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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:07 pm
by Eagle
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:17:1 (Y. Ali) Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque,

So it says he made a journey.


Good, you found the verse by yourself and refuted your original ignorance that without hadith "the night journey should be completely null and void".

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So what does that mean on it's own?


That the prophet Muhammad was taken from the Kaaba to Jerusalem in a night.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:How about the white horse?? How about the prayer frequency?


Eagle wrote:Other sources of corruption came from...story-tellers and reciters of fables attaching their rich imagination to the narrations...


Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:There isn't one single verse in the Quran that says 5 times.


You mean 1 verse mentionning the 5 prayers at once? No there isnt 1 verse, there are many speaking of the obligation to perform the morning, noon, afternoon, sunset and night prayers. Look them up by yourself like you did for the night journey.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:IT will be flimsy, not all things in the sky will be flimsy, the sky itself, IT will be flimsy and tear open.


Of course, now go back there viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6093 where you and those with you were corrected on your false speculations regarding the meaning of those verses relating information from the unseen.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:04 pm
by pr126
Eagle wrote:
That the prophet Muhammad was taken from the Kaaba to Jerusalem in a night.

The word "Jerusalem" is not in the Quran. Not even once.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:10 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:17:1 (Y. Ali) Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque,

So it says he made a journey.


Good, you found the verse by yourself and refuted your original ignorance that without hadith "the night journey should be completely null and void".


Wrong, it really is null and void because all of the specifics of the story including praying times per day are all null and void therefore rendering the entire journey as meaningless.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So what does that mean on it's own?


That the prophet Muhammad was taken from the Kaaba to Jerusalem in a night.


Yeah, so what?? What happened at Jerusalem??? What's the significance??

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:How about the white horse?? How about the prayer frequency?


Other sources of corruption came from...story-tellers and reciters of fables attaching their rich imagination to the narrations...


So where does the figure of praying 5 times per day come from??

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:There isn't one single verse in the Quran that says 5 times.


Eagle wrote:You mean 1 verse mentionning the 5 prayers at once?


No, I mean praying 5 times per day, just like i said and just like you knew I said.

Eagle wrote: No there isnt 1 verse, there are many speaking of the obligation to perform the morning, noon, afternoon, sunset and night prayers. Look them up by yourself like you did for the night journey.


Just show us the verses. We both know that if you could, you would. Therefore, your answer is to be rejected thus far as more dishonest evasiveness. Shees, it's almost like evasiveness is some sort of profession for you.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:IT will be flimsy, not all things in the sky will be flimsy, the sky itself, IT will be flimsy and tear open.


Of course, now go back there viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6093 where you and those with you were corrected on your false speculations regarding the meaning of those verses relating information from the unseen.


And i answered everything you said and you left it with the ball in your court, which means, until you answer again, you lost and were undeniably refuted, not in just one of the multiple ploys you attempted in that thread, but in every single one. i painstakingly answered every single lie you attempted. Every single one. And if you think I didn't, then you need to go back to that thread and open the issue again. it's that simple, liar. What part don't you understand about how a discussion forum works?

How you can continually fail at every ploy you attempt, and yet still keep coming back for more and more beatings is simply beyond me.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:20 pm
by Eagle
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Wrong, it really is null and void


It is in the Quran, why would it be "nul and void"

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:because all of the specifics of the story


Eagle wrote:Other sources of corruption came from...story-tellers and reciters of fables attaching their rich imagination to the narrations...


Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:including praying times per day


It is in the Quran

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Yeah, so what?? What happened at Jerusalem??? What's the significance??


Read the verse after the one you quoted

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So where does the figure of praying 5 times per day come from?


The Quran, look it up like you looked up the night journey

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:i painstakingly answered every single lie you attempted


That is not what an objective reader would say, maybe you should try again.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:22 pm
by Eagle
pr126 wrote:Eagle wrote:
That the prophet Muhammad was taken from the Kaaba to Jerusalem in a night.

The word "Jerusalem" is not in the Quran. Not even once.


It is called common knowledge of the time.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:13 pm
by pr126
Eagle wrote:
pr126 wrote:Eagle wrote:
That the prophet Muhammad was taken from the Kaaba to Jerusalem in a night.

The word "Jerusalem" is not in the Quran. Not even once.


It is called common knowledge of the time.


Really? How do you know that?
Doesn't the fable mention "the farthest mosque"? Was there a mosque in Jerusalem in Muhammad's time? No.
Come on, try a better lie. :roll:

Do you really believe that Muhammad traveled to the seventh heaven on a winged mule all in one night? Are you that gullible?

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:45 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Wrong, it really is null and void


It is in the Quran, why would it be "nul and void"


Because it means nothing. It merely says he traveled from point A to B without explaining what purpose this fulfilled and what even happened. I traveled from China to Idaho in one night without having a plane to do so. Great!!! That's incredible. So what does it mean?? Absolutely nothing. It means i proved I can travel from point A to point B for no explained reason, and you are supposed to see this as a completely pointless miracle. That's the MOST it could mean and even that is ridiculous.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:because all of the specifics of the story


Other sources of corruption came from...story-tellers and reciters of fables attaching their rich imagination to the narrations...


Then there was absolutely no reason for him to make this journey, pother than to say he did, which ends up being pointless. Why do I have to explain this to this extent for you??? Where is your common sense reasoning?? Oh, I think it's there, but it's being overshadowed by the story inventor in you. The one that protects your beliefs for you by lying to you.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:including praying times per day


It is in the Quran


Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran. Let's go, say it out loud liar. Be honest for once in your life. But...see, you can't. I LOVE showing everybody the true liar that the Muslim is deep down inside and I love it when you participate because you prove EVERYTHING I say about Muslims, right there, live, in front of everybody's face. Sometimes, almost at the same time I'm even pointing it out. you come by as the perfect illustration of my claims.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Yeah, so what?? What happened at Jerusalem??? What's the significance??


Read the verse after the one you quoted


Why don't you just explain it, charlatan, because quite frankly, i don't see your point. so until you quote it and explain it, the point remains unanswered. I'm not going to play these stupid little games with you. If you have a point, quote it and explain it. It's that simple, liar.


Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So where does the figure of praying 5 times per day come from?


The Quran, look it up like you looked up the night journey


Still waiting for the verse, liar.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:i painstakingly answered every single lie you attempted


That is not what an objective reader would say, maybe you should try again.


I had the last answer and any objective reader would agree that it ended with me making a point you could not and therefore did not answer. That's the way a debate works. You are free to answer my last rebuttal for any of the multiple ploys you tried, but you have not, and in each ploy, I was the last non refuted answer. Therefore, according to any objective person, you fell silent and lost. No matter what stupid little ruse you try, understand that it will fail. Truth triumphs over falsehood (i.e. liars)

Go play these stupid games with the under educated, gullible Muslims that you know. Maybe your little street corner "shell game" scam will work better if you move to a stupid, Muslim street corner.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:48 pm
by Centaur
its that simple there are no verses which supports 5 daily prayers in Koran. Also as MBL rightly said the nighty journey lost all purpose since it missed all specifics in Koran and even more patheic the muslim does not realise he lost it.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:00 pm
by Eagle
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:It merely says he traveled from point A to B without explaining what purpose this fulfilled


You were told to read the verse after the one you brought that mentionned the night journey and its purpose.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran.


Of course it is, and i will make you google it and bring it here by yourself, just like i forced you regarding the night journey which you alleged was not in the Quran.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I had the last answer


Of course you did, you will always have to final answer in a discussion with anyone. However that does not make your "answer" any less idiotic than your "answers" in this very thread.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:20 am
by Yohan
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran.
Of course it is, and i will make you google it and bring it here by yourself, just like i forced you regarding the night journey which you alleged was not in the Quran.

Quran mentions only three prayers:
Only three Contact Prayers are mentioned by name in the Quran. In other words, the word "salaat" is qualified with descriptive words in three instances. These are:
1. Salaat-al Fajr-DAWN PRAYER (24:58; 11:114).
2. Salaat-al Esha-EVENING PRAYER (24:58; 17:78; 11:114)
3. Salaat-al Wusta- MIDDLE PRAYER (2:238; 17:78)"

Then how he hell did the 5 prayers come about? Did these Muslims know how to count right? Didn't Hindus teach Muslims how to count right?

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:41 am
by AhmedBahgat
Yohan wrote:
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran.
Of course it is, and i will make you google it and bring it here by yourself, just like i forced you regarding the night journey which you alleged was not in the Quran.

Quran mentions only three prayers:
Only three Contact Prayers are mentioned by name in the Quran. In other words, the word "salaat" is qualified with descriptive words in three instances. These are:
1. Salaat-al Fajr-DAWN PRAYER (24:58; 11:114).
2. Salaat-al Esha-EVENING PRAYER (24:58; 17:78; 11:114)
3. Salaat-al Wusta- MIDDLE PRAYER (2:238; 17:78)"

Then how he hell did the 5 prayers come about? Did these Muslims know how to count right? Didn't Hindus teach Muslims how to count right?



You stupid ignorant kafir, Salat Al-Isha can not be one of the two at the two ends of daytime, rather Fajr and Maghrib

Dismiss yourself, ignorant

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:20 am
by AhmedBahgat
skynightblaze wrote:@Bahgat
Muhammad made no attempts to preserve quran either then why do you believe in the quran?


Of course he did as commanded by Allah.

Muhammed commanded his sahaba to only write the Quran from all that which he said.

Would not that be called preservation, dumpy?

skynightblaze wrote:So according to you , hadiths were never collected by muhammad and quran never said to follow the hadiths and hence they are corrupted


I never said so, confused

What I always say that there is no obligation upon any Muslim to believe in even 1 single man made hadith.

But in regards to its massive corruption, well, I did not say that it is massively corrupted, rather, I proved that it is massively corrupted using nothing but the hadith itself.

skynightblaze wrote:while quran also wasnt collected by Muhammad


Of course, it was perfectly memorised by Muhammed, that was because Allah made him memorise it as stated in the Quran, from him it was transferred and even written by many, when Uthamn came, he only unified it, and certainly that was because Allah made him to do as a matter of my belief of what the Quran said concerning its collection.

skynightblaze wrote:but quran spoke about preservation of itself and hence its valid. Right?


No. how a book preserve itself, dumpy?

Allah said in the Quran that He will be in charge of preserving it.

Now what you are missing is this:

You as a stupid kafir bound to hell who does not believe in Allah, should not believe that Allah is the Author of the Quran, while me as a BELIEVER, should believe that Allah is the Author of the Quran. Therefore your stupid understanding that you try hard to beautify it under the name of circular logic must contradict my belief.

Now I don’t bloody get it?

Are you trying to tell me that you are smarter than me because you are a kafir bound to hell?

Lol, but the result is not learnt yet, dumpy, we have to wait until both of us die, then we should see who was the fukin smarter. This should bloody take us again to mister Pascal and his Wager

In reality though, you cannot be smarter, because if God does not exist, then me and you will be fukin forgotten, You will not be able to come an tell me, see Ahmed, I was smarter than you. On the other fukin hand, if God exists, I will certainly come and tell you, hey dump kid, are you enjoying the blaze? Haha, certainly I will have a chance to come and humiliate you further and tell you, I was bloody smarter, dump kid

skynightblaze wrote:Again I can see faulty logic and nothing else.


Haha, look who is talking, the blind is telling me, I can see……

Dismiss yourself, blind


skynightblaze wrote:Something doesnt become corrupted and fabricated just because quran didnt sanction it otherwise all books other than quran would also be false if we are to use that logic.Hadiths dont become a lie just because quran didnt say anything about following them.


Again, confused, I PROVED THAT THE MAN MADE RUBBISH BOOKS OF CRAP USELESS HADITH ARE MASSIVELY CORRUPTED. Not once, not twice, not ten times, rather hundreds of times, and I still have more hundreds to expose.

A
skynightblaze wrote:t the max you can say that you cant follow them blindly but you can definitely take them as a source of information.


Doubtful information due to the MASSIVE CORRUPTION THAT IS CLEARLY PROVEN THEIERIN.

skynightblaze wrote:You can get a generalized picture of your con man and sadly for you that is of a criminal.


What that suppose to mean, kid?

Are you calling my prophet con man in a dialogue between us?

You need to clarify that before I continue replying to your crap

skynightblaze wrote:Apart from that quran itself testifying of its purity cannot be taken as a proof . Only dump pums like you can blindly believe in that.I hope you agree that a person under a charge in court cant ask to acquit himself on the basis of his own testimony alone.The case is similar here.

You dump , the terms like police,president ,judges etc etc werent coined in 6th century when the verse was revealed So what were the people in the 6th century and some centuries after the verse was revealed supposed to make of this verse if you say that these terms refer to policmen ,judges etc?


On hold.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:38 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:It merely says he traveled from point A to B without explaining what purpose this fulfilled


You were told to read the verse after the one you brought that mentionned the night journey and its purpose.


17:2 (Y. Ali) We gave Moses the Book, and made it a Guide to the Children of Israel, (commanding): "Take not other than Me as Disposer of (your) affairs."

There. There's the verse after 17:1. Now if you didn't mean that, then quote what you mean and explain it. This is the third time I've had to tell you this. Stop being so evasive. Evasiveness is nothing but another form of lying, although I'm sure you don't think so. Now lay it on the table and explain it like everybody else does.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran.


Of course it is, and i will make you google it and bring it here by yourself, just like i forced you regarding the night journey which you alleged was not in the Quran.


No liar, if you can't provide the verse, than the point stands. It's that simple. Nice try but nobody buys it. Now when are you going to be honest for once in your life and admit it simply isn't there?? My goodness, lying and evasiveness seem almost second nature to you. And you have to wonder why nobody trusts Muslims?? Here you are proving exactly why.

And, I already knew about the verse of the night journey in the Quran and have said in the past in other threads that the mention is pointless without the story behind it. So you didn't make me google anything you stupid moron.

And obviously, his listeners knew what he was talking about and the Quran was merely reminding the listeners about the journey, not informing them. The story that Muhammad himself uttered about it was something they already knew, and this is why the Quran didn't need to give any details, it just needed to remind them. It couldn't be any more obvious. When 17:1 mentioned the very vague term "signs", it was so vague because the listeners already knew what it was talking about so they didn't need details, and the Quran was merely reminding them. This is the same thing as the battle of Badr being briefly referenced in the Quran. It didn't explain that battle because the listeners already knew about it. It merely reminded them of it. So clearly, Muhammad already told them the story of his night journey, as per the account we all know, and this is clearly where the command to pray 5 times per day comes from. and you know i can go out on the street and ask practically any Muslim where the recommendation of 5 times per day comes from, and they will tell me the night journey. And You KNOW this, but you are a stubborn liar to the very core.

Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I had the last answer


Of course you did, you will always have to final answer in a discussion with anyone. However that does not make your "answer" any less idiotic than your "answers" in this very thread.


If it's idiotic, then you need to point out exactly why. That's what I do all of the time. Why can't you?? Fair enough, right? Otherwise, the point stands. What part don't you understand about debates?? You think that you can get away with arbitrarily declaring victory, and if you sound confident enough, people will simply believe you. Are you out of your mind?? Only a Muslim would think so stupidly, but all the non Muslims see right through it, so you fool, nor convince anyone. That stupid little, well worn out ploy simply does not work and it never did. And yet Muslims consistently attempt it. Again, who taught you your basics of reasoning? It's very twisted. And you really don't get it, do you. You actually think that you add up. Amazing.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:46 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
AhmedBahgat wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:So according to you , hadiths were never collected by muhammad and quran never said to follow the hadiths and hence they are corrupted


I never said so, confused

What I always say that there is no obligation upon any Muslim to believe in even 1 single man made hadith.


No, he's not confused, you're a liar. How many times how you called the hadiths nothing but man made garbage??

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:59 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Yohan wrote:
Eagle wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Praying 5 times per day is not uttered in the Quran.
Of course it is, and i will make you google it and bring it here by yourself, just like i forced you regarding the night journey which you alleged was not in the Quran.

Quran mentions only three prayers:
Only three Contact Prayers are mentioned by name in the Quran. In other words, the word "salaat" is qualified with descriptive words in three instances. These are:
1. Salaat-al Fajr-DAWN PRAYER (24:58; 11:114).
2. Salaat-al Esha-EVENING PRAYER (24:58; 17:78; 11:114)
3. Salaat-al Wusta- MIDDLE PRAYER (2:238; 17:78)"

Then how he hell did the 5 prayers come about? Did these Muslims know how to count right? Didn't Hindus teach Muslims how to count right?


He knows that, he's just going to see if he can lie his way out of this mess he's gotten himself into. Remember, this guy doesn't feel guilt or shame about lying, twisting, evading, distorting, diverting, diluting.....whatever it takes. That's obviously this guy's mantra, and it would appear to be a mantra for Muslims in general. When it comes to religious discussion, Muslims are the most dishonest people on the planet, bar none. And we see the evidence of that here every single day.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:26 pm
by AhmedBahgat
Salam all

Time for slam dunk #95, which is support to what my brother Eagle said, that the 5 times of salat are mentioned in Quran, let’s have a look shall we:

We have 5 salat/day:

1- Fajr (Dawn)
2- Zuhr (Noon)
3- Asr (Afternoon)
4- Maghrib (Sunset)
5- Isha (Night)

>> The first, fourth and fifth salat (Dawn, Sunset and Night) are mentioned indirectly in the following verse:

وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ۚ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّاكِرِينَ (114)
And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night. Indeed, good deeds remove evil deeds; that is a reminder for those who remember.
[Al Quran ; 11:114]

-> See: وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night.

As you have seen, the Quran refers to the first and fourth salat times (Dawn and Sunset) metaphorically by using the words: طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ , i.e. the two ends of the day. For Isha (Night) prayer, the Quran used the words: زُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. a portion of the night to refer to it.

>> The Dawn and Night prayer are also mentioned directly in the following verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ ۚ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ ۚ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ (58)
O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer (Isha); (these are) three times of privacy for you. And there is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these (three times), (when) some of you move around others. Thus does Allah explain to you the signs; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 24:58]

-> See: صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ , i.e. the dawn prayer (Fajr) , & صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ , i.e. the night prayer (Isha)

>> The third salat (Afternoon) is logically mentioned in the following verse:

حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ (238)
Maintain the prayers and the middle prayer, and stand up before Allah in obedience.
[Al Quran ; 2:238]

-> See: الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى , i.e. the middle prayer, which should be logically the third in five prayers/day, i.e. Al-Asr (Afternoon) prayer.

There is also a whole sura named Al-Asr in which we read how such time is very important in the sight of Allah:

وَالْعَصْرِ (1)
(I swear) by the afternoon.
[Al Quran ; 103:1]

>> The first, second, third, fourth and fifth salats are mentioned (metaphorically) in the following verse:

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا (78)
Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed.
[Al Quran ; 17:78]

- The second, third, fourth and fifth (Noon, Afternoon, Sunset and Night) prayers are mentioned in one expression implying continues action of prayer: أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night. From the decline of the sun means from the point where it is at the top of you, i.e. noon prayer until it disappears, i.e. going through the afternoon prayer and ending with sunset prayer. Then the prayer should continue until the night prayer is performed.

-> The first prayer (Dawn) was referred to as an action of reciting the Quran OF dawn: وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا , i.e. and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed. See how it is refereed to as the Quran OF dawn, not the Quran AT dawn, i.e. the recited Quran during Dawn prayer.

Here you have it kafirs, you have been slammed again. But hey, if you wont get sick of being slammed, I won’t get sick of slamming you:


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Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:35 pm
by yeezevee
AhmedBahgat wrote:Salam all

Time for slam dunk #95, which is support to what my brother Eagle said, that the 5 times of salat are mentioned in Quran, let’s have a look shall we:

We have 5 salat/day:

1- Fajr (Dawn)
2- Zuhr (Noon)
3- Asr (Afternoon)
4- Maghrib (Sunset)
5- Isha (Night)

>> The first, fourth and fifth salat (Dawn, Sunset and Night) are mentioned indirectly in the following verse:

وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ۚ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّاكِرِينَ (114)
And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night. Indeed, good deeds remove evil deeds; that is a reminder for those who remember.
[Al Quran ; 11:114]

-> See: وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and a portion of the night.

As you have seen, the Quran refers to the first and fourth salat times (Dawn and Sunset) metaphorically by using the words: طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ , i.e. the two ends of the day. For Isha (Night) prayer, the Quran used the words: زُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. a portion of the night to refer to it.

>> The Dawn and Night prayer are also mentioned directly in the following verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ ۚ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ ۚ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ (58)

O you who have believed! Let those whom your oaths possess and those of you who have not reached puberty ask your permission three times, before the dawn prayer (Fajr), and when you put aside your clothing at noon, and after the night prayer (Isha); (these are) three times of privacy for you. And there is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these (three times), (when) some of you move around others. Thus does Allah explain to you the signs; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[Al Quran ; 24:58]

Here you have it kafirs, you have been slammed again. But hey, if you wont get sick of being slammed, I won’t get sick of slamming you:


Look at those red colored words from robot and Let me throw some SLIME DUNG on him. look at that translation of 24:58 carefully from that lying robot. I am not sure where the hell he gets that "your oaths possess , one can as well translate that to "LOINS POSSES"?


Here are different translations for that 24:58 from different Arabic experts

YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence), on three occasions: before morning prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after the late-night prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Let your slaves, and those of you who have not come to puberty, ask leave of you at three times (before they come into your presence): Before the prayer of dawn, and when ye lay aside your raiment for the heat of noon, and after the prayer of night. Three times of privacy for you. It is no sin for them or for you at other times, when some of you go round attendant upon others (if they come into your presence without leave). Thus Allah maketh clear the revelations for you. Allah is Knower, Wise.

SHAKIR: O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar:  Believers, your slaves and the immature people must ask your permission three times a day before entering your house: before the morning prayer, at noon time and after the late evening prayer; these are most private times. After your permission has been granted, there is no harm if they come into your presence from time to time. This is how God explains His revelations to you. God is All-knowing and All-wise

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah & Ahmad Darwish: Believers, let those your right hand owns and those who have not come of age ask permission of you three times before the dawn prayer, when you put aside your garments, in the heat of noon, and after the night prayer. These are the three occasions of privacy. There is no fault in you or them, apart from these, that they go about you, you are of each other. As such Allah makes plain to you His verses, Allah is the Knower, the Wise.

Rashad Kalifa:  O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances - before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Shabbir Ahmed:  (Your social mannerism begins at home.) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Let your servants and children who have not yet come of age ask your permission before coming in to see you on three occasions: Before you engage in your assignments at dawn, at noon when you are resting with light clothes, and after you have completed your assignments at night. These are your three times of privacy. At other times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about freely, attending to one another. In this way, Allah makes clear to you the revelations, for, Allah is All Knowing, Wise.

Abdel Haleem:  Believers, your slaves and any who have not yet reached puberty should ask your permission to come in at three times of day: before the dawn prayer; when you lay your garments aside in the midday heat; and after the evening prayer. These are your three times for privacy; at other times, there is no blame on you or them if you move around each other freely. In this way God makes messages clear: God is all knowing, all wise.

Ali Quli Qara'i: O you who have faith! Let your permission be sought by your slaves and those of you who have not reached puberty three times: before the dawn prayer, and when you put off your garments at noon, and after the night prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. Apart from these, it is not sinful of you or them to frequent one another [freely]. Thus does Allah clarify the signs for you, and Allah is all-knowing, all-wise.

Ahmed Ali: O you who believe, let your dependants and those who have not yet reached the age of puberty, ask permission (to enter your presence) on three occasions: Before the early morning prayer; when you disrobe for the mid-day siesta; and after prayer at night. These are the three occasions of dishabille for you. There is no harm if you or they visit one another at other times (without permission). God thus explains things to you clearly, for God is all-knowing and all-wise.

Aisha Bewley: You who have iman! those you own as slaves and those of you who have not yet reached puberty should ask your permission to enter at three times: before the Dawn Prayer, when you have undressed at noon, and after the Salat al-‘Isha’ – three times of nakedness for you. There is nothing wrong for you or them at other times in moving around among yourselves from one to another. In this way Allah makes the Signs clear to you. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Ali Ünal:  O you who believe! Let (even) those whom your right hands possess (as slaves), as well as those of you (your children) who have not yet reached puberty, ask for your permission (before they come into your private room) at three times (of the day) – before the Morning Prayer, and when you lay aside your garments in the middle of the day for rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are your three times of privacy. Beyond these occasions, there is no blame on you nor on them if they come in without permission – they are bound to move about you, some of you attending on others. Thus God makes clear for you (the instructions in) the Revelations. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Forget that afternoon prayers., what all my man Mr. PBUH saying in this ayah through his sock puppet Allah is.,

You idiots, I am resting with one of my voluptuous wives /concubines in the afternoons. So you stupid followers, slaves and children who have not yet reached puberty, don't enter the room without permission ..

And Muslims like robot, twist, turn and lie to cover the clothes of our naked Prophet by using acrobatic jugglery of Arabic words.. so take that dung on your face dear robot.. That particular ayah is nothing but it shows SODOM character of Mr. PBUH in the afternoon times. And guys like you invent all sorts silly translation from that simple ayah..

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:01 am
by piscohot
AhmedBahgat wrote:But at the end of the day, we dont need written books to tell us how to pray or how to fast or how to do hajj, this is called PRACTICAL SUNNAH, which is inherited ORALLY and was practices 5 times a day (for prayer) and once a year (for fasting and doing hajj), impossible that the early Muslims would have ever forgotten that, and consequently we the later Muslims inherited ORALLY from them


AhmedBag'O'sh!t said hadith is Mr. A telling Mr. B who then told Mr. C and so on...

and the Practical Sunnah is also Mr. A telling Mr. B who then told Mr. C and so on...

what is the difference?

why impossible? It could have been changed, even minor changes, somewhere along the oral tranmission.Like this:



impossible? :lol:
So why is there a need to have this video?



practical sunnah...impossible to forget :roflmao:

ps. better check your praying posture Bahgat, you could have been doing it wrong all this time.

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:36 am
by AhmedBahgat
Ahmed says to inmate piss:

shove that finger up your filthy arse

Re: Praying/Fasting/Hajj in Quran?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:44 am
by piscohot
AhmedBahgat wrote:Ahmed says to inmate piss:

shove that finger up your filthy arse


You are butted again, Bag'O'sh!t.

Is that what Muhammad was doing with his finger during prayer?

Shoving it up the arse of the guy in front of him?

Why aren't you guys following this long lost anal..oops... i mean oral tranmission?

The question here is WHERE IN THE QURAN is it stated on how to pray.

NOT FOLLOWING SOME DUMB ORAL INSTRUCTIONS OVER THE YEARS.

dumb