Yashua vs. Isa

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Yashua vs. Isa

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The name Isa in the Koran (the Prophet identified with Jesus) is spelt with an Ayn (عِ) as the first letter, this corresponds to the Hebrew Ayn (ע).

Thus Isa is spelt Ayn-Yaa-Siin-Alif maqsura: عِيسَى

The Hebrew name for Jesus – probably transliterated Yashua or Yeshua - is spelt with a Yod (י) as the first letter (this corresponds to the Arabic letter Yaa). Seemingly derived from the root Yod-Shin-Ayn (ישע) meaning "To rescue" or "To save", like the name of the Biblical Joshua.

Thus Jesus is Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayn: ישוע

Interestingly, Arabic Christians spell Jesus as Yaa-Siin-Waw-Ayn (يَسُوعُ) - corresponding characters to the Hebrew Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayn - as you can see in the Arabic Bible: Click here

Can anyone explain this discrepancy? If the Koran is of Divine origin, how did the author get one of the Prophet's names wrong?
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My point is that words in Semitic abjads with corresponding consonants should be able to transliterate directly: Thus the transposition of the terminal Ayn from it's proper place in Jesus' original name is difficult to explain (not to mention it breaks up the triliteral root and changes the meaning of his name).

In Hebrew Isa would be written as עִישָׂי

I found this myself, but others have also noticed this error: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-89326.0.html
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yasu3 in arabic bibles is simply a transliteration of the hebrew yeshua. the quranic isa is most probably the transliteration of the aramaic -you know, jesus' tongue-, the people of the book in muhammad's time knew perfectly well who isa the son of maryam spoken of in the quran, was.
the burden of proof is actually on you to show that the aramaic isa was called yeshua or yasu3, the burden of proof is on you to verify the absurdity that muhammad or whoever you think wrote the quran was the only person in the middle east iognorant of the correct name of christianity's central figure, even more central than God.

in arabic bibles, john is called yuhannaa. In the quran, its yayha. whats your point

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Let's read and see how an ignorant Muslim is stunningly good at speuclating and prating:

yasu3 in arabic bibles is simply a transliteration of the hebrew yeshua. the quranic isa is most probably the transliteration of the aramaic -you know, jesus' tongue-, the people of the book in muhammad's time knew perfectly well who isa the son of maryam spoken of in the quran, was. the burden of proof is actually on you to show that the aramaic isa was called yeshua or yasu3

Most probably: This means the Muslim knows nothing about the discussed issue, but feels like prating about it.

the burden of proof is actually on you: This means the Muslim tries to digress because he himself cannot bring any evidence to support his stupid claims! In other words, he says: "I fail to prove my point, so you do it and save me from shame!" This Muslim somehow ignores the fact that he has to bring evidence to support the following arguments:

a) The authors of the Koran knews that Jesus spoke Aramaic (no evidence for that in the Koran! More, Jesus spoke also Hebrew!)
b) The authors of the Koran deliberately used the Aramaic equiavalent of the Hebrew name.

Final note: The Muslim's post does not address Aksel's question: WHY is this change? Casual or deliberate distortion?

Very weak :D
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Muslims are programmed to be unable to give straight answers to difficult questions. By the way, the Aramaic name of Jesus is Yeshua (ישוע). http://www.thenazareneway.com/names_and ... _jesus.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Nosubmission wrote:Let's read and see how an ignorant Muslim is stunningly good at speuclating and prating:
what a sewer rat of a pastor :lol:

so lets see, not only you couldnt prove wrong the claim that isa is the transliteration of jesus' tongue and that the people of the book in muhammad's time knew perfectly well who isa the son of maryam was, but you still dwell in the stupidity that the people you claim wrote the quran were the only ones ignorant of chrstianity's central man/god/son/lamb/whatever's real name.
Cassie wrote:the Aramaic name of Jesus is Yeshua
no its "Eesho" with the "shin" pronounced "seen"
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See the link I gave which shows the Aramaic name for Jesus is exactly the same as that in Old Hebrew. Aramaic and Hebrew are related languages, you do realize?

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Nosubmission wrote: Final note: The Muslim's post does not address Aksel's question: WHY is this change? Casual or deliberate distortion?

Very weak :D
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MastaBlaster wrote:the burden of proof is on you to verify the absurdity that muhammad or whoever you think wrote the quran was the only person in the middle east iognorant of the correct name of christianity's central figure
Folks, I think this particular clump of twisted logic needs review and special attention. MassaMoRon appears to be saying that it is possible for others in the Middle East, besides the author of the Quran, to be ignorant of the correct name of Christianity's central figure as well. Now maybe he didn't mean that, but that's precisely what the words that he chose above say. So it would appear, based on this statement, is that his logic says that it is permissible for the Quran to not know the correct name of Christianity's central figure because lots of people in the Middle East didn't know his correct name. So the quran gets off the hook because lots of other people didn't know either. Am i actually hearing this right? :lol:
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Cassie wrote:Muslims are programmed to be unable to give straight answers to difficult questions. By the way, the Aramaic name of Jesus is Yeshua (ישוע). http://www.thenazareneway.com/names_and ... _jesus.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you're not more specific, you won't force MassaLya to answer. This was a good part right in the very beginning
Jesus is derived from the Latin Iesus, which in turn comes from the Greek Iēsoûs. The Greek form is a transliteration of the Aramaic name Yeshua (ישוע), a short form of Hebrew Yehoshua (יהושע), the name that Moses gave to his successor as leader of the Israelites, who is known in English as Joshua. The Name Yeshua means the Lord is salvation, or literally Yahweh saves.
MassaStoryTella wrote: yasu3 in arabic bibles is simply a transliteration of the hebrew yeshua. the quranic isa is most probably the transliteration of the aramaic -you know, jesus' tongue-,
MassaStoryTella !!! MassaStoryTella !!! What was you're "probably" based on? Nothing but your own imagination. See how you do this? See how this tendency of yours for blatant invention has been completely illuminated?? Thanks for the perfect example. Ding dong the liar's dead. You just got caught pulling out any sh!t you can find in your rear end and throwing it against the wall in hopes that some of it sticks. You are truly one pathetic zombie with no honor or sense of shame.
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MastaBlaster wrote:
so lets see, not only you couldnt prove wrong the claim that isa is the transliteration of jesus' tongue
What say ye now fat mouth? Are we going to hear your fat mouth now that you've been proven wrong? When are you going to crow as loud when you're wrong as you do when you think you're right? Never, right? Of course not, that's the kind of character you have. Now go wallow somewhere in your lying, inventing disgrace. You're an absolute laughing stock here and it happens every time. I've never seen such a glutton for punishment and embarrassment as you.
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its "Eesho" with the "shin" pronounced "seen"
It's unlikely Jesus' name was originally Esau. Israelites don't name their children Esau - even to this day. Jacob rather than Esau was the ancestor of the 12 tribes of Israel, and Jews predominantly have a negative view of Esau, since he eventually tried to kill Jacob.

In fact Esau wasn't even a proper name to start with, it literally means "hairy" as he was born covered in coarse hair, something his parent's coined upon first seeing him: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=31;

Yeshua by contrast was a common name among Jews of this period. According to archaeologist Amos Kloner, 71 Tombs bearing the name Yeshua have been found of an age that makes them contemporary to Jesus.

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Aksel Ankersen wrote:It's unlikely Jesus' name was originally Esau.
that not what i said, Eshaw and Eesa are unrelated etymologically and lexically.
Aksel Ankersen wrote:Yeshua by contrast was a common name among Jews of this period.
jesus' true name in his native tongue is still debated, and the bibles which are translations of translations shed no light on this issue. but the fact muhammad's audience who relied heavily on oral tradition, more isolated from the helenization and paganization of christianity, knew who was isa son of maryam tends to show that this could not be an error or invention, from an objective point of view.
and as for me as a believer in the quran as being both divine and containing accurate historical testimony, then isa was the original -disputed till this day- name of jesus the son of maryam
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MassaTapDansa, you've already been proven wrong. Isa was not Aramic for Jesus as you said it probably was. What say ye now? Can you say that w word? You know, wr...wr.....wr......wrong??? Can you get it out?? :lol: I'm sure you can't. Aksel has you completely cornered by nothing more than superior knowledge than you have. And yes, that is Aksel's real picture, so I would say you are getting your rear end handed to you by a young teenager. :lol: But of course, there's always the "we don't know" excuse to try and hide behind. oh yeah, then why didn't you try that or say that in the first place? Because you just thought of it as a means to slip out of the noose he has you in. Totally and pathetically disgraceful. Will it ever end? :lol: Are there no depths you are not willing to go to?
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hahaaha im under your skin, eating your rotten soul. what asewer rat dweller of the FFI garbage can, meaningless enemy of faith. keep eating my cakes hahahahaha viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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MastaBlaster wrote:hahaaha im under your skin, eating your rotten soul. what asewer rat dweller of the FFI garbage can, meaningless enemy of faith. keep eating my cakes hahahahaha viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We arent enemies of faith but of crap and evil and that is quran .
Look around yourself and you'll find people with virtues are never required to demand respect since they automatically earn it. It is only those that are devoid of any virtues need to threaten and bully to gain respect. Needless to say that quran cannot be from God.

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MastaBlaster wrote:change your avatar, you look like a 70s pornstar hahaha
MastaBlaster wrote:in the 70s when you were a pornstar?
Snap outta it boy! This is FFI !!! Been seein' too much porn lately I presume?
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MastaBlaster wrote:hahaaha im under your skin, eating your rotten soul. what asewer rat dweller of the FFI garbage can, meaningless enemy of faith. keep eating my cakes hahahahaha viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm feeling quite happy right now watching a very young teen not only display his superior knowledge to yours, but also a superior ability to reason properly. Like I said, yes, that's his current photo, he's been posting photos of himself all throughout. :lol: And look at what you are attempting and how miserably it's failing. And it's a very young man showing you this. :lol: This is awesome, but soon, it might get too embarrassing to even watch.
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MastaBlaster wrote:hahaaha im under your skin, eating your rotten soul. what asewer rat dweller of the FFI garbage can, meaningless enemy of faith. keep eating my cakes hahahahaha viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Translation? Check this out. Hahaaha I am getting under your skin by disgracing myself. There, that oughta' show em. I'm so crafty.

:lol: :lol: Can it possibly get any worse? MassaMoRon, we really do appreciate your participation here, or at least, I do. But then again, i've been told I have a sadistic sense of humor. :lol: But to me, the clever comedian is never as funny as the outright clown, and you definitely fit the latter.
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what a spammer, and then you cry to the mods that your threads always take you to the FFI sewers, the FFI garbage can
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I'm feeling quite happy right now
that the amsterdam spacecake effect hahaha. i gave you the recipe this time, you can do it yourself at home hahaha viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. what a trashbin
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:look at what you are attempting
attempting what sewer rat. he's basing his theory on a disputed rendition of jesus' name, a translation of translation. on a faulty analogy with the arabic bibles which are transliterations of the hebrew (not evenn jesus' language). on the other hand when the quran addresses the christians of muhammad's time by calling their central religious figure "isa" they knew who was being referred to and unless you can prove that jesus' name was different in his original language or that the christians of the arabian peninsula called him differently then you can keep dancing and chanting, it wont prove a thing and wont scratch the noble quran as containing historical testimony of the time.
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