Rebuttal of Ali Sina's rebuttals to Dr.Zakir Naik

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Idiot, I am not talking about the roundness of the earth, I am replying to confused Sky who thinks that a carpet must be laid on a flat surface

Go and look in your sh!t box of a car and let us know if the carpet in there is laid over a flat surface or not. Now, after you relaize your stupidity, join sky in the dismissals room

So what's your friggin point moron? What a meaningless statement. It sure ain't talking about God making the earth round.

The point is dumb ugly arse, that there is no place in the Quran that indicates the sligtest that the earth is flat, in fact it indicats the opposite that the earth is a ball

remember when you wrapped your pin head around your fat arse?

Please tell me how someone makes a ball by spreading out or stretching out or even squashing as you have clearly suggested? I would be fascinated to hear this, but I know you won't answer. How do you continually lie to yourself like this? I just simply can't understand it.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

This guy has already admitted that it says God quashed the life. I don't have the faintest idea how he could still remain a Muslim. It isn't like it's just one errant verse, it's repeated about 8 different times.

Yeah I know . HE doesnt care about the truth anymore. I see muslims are protecting islam these days on the benefit of the doubt . Create some doubt and the benefit goes to the one who defends.He tries to create here doubt by saying that carpet can be laid over irregular surface like that in the car .Still a carpet is never laid over a round surface .When the carpet is spread it can never be round.

Dumb arse licker bum, the carpet in the Quran means the crust of the earth that is spread around the mantle, it has nothing to do with flattness nor roundness

dismiss your stupid arse

If what you say were true, it would have said Allah covered the earth, or spread it over the earth or even better, around the earth, but instead, it says he spread the earth itself out, not the surface of the earth, so you are caught red hand handed lying once again. You people are just too much. Don't you have any sense of shame when you attempt this clearly evident baloney?

[AhmedBahgat]

Dumb arse licker bum, the carpet in the Quran means the crust of the earth that is spread around the mantle, it has nothing to do with flattness nor roundness
dismiss your stupid arse

IDiot the verse says that earth is spread like a carpet . ARe we supposed to believe that earth is spread like crust of the earth ? Does that make sense? Btw why should anyone take carpet as crust?

Mister dumb, the Arabic word Ard, means Land or earth

dismiss your pinhead

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Dumb arse licker bum, the carpet in the Quran means the crust of the earth that is spread around the mantle, it has nothing to do with flattness nor roundness
dismiss your stupid arse

IDiot the verse says that earth is spread like a carpet . ARe we supposed to believe that earth is spread like crust of the earth ? Does that make sense? Btw why should anyone take carpet as crust?

Mister dumb, the Arabic word Ard, means Land or earth

dismiss your pinhead

And it did not say that it was spread out over the earth like a carpet, it said the earth itself was spread out like a carpet, you just got caught lying. And you even admit that it says Allah squashed the earth. So how can you remain a Muslim knowing that this is simply not true? Is that how Allah makes a ball, by squashing things or is it how he makes a pizza? According to the Quran, the earth is as flat as a pizza, and you are one hideous looking piece of pepperoni on it.

[skynightblaze]

Dumb arse licker bum, the carpet in the Quran means the crust of the earth that is spread around the mantle, it has nothing to do with flattness nor roundness
dismiss your stupid arse

IDiot the verse says that earth is spread like a carpet . ARe we supposed to believe that earth is spread like crust of the earth ? Does that make sense? Btw why should anyone take carpet as crust?

Mister dumb, the Arabic word Ard, means Land or earth

dismiss your pinhead

Still how do you explain land /crust being spread out like carpet? IT isnt . The crust around mantle was a pure flop show. Is there any other trick left in the book ?

[AhmedBahgat]

Mister dumb, the Arabic word Ard, means Land or earth

dismiss your pinhead

Still how do you explain land /crust being spread out like carpet? IT isnt . The crust around mantle was a pure flop show. Is there any other trick left in the book ?

Well, i think only children need explanation, let me consider you one then

look young boy, a carpet has to be laid on something, so when the Quran says that Allah spreads the land like a carpet, it means that the land we are walking on is a carpet laid on something, the scienteists proved later on that the earth is not really a solid object, rather layers of objects laid on top of each other, the crust happnes to be last layer laid on top of the mantle, which means that the crust is a carpet laid on top of the something

had the earth been solid object with no layers inside, the verse wouls have been a clear cut mistake in the Quran, but I know well that the Quran is free of any error

Time for you cup of milk, kid

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

And it did not say that it was spread out over the earth like a carpet, it said the earth itself was spread out like a carpet. And it did not say spread around the earth, so you're lying again. Land doesn't get spread out, land gets spread onto the earth around the earth. It says the mountains were added, but it doesn't say the land was added. How come? Because it was talking about the earth itself, not the land you liar. And BTW, how can you even accept the notion that Allah "squashed" the earth?

[skynightblaze]

Mister dumb, the Arabic word Ard, means Land or earth

dismiss your pinhead

Still how do you explain land /crust being spread out like carpet? IT isnt . The crust around mantle was a pure flop show. Is there any other trick left in the book ?

Well, i think only children need explanation, let me consider you one then

look young boy, a carpet has to be laid on something, so when the Quran says that Allah spreads the land like a carpet, it means that the land we are walking on is a carpet laid on something, the scienteists proved later on that the earth is not really a solid object, rather layers of objects laid on top of each other, the crust happnes to be last layer laid on top of the mantle, which means that the crust is a carpet laid on top of the something

had the earth been solid object with no layers inside, the verse wouls have been a clear cut mistake in the Quran, but I know well that the Quran is free of any error

Time for you cup of milk, kid

First of all I found no translation saying its land that is spread out. All of the use the word earth . For the sake of argument even if we assume that its land or crust still it doesnt make sense.I am not interested in what the crust is spread over. The main point is it says its spread like a carpet . Certainly land isnt spread like how the carpet is spread out.

[AhmedBahgat]

Still how do you explain land /crust being spread out like carpet? IT isnt . The crust around mantle was a pure flop show. Is there any other trick left in the book ?

Well, i think only children need explanation, let me consider you one then

look young boy, a carpet has to be laid on something, so when the Quran says that Allah spreads the land like a carpet, it means that the land we are walking on is a carpet laid on something, the scienteists proved later on that the earth is not really a solid object, rather layers of objects laid on top of each other, the crust happnes to be last layer laid on top of the mantle, which means that the crust is a carpet laid on top of the something

had the earth been solid object with no layers inside, the verse wouls have been a clear cut mistake in the Quran, but I know well that the Quran is free of any error

Time for you cup of milk, kid

First of all I found no translation saying its land that is spread out. All of the use the word earth . For the sake of argument even if we assume that its land or crust still it doesnt make sense.I am not interested in what the crust is spread over. The main point is it says its spread like a carpet . Certainly land isnt spread like how the carpet is spread out.

Then you should see it first in my translation, btw my translation will have a lot of world first

anyway, how about you fist show me the verse that states what you said?

here is what you said :

spread like how the carpet is spread out

of course I am not asking for the exact words, but I need both contexts in one sentece or at least in one verse, or even two adjacent verses, the two contexts "according to your own words" are:

1) the metaphor of describing the earth as a carpet
2) the action of spreading such carpet

Good luck to you pulling this one of

[skynightblaze]

@Bahgat

72:19.

And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),


20.53.
"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.


Here are the 2 verses .The first one says that Allah has made earth as a carpet. I am ignoring the words in the bracket here but still I see a problem here.Now see the second verse it conveys the idea directly. IT says earth like a carpet spread out.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

This is nothing but another stupid diversion. The bottom line is that this guy thinks Allah squashed the earth, and what would happen if one squashed it? It would spread out or stretch out, just like the Quran says. The Quran thought the earth was as flat as a pizza, and rats that populate this pizza like Bahgrat, give it that extra cheese. I think he needs a peperoni for his mouth.

[yeezevee]

Muhammad bin Lyin : This is nothing but another stupid diversion. The bottom line is that this guy thinks Allah squashed the earth, and what would happen if one squashed it? It would spread out or stretch out, just like the Quran says. The Quran thought the earth was as flat as a pizza, and rats that populate this pizza like Bahgrat, give it that extra cheese. I think he needs a peperoni for his mouth.

Common dear Lying Muhammad(PBUH)., please encourage that guy., let him translate the way he wants., We will write a book on top his a book adding all translations together. In fact many translators of Quran such as these, relied upon some other Arabic experts unlike our AhmedBhagat

Abdullah Yusuf Ali: Ali was born in Bombay, India to a wealthy merchant family with a Dawoodi Bohra father. As a child, Ali received a religious education and, eventually, could recite the entire Qur'an from memory. He spoke both Arabic and English fluently. He studied English literature and studied at several European universities, including the University of Leeds. He concentrated his efforts on the Qur'an and studied the Qur'anic commentaries beginning with those written in the early days of Islamic history. (BUT THE GUY COMES OUT OF BOMBAY).. So his Arabic can not be as good as our AhmedBhagat)

(Mohammed) Marmaduke Pickthall (1875–May 19, 1936) :A convert from Christianity to Islam, Pickthall was a novelist, esteemed by D. H. Lawrence, H. G. Wells, and E. M. Forster, as well as a journalist, headmaster, and political and religious leader. He declared his Islam in dramatic fashion after delivering a talk on ‘Islam and Progress' on November 29, 1917, to the Muslim Literary Society in Notting Hill, West London.

http://www.meforum.org/717/assessing-en ... -the-quran

So what is wrong having one more translation from Ahmed dear Muhammad bin Lyin??

with best regards
yeezevee

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

yeezevee, don't you think the point is that he thinks the quran says Allah squashed the earth? What happens when you squash something? Does it become round or does it spread out or stretch out?

[yeezevee]

that he thinks the quran says "Allah squashed the earth?"

Did he say that, he thinks that way? It is possible., some times he becomes like a ROBOT., if he said that, then he is foolish. But I am not very certain he said that dear Muhammad bin Lyin

with best wishes
yeezevee

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

that he thinks the quran says "Allah squashed the earth?"

Did he say that, he thinks that way? It is possible., some times he becomes like a ROBOT., if he said that, then he is foolish. But I am not very certain he said that dear Muhammad bin Lyin

with best wishes
yeezevee

He said it.

For me the word Daha is a verb to mean "Sqaush",like pressing from opposit directions, you can try it, get a ball or a balloon, then with your two hands at opposit sides, press, this will make the ball, not round anny more

[Chiclets]

that he thinks the quran says "Allah squashed the earth?"

Did he say that, he thinks that way? It is possible., some times he becomes like a ROBOT., if he said that, then he is foolish. But I am not very certain he said that dear Muhammad bin Lyin

with best wishes
yeezevee

He said it.

For me the word Daha is a verb to mean "Sqaush",like pressing from opposit directions, you can try it, get a ball or a balloon, then with your two hands at opposit sides, press, this will make the ball, not round anny more

Yes he said it, in fact in the old forum, Musti had it as his signature.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Hey Bahgat, how come when it's dahaha in 79:30 it's talking about squashing the earth itself and not the land, but you contend that in all other cases where the Quran mentions the earth being spread out besides 79:30, it's talking about the land? Gee how come? Did Allah squash the land in 79:30 or the earth? What's the point of squashing the land only to add mountains after that? We all know you're not going to be answering that anytime soon and you will admit this via one of your dismissals.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Yes he said it, in fact in the old forum, Musti had it as his signature.

He said it right in this very thread. And look at how he tries to say that in all other cases where it talks about God spreading out the "Ard", it's referring to the land or the crust of the earth, but in 79:30, it refers to squashing. How can that mean squashing the land? It can't, so it means squashing the earth itself, and in all other of those verses, "Ard" is clearly referring to the earth itself and not the land. Therefore, the earth was a ball like people probably knew the moon and sun were, kind like a ball of dough, and then Allah smashed it down and spread it out and stretch it out so that it became more expansive and flatter so that people could live on it and not fall off. Conclusion? The Quran thinks the earth is as flat as a pizza.

[charleslemartel]

Muhammad bin Lyin : This is nothing but another stupid diversion. The bottom line is that this guy thinks Allah squashed the earth, and what would happen if one squashed it? It would spread out or stretch out, just like the Quran says. The Quran thought the earth was as flat as a pizza, and rats that populate this pizza like Bahgrat, give it that extra cheese. I think he needs a peperoni for his mouth.

Common dear Lying Muhammad(PBUH)., please encourage that guy., let him translate the way he wants., We will write a book on top his a book adding all translations together. In fact many translators of Quran such as these, relied upon some other Arabic experts unlike our AhmedBhagat

Abdullah Yusuf Ali: Ali was born in Bombay, India to a wealthy merchant family with a Dawoodi Bohra father. As a child, Ali received a religious education and, eventually, could recite the entire Qur'an from memory. He spoke both Arabic and English fluently. He studied English literature and studied at several European universities, including the University of Leeds. He concentrated his efforts on the Qur'an and studied the Qur'anic commentaries beginning with those written in the early days of Islamic history. (BUT THE GUY COMES OUT OF BOMBAY).. So his Arabic can not be as good as our AhmedBhagat)

(Mohammed) Marmaduke Pickthall (1875–May 19, 1936) :A convert from Christianity to Islam, Pickthall was a novelist, esteemed by D. H. Lawrence, H. G. Wells, and E. M. Forster, as well as a journalist, headmaster, and political and religious leader. He declared his Islam in dramatic fashion after delivering a talk on ‘Islam and Progress' on November 29, 1917, to the Muslim Literary Society in Notting Hill, West London.

http://www.meforum.org/717/assessing-en ... -the-quran

So what is wrong having one more translation from Ahmed dear Muhammad bin Lyin??

with best regards
yeezevee

Why do I have a feeling that you are simply biding your time to pounce till Ahmed finishes his translation?

[yeezevee]

Why do I have a feeling that you are simply biding your time to pounce till Ahmed finishes his translation?

Well there are also other good reasons to keep him busy with translation of Quran dear charleslemartel., That guy is a hyper character with FOUL MOUTH., Such people always need something to do. They can not have free tome in hand. If they do, their brain will be devil's advocate and their activities will be criminal in nature. Other wise Ahmed is very good guy + he is lucky to have wonderful family. So I wish him the best, but I suggest & argue with him to keep busy in reading all the translations and doing his own translation. In many ways his translation(whatever he did(I guess 38 chapters) is not that different from Shakir's and the one which comes out of this http://www.altafsir.com/ . But he is trying his best that is what matters. Also I am of the opinion Ahmed being guy with a bit of common sense(he got that from FFI), after doing all that translation he himself will write at ffi something like

" Quran is NOT word of God"., it is simple a collection of thoughts of people during Muhammad's time. .,

I am waiting for that., I trust him..

Any way let us put this Q'uran that friends are discussing in this folder

verses 079.024 to 079.036 YUSUFALI:

Saying, "I am your Lord, Most High".
But Allah did punish him, (and made an) example of him, - in the Hereafter, as in this life.
Verily in this is an instructive warning for whosoever feareth (Allah).

What! Are ye the more difficult to create or the heaven (above)? (Allah) hath constructed it:
On high hath He raised its canopy, and He hath given it order and perfection.
Its night doth He endow with darkness, and its splendour doth He bring out (with light).
And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
He draweth out therefrom its moisture and its pasture;
And the mountains hath He firmly fixed;-

For use and convenience to you and your cattle.
Therefore, when there comes the great, overwhelming (Event),-
The Day when man shall remember (all) that he strove for,
And Hell-Fire shall be placed in full view for (all) to see,-

verses 079.024 to 079.036 PICKTHAL

And proclaimed: "I (Pharaoh) am your Lord the Highest."
So Allah seized him (and made him) an example for the after (life) and for the former.
Lo! herein is indeed a lesson for him who feareth.

Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?
He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
And after that He spread the earth,
And produced therefrom the water thereof and the pasture thereof,
And He made fast the hills,

A provision for you and for your cattle.
But when the great disaster cometh,
The day when man will call to mind his (whole) endeavour,
And hell will stand forth visible to him who seeth,

verses 079.024 to 079.036 SHAKIR

Then he said: I am your lord, the most high.
So Allah seized him with the punishment of the hereafter and the former life.
Most surely there is in this a lesson to him who fears.
Are you the harder to create or the heaven? He made it.
He raised high its height, then put it into a right good state.
And He made dark its night and brought out its light.
And the earth, He expanded it after that.
He brought forth from it its water and its pasturage.
And the mountains, He made them firm,

A provision for you and for your cattle.
But when the great predominating calamity comes;
The day on which man shall recollect what he strove after,
And the hell shall be made manifest to him who sees

So those are the ayahs that people spin around write some junk about earth and origin of universe and what not., It is just nonsense., At the best one can consider them as Islamic Parables., It is like an Arabic mad guy or a poet singing song begging food and chiding people around him, so that they believe that Oh!.. My man sounds likes messenger of Allah.....

Those words are some thing like this dear charleslemartel

Oh men., don't you see what you have around?
See the hills, see the oceans, See the birds fly..
See the sky and see the stars.,
Can you even comprehend who created them and who created created you?
He is Allah.. He is All mighty.. Believe him and believe in his messengers
yeezevee Quran xxa.xxx

Any way my problem sometimes is, My friend A_B often looses his temper + throws some temper tantrums and then goes in to Robotic mood get angry write silly are draw some FILTHY CARTOONS., that is terrible waste of his time..

with best wishes
yeezevee