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Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:37 pm
by sum
I ask this so that both the muslims and non-muslims will have a chance to see that the Koran and ahadith have very significant errors and so can not be from a god or a prophet from this god. The visitors to the forum will also see the falsehood of the Koran and also the ludicrous explanations of Muhammad.

Which do you consider to be the top three?

For number one, I would suggest Allah claiming that the sun sets in a muddy pool.

I hope that this post will attract more suggestions.

sum

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:41 pm
by manfred
sperm emanates from between the backbone and the ribs....
Jews believe that Ezra is the son of God...
The Christian trinity is Allah, Jesus and Mary....
Mary, the mother of Jesus is the daughter of Imran (i.e Mary is the sister of Moses, and Moses the uncle of Jesus....)
Mountains are pegs.
Talking ants.
Shooting stars are missiles against spying jinn..
Slices of beef can solve a murder ... if you slap the body with it, then the body will wake up and tell you the name of the culprit...
The earth is flat and the sun, moon and stars all move round it.
The heavens are solid.
People used burnt bricks in ancient Egypt.
.....

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:49 pm
by sum
So far, I rate

the sun setting in a muddy pool as no 1
sperm emanates from between the backbone and the ribs... as no 2

Any thoughts on no 3?

I am looking forward to a verse either from the Koran or ahadith that is both wrong and leaves the muslims with no wriggle room for no 3.

sum

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:20 pm
by M85
sum wrote:I am looking forward to a verse either from the Koran or ahadith that is both wrong and leaves the muslims with no wriggle room for no 3.

Hi sum, from what I have seen, no one verse, absurdity or error will prevent a believer from pulling a complete dodge. I tend to look at evidences such as Mecca simply did not exist prior to Mohammad's time (400 years prior at the absolute most), and the physical/biological impossibilities from the 90 ft tall Adam (hadith). Of course any evidence or hopelessly flawed verses will be ignored.

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:41 pm
by manfred
You are absolutely right, M85.

To a Muslim the Qur'an is the eternal, error free exact word of God. This is treated much like an Axiom in Mathematics. It cannot in itself be proven, but is seen as the unshakable, "obvious" foundations Islam stands on.

So when people bring up these issues, the Muslim reaction is always the same. The Qur'an "by definition" is error free so any error found is merely something we do not "read" the "correct way". Or worse, it is something wicked non-Muslims say to drag pious Muslims to hell.

It is incredible how such a fear can impede rational faculties.

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:43 pm
by Fernando
On a smaller scale: that one wing of a fly has a disease and the other has the antidote.
On a larger scale: has anyone already mentioned stars as lamps, meteors as missiles?
Also on a large scale - I'm not sure about where the Earth is supposed to rest. Is there an Islamic equivalent of "it's turtles all the way down"?

Re: Which are the top three errors in the Koran and Ahadith?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:18 pm
by sum
Hello M85 et al

Pointing out the errors in the Koran is not just to show the muslims the errors but also to show the non-muslims. The regulars to the forum already know the errors in the Koran but visitors to the forum are probably not as aware of the errors as the regulars are. The more non-muslims and muslims at the "edge" of Islam know about the errors the better. Informing the non-muslims( the vilest of all creatures) will help to oppose the advance of Islam as well as putting the muslims onto the backfoot in having to explain away the errors and absurdities.

To the non-muslims, these quotes show beyond any doubt that the Koran is certainly not from any god and therefore a falsehood. At this point, Islam is shown to be false and an evil sham.

If you read about indoctrination you will find that the first casualties of indoctrination are reason and logic. The indoctrinated brain protects what has already been programmed into the mind by not allowing new information to interfere or contradict what has already been programmed in.

sum