) is logically mentioned in the following verse:

حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ (238)
Maintain the prayers and the middle prayer, and stand up before Allah in obedience.
[Al Quran ; 2:238]


Well you cant say that the middle prayer is the afternoon prayers. The middle prayer would depend upon the no of prayers that quran told us and not upon the no 5 which comes from the hadith and hence unless we know the no of prayers that quran mentioned we cant say what the middle prayer would be afternoon prayer.HAd quran mentioned that there are 5 prayers namely as dawn,noon,afternoon,sunset and night then you would have a point and we would have accepted that the middle prayer is afternoon .

The middle prayer here actually is the noon prayer as per the quran. Let me clarify here..

Quran mentioned the prayers at dawn,noon,sunset and night (It didnt mention afternoon prayer distinctly) and hence the no of prayers as per quran is 4 and hence the middle prayer would be no 2 i.e noon so noon would be the middle prayer as per quran and not the afternoon prayer. Note that quran doesnt distinctly say afternoon prayer.

You have drawn an erroneous conclusion that middle prayer refers to afternoon prayer.TO find middle value of any series of nos we need to know the total count. The total count as per quran is only 4 because it mentions only 4 prayers distinctly.

Ahmed wrote:-> See: الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى , i.e. the middle prayer, which should be logically the third in five prayers/day, i.e. Al-Asr (Afternoon) prayer.

There is also a whole sura named Al-Asr in which we read how such time is very important in the sight of Allah:

وَالْعَصْرِ (1)
(I swear) by the afternoon.
[Al Quran ; 103:1]


Allah is definitely not praying and he swearing doesnt by afternoon doesnt mean that you are supposed to pray during the afternoon.This verse is irrelevant to the discussion.

Ahmed wrote:>> The first, second, third, fourth and fifth salats are mentioned (metaphorically) in the following verse:

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا (78)
Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed.
[Al Quran ; 17:78]


Again decline of sun can be interpreted as sunset too and hence mention of noon prayer is doubtful but let me give you the benefit of doubt here and hence I will take this as the 4th prayer i,e prayer at the noon so we have

3 prayers from previous set of verses + 1 prayer here =4 prayers.


AhmedBahgat wrote:[017:078] Observe Prayer from the declining and paling of the sun till the darkness of the night, and recite the Qur'an at dawn. Verily, the recitation of the Qur'an at dawn is specially acceptable to ALLAH.

- The second, third, fourth and fifth (Noon, Afternoon, Sunset and Night) prayers are mentioned in one expression implying continues action of prayer: أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night. From the decline of the sun means from the point where it is at the top of you, i.e. noon prayer until it disappears, i.e. going through the afternoon prayer and ending with sunset prayer. Then the prayer should continue until the night prayer is performed.

-> The first prayer (Dawn) was referred to as an action of reciting the Quran OF dawn: وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا , i.e. and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed. See how it is refereed to as the Quran OF dawn, not the Quran AT dawn, i.e. the recited Quran during Dawn prayer.


Again quran doesnt mention the afternoon prayer distinctly and hence praying from decline of sun to night doesnt include the afternoon prayer. From the decline of sun to night we have only 3 prayers i,e noon,sunset and night prayer and this is because quran mentions only 3 prayers and it doesnt mention afternoon prayer at all. You interpreted the middle prayer as afternoon prayer but as proven above that the middle prayer depends upon the no of prayers and their sequence as mentioned in the quran .The middle prayer as per quran is the noon prayer.

Ahmed wrote:Here you have it kafirs, you have been slammed again. But hey, if you wont get sick of being slammed, I won’t get sick of slamming you:


Image # 95


Keep deluding yourself . YOu could never refute anyone here and you always have lost miserably.Stop this madness about quran. Its not a book from God.Learn to accept this harsh reality.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:05 am
by yeezevee
skynightblaze wrote:
Agreed! We have the count of prayers as 3 here i.e dawn,sunset and the night prayer...........

وَالْعَصْرِ (1)
(I swear) by the afternoon.
[Al Quran ; 103:1]


Allah is definitely not praying and he swearing doesnt by afternoon doesnt mean that you are supposed to pray during the afternoon.This verse is irrelevant to the discussion.

Ahmed wrote:>> The first, second, third, fourth and fifth salats are mentioned (metaphorically) in the following verse:

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا (78)
Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed.
[Al Quran ; 17:78]


Again decline of sun can be interpreted as sunset too and hence mention of noon prayer is doubtful but let me give you the benefit of doubt here and hence I will take this as the 4th prayer i,e prayer at the noon so we have

3 prayers from previous set of verses + 1 prayer here =4 prayers.
Hmm. This discussion between Robot and SKB on 4 prayers ..5 prayers and middle prayer sounds like this clip..



Anyways., SKB posts makes me to say., There were no 5 prayers in Islam during Muhammad's time ., I think they had only three prayers and that is sunrise, sunset and night Prayer before you go to sleep., the rest of two day time prayers must have added by Muslim bums after the death Mr. PBUH. Those two Prayers in the day times are nothing but a Private time of Mr. PBUH with his voluptuous wives or concubines and he telling his foolish followers not to disturb him as he is having fun with his women. Instead of that Some early Muslim bums misunderstand Mr. PBUH intentions and made that parable discussion between him and his stupid early followers as another two prayers.. So instead of 3 now you have 5 prayers..

stupid people silly religion..

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:15 am
by AhmedBahgat
@ the deluded and confused kid sky

Listen kid, have I not told your confused arse that knowing that prayer is 5 times a day does not need any hadith

How about you shoiw me how knowledgeable you are in your man made crap hadith and show me how we pray from such crap books

On the other hand, you may keep crying after slam dunk #95

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:29 am
by piscohot
AhmedBahgat wrote:@ the deluded and confused kid sky

Listen kid, have I not told your confused arse that knowing that prayer is 5 times a day does not need any hadith WAAAAAA!!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry:


78)
Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed.


LiarBahgat,

Why don't you show us how many different prayers Allah asked of you 'from the decline of the sun till the darkness of night' IN THE QURAN?

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:54 pm
by skynightblaze
Yeezevee wrote:Anyways., SKB posts makes me to say., There were no 5 prayers in Islam during Muhammad's time ., I think they had only three prayers and that is sunrise, sunset and night Prayer before you go to sleep., the rest of two day time prayers must have added by Muslim bums after the death Mr. PBUH. Those two Prayers in the day times are nothing but a Private time of Mr. PBUH with his voluptuous wives or concubines and he telling his foolish followers not to disturb him as he is having fun with his women. Instead of that Some early Muslim bums misunderstand Mr. PBUH intentions and made that parable discussion between him and his stupid early followers as another two prayers.. So instead of 3 now you have 5 prayers..

stupid people silly religion..


I would agree with Yohan. The no of prayers mentioned in the quran actually are 3 and not 5. The mention of noon prayer is doubtful as the verse says from the "decline of sun"..... Now decline of sun can mean sunset too so noon prayer is doubtful and also afternoon prayer isnt mentioned distinctly . Bummer bahgat interpreted the middle prayer as afternoon prayer which is wrong because no of prayers mentioned by quran is only 4(assuming noon prayer is mentioned) and hence the middle prayer would be noon and not afternoon.

The 5 prayer thing could be a corruption or it could simply be a fact that muhammad never bothered to include that in the quran.In case of night journey as MBL pointed out quran never mentions the details. IT was just talking about a fact already known to people and hence it just puts one verse in there without going into details.The same could be with no of prayers afterall muhammad never took the quran seriously. He used it merely to serve his purpose.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:59 pm
by skynightblaze
AhmedBahgat wrote:@ the deluded and confused kid sky

Listen kid, have I not told your confused arse that knowing that prayer is 5 times a day does not need any hadith

How about you shoiw me how knowledgeable you are in your man made crap hadith and show me how we pray from such crap books

On the other hand, you may keep crying after slam dunk #95


Neither does your man made book quran tell us how to pray so whats the big deal?

Btw the point I wanted to convey is your counting of prayers in the quran is wrong.Only 4 prayers are mentioned in the quran and that too if we consider "Decline of sun" as noon rather than sunset otherwise the count from quran is 3 i.e dawn,sunset and night.

Also knowing that prayer is 5 times needs a hadith either oral or written so dismiss yourself in the nearby bin as you have lost. Get real and join hands with kafirs .Together we will expose the man made book quran.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:16 pm
by AhmedBahgat
skynightblaze wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:@ the deluded and confused kid sky

Listen kid, have I not told your confused arse that knowing that prayer is 5 times a day does not need any hadith

How about you show me how knowledgeable you are in your man made crap hadith and show me how we pray from such crap books

On the other hand, you may keep crying after slam dunk #95


Neither does your man made book quran tell us how to pray so whats the big deal?

Btw the point I wanted to convey is your counting of prayers in the quran is wrong.Only 4 prayers are mentioned in the quran and that too if we consider "Decline of sun" as noon rather than sunset otherwise the count from quran is 3 i.e dawn,sunset and night.

Also knowing that prayer is 5 times needs a hadith either oral or written so dismiss yourself in the nearby bin as you have lost. Get real and join hands with kafirs .Together we will expose the man made book quran.



Then read this verse you ignorant which is telling us that the prophet should explain to us what is sent down to us, i.e. explain to us how pray ad how many times we pray, because commanding us to pray was sent down to us in the Quran:

بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (44)
(We have sent them) with clear proofs and sacred writings; and We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them and that they will give thoughts.
[Al Quran ; 16:44]

-> See you ignorant: We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them

i.e. the prophet must have explained the prayer which was ordained upon the believers in the Quran

Dismiss yourself desperate hadith worshipper, your idiotic defence concerning such man made rubbish is clearly exposing your desperate attempts to attack Islam through such man made rubbish of crap that you worship.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:37 pm
by skynightblaze
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Then read this verse you ignorant which is telling us that the prophet should explain to us what is sent down to us, i.e. explain to us how pray ad how many times we pray, because commanding us to pray was sent down to us in the Quran:

بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (44)
(We have sent them) with clear proofs and sacred writings; and We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them and that they will give thoughts.
[Al Quran ; 16:44]

-> See you ignorant: We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them

i.e. the prophet must have explained the prayer which was ordained upon the believers in the Quran


So if muhammad is supposed to explain us whatever is sent down via quran where is the explanation concerning 5 prayers?
The verses you brought obviously dont lead us to a conclusion that 5 prayers are mandatory for muslims but yet you believe that 5 is the correct no.

EDIT

Btw I just realized that you are trying to say that believers during muhammads time must have been explained by muhammad about the prayers but what about the believers after muhammad who are supposed to understand islam using quran alone ?certainly you were never explained by muhammad about 5 prayers.

Dismiss yourself desperate hadith worshipper, your idiotic defence concerning such man made rubbish is clearly exposing your desperate attempts to attack Islam through such man made rubbish of crap that you worship.


Leave about hadiths what about the quran? While discussing with you people have always used quran and shown you the clear cut errors .

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:15 pm
by AhmedBahgat
skynightblaze wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Then read this verse you ignorant which is telling us that the prophet should explain to us what is sent down to us, i.e. explain to us how pray ad how many times we pray, because commanding us to pray was sent down to us in the Quran:

بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (44)
(We have sent them) with clear proofs and sacred writings; and We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them and that they will give thoughts.
[Al Quran ; 16:44]

-> See you ignorant: We have sent down to you the reminder that you may explain to the people what has been sent down to them

i.e. the prophet must have explained the prayer which was ordained upon the believers in the Quran


So if muhammad is supposed to explain us whatever is sent down via quran where is the explanation concerning 5 prayers?
The verses you brought obviously dont lead us to a conclusion that 5 prayers are mandatory for muslims but yet you believe that 5 is the correct no.

EDIT

Btw I just realized that you are trying to say that believers during muhammads time must have been explained by muhammad about the prayers but what about the believers after muhammad who are supposed to understand islam using quran alone ?certainly you were never explained by muhammad about 5 prayers.

Dismiss yourself desperate hadith worshipper, your idiotic defence concerning such man made rubbish is clearly exposing your desperate attempts to attack Islam through such man made rubbish of crap that you worship.


Leave about hadiths what about the quran? While discussing with you people have always used quran and shown you the clear cut errors .


Again you ignorant, when the verse was revealed Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day, and they started praying 5 times a day for 200 years until your man made rubbish of hadith were written.

And if you are going to continue to worship such rubbish of man made book of crap, then the verse above limit any crap that you bring to be related to any verse in Quran and must be alleged to be said by the prophet. But hey, I will still dismiss it, I am just giving a hint to the Muslim hadith worshippers on how to deal with the kafir hadith worshipers like you

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:19 pm
by AhmedBahgat
skynightblaze wrote:EDIT

Btw I just realized that you are trying to say that believers during muhammads time must have been explained by muhammad about the prayers but what about the believers after muhammad who are supposed to understand islam using quran alone ?certainly you were never explained by muhammad about 5 prayers.
.


How dump you are, it is not like the Muslims lived apart for years,

Ignorant, the Muslims generations are connected through grand parents, parents, children and grand children. Like any other community or race.

It seems that you are so stupid that you may need me to draw it for ya, however I am not going to do so as I prefer that you stay stupid and be nothing but a dump desperate pum

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:53 pm
by pr126
Ahmed wrote:
Again you ignorant, when the verse was revealed Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day, and they started praying 5 times a day for 200 years until your man made rubbish of hadith were written.

Revealed by whom?

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:58 pm
by Centaur
its irrelevant how many times muslims prayed during Mohammeds times.let it be 3 or 4 or 5
The man made garbage Koran the bloody book of Muslims is missing the instruction regarding 5 daily ground kisses.
So some muslims are now arguing that only 3 are needed a day, based on the koran And some other confused ones say only 2 are mentioned in Korand :lol:
My Recommendation, Do 40 arse throwing a day as long as you dont fart on the one kissing the ground behind you, Mohammed(allah) will be pleased
And you will have less time for recreational activities Like beheading and bombing.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:18 am
by Muhammad bin Lyin
http://islamonline.com/news/articles/6/ ... pray_.html
At first the prophet (pbuh) prayed two rakah twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening.

From that time, the Prophet (pbuh) never went through a day without praying. Just before his migration to Madinah, he was taken on a night journey to Jerusalem and then to the heavens (Mi`raaj).

During this journey, Allah, Almighty, ordered him to pray five times a day. This prayer was a gift given to every Believer to enable him to experience a spiritual ascension five times a day.


Gee, it's EXACTLY what I say.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:39 am
by piscohot
AhmedBahgat wrote:Again you ignorant, when the verse was revealed Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day, and they started praying 5 times a day for 200 years until your man made rubbish of hadith were written.


:lol:

first was a loonnnnnggg post on how the quran dictated 5 prayers a day.

when that didn't work,

it's now: Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day

:roflmao:

keep it up Baaahahahagat.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:36 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
piscohot wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:Again you ignorant, when the verse was revealed Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day, and they started praying 5 times a day for 200 years until your man made rubbish of hadith were written.


:lol:

first was a loonnnnnggg post on how the quran dictated 5 prayers a day.

when that didn't work,

it's now: Muhammed explained VERBALLY to the people that prayer are 5 times a day

:roflmao:

keep it up Baaahahahagat.


Sure, and why did he verbally tell them that?? Because that was included in his little night journey fabrication. That's how he told them that. These people were already completely familiar with the night journey story which is why the Quran didn't think it needed to go into any details, but merely remind them of the story itself, and this means that Muhammad did indeed utter that ridiculous story, including the part about Moses continually sending him back to ask Allah to adjust the prayer frequency amount, because Moses knew what the people could bear better than Allah. It's like that story was written by a stupid 4th grader. But illiterate Bedouins were about as stupid and gullible as a 4th grader. Is it any wonder why so few of the more educated Christians and Jews accepted Islam??

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:05 am
by piscohot
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Sure, and why did he verbally tell them that?? Because that was included in his little night journey fabrication.


oh gee... we are back to the hadiths again....

:lol:

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:51 am
by Eagle
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote: The very, very well respected IslamOnline.com wrote the following article about prayers.

http://islamonline.com/news/articles/6/ ... pray_.html
At first the prophet (pbuh) prayed two rakah twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening.

From that time, the Prophet (pbuh) never went through a day without praying. Just before his migration to Madinah, he was taken on a night journey to Jerusalem and then to the heavens (Mi`raaj).

During this journey, Allah, Almighty, ordered him to pray five times a day. This prayer was a gift given to every Believer to enable him to experience a spiritual ascension five times a day.


Gee, it's EXACTLY what I say. How come I agree with their scholars, and you don't?


Because the Quran does not speak of a supposed ascension to the heavens (referred in the hadiths and your article as the miraj) after the prophet's arrival to his destination; the furthest mosque. The Quran says the prophet Muhammad was taken from:
- point A = masjid al haram (the sacred place of prostration)
to
- point B = masjid al aqsa (the furthest place of prostration)

There is no "point C" or ascension up in heaven. Masjid al aqsa is understood traditionaly to be in Jerusalem, it is common historical knowledge irrelevant to the hadith just like Masjid al haram is understood to be the Kaaba. Arab history, let alone Muslim history and tradition are not limited to the hadiths.

This was a sign to the prophet, he was physically transported in a night between the 2 most sacred sites of monotheism, located more than 1000km from eachother.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:26 am
by yeezevee
Eagle wrote:This was a sign to the prophet, he was physically transported in a night between the 2 most sacred sites of monotheism, located more than 1000km from eachother.

irrational rubbish dear Eagle.... if you believe in such rubbish, you will believe in anything in Islam....

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:29 am
by pr126
Eagle wrote:
Masjid al aqsa is understood traditionaly to be in Jerusalem, it is common historical knowledge irrelevant to the hadith just like Masjid al haram is understood to be the Kaaba.

How could there be a mosque in Muhammad's time? Who built it? Were there any practising Muhammadans in Jerusalem needing a mosque? :wacko: