Can the Koran be... uncreated?

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Can the Koran be... uncreated?

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According to the mainstream Islamic scholars, the Koran as the Speech of God (Kalam Allah) is uncreated. That a book, written in a created
language, could be uncreated defies human logic. Still this is a firm belief, uphold by their schools of laws, like the Hanabilites...

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Hanbal (-founder of the Hanabilites school of law-) disagreed with the Jahmites' and the Mu`tazilites' view that that no other eternals exist except God because the eternal is God and God is One. Hanbal believed that Hell and Paradise are eternal because God made them eternal..... Since the speech of God is an Attribute, and God is eternal, all of God's Attributes are eternal as well. The Jahmites and the Mu`tazilites believe that God created His words to make Moses able to understand His words.

Hanbal believed that the Koran is uncreated because the Koran is the word of God and the word of God is not created, and thus the Koran is God's word or speech and His revelation. The Mu`taziltes and the Jahmites believe that the Koran, which is readable and touchable, is created like other created creatures and beings. Ibn Hanbal maintained that the Koran is indeed a thing, but that it is not created like other created things. Hanbal refused to include the Koran in the category of the created creatures of God like the earth and the heavens. There are other existing things not mentioned by God that they are created by God. Among those things are the Chair, the Throne and the Guarded Tablet (Lawh-i-Mahfuz). They are not among the created creatures like the earth and the heavens. Hence Hanbal asserted that the Koran is uncreated.
Surah 97: Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Predestination. Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Night of Power is!
The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of
their Lord, with all decrees. (The night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn.

16.2: He sendeth down the angels with the Spirit of His command unto whom He will of His bondmen, (saying):
Warn mankind that there is no God save Me, so keep your duty unto Me.

56.76-80: And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew - That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an
In a Book kept hidden Which none toucheth save the purified, A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

85.21-22: And Allah, all unseen, surroundeth them. Nay, but it is a glorious Qur'an. On a guarded tablet.

The Salafists maintain that 7.54 separates the Koran from Allah's creation: ''His verily is all creation -and- commandment.''

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The Quran obviously didn't always exist as a book, otherwise this would imply that there was a material tablet that also existed eternally. But if there was an eternal tablet, this then leads to the dilemma that matter and space are not created. After all, for there to be an eternal tablet in heaven it must occupy space and a material form of some kind, and therefore implies that Allah isn't the only entity that is eternal. Thus, for the Quran to eternally exist, and yet to have existed even before it became a book, implies that the Quran existed as a conscious, personal entity alongside Allah.

The Muslim will have to agree that the Quran did not eternally exist as a book, in a material form, which means that it either existed in the mind of Allah or as a distinct entity coexisting with Allah. If the former, then this means that Allah has been conversing with himself before there was anything else, which leads us to the second point mentioned above, i.e. that Allah was praying or reciting the fatihah to himself in eternity.

There is an additional problem with this position, since everything existed in the mind of God in the sense that God perfectly knows and has decreed everything that will exist. So to say that the Quran existed in the mind of God implies that the Quran's preexistence is really not much different than any other aspect of creation, with the exception that it is held to be the revelation of God. But even here it isn't unique, since the Quran speaks of creation as a revelation of God, i.e. the manifold signs of Allah to humans of his existence.

The Quran even classifies the other books given through prophets and messengers as revelation, and these books also existed within God's mind...... Moreover, if the Quran is Allah's uncreated speech, existing from eternity, then this means that all the events and conversations found within it were preordained. In other words, Allah must have predestined all the acts, words, deeds etc. mentioned in the Quran....
As stated above, a preexisting Koran implies that time, matter and space weren't created, nor alphabets,
not even the prophets including Muhammad, existing from all eternity. Nothing thus having been created,
Allah stands as the only one that ever existed and ever will exist. Which of course contradicts... the Koran!
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.

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