Dr. Ali Sina says "Less evolved sub species of human race"

[ukavinda]

Dr.Ali Sina says that Muslims are "less evolved sub species of human race" in one of his debate.
Mr. Haroon Yahya, tries to prove that the evoloutionary theory of Mr. Charles Darwin to be wrong. This he does in order to take away the attention of Muslims from Quran and Hadiths which are so damaging.
Since, Muslims go on killing all the intelligent people amoung them (Selective breeding, which proves the theory of evolution) they have become a sub species, and in near future, they would become a seperate species, if this process continues, disproving Mr.Haroon Yahiya by Muslims themselves.
They would be less human.
Quran says a "beast" will come as a last messenger. Are they preparing themselves for that?

[Aksel Ankersen]

I don't agree, Muslims are not a genetically distinct group.

Also, they are human just like us. Being misguided or (even depraved) doesn't make you inhuman.

[diotima64]

Dr.Ali Sina says that Muslims are "less evolved sub species of human race" in one of his debate.

If Ali DOES say something like that (link, please) he is completely and utterly wrong.

[yeezevee]

ukavinda says Dr.Ali Sina says that Muslims are "less evolved sub species of human race" in one of his debate.

diotima64 responds : If Ali DOES say something like that (link, please) he is completely and utterly wrong.

.. One of the problems with selective quoting of Ali or for that matter some one else as Mr. ukavinda is doing here is so called "CONTEXT".. or " out of context selective quoting". It is same as that people from Q'uran or for that matter any other religious book..

For example, if Some Brutal Idiot killing 100s of Passengers with a machine gun in a Railway station for NO reason and they have done nothing to this Brute at any time. , Then I would say "SUCH HUMAN BEING IS BRUTAL SUB SPECIES Human Race".,

So it is vital to give a link and carefully to see the context + reason for such statements that may or may not have come fro Ali..

with best regards
yeezevee

[Ace]

He is wrong.

[ukavinda]

When Mr. Ali Sina says that, what he meant by the context is, since Muslims can not use their faculty of reasoning and positive emotions(which were taken out by Islam) they have degraded them self into an animal state, the one who follows it comprehensively.
Mr.Ali Sina and I have come out of that, to being to be human. But remember I could have gone to that state If I have not come accross Buddhism.
This statement agrees with Lord Buddha's Teaching as well!
He did not categorise Humanity accourding to thier faith or belief. But accourding to their actions.
1. Sathpurusha -Good human
2. Asathpurusha - Bad human (dishonest, cheating, etc.,)
3. Thiraschina - Animal (Raping , Murdering)
When I read Mr. Ali Sina's Articles, I wonder whether he is a Buddhist. To become a Buddhist one need not know waht Buddha has taught. Buddhi means "wise and intelligent". When one exersices that faculty, his Buddhi develops, whereby he understand the truth on his own.
One day in one of his brith he can become Enlightened. That is to become a Buddha himself.
May Dr. Ali Sina become a Buddha or Sama SamBuddha, and lead the humanity to salvation!

[sum]

For a long time I have stated that muslims are a sub-species of humanity. I am not claiming that it is a genetic matter but it is most certainly caused by generation after generation of mind manipulation. The mind manipulation does to the muslim brain what the binding of the feet did to Chinese women. The muslim brain and the Chinese women`s feet never function properly again.

Posts have been made showing that the reaction of the brain, as shown by scans, can be changed according to how the brain has been indoctrinated. The muslims know this without the benefit of the scans and have refined the mind manipulation over the centuries. Goebels knew the benefit of indoctrination.

I have been told by ex-muslims that once a child has had a thorough Islamic indoctrination through their formative years they become "lost" to normal humanity. The Palestinians know the Islamic benefit of indoctrination through childhood and rely on this to provide suicide bombers etc.

Muslims, in my opinion, are a sub-species of humanity and I do not think that the masses can be reached.

sum

[Ansar al-Zindiqi]

I wouldn't say anything like this and I sure don't entertain any notions of anybody being "subhuman" or a "less evolved sub species". It's not a winning choice of words and seems like an open declaration of intellectual bankruptcy. How many people are going to take such words seriously or want to listen to someone who states such things? Far less than if someone doesn't say such things and has a better choice of words. Look, I'm not asking for dogmatic conformity but I would like those who decide to state such things to at least keep in mind that there are plenty others who refuse to think that way and finds the use of such phrases to be morally repugnant.

[Aksel Ankersen]

For a long time I have stated that muslims are a sub-species of humanity. I am not claiming that it is a genetic matter but it is most certainly caused by generation after generation of mind manipulation. The mind manipulation does to the muslim brain what the binding of the feet did to Chinese women. The muslim brain and the Chinese women`s feet never function properly again.

So what do you think of the apostates on FFI... Ruby, Finally Free, sword of truth etc? Their minds are unbound... what problem do you see in their brains?

[sum]

Hello AA

Your quote -
So what do you think of the apostates on FFI... Ruby, Finally Free, sword of truth etc? Their minds are unbound... what problem do you see in their brains?

Nothing is absolute when dealing with people. If some muslims do not receive, or are not as receptive as others to the full Islamic brainwashing, then, if they have the strength of character to investigate matters they will be able to see the falsehood in Islam. I have nothing but total admiration for those who review what they have been told and decide to become apostates.

The muslims who blindly accept all that Islam dictates are accepting a set of standards, laws etc that fly in the face of humanity and common sense. It is difficult to explain this away other than by believing that the indoctrination has affected the way that their brains works. As I have said, the first signs of understanding this process are now coming from brain scans. Muslims know that brainwashing works - they might not know how but they use it with incredible effect. Goebbels used it. Other religions use it but they all have the Golden Rule at the core which only Islam does not.

If the end result is a mass of people, muslims, who have such different views including hate, enmity, intolerance, intention to subjugate then something significant has happened to their minds. Just take a look at the muslims, past and present, on FFI and no matter how much argument you put forward or how much you can illustrate the inhumanity or Muhammad`s paedophilia they will not change their views. It is as though their brains have been reprogrammed and the key thrown away.

If this is the case then the true muslims have been rendered a different strain of humanity, not through genetics but by mind manipulation. How else can you explain matters and how else would you describe muslims?

sum

[sum]

Hello Ansar al_Zindiqi

Your quote -
I wouldn't say anything like this and I sure don't entertain any notions of anybody being "subhuman" or a "less evolved sub species". It's not a winning choice of words and seems like an open declaration of intellectual bankruptcy.

I do not know if your post was directed at me but I would like to say that I would agree with you if the "subhuman" and "less evolved sub-species" were all that were mentioned as it would be at the "yah-boo" level. However, I have added my reasons to substantiate my views and feel that the expressions are valid. I also think that they must be said even if they are not continually dwelled upon, as the truth, as I see it, must be said. It will catch people`s attention and what they make of the arguments after that remains to be seen. If I felt "insulted" I would want to know more about why I was "insulted" to see if there was any truth or fair comment in the "insult".

sum

[charleslemartel]

It is as though their brains have been reprogrammed and the key thrown away.

In a sense, human brain is like a computer; there is hardware (the physical brain itself) and there is software (conditioning and indoctrination). If one is faulty, the system does not work properly as it should.

It is not the grey matter in their heads which is lacking; it is the program, the faulty and an unstable OS which induces them towards destruction instead of construction. It is like some "loop" in the program is recursing indefinitely.

[Ansar al-Zindiqi]

I wouldn't use the terms "subhuman" or "less evolved species of human" that's for sure. Besides, touting the use of such phrases hardly serves an explanatory purpose except to get laughed at and worse. How do you explain that Muslims are "subhuman" without someone getting the impression that you are a raving Nazi or (at the least) a cryptic one? There are better ways of describing Muslims and saying such things is hardly descriptive at all. How well does this impact on a person in doubt who considers themselves to be Muslim nominally when they read such things? Well, the result is a lot of people staying away from this site since the founder (who, once upon a time, wrote in the spirit of "ratonal thinking" regressed into infantile rants that reek of having murder in the heart). And since he's lost his sanity (if he ever had any) there are others who are emulating that behavior and it's too bad that you are one of them.

To top it off it leaves open a huge gateway for those ex-Muslims and leftwing sympathizers of jihadists to exploit by allowing themselves to nurture and persist in their own hatred of Jews while regressing into dhimmmitude. Which, by the way, is done by behind using fuzzy, coded language like "anti-Zionism", "anti-imperialism", etc. Many leftists are doing what they can to stop any awareness of Islam and when those who oppose Islam decide to show a fascistic side it makes the rest of us look really bad. When this is done over and over again to the point of being chronic it destroys the mission of this website and forum. Do you really care if this website and forum are seen as being full of wing nuts and then having links to threads here that are disgusting highlighted all over the Internet? I do.

So just trying to justify the use of such phrases is pretty much being in the same predicament as a Muslims who defends the actions of Muhammad. You are trying to defend the indefensible. That leaves the rest of us who have been witness to the recent Twin Meltdowns to wonder what can be done when we realize that that there are fools to left of us and jokers to the right . . . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrm7ZQ0aMA

[Aksel Ankersen]

I wouldn't use the terms "subhuman" or "less evolved species of human" that's for sure. Besides, touting the use of such phrases hardly serves an explanatory purpose except to get laughed at and worse. How do you explain that Muslims are "subhuman" without someone getting the impression that you are a raving Nazi or (at the least) a cryptic one? There are better ways of describing Muslims and saying such things is hardly descriptive at all. How well does this impact on a person in doubt who considers themselves to be Muslim nominally when they read such things? Well, the result is a lot of people staying away from this site since the founder (who, once upon a time, wrote in the spirit of "ratonal thinking" regressed into infantile rants that reek of having murder in the heart). And since he's lost his sanity (if he ever had any) there are others who are emulating that behavior and it's too bad that you are one of them.

I have noticed a substantial dip in site traffic since '08, up till then it was doubling by the year.

If nothing else, this thread shows that the anti-Islam posters don't slavishly adhere to Ali Sina and there is a diversity of opinion.

[sum]

Hello Ansar al_Zindiqi

Are the following quotes directed to me? Your post was not addressed to any particular person.

And since he's lost his sanity (if he ever had any) there are others who are emulating that behavior and it's too bad that you are one of them.

Do you really care if this website and forum are seen as being full of wing nuts and then having links to threads here that are disgusting highlighted all over the Internet?

So just trying to justify the use of such phrases is pretty much being in the same predicament as a Muslims who defends the actions of Muhammad. You are trying to defend the indefensible. That leaves the rest of us who have been witness to the recent Twin Meltdowns to wonder what can be done when we realize that that there are fools to left of us and jokers to the right . . . . .

sum

[souldoctor]

For a long time I have stated that muslims are a sub-species of humanity. I am not claiming that it is a genetic matter but it is most certainly caused by generation after generation of mind manipulation. The mind manipulation does to the muslim brain what the binding of the feet did to Chinese women. The muslim brain and the Chinese women`s feet never function properly again.

Posts have been made showing that the reaction of the brain, as shown by scans, can be changed according to how the brain has been indoctrinated. The muslims know this without the benefit of the scans and have refined the mind manipulation over the centuries. Goebels knew the benefit of indoctrination.

I have been told by ex-muslims that once a child has had a thorough Islamic indoctrination through their formative years they become "lost" to normal humanity. The Palestinians know the Islamic benefit of indoctrination through childhood and rely on this to provide suicide bombers etc.

Muslims, in my opinion, are a sub-species of humanity and I do not think that the masses can be reached.

sum

Hi Sum, long time. I don't come on here very often but this is such intellectual dullard-ry I couldn't help but rise to the bait.

a) To compare the brain to feet is a complete idiocy in the first instance, I recall you being a GP, but perhaps medical education back in your days wasn't that advanced. I'm currently a Rheumatology SHO, just applied for psychiatry. Anyway all that regardless, the main weakness of your argument about "muslim brains",if i understand it correctly, is that individuals like me and those at whom this website is directed exist- i.e EX-muslims, or agnostics etc. If the mind manipulation of my muslim upbringing had done what physical binding does to chinese women's feet, then there is no way I would have rejected Islam and believe what I do now. And , again to state the obvious, if your argument were true, there would never be an ex-Muslim in existence, because all our brains would have been irreversibly corrupted as you mistaken imply. My brain functions fine thanks despite having been a muslim til i was 22-23ish.

b) "reaction of the brain, as shown by scans, can be changed according to how the brain has been indoctrinated. The muslims know this without the benefit of the scans and have refined the mind manipulation over the centuries. Goebels knew the benefit of indoctrination.."

You *are* a doctor, right? What scans? Please tell me and give me the PubMed references. "Reaction of the brain" ? Could you be any less scientific? Everyone's brain is wired differently.

c) "Muslims, in my opinion, are a sub-species of humanity and I do not think that the masses can be reached."

Your opinion is pretty worthless in this context, and is wrong. Challenge me or argue a better point, the only reason I am replying to this post even though I've effectively left this website is because its entire content was so horrifically bad.

EDIT:
And as for evolution, anyone with a basic grasp of the theory of evolution knows that there's no such thing as "more" or "less" evolved in terms absolute, only relative. In the arctic, an arctic wolf is more evolved than we are - for that environment. The giraffe is more evolved for an environment where the only food is up on tall trees than we are. What the hell does "more" or "less" evolved mean, please explain? Intellectual capacity is not a measure of how 'evolved' someone is for an environment, it's all relative.

[yeezevee]

Soul Doctor. How are you doing., good to see you back in FFI.., Sum is in trouble and You say to Sum

If the mind manipulation of my muslim upbringing had done what physical binding does to chinese women's feet, then there is no way I would have rejected Islam and believe what I do now. ..

I don't get that., Why?? Why can't you be bit more clear for fools like me?? ., What do you mean by "YOU WOULD HAVE REJECTED ISLAM"??.. Why did you reject?? Did you?? when did you reject that dear Soul D??>.

...I still maintain that if ijtihad can be practised using the Qu'ran with precedence over hadith (as it is meant to be), then it would be quite possible to draw up a sensible new Shariah which is much more in line with modern thinking and morals..it just needs someone to liberate mecca from these wahhabis!!

I doubt that even after my exams i'll have time to go through every verse of every surah in the quran you find objectionable, but i would appreciate it if you could highlight to me some of those you find to be the most disturbing (i.e the ones with the most violent or sexually inappropriate undertones in your percption), as I would like to see if I can apply my own viewpoint to them and see if I can show you how they might not necessarily be as bad as you make out.....

That was ~3 years back from you?
So many question are bugging me on that dec 2005 post of yours dear Soul Doc., But I am so glad to read you..

with best wishes and happy new year
yeezevee

[sum]

Hello souldoctor

Welcome back, souldoctor. I hope that your rheumatology goes well and that your move into psychiatry is rewarding.

Your quote –
To compare the brain to feet is a complete idiocy in the first instance,

I have to disagree. The point that I am making is that if you thwart normal function over a long period of time then normal function is not always fully restored. I stand by that.

Your quote –
I recall you being a GP, but perhaps medical education back in your days wasn't that advanced.

Perhaps so but what you fail to realize is that education and learning do not stop the moment you finally walk out of the medical school doors for the last time. Education and learning continue throughout your professional years and you are obliged to keep up to date. You will come to realize this as time passes.

Your quote –
If the mind manipulation of my muslim upbringing had done what physical binding does to chinese women's feet, then there is no way I would have rejected Islam and believe what I do now.

Perhaps you did not see my qualification of this point where I said that with people nothing is absolute and not everyone is as receptive or receives the same intensity of indoctrination.

Your quote –
You *are* a doctor, right? – Yes

Could you be any less scientific? – Yes

Here is an initial insight into matters -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szal ... iew=screen

Your quote –
Your opinion is pretty worthless in this context, and is wrong.

I maintain that Islam has separated muslims from the rest of humanity. They are compelled to accept what the non-muslim world regards as unacceptable and against natural human conscience. Is it right to accept a religion, and believe it, that regards all non-muslims as unclean, impure and best avoided? You should know as you were brought up as a muslim.

How would you regard muslims and Islam with regard to the rest of humanity? You obviously disagreed with Muhammad and the Koran but the rest of the muslims stay with Islam and do not fully integrate. Muslims in the forum have stated that they are not allowed to have non-muslims as close friends. This is not normal. If a religion teaches its followers that the Golden Rule does not apply to non-muslims and the muslims accept this then something has happened to their brains and made them different to the rest of the world.

Some time ago I had pms from ex-muslims who said that once children reached the teenage years they were lost to the rest of humanity. Goebbels believed in indoctrination. Islam believes in indoctrination. I read an article where the Chinese are supposed to ban children from going to the mosque until they reach teenage years. This would be a damage limitation exercise against Islamic indoctrination.

When you do your paediatrics you will have talks with social workers who will tell you how a child`s upbringing affects its behavior and attitudes later in life. Everything points to the fact that brain manipulation, especially through childhood, affects the way that it perceives people and life in general. Do you think that it is normal for muslims to be terrified of making any criticism of Muhammad or anything in the Koran? Not one will do this. This is far from normal and only a controlled mind could fall into this situation.

Do you accept the concept of indoctrination? Do you think that it is possible to manipulate the mind into accepting things that would otherwise be regarded as unacceptable and evil? I would claim that the evidence is all around you.

sum

[Ansar al-Zindiqi]

Soul Doctor. How are you doing., good to see you back in FFI.., Sum is in trouble and You say to Sum

If the mind manipulation of my muslim upbringing had done what physical binding does to chinese women's feet, then there is no way I would have rejected Islam and believe what I do now. ..

I don't get that., Why?? Why can't you be bit more clear for fools like me?? ., What do you mean by "YOU WOULD HAVE REJECTED ISLAM"??.. Why did you reject?? Did you?? when did you reject that dear Soul D??>.

...I still maintain that if ijtihad can be practised using the Qu'ran with precedence over hadith (as it is meant to be), then it would be quite possible to draw up a sensible new Shariah which is much more in line with modern thinking and morals..it just needs someone to liberate mecca from these wahhabis!!

I doubt that even after my exams i'll have time to go through every verse of every surah in the quran you find objectionable, but i would appreciate it if you could highlight to me some of those you find to be the most disturbing (i.e the ones with the most violent or sexually inappropriate undertones in your percption), as I would like to see if I can apply my own viewpoint to them and see if I can show you how they might not necessarily be as bad as you make out.....

That was ~3 years back from you?
So many question are bugging me on that dec 2005 post of yours dear Soul Doc., But I am so glad to read you..

with best wishes and happy new year
yeezevee

Well, Yeezeevee. . . . . . it certainly seems that three years ago he was a Muslim. Not anymore.