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Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:38 pm
by SAM
frankie wrote:
Keep repeating falsehood will not make it true.

Injil means Good News, this Good News is what Jesus did for mankind, not what mankind wrote down in a book.

This Good News was preached by the first followers of Jesus after His resurrection, and has never changed,Christians today believe in this same message.

Why should anyone believe what a book says that came 600 years later, a book full of errors and contradictions, whose alleged prophet changed what God had revealed previously through His prophets, from preaching to obey God through love of God and all people regardless of faith,to a creed of violence towards anyone not accepting a Meccan pagan idol as the only god?
Before the arrival of Islam. Christians fought and killed each other for the biblical interpretation of which each party said they were true, others wrong, heresy, heterodox and heretical and so on.. :lol:

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:47 pm
by manfred
SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:The two verses are about THE HOLY SPIRIT:


John 16:
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”


So Mohammed is a "spirit" and he teaches only what Jesus told him to teach.... right .... like "kill the unbelievers" and "the sun sets in a muddly pool" and "Allah throws stars at jinn"....all originally Christian???

26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


Mohammed the "spirit" sent by Jesus.... right.... :lotpot: And Mohammed the "spirit of truth" to tells people to lie to commit murder/assassinations, to lie to "protect Islam".... Some "spirit of truth", that...
Both John 16 and 26 are man-made, imaginative and corrupted texts It was created by an unknown 'ghost' writer.

The words of the truth of Jesus come from this original Injil, in the Quran 61:6

And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

And it is ludicrous to try to portrait NT texts as anti-Semitic, for a start they were all written by Jews about Jesus who also was a Jew. As to Anti-Semtitism in Europe and the US, you find that is mostly due to Muslim immigrants. Islam is the only religion that elevates the hatred to Jews to religious doctrine. You yourself are a raving Anti-Semite and then you have the nerve to find your own character flaws in others.
Before the arrival of Islam. Anti-Semitism has swept the Church for centuries. Repeatedly, the teachings of the Popes, Priests and Preachers caused cruelty to Jews. The Bible is often quoted by people who call themselves Jesus' justification and defense, so that they take the right action.

Matthew 23 is one of the most violent chapters of N.T. Seven times Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "hyprocrites" and denounced them for "full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." He labeled them "blind ... blind guides ... fools ... a brood of vipers and poisonous snakes." He implies that they are murderers because they, like their ancestors, will kill the prophets and scribes that Jesus will send to Israel."

Matthew 23:37, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. :whistling:



Sam this really is getting idiotic. So, by DELETING most of the the text in the gospel you select a couple of words here and there, and then decide what John "really" said. First you prance about telling me Mohammed is mentioned IN THE NT, and then you gave a quote which clearly is about something else entirely, and when this is shown to you, you say it is all "corrupt" again, and physically cross out the parts of he text that show that your are wrong. So why is it so important for you to find Mohammed in the "corrupt" NT? Because the Qur'an falsely claims Mohammed is mentioned there. Your desperation to find him in these texts leads you to the comical re-write of parts of John's gospel just crossing out the part you don't like. How childish of you. And how stupid.

But you have illustrated my point about Islamic apologists perfectly: Just find some snippets that could be made to look as if they support your statement, remove all context (see the crossing out you did in my post) and hope nobody actually checks. You are exposed as a charlatan, again, and you have failed about as badly as you can.

And Matthew 23 is a warning about pride and hypocrisy. You would do well to read it, carefully. It applies to you. Violent? Sorry to disappoint, it is not violent, only strong in language. You want violence, read the Qur'an.

Jesus means you SAM:
You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:34 pm
by Hombre
SAM wrote:[The New Testament has 66 books, meaning 66 writers who were inspired by Satan. Injil is the same as Quran has only ONE author...Allah. :whistling:
Cut the crap will you?. Both - HB & NT were written over hundreds of yours by many well learned people. Quran was concocted from the words of only one man, whom modern science of mental health clearly indicate Muhammad had suffered from epilepsy & case of acute schizophrenic illness.

Seeing images and hearing voices and his frequent falls - all show clear sign of these illnesses.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:00 am
by manfred
The New Testament has 66 books


I missed that bit, hombre... that is wrong too. There are 27 texts in the NT. 13 of these were written by Paul, 4 by the disciple John, one by a different John, one each by Matthew, Mark, James and and Jude, 2 by Luke, and 2 by Peter. One author is unknown today but could be also Paul, and some parts of Peter's letters may have been from someone close to him instead.

There are four types of text, the gospels, telling the story of Jesus from a believer's point of view, a short history of the early days of the church, some personal letters and some addresses for Christian communities in various places.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:14 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:
SAM wrote:Before the arrival of Islam. Anti-Semitism has swept the Church for centuries. Repeatedly, the teachings of the Popes, Priests and Preachers caused cruelty to Jews. The Bible is often quoted by people who call themselves Jesus' justification and defense, so that they take the right action.

Matthew 23 is one of the most violent chapters of N.T. Seven times Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "hyprocrites" and denounced them for "full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." He labeled them "blind ... blind guides ... fools ... a brood of vipers and poisonous snakes." He implies that they are murderers because they, like their ancestors, will kill the prophets and scribes that Jesus will send to Israel."

Matthew 23:37, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. :whistling:



Sam this really is getting idiotic. So, by DELETING most of the the text in the gospel you select a couple of words here and there, and then decide what John "really" said. First you prance about telling me Mohammed is mentioned IN THE NT, and then you gave a quote which clearly is about something else entirely, and when this is shown to you, you say it is all "corrupt" again, and physically cross out the parts of he text that show that your are wrong. So why is it so important for you to find Mohammed in the "corrupt" NT? Because the Qur'an falsely claims Mohammed is mentioned there. Your desperation to find him in these texts leads you to the comical re-write of parts of John's gospel just crossing out the part you don't like. How childish of you. And how stupid.

But you have illustrated my point about Islamic apologists perfectly: Just find some snippets that could be made to look as if they support your statement, remove all context (see the crossing out you did in my post) and hope nobody actually checks. You are exposed as a charlatan, again, and you have failed about as badly as you can.

And Matthew 23 is a warning about pride and hypocrisy. You would do well to read it, carefully. It applies to you. Violent? Sorry to disappoint, it is not violent, only strong in language. You want violence, read the Qur'an.

Jesus means you SAM:
You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Most of the N.T texts do not exist in the Injil. It was coined by various theologians. The Bible does not provide evidence that it is the words of God or Jesus, many of the verses that contradict each other. That is why Christian scholars so desperate need the Quran to verify that their Bible texts are not corrupted, falsified, altered, etc, etc. They also copied and imitated several verses from the Hebrew Bible into their book, NT.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:34 am
by SAM
Hombre wrote:
SAM wrote:[The New Testament has 66 books, meaning 66 writers who were inspired by Satan. Injil is the same as Quran has only ONE author...Allah. :whistling:
Cut the crap will you?. Both - HB & NT were written over hundreds of yours by many well learned people. Quran was concocted from the words of only one man, whom modern science of mental health clearly indicate Muhammad had suffered from epilepsy & case of acute schizophrenic illness.

Seeing images and hearing voices and his frequent falls - all show clear sign of these illnesses.
It just needs a bit of the verses in the Quran to destroy the entire New and Old Testament.

In the Quran, And He will teach him the Book, and (the) Wisdom, and the Tawrah (The Book revealed to Musa "Moses", of which the extant Torah is a corruption) and the Injil (The Book revealed to Isa "Jesus", of which the extant Gospel is a corruption).

manfred wrote:
The New Testament has 66 books


I missed that bit, hombre... that is wrong too. There are 27 texts in the NT. 13 of these were written by Paul, 4 by the disciple John, one by a different John, one each by Matthew, Mark, James and and Jude, 2 by Luke, and 2 by Peter. One author is unknown today but could be also Paul, and some parts of Peter's letters may have been from someone close to him instead.

There are four types of text, the gospels, telling the story of Jesus from a believer's point of view, a short history of the early days of the church, some personal letters and some addresses for Christian communities in various places.
The Bible consists of 66 books by 40 different writers for more than 1,500 years. Each biblical author writes in his own language and style, uses his own mind inspired by Satan, but each has been told by the Devil that mistakes and error are allowed to crawl to his job.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:55 am
by manfred
This is getting too stupid to respond too, Sam. None of the authors actually claim to be literally the word of God. The Qur'an makes this claim and it is provably false.

And Christians do not need any silly ramblings of a desert war lord to confirm anything. The more you write the dafter you sound.... Maybe you should leave the promotion of Islam to someone better read than you,,, you are in effect inly driving people away with this approach. Or perhaps you are doing this only to get approval from Muslims even less educated than you?

This part is almost correct though:
Most of the N.T texts do not exist in the Injil.


NONE of the NT texts are found in SAM's "injil" as a non-existing text cannot contain any words at all.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:38 am
by Hombre
manfred wrote:
The New Testament has 66 books


I missed that bit, hombre... that is wrong too. There are 27 texts in the NT. 13 of these were written by Paul, 4 by the disciple John, one by a different John, one each by Matthew, Mark, James and and Jude, 2 by Luke, and 2 by Peter. One author is unknown today but could be also Paul, and some parts of Peter's letters may have been from someone close to him instead.

There are four types of text, the gospels, telling the story of Jesus from a believer's point of view, a short history of the early days of the church, some personal letters and some addresses for Christian communities in various places.
I am sorry Manfred. I am not an authority on the NT.
Notwithstanding, I am sure such large volume as NT is, it was not compiled over a mere 23 years and as you stated was composed & written by Jesus's followers - not by one man.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:52 am
by Hombre
SAM wrote:It just needs a bit of the verses in the Quran to destroy the entire New and Old Testament.
:horseride: hay wait. Where are you running to - the la la land of Arabian fantasies?
How the world a book concocted by one illiterate man could "confirm" or "destroy" events written by eyewitnesses of those time some 1500 years earlier. :lotpot:

Original Injil in the Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:14 am
by SAM
Jesus said that Muhammad would glorify and testify about him.

The Virgin Mary is mentioned 34 times and her son, Jesus mentioned in 29 times, are very important verses from the original Injil that have been included in the Qur'an.

I excerpt one of the well-known verse Quran 5:110 and Infancy Gospel of Thomas 1:1-5 where several events from the life of Jesus son of Mary are recounted, which are not found in corrupted N.T.

Quran 5:110,

[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

Infancy Gospel of Thomas

“1 1 When the boy Jesus was five years old, he was playing at the ford of a rushing stream. And he gathered the disturbed water into pools and made them pure and excellent, commanding them by the character of his word alone and not by means of a deed.
2 Then, taking soft clay from the mud, he formed twelve sparrows. It was the Sabbath when he did these things, and many children were with him.
3 And a certain Jew, seeing the boy Jesus with the other children doing these things, went to his father Joseph and falsely accused the boy Jesus, saying that, on the Sabbath he made clay, which is not lawful, and fashioned twelve sparrows.
4 And Joseph came and rebuked him, saying, “Why are you doing these things on the Sabbath?” But Jesus, clapping his hands, commanded the birds with a shout in front of everyone and said, “Go, take flight, and remember me, living ones.” And the sparrows, taking flight, went away squawking.
5 When the Pharisee saw this he was amazed and reported it to all his friends.”

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:59 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:This is getting too stupid to respond too, Sam. None of the authors actually claim to be literally the word of God. The Qur'an makes this claim and it is provably false.

And Christians do not need any silly ramblings of a desert war lord to confirm anything. The more you write the dafter you sound.... Maybe you should leave the promotion of Islam to someone better read than you,,, you are in effect inly driving people away with this approach. Or perhaps you are doing this only to get approval from Muslims even less educated than you?

This part is almost correct though:
Most of the N.T texts do not exist in the Injil.


NONE of the NT texts are found in SAM's "injil" as a non-existing text cannot contain any words at all.
Poor translations of the N.T deserved to be called the word of Satan, because the Biblical scholars are not sure of the exact words of Jesus.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:13 am
by SAM
Hombre wrote:
SAM wrote:It just needs a bit of the verses in the Quran to destroy the entire New and Old Testament.
:horseride: hay wait. Where are you running to - the la la land of Arabian fantasies?
How the world a book concocted by one illiterate man could "confirm" or "destroy" events written by eyewitnesses of those time some 1500 years earlier. :lotpot:
Your Hebrew Bible has long been falsified, corrupted, altered, etc which is why Jesus faced the Pharisees, Scribes, High Priest and said that he had come not to abolish the Law as they did, but he wanted to improve the Law.

Matthew 5:17-18, Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:41 am
by manfred
You have shows yourself an example of something Mohammed plainly copied. So you can stop ranting about "corrupt" texts. The Qur'an is by your own evidence using "corrupt" texts as sources.

And here is a summary of what else you find the the "infant gospel of Thomas":

The text describes the life of the child Jesus, with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events, comparable to the trickster nature of the god-child in many a Greek myth. One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110, and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus' age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills his first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child when Jesus curses him when he apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

When Joseph and Mary's neighbours complain, they are miraculously struck blind by Jesus. Jesus then starts receiving lessons, but arrogantly tries to teach the teacher instead, upsetting the teacher who suspects supernatural origins. Jesus is amused by this suspicion, which he confirms, and revokes all his earlier apparent cruelty. Subsequently he resurrects a friend who is killed when he falls from a roof, and heals another who cuts his foot with an axe.

After various other demonstrations of supernatural ability, new teachers try to teach Jesus, but he proceeds to explain the law to them instead. There is another set of miracles in which Jesus heals his brother who is bitten by a snake, and two others who have died from different causes. Finally, the text recounts the episode in Luke in which Jesus, aged twelve, teaches in the temple, showing that it is LATER than the biblical texts.

So Jesus is described rather like Chucky the murdering doll...

But Mohammed used it as a source anyway. That is because he was indifferent to separating truth from fiction.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:52 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:You have shows yourself an example of something Mohammed plainly copied. So you can stop ranting about "corrupt" texts. The Qur'an is by your own evidence using "corrupt" texts as sources.

And here is a summary of what else you find the the "infant gospel of Thomas":

The text describes the life of the child Jesus, with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events, comparable to the trickster nature of the god-child in many a Greek myth. One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110, and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus' age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills his first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child when Jesus curses him when he apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

When Joseph and Mary's neighbours complain, they are miraculously struck blind by Jesus. Jesus then starts receiving lessons, but arrogantly tries to teach the teacher instead, upsetting the teacher who suspects supernatural origins. Jesus is amused by this suspicion, which he confirms, and revokes all his earlier apparent cruelty. Subsequently he resurrects a friend who is killed when he falls from a roof, and heals another who cuts his foot with an axe.

After various other demonstrations of supernatural ability, new teachers try to teach Jesus, but he proceeds to explain the law to them instead. There is another set of miracles in which Jesus heals his brother who is bitten by a snake, and two others who have died from different causes. Finally, the text recounts the episode in Luke in which Jesus, aged twelve, teaches in the temple, showing that it is LATER than the biblical texts.

So Jesus is described rather like Chucky the murdering doll...

But Mohammed used it as a source anyway. That is because he was indifferent to separating truth from fiction.


Well, you have proven that Jesus was a sinner, not sinless. He was a child murderer and also insulted the Pharisees and other Jews. :lol:

Moses also killed the Egyptians. Both Jesus and Moses killed innocent people with their own hands.

Unlike Muhammad, he did not kill anyone with his own hands. :whistling:

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:12 am
by manfred
Sam, you really seem to have lost your marbles... What I have shown you is the reason why Christianity has resoundingly rejected this text. It is not true, and very obviously so. Nonetheless did Mohammed use it as a source.

A fake story does not "prove" anything about Jesus at all. But Mohammed USING this fake story does tell you something about Mohammed and the Qur'an.

Unlike Muhammad, he did not kill anyone with his own hands.


He murdered many people, for example the Quraiza, and he raped the widow of a man he murdered.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:52 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:Sam, you really seem to have lost your marbles... What I have shown you is the reason why Christianity has resoundingly rejected this text. It is not true, and very obviously so. Nonetheless did Mohammed use it as a source.

A fake story does not "prove" anything about Jesus at all. But Mohammed USING this fake story does tell you something about Mohammed and the Qur'an.
Biblical scholars are not sure of the exact words of Jesus in N.T, but they know the exact words of Jesus in the Qur'an.

Jesus said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)." [3:52] :*)

Unlike Muhammad, he did not kill anyone with his own hands.


He murdered many people, for example the Quraiza, and he raped the widow of a man he murdered.
Although Muhammad fought with the enemies of Islam. :swordfight: You failed to prove that Muhammad had killed someone with his own hands.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:54 pm
by manfred
SAM so Jesus according to Mohammed was a Muslim... and his desciples were the "helpers in the cause of Allah"...

Mohammed, by same strange coincidence also had "helpers in the cause of Allah", and they stole, murdered and raped, as quite a few still do today. But you still cannot see how Mohammed "remodelled" biblical characters to suit his purpose.

Mohammed was a coward, and he never was found when there was fighting. He wore several suits of armour at once,,, :lotpot: and stayed well back.

Only afterwards did he appear to collect his prize...

We do have one account of Mohammed murdering with his own hand, instead of getting others to do the dirty work:

Ibn al-Qayyim said – when discussing the battle of Uhud –

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned towards the Muslims, and the first one who recognized him beneath his armour was Ka’b ibn Maalik, who shouted at the top of his voice, “O Muslims! Rejoice! This is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!” He gestured to him to be quiet, and the Muslims gathered around him and went with him to the mountain pass where he had camped. Among them were Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Ali, al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah al-Ansaari and others. When they got close to the mountain, Ubayy ibn Khalaf, who was on a horse of his whose name was al-‘Iwadh, caught up with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The enemy of Allaah had claimed that he would kill the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) whilst riding this horse. When he got close to him, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took a spear from al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah and killed him with it. It hit him in his collarbone and the enemy of Allaah retreated in defeat. The mushrikeen said to him, By Allaah, there is nothing wrong with you. He said, By Allaah, if what is wrong with me had happened to the family of Dhu’l-Majaaz, they would all have died. He used to feed his horse in Makkah and say, I will kill Muhammad riding it. News of that reached the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said: “Rather I will kill him in sha Allaah.” When he stabbed him, the enemy of Allaah remembered that that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had said, “Rather I will kill him,” and he was certain that he would die from this wound. And he died from it in Sarif on his way back to Makkah.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:16 pm
by SAM
manfred wrote:SAM so Jesus according to Mohammed was a Muslim... and his desciples were the "helpers in the cause of Allah"...
Did Allah or Muhammad say that Jesus was a Muslim.. :clueless:

Mohammed, by same strange coincidence also had "helpers in the cause of Allah", and they stole, murdered and raped, as quite a few still do today. But you still cannot see how Mohammed "remodelled" biblical characters to suit his purpose.
Christians claim God is Love, but there are so many wars caused by Christians in the name of Jesus Christ.

Mohammed was a coward, and he never was found when there was fighting. He wore several suits of armour at once,,, :lotpot: and stayed well back.

Only afterwards did he appear to collect his prize...

We do have one account of Mohammed murdering with his own hand, instead of getting others to do the dirty work:

Ibn al-Qayyim said – when discussing the battle of Uhud –

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned towards the Muslims, and the first one who recognized him beneath his armour was Ka’b ibn Maalik, who shouted at the top of his voice, “O Muslims! Rejoice! This is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!” He gestured to him to be quiet, and the Muslims gathered around him and went with him to the mountain pass where he had camped. Among them were Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Ali, al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah al-Ansaari and others. When they got close to the mountain, Ubayy ibn Khalaf, who was on a horse of his whose name was al-‘Iwadh, caught up with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The enemy of Allaah had claimed that he would kill the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) whilst riding this horse. When he got close to him, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took a spear from al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah and killed him with it. It hit him in his collarbone and the enemy of Allaah retreated in defeat. The mushrikeen said to him, By Allaah, there is nothing wrong with you. He said, By Allaah, if what is wrong with me had happened to the family of Dhu’l-Majaaz, they would all have died. He used to feed his horse in Makkah and say, I will kill Muhammad riding it. News of that reached the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said: “Rather I will kill him in sha Allaah.” When he stabbed him, the enemy of Allaah remembered that that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had said, “Rather I will kill him,” and he was certain that he would die from this wound. And he died from it in Sarif on his way back to Makkah.

You are blind to reviewing the story that the man died of an infection due to a scratch on his neck, caused by his own iron helmet, a few days after the famous battle of Uhud. Ubayy ibn Khalaf wore a full body covering the iron shield including the head and face covering the helmet. He attacked Muhammad to kill him. The horse jumped. He fell and returned to Mecca. He got an infection from a scratch on his neck and hallucinated because of the infection, and said that Muhammad took a spear from one of his followers and defended himself with it, and that Muhammad was able to kill him by spitting on him. He meant that he was afraid of how Muhammad looked. There is another story about what happened by saying that al-Hasrith ibn al-Simmah was injured and taken from the battle before Ubayy Ibn Khalaf's attack.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:40 pm
by manfred
Have a look what it says:

When he got close to him, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took a spear from al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah and killed him with it.


This is what Sam says it says

You are blind to reviewing the story that the man died of an infection due to a scratch on his neck, caused by his own iron helmet,


Did Allah or Muhammad say that Jesus was a Muslim..


Don;t play stupid games.

Allah is Mohammed's glove puppet and never said anything at all. Did Mohammed?

I think you would not process factual information if someone tatooed it on your body and forced you to read it a million times.

Mohammed taught that many "prophets" of the past received the one religion of Islam. (Ash-Shura 42:13) Who were these previous prophets? According to Al-An’am 6:85-87 they include Ibrahim (Abraham), ‘Ishaq (Issac), Yaqub (Jacob), Nuh (Noah), Dawud (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Ayyub (Job), Yusuf (Joseph), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), ‘Isa (Jesus), Ilyas, Ishmael, Al-Yash’a (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah) and Lut (Lot).

So, obviously, yes, in Mohammed's warped world, Jesus was a Muslim.

Christians claim God is Love, but there are so many wars caused by Christians in the name of Jesus Christ.


Christianity does not demand violence against others. It teaches the complete opposite. That does not mean that there are no Christians who do not follow the teachings.

Bt contrast Islam demands violence from Muslims and they have not stopped to shed blood for Islam for 1400 years. Islam is by a very large margin the largest source of violent death in the world.

Re: Stories of the Prophets: Bible vs Qur'an

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:07 pm
by SAM
manfred wrote:Have a look what it says:

When he got close to him, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took a spear from al-Haarith ibn al-Simmah and killed him with it.


This is what Sam says it says

You are blind to reviewing the story that the man died of an infection due to a scratch on his neck, caused by his own iron helmet,


“Following the publication of previously unknown fragments of ibn Isḥaq's traditions, recent scholarship suggests that ibn Isḥaq did not commit to writing any of the traditions now extant, but they were narrated orally to his transmitters. These new texts, found in accounts by Salama al-Ḥarranī and Yūnus ibn Bukayr, were hitherto unknown and contain versions different from those found in other works.” .. end of the citation from Ibn Ishaq - Wikipedia

Did Allah or Muhammad say that Jesus was a Muslim..


Don;t play stupid games.

Allah is Mohammed's glove puppet and never said anything at all. Did Mohammed?

I think you would not process factual information if someone tatooed it on your body and forced you to read it a million times.

Mohammed taught that many "prophets" of the past received the one religion of Islam. (Ash-Shura 42:13) Who were these previous prophets? According to Al-An’am 6:85-87 they include Ibrahim (Abraham), ‘Ishaq (Issac), Yaqub (Jacob), Nuh (Noah), Dawud (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Ayyub (Job), Yusuf (Joseph), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), ‘Isa (Jesus), Ilyas, Ishmael, Al-Yash’a (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah) and Lut (Lot).

So, obviously, yes, in Mohammed's warped world, Jesus was a Muslim.
You failed to provide evidence from the Quranic verse that Jesus was a Muslim.

Christians claim God is Love, but there are so many wars caused by Christians in the name of Jesus Christ.


Christianity does not demand violence against others. It teaches the complete opposite. That does not mean that there are Christians who do not follow the teachings.

Bt contrast Islam demands violence from Muslims and they have not stopped to shed blood for Islam for 1400 years. Islam is by a very large margin the largest source of violent death in the world.
Before the advent of Islam, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor Theodosius in 380 AD, many white pagans were forced to become Christians at the edge of the sword. Likewise, the tyranny of Christians in South America and Africa. Catholic Inquisition