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Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:16 am
by Fernando
The BBC has discovered that Pakistan has a system of tunnels for burying old damaged Korans. Where possible, the workers repair and reuse them instead. Somehow I don't suppose anyone is going to find any ancient, variant copies there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-43201622/the-tunnels-that-house-old-korans
However, looking for a picture, I see that Google has evidence that the BBC might have found the story in a tunnel containing old copies of the Telegraph from 2001
Man with a mission brings Mohammed to the mountain

By Tim Butcher

12:00AM BST 21 Sep 2001
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1341227/Man-with-a-mission-brings-Mohammed-to-the-mountain.html
Subsequent mining in 2016 dug up this among other photographs
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This photograph taken on January 15,2016, shows Haji Abdul Sammad Lehri cuts verses of the Holy Koran from a newspaper at his residence in Quetta. Deep inside the dry, biscuit-coloured mountains surrounding Pakistan's southwestern city of Quetta lies an unexpected treasure: a honeycomb of tunnels bursting with cases of Korans, hidden safe from desecration. AFP PHOTO/Banaras KHAN
http://english.astroawani.com/world-photos/seeking-miracle-pakistans-koran-mountain-3537/haji-abdul-sammad-lehri-gesturing-36819

Even words in newspapers have to be preserved - the BBC will have been glad to have discovered!

Re: Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:16 pm
by sum
It just shows the power and effect of indoctrination on the mind.

"Trying to reason with someone who is indoctrinated is like giving medicine to a dead man."

sum

Re: Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:53 pm
by manfred
There was a time when Muslims tried to hide the Qur'an from "unbelievers", in accordance with Mohammed's command, so that they my no "quarrel with you over it". That in itself speaks for itself... even Mohammed knew he could not defend his teachings.

Re: Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:13 pm
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:There was a time when Muslims tried to hide the Qur'an from "unbelievers", in accordance with Mohammed's command, so that they my no "quarrel with you over it". That in itself speaks for itself... even Mohammed knew he could not defend his teachings.


Which verse?

Re: Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:08 pm
by Fernando
How about this, NS?
IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TAKE THE QUR'AN TO THE LAND OF THE INFIDELS WHEN IT IS FEARED THAT IT MIGHT FALL INTO THEIR HANDS
Sahih Muslim
by Imam Muslim, translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui , Volume: The Book on Government (Kitab Al-Imara)
4607.
It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar who said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade that one should travel to the land of the enemy taking the Qur'an with him.
4608.
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to forbid that one should travel to the land of the enemy taking the Qur'an (with him) lest it should fall into the hands of the enemy.
4609.
It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take the Qur'an on a journey with you, for I am afraid lost it should fall into the hands of the enemy. Ayyub (one of the narrators in the chain of transmitters) said: The enemy may seize it and may quarrel with you over it.
http://www.theonlyquran.com/hadith/Sahih-Muslim/?volume=20&chapter=24

Re: Sanaa 2 - not

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:31 am
by Ibn Rushd
Sounds like the early catholicizing doctrine of not arguing with heretics, as the heretics new the scriptures inside and out, so the orthodox were unlikely to win an argument.