9.30 is irrefutable error. why are you insist to deny?

[ygalg]

"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah" is theologically and historically incoherence.

you know it is an error. but still continue as you have not acknowledge.
why? is it from political aspect or social? are you benefit from this lie? or perhaps you indeed be brainwashed to extent that you unable to perceive?

[AhmedBahgat]

"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah" is theologically and historically incoherence.

you know it is an error. but still continue as you have not acknowledge.
why? is it from political aspect or social? are you benefit from this lie? or perhaps you indeed be brainwashed to extent that you unable to perceive?

Haha, can you prove that some jews during Mohammed time did not claim so?

you can not, consequently dismiss your itchy arse

[piscohot]

@Ahmed and salah,

9:30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The messiah is the son of Allah; that is their saying of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who have disbelieved before; may Allah fight them; how are they deluded?

Did the quran say 'some jews'? Or did the quran, a book for all ages mentioned 'THE jews'?

According to your explanations then, Ahmed and salah, it is ONLY 'some' christians too who said that Christ is the son of Allah?

Since ALL christians believed that the Messiah is the son of god and the quran mentioned them as ' the christians', then 'the jews' mentioned in the same verse would meant ALL jews.

'Allah' never said 'some' jews in the quran.

Please have some integrity and offer a better explanation.

If you can't, there's always the 'Allah knows best'.

[Pragmatist]

@Piscohot

The other poster has already answered well, when he said,"Haha, can you prove that some jews during Mohammed time did not claim so? you can not, consequently dismiss your itchy arse."

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

Yep its always those JOOS to blame for everything isn't it Mohammedan

[KhaliL]

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

The burden of proof is on the asserter. Quran claims Jews said "Uzair is the son of god" It is unto Quranists then to prove the contention.

Dig deep down the history and find evidences for this absurd claim Quran made. Jews in seventh century Arabia were refugees from Babylon. If they have to claim "Ezra is the son of god" there should be indictators for it in either Tanakh or Babylonian Talmud. Or you may use Extra-scriptural sources too.

Go on. Prove Jews believed in Ezra being the son of god. Once you prove your case, we will scrutinize and consider refuting it.

Rgs
KhaliL

[piscohot]

@Piscohot

The other poster has already answered well, when he said,"Haha, can you prove that some jews during Mohammed time did not claim so? you can not, consequently dismiss your itchy arse."

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

hello salah,

Ahmed is the 'redefinition' expert in FFI.

There is a big difference in the terms 'THE jews' and 'SOME jews'.

Did the quran said 'the' jews or did the quran said 'some' jews?

Ahmed answered nothing at all. He just made up another story.

You must be getting confused. I don't have to show anything. It's the quran mentioning that THE jews said Uzair was the son of god.

Here's a fact: You will not find even one jew believing that Uzair was the son of Allah.

[Aksel Ankersen]

The Jews weren't even worshiping Allah... why would they want to worship his son?

[Nosubmission]

Muslims have to prove not only that Jews believed Uzair to be the Son of God, but also that Jews interpreted this doctrine in the same way as Christians did for the sake of the parallelism drawn between Jews and Christians in the verse. If they cannot do such a thing, they will have to admit that Mohammad's scribes were a bunch of idiots.

Claiming without historic evidence that "some unknown and unheard Jews" fell into a heresy about Uzair will not save the Koran off the hook. This is mostly because the verse in question refers to the basic tenet of traditional and mainstream Christianity while making a so-called comparison between Christians and Jews. One wonders why the Koran would commit the logical fallacy of false analogy by judging ALL Christians and some members of an unknown heretical Jewish group. One also wonders why the Koran nowhere refers to heretical Jews while talking of Jewish doctrines. For instance, the Koran does not say that "the Jews do not believe in bodily resurrection, the immortality of the soul, and angels" although some Jews (Sadducees) denied all these tenets.

[Pragmatist]

The Jews weren't even worshiping Allah... why would they want to worship his son?

LOL why is it that Mohammedans can't see the mess it gets them in to when they spout all the BS that they do. Their tiny little brains seem incapable of realising the consequences of their idiotic claims and the contradictions they raise and the absurdity that makes of their perverted profit their allah and their krap kran.

[AhmedBahgat]

Ahmed chose to reply to one of the inmates of the CCCLD:

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

The burden of proof is on the asserter. Quran claims Jews said "Uzair is the son of god" It is unto Quranists then to prove the contention.

What a real jerk you are, let me prove it to you, jerk:

you are the one who claims that it is a mistake, therefore the onus is upon your anus to prove it

on the other hand, only the believers believe that what the Quran says is true, we also do not want a kafir bound to hell like you to believe, and guess what you jerk: YOU ALREADY DISBELIEVE IN IT, hahahahahah, so what you are trying to prove exactly, you jerk?, prove it to yourself so you do not believe in it while you already do not believe in it?

now, if you want to spew crap and claim that as such is a mistake in the Quran, you need to prove beyond an atom weight of fukin doubt that none of the jews during Mohammed time or before him cliamed so, OTHER THAN THAT, you may keep itchy and piss off

Back with your inmates, you criminal

[AhmedBahgat]

Muslims have to prove not only that Jews believed Uzair to be the Son of God,

Look who is talking, hahahahah

why don't you prove to us that Jesus was the son of god, you stupid christian and idol worshipper?

[Pragmatist]

Ahmed chose to reply to one of the inmates of the CCCLD:

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

The burden of proof is on the asserter. Quran claims Jews said "Uzair is the son of god" It is unto Quranists then to prove the contention.

What a real jerk you are, let me prove it to you, jerk:

you are the one who claims that it is a mistake, therefore the onus is upon your anus to prove it

on the other hand, only the believers believe that what the Quran says is true, we also do not want a kafir bound to hell like you to believe, and guess what you jerk: YOU ALREADY DISBELIEVE IN IT, hahahahahah, so what you are trying to prove exactly, you jerk?, prove it to yourself so you do not believe in it while you already do not believe in it?

now, if you want to spew crap and claim that as such is a mistake in the Quran, you need to prove beyond an atom weight of fukin doubt that none of the jews during Mohammed time or before him cliamed so, OTHER THAN THAT, you may keep itchy and piss off

Back with your inmates, you criminal

This is why Mohammedans are completely useless at logic they want to try and make people prove a negative. It must be the brainwashing as Sum says.

[Pragmatist]

Muslims have to prove not only that Jews believed Uzair to be the Son of God,

Look who is talking, hahahahah

why don't you prove to us that Jesus was the son of god, you stupid christian and idol worshipper?

Why can't he have FAITH just like you always use as your excuse for the paedophile profit and his sock puppet allah?

[Nosubmission]

Muslims have to prove not only that Jews believed Uzair to be the Son of God,

Look who is talking, hahahahah

why don't you prove to us that Jesus was the son of god, you stupid christian and idol worshipper?

Hey pathetic follower of the pagan jigolo of the desert

You are addicted to logical fallacies, right? I have not asked you to prove that the Koran came from Allah or your pagan Mohammad was a true prophet. We are not discussing here if Islamic doctrines are "theologically" true or false, but if what Islam teaches about other religions are "historically" true. I hope you can see the difference.

Stop falling prostrate before impertinence, which you claim to be your deity and savior.

[Brendalee]

Ahmed chose to reply to one of the inmates of the CCCLD:

You have to show that the Jews did not say so. How do you know they did not say that? The Jews said so many things. They are the ones who made Jesus the son of God. Anything can be expected from them.

The burden of proof is on the asserter. Quran claims Jews said "Uzair is the son of god" It is unto Quranists then to prove the contention.

What a real jerk you are, let me prove it to you, jerk:

you are the one who claims that it is a mistake, therefore the onus is upon your anus to prove it

on the other hand, only the believers believe that what the Quran says is true, we also do not want a kafir bound to hell like you to believe, and guess what you jerk: YOU ALREADY DISBELIEVE IN IT, hahahahahah, so what you are trying to prove exactly, you jerk?, prove it to yourself so you do not believe in it while you already do not believe in it?

now, if you want to spew crap and claim that as such is a mistake in the Quran, you need to prove beyond an atom weight of fukin doubt that none of the jews during Mohammed time or before him cliamed so, OTHER THAN THAT, you may keep itchy and piss off

Back with your inmates, you criminal

Not at all, Ahmed. It is the QURAN which makes the assertion in the first place. There is not one credible piece of independent evidence for this assertion. Therefore this assertion has NO BASIS in reality. The onus of proof is always on the assertion. There is no way to prove a negative.

[Brendalee]

NOBODY needs to prove without an atoms doubt that no Jew ever DIDN'T say something. This is ridiculous. How could there be evidence of something someone DIDN'T say? It is not possible to prove a negative, and there cannot be a negative assertion - only a response to a positive assertion. I cannot argue that pixies DON'T exist unless someone somewhere has asserted that they do. My argument is not an ASSERTION but the DENIAL of an assertion which has been made by someone else. I have every right to deny their assertion and demand evidence the moment they make their assertion.

The Quran makes claims about THE Jews and it is this assertion which has been made without proof or credible evidence. ONE Jew SAYING it would not make it TRUE. Even 20 Jews SAYING it would not make it true.

The Quran does not say that one, two, or twenty Jews say this. It says that the JEWS will be held to account for saying "Uzair is the son of god". There is no evidence that the JEWS ever said such a thing, and it can be found NOWHERE in Jewish sources. The writer of the Quran came to a conclusion and made an ASSERTION for which no evidence exists.

[Cassie]

The axiom is for the POSITIVE CLAIMANT to provide the evidence, Ahmed. Therefore, it is up to Muslims to do so.

[ygalg]

It should not come as a surprise. After all a handful of Jews also made Jesus the son of God in the heart of Israel. Right? It is possible. Jews living in Arabia and Yemen were not following the Pharisees and the Saducees.

the possibility there will be jews that would depart from Judaic tenet perchance.
in consideration that jews are phenomenal beings, that everything they have done or do have not gone unnoticed even today jews are in center of attention. jews have the habit to record their history. otherwise how would we knew about Bar-Kokheva revolt or the ruins of the jewish temple? or about Omar caliph Chronicles in Jewish land? however jews who made jesus the son of god, is not historical. but based on Christian texts.

Koran does not make a statement over certain jews. this what you're unable to precieve. which is odd for a muslim who supposed to know better than kaffir. apparently it is the opposite result.

[ygalg]

"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah" is theologically and historically incoherence.

you know it is an error. but still continue as you have not acknowledge.
why? is it from political aspect or social? are you benefit from this lie? or perhaps you indeed be brainwashed to extent that you unable to perceive?

Haha, can you prove that some jews during Mohammed time did not claim so?

you can not, consequently dismiss your itchy arse

dear AhmedBahgat. I notice you making interpretation of Koran which you confident is to be the correct one. sadly you have put yourself in same condemnation of your peers which you find their interpretations of koran wrong.

[sum]

Which Koran is my very good friend, AhmedBahgat, using as a source? Is it the original religious arabic Koran with no diacritical points or the modern arabic translation, with diacritical points, of the old religious arabic?

I hope that someone translates AhmedBahgat`s English into proper English although this might change the meaning and lead to disputes.

sum