Koran cannot be from God........

[Connedbymo+co]

unless your God happens to be a 7th century Arab.
The Koran is full of myths that were popular in that era and therefore is full of errors. The koran is a very easy book to understand if you put yourself in the shoes of an early muslim and think how they would have viewed the universe before reading it. In fact the Koran confirms all these erroneus ideas to the Arabs and takes credit for them.
For example, the solid sky myth, the seven heavens myth and also the seperating of the heavens and the eatrh myth plus many more are all Allahs handywork..........lol!!
Anyone who believes this nonsense is from God has seriously deluded..........they need to wake up and have a reality check!!

[yeezevee]

Connedbymo+co starts a thread with "Koran cannot be from God........" and writes

unless your God happens to be a 7th century Arab.
The Koran is full of myths that were popular in that era and therefore is full of errors.

Spoiler! :

The koran is a very easy book to understand if you put yourself in the shoes of an early muslim and think how they would of viewed the universe before reading it. In fact the Koran confirms all these erroneus ideas to the Arabs and takes credit for them.
For example, the solid sky myth, the seven heavens myth and also the seperating of the heavens and the eatrh myth plus many more are all Allahs handywork.........

.lol!!
Anyone who believes this nonsense is from God has seriously deluded..........they need to wake up and have a reality check!!

Where is the Proof dear Connedbymo+co?? .. Well just writing few words like that without proof from Quran ..... no links... No surahs.. no ayahs... on such allegation will NOT prove your allegation is a correct statement.

And My good wishes to you dear Connedbymo&co ..

with best
yeezevee

[firesnake]

Thats righ YZV...we need proof, we need evidence....

[manfred]

The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.
His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
He will be plunged in flaming Fire, and his wife, the wood carrier, will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre.

This is the whole surah. Abu Lahab is Mohammed's uncle. Abu Lahab did not accept Islam, but both he and his wife ridiculed him.

So, God's final word to mankind, his ultimate revelation for all time, the book written at the beginning of time with a magic quill, the book to correct all "errors" of previous religious texts, the book to guide all men until the end of time, that book spends a whole chapter on rudely cursing Mohammed's uncle.

Do we need to say more?....

[Connedbymo+co]

Lets look at the solid sky myth and the Koran.

The ancient world generally believed the sky was solid:

Astonishing as it may seem to the modern mind, with very rare excep-
tions the idea that the sky is not solid is a distinctly modern one. Historical
evidence shows that virtually everyone in the ancient world believed in a
solid firmament.

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hil ... nt-WTJ.pdf

So is the Koran any different :- does it correct this misconception or would it have had confirmed their erroneus views?

What do you say muslims.......?

[Connedbymo+co]

So we've established that ancient people around the time of the Koran was revealed believed the sky was a solid roof(canopy).

lets start of my looking at verse 02.22:

PICKTHAL: Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy;

The above verse is asking early readers of the Koran a question, which is based on the assumption that they are already aware the sky is a canopy.
No one reading the verse back then would have raised an eyebrow that the sky was described as a canopy as this is what they already believed and the Koran only confirms this:

People did not realize how far away the heavens really were. It seemed reasonable to them that the sky was a canopy whose edges touched the surface of Earth..
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/dis ... ?ST_ID=525

The only purpose of this question is that Allah is taking credit for this myth.........

The following verse also makes it clear that the Koran believes in the solid sky myth:

021.032
PICKTHAL: And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

In fact, verse 21:32 claims that not only is the sky a roof(canopy) but this roof is a sign(portent) to mankind..........
So there can be no doubt the Koran is referring to the solid sky myth as not only does the koran say the sky is solid but demands clarification from the reader and calls this a sign from Allah!!

How deluded are you muslims??

[Connedbymo+co]

Ok moving on to the next myth/error in the Koran,

The Koran also contains the myth of the seven heavens which were prevalent when the time the Koran was revealed.

Taken from Wikipedia:

In ancient astronomy, before the telescope was invented, people referred to the Sun, Moon, and the five planets visible with the naked eye as the seven heavenly objects. Each had its own layer of heaven or sky assigned to it, and each was considered to be farther and farther away from Earth. Today we refer to the layers as the orbit of the object around the Sun.

It was believed by many cultures, and still is by some today, that when people die, their souls float into the sky, visiting each of the Seven Heavenly Objects as they travel to the outermost layer of heaven. When they reach that outermost layer, they are believed to actually meet God, who was/is supposed to exist just above the last layer of heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Heaven


Does the Koran repeat this myth?


1.Does it mention seven heavens?

2.Can they be seen, layered one above another?


023.086
SHAKIR: Say: Who is the Lord of the seven heavens and the Lord of the mighty dominion?

Is is assumed the sevn heavens is common knowledge in the above verse.

071.015
SHAKIR: Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens ,~ one above another

The Koran tells us the seven heavens are visible and are layered one above another in the above verse.

067.003
SHAKIR: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder?

The above verse is asking the 7th century arabs who created the seven heavens they can see? Then challenges them to observe and look for any flaws, which they won't find.

The Koran perfectly fits the criteria for this myth and would've confirmed the ignorance of the early muslims.

[Connedbymo+co]

The third error/myth in the Koran concerns mountains.
People back then believed in all kinds of nonsense, for example take a look at the following hadith:

Abu Huraira reported that Moses was a modest person. He was never seen naked and Banu Isra'iI said: (He was afraid to expose his private part) because he had been suffering from scrotal hernia. He (one day) took bath in water and placed his garments upon a stone. The stone began to move on quickly. He followed that and struck it with the help of a stone (saying): O stone, my garment; O stone, my garments, O stone.....

Sahih Muslim 30:5850, See also:Sahih Bukhari 4:55:616

Stones could steal peoples clothes according to early muslims....lol, what does the Koran have to say about Mountains does it believe they are alive too?!

SHAKIR: Surely We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to be unfaithful to it and feared from it, and man has turned unfaithful to it; surely he is unjust, ignorant;

So according to your miracle book mountains have intelligence and emotion.........what nonsense!!

By the way I'm not expecting any muslim to try and defend this nonsense as they will KNOW the Koran cannot be from God!!
Whether they can admit this to themselves is another matter.

[Connedbymo+co]

The next myth/error concerns stars, or more to the point shooting stars!

Primitive man held the common view that shooting stars were literally stars falling from the sky. We now know that a shooting star is infact only a rock, whichignites into a bright flame when it enters the Earths atmosphere.
Yet to primitive man this would not of been so obvious which is why they thought a shooting star was literally a star falling, hence the term shooting star.

The link below explains this myth:

When they saw a streak of light, they thought a star was falling out of the sky

http://www.britannica.com/bps/additiona ... ting-Stars

So does the Koran fall for this myth too?-whilst reading these verses one should remeber the earths atmosphere extend to around 600km in length, compared to 39900000000000 km for the nearest star.


stars are for beauty and are missiles to fend of the evil ones

067.005
YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
PICKTHAL: And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
SHAKIR: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.


037.006
YUSUFALI: We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-
PICKTHAL: Lo! We have adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets;
SHAKIR: Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars,

037.007
YUSUFALI: (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits,
PICKTHAL: With security from every froward devil.
SHAKIR: And (there is) a safeguard against every rebellious Shaitan.

Here the Koran explains the stars are in the lowest heavens and are used as a defense against evil spirits

037.008
YUSUFALI: (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,
PICKTHAL: They cannot listen to the Highest Chiefs for they are pelted from every side,
SHAKIR: They cannot listen to the exalted assembly and they are thrown at from every side,

stars pelted to prevent the evil ones hearing information from the heavens

037.009
YUSUFALI: Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,
PICKTHAL: Outcast, and theirs is a perpetual torment;
SHAKIR: Being driven off, and for them is a perpetual chastisement,

Any spirit which gets any info is pursued by a piercing flame

037.010
YUSUFALI: Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.
PICKTHAL: Save him who snatcheth a fragment, and there pursueth him a piercing flame.
SHAKIR: Except him who snatches off but once, then there follows him a brightly shining flame.

Once again any evil spirit which hears anything is chased by a VISIBLE flame

015.018
YUSUFALI: But any that gains a hearing by stealth, is pursued by a flaming fire, bright (to see).
PICKTHAL: Save him who stealeth the hearing, and them doth a clear flame pursue.
SHAKIR: But he who steals a hearing, so there follows him a visible flame.

flaming Stars defend the heavens according to the jinn

072.008
YUSUFALI: 'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
PICKTHAL: And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur'an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors.
SHAKIR: And that we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flaming stars.

Evil spirits claiming a flame will chase them if they hear anything

072.009
YUSUFALI: 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
PICKTHAL: And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him;
SHAKIR: And that we used to sit in some of the sitting-places thereof to steal a hearing, but he who would (try to) listen now would find a flame lying in wait for him:


Clearly this is primitive man trying to make sense of what he saw and coming to the conclusion that shooting stars(literally the stars) are chasing evil spirits. For jinns to reach the stars they would need to travel ridiculous distances in a short period of time, yet they cannot avoid a far slower rock moving in a predictable flight path. The Koran is also unaware that 'shooting stars' only ignite as they enter the earths atmosphere as the Koran claims the hevaens are full of these flaming fires, when infact they only exist in the earths atmosphere.

Confirmation if we need it is available in authentic ahadeeth.


Once contact and contract with the Jinn are made by fortune-tellers, the Jinn may inform them of certain events in the future. The Prophet (pbuh) described how the Jinn gather information about the future. He related that the Jinn were able to travel to the lower reaches of the heavens and listen in on some of the information about the future, which the angels pass among themselves. They would then return to the earth and feed the information to their human contacts.(Bukhari and Muslim) This used to happen a lot prior to the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) and fortune-tellers were very accurate in their information. They were able to gain positions in the royal courts and enjoyed much popularity and were even worshipped in some regions of the world.

After the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) began his mission the situation changed. Allaah had the angels guard the lower reaches of the heavens carefully, and most of the Jinn were chased away with meteors and shooting stars. Allaah described this phenomena in the following Qur'anic statement made by one of the Jinn, "We (the Jinn) had sought out the heavens but found it filled with strong guardians and meteors. We used to sit on high places in order to listen, but whoever listens now finds a flame waiting for him."'

Allaah also said, "And We have guarded it (the heavens) from every cursed devil, except the one who is able to snatch a hearing and, he is pursued by a brightly burning flame."(Surah al-Hijr 15:17)
Ibn 'Abbaas said, "When the Prophet and a group of his companions set out for the Ukaadh market, the devils were blocked from hearing information in the heavens. Meteors were let loose on them, so they returned to their people. When their people asked what happened, they told them. Some suggested that something must have happened, so they spread out over the earth seeking the cause. Some of them came across the Prophet and his companions while they were in Salaah and they heard the Qur'an. They said to themselves that this must have been what blocked them from listening. When they returned to their people they told them, 'Verily we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we believed in it. And we will never make partners with our Lord.' (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and Ahmad)

Thus, the Jinn could no longer gather information about the future as easily as they could before the Prophet's (pbuh) mission. Because of that, they now mix their information with many lies. The Prophet said: "They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician fortune-teller. Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies." (Al-Bukhari and Tirmidhi)
'Aa'eshah reported that when she asked Allaah's messenger (pbuh) about fortune-tellers, he replied that they were nothing. She then mentioned that the fortune-tellers sometimes told them things, which were true. The Prophet (pbuh) said: "That is a bit of truth which the Jinn steals and cackles in the ear of his friend; but he mixes along with it a hundred lies." (al-Bukhari, Muslim)

Once while 'Umar ibn al-Khattaab was sitting, a handsome man, Sawaad Ibn Qaarib passed by him. 'Umar said: "If I'm not wrong, this person is still following his religion of pre-Islamic times or perhaps he was one of their fortune-tellers." He ordered that the man be brought to him and asked him about, what he suspected. The man replied, "I have never seen a day like this where a Muslim is faced with such accusations." 'Umar said, "Verily I am determined that you should inform me." The man then said, "I was their fortune-teller in the time of ignorance." On hearing that 'Umar asked, "Tell me about the strangest thing which your female Jinn told you." The man then said, "One day, while I was in the market, she came to me all worried and said, 'Have you not seen the Jinns in their despair after their disgrace? And their following of she-camels and their riders." 'Umar interjected, "It is true." (Al-Bukhari)

The Jinns are also able to inform their human contact of the relative future. For example, when someone comes to a fortune-teller, the fortune-teller's Jinn gets information from the man's Qareen (the jinn assigned to every human being) of what plans he had made prior to his coming. So the fortune-teller is able to tell him that he will do this or that, or go here or there. By this method, the real fortune-teller is also able to learn about a stranger's past in vivid detail. He is able to tell a total stranger of his parents' names, where he was born, the acts of his childhood, etc. The ability to vividly describe the past is one of the marks of a true fortune-teller who has made contact with the Jinn. Because the Jinn are able to traverse huge distances instantaneously, they are also able to gather huge stores of information about hidden things, lost articles and unobserved events. Proof of this ability can be found in the Qur'an, in the story about Prophet Sulaymaan and Bilqees, the Queen of Sheba. When Queen Bilqees came to see him, he asked the Jinn to bring her throne from her land. "An Ilfreet from among the Jinns said, I will bring it for you before you can get up from your place. Verily, I am strong and trustworthy for the assignment.(Surah an-Naml)

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=361

Well muslims how do you explain such nonsense?

[Connedbymo+co]

The Koran confims 7th century ignorance when it describes the sun as orbitting the earth and retreating to a resting place when night arrives.
The verses below describe what occurs at night as a sign from Allah:


36:37/38/39
PICKTHAL:A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.

The verse explains that as night appears, earth becomes dark and the sun runs to its resting place. Not only does this incorrectly tell us the sun is going around the earth but also the earth is flat, as the notion of the sun resting at night would not be possible with our spherical earth.
This is a clear error which cannot be disputed by the sane.

Although no further clarification is needed Mo kindly explains the error in his words:

Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne.....

So Mo tells us that at sunset, the sun runs to its resting place which is under the throne and once again and confims the errors in the Koran.

How can anyone remain a muslim with such nonsense in the Koran?

[paarsurrey]

Koran cannot be from God........

Hi friends

I don't agree with you. The Creator- God Allah YHWH created human beings; provided them with all the essentials to sustain life. Man needed guidance how to spend ones life for ethical, moral and spiritual realms; it is perfectly natural for Him to Reveal His Word of Revelation on the perfect men like Adam, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad.

The Atheists are living unnaturally and their attitudes are not pro-life; in doubts they don't believe it; even then they enjoy life under His grace and mercy. I don't mind it, after all they are human beings; they need Him and His guidance- the Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[Connedbymo+co]

Koran cannot be from God........

Hi friends

I don't agree with you. The Creator- God Allah YHWH created human beings; provided them with all the essentials to sustain life. Man needed guidance how to spend ones life for ethical, moral and spiritual realms; it is perfectly natural for Him to Reveal His Word of Revelation on the perfect men like Adam, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad.

The Atheists are living unnaturally and their attitudes are not pro-life; in doubts they don't believe it; even then they enjoy life under His grace and mercy. I don't mind it, after all they are human beings; they need Him and His guidance- the Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal!

[ThereIs1Adonai]

The Koran confims 7th century ignorance when it describes the sun as orbitting the earth and retreating to a resting place when night arrives.
The verses below describe what occurs at night as a sign from Allah:


36:37/38/39
PICKTHAL:A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.

The verse explains that as night appears, earth becomes dark and the sun runs to its resting place. Not only does this incorrectly tell us the sun is going around the earth but also the earth is flat, as the notion of the sun resting at night would not be possible with our spherical earth.
This is a clear error which cannot be disputed by the sane.

Although no further clarification is needed Mo kindly explains the error in his words:

Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne.....

So Mo tells us that at sunset, the sun runs to its resting place which is under the throne and once again and confims the errors in the Koran.

How can anyone remain a muslim with such nonsense in the Koran?

While much of this is attributed to "primitive man" in this thread, note that some things were understood for hundreds of years by non-Muslims before Muhammed ever lived:


Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


It is important to note that the atmosphere surrounding the earth provides a "tent" of a sort. There are "heavens" understood as being layers of atmosphere and outer space in Hebrew. In this respect, the earth was known to Isaiah to be round with an atmosphere (layered) surrounding it. As for God sitting on this globe, we really don't know from science do we? Nor do we know He doesn't. However, there are more than our visible 4 dimensions to move through and that has been proven by science. I believe God moves in all dimensions and so may very well be sitting upon the circle of the earth.... or as is often stated: He is Omnipresent (Everywhere). By comparison to his greatness, we appear as grasshoppers. This is a poetic imagery to explain his greatness over us.

My main point is that while the Quran teaches a flat earth.... many centuries earlier, Isaiah had a vision of something quite different: a globe. So what happened? Did Islam actually regress knowledge from what was already known? Wow!

Peace, Shalom <----- but not at all costs

[Connedbymo+co]

The Koran confims 7th century ignorance when it describes the sun as orbitting the earth and retreating to a resting place when night arrives.
The verses below describe what occurs at night as a sign from Allah:


36:37/38/39
PICKTHAL:A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.

The verse explains that as night appears, earth becomes dark and the sun runs to its resting place. Not only does this incorrectly tell us the sun is going around the earth but also the earth is flat, as the notion of the sun resting at night would not be possible with our spherical earth.
This is a clear error which cannot be disputed by the sane.

Although no further clarification is needed Mo kindly explains the error in his words:

Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne.....

So Mo tells us that at sunset, the sun runs to its resting place which is under the throne and once again and confims the errors in the Koran.

How can anyone remain a muslim with such nonsense in the Koran?

While much of this is attributed to "primitive man" in this thread, note that some things were understood for hundreds of years by non-Muslims before Muhammed ever lived:


Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


It is important to note that the atmosphere surrounding the earth provides a "tent" of a sort. There are "heavens" understood as being layers of atmosphere and outer space in Hebrew. In this respect, the earth was known to Isaiah to be round with an atmosphere (layered) surrounding it. As for God sitting on this globe, we really don't know from science do we? Nor do we know He doesn't. However, there are more than our visible 4 dimensions to move through and that has been proven by science. I believe God moves in all dimensions and so may very well be sitting upon the circle of the earth.... or as is often stated: He is Omnipresent (Everywhere). By comparison to his greatness, we appear as grasshoppers. This is a poetic imagery to explain his greatness over us.

My main point is that while the Quran teaches a flat earth.... many centuries earlier, Isaiah had a vision of something quite different: a globe. So what happened? Did Islam actually regress knowledge from what was already known? Wow!

Peace, Shalom <----- but not at all costs

I disagree with your views regarding isa 40:22:- for example a circle doesn't mean a spherical earth.
Regardless please stick to the topic-Koran cannot be from God.

[ThereIs1Adonai]

The Koran confims 7th century ignorance when it describes the sun as orbitting the earth and retreating to a resting place when night arrives.
The verses below describe what occurs at night as a sign from Allah:


36:37/38/39
PICKTHAL:A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.

The verse explains that as night appears, earth becomes dark and the sun runs to its resting place. Not only does this incorrectly tell us the sun is going around the earth but also the earth is flat, as the notion of the sun resting at night would not be possible with our spherical earth.
This is a clear error which cannot be disputed by the sane.

Although no further clarification is needed Mo kindly explains the error in his words:

Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne.....

So Mo tells us that at sunset, the sun runs to its resting place which is under the throne and once again and confims the errors in the Koran.

How can anyone remain a muslim with such nonsense in the Koran?

While much of this is attributed to "primitive man" in this thread, note that some things were understood for hundreds of years by non-Muslims before Muhammed ever lived:


Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


It is important to note that the atmosphere surrounding the earth provides a "tent" of a sort. There are "heavens" understood as being layers of atmosphere and outer space in Hebrew. In this respect, the earth was known to Isaiah to be round with an atmosphere (layered) surrounding it. As for God sitting on this globe, we really don't know from science do we? Nor do we know He doesn't. However, there are more than our visible 4 dimensions to move through and that has been proven by science. I believe God moves in all dimensions and so may very well be sitting upon the circle of the earth.... or as is often stated: He is Omnipresent (Everywhere). By comparison to his greatness, we appear as grasshoppers. This is a poetic imagery to explain his greatness over us.

My main point is that while the Quran teaches a flat earth.... many centuries earlier, Isaiah had a vision of something quite different: a globe. So what happened? Did Islam actually regress knowledge from what was already known? Wow!

Peace, Shalom <----- but not at all costs

I disagree with your views regarding isa 40:22:- for example a circle doesn't mean a spherical earth.
Regardless please stick to the topic-Koran cannot be from God.

Actually, it is on topic if God had already at an earlier time in history established the earth as ROUND, the Quran saying the eath is flat cannot be from the same God. While I respect your right to disagree on my interpretation of the verse, it is not off topic. Thank you for your opinion.

Peace, Shalom <====== but not at all costs.

[paarsurrey]

the Quran saying the eath is flat!!!!???

Hi friends

Please quote the text of the verse from Quran with usual context of five preceing and five following verses to establish your viewpoint.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[expozIslam]

the Quran saying the eath is flat!!!!???

Hi friends

Please quote the text of the verse from Quran with usual context of five preceing and five following verses to establish your viewpoint.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Are you really such a big moron or do you pretend to be so?

[pr126]

Paarsurrey does not pretend to be a moron.

[Connedbymo+co]

The next myth contained in the Koran is that semen/sperm originates from between the backbone and ribs.

Here are the following verse:

086.006
SHAKIR: He is created of water pouring forth,

086.007
SHAKIR: Coming from between the back and the ribs.

The Koran gets this myth from Greek doctors who were unaware about the the role the testicles play in the the production of sperm.
The Koran clearly states that the fluid flows from the kidney region which is a big error but not a suprising one for a 7th century Arab to make!!

Even a muslim doctor admits this error:

In all the available translations of the Quran we see that it is being said that man is created from a drop gushing forth between from between the RIBS AND THE BACKBONE.Well I being a doctor can say that this scientifically incorrect.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/Ribs-Backbone.htm

[Connedbymo+co]

The next error in the Koran is in its claim that all things created are made in pairs ie male+female:

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YUSUFALI: And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
PICKTHAL: And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.
SHAKIR: And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.

According to Ibn Kathir tafsir -(And Who has created all the pairs) meaning, of everything that grows in the earth, all kinds of plants, crops, fruits, flowers, etc., and all different kinds of animals.
This is not true!

The New Mexico lizard:

But the New Mexico Whiptail, as well as several other all-female species of whiptail lizard, does reproduce, and all of its offspring are female.

http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/expedit ... ds.html?50


Unisexual flowers:

Unisexual flower A flower that possesses either stamens or carpels but not both. A plant may be unisexual (dioecious), possessing only male flowers or female flowers

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O7-uni ... lower.html