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Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:20 am
by sum
I ask this question because I am lead to believe that the Koran in Arabic is the only "real" version of the Koran and to which muslims should only refer and regard as "true".

What percent of muslims are truly able to read the Arabic version of the Koran? Where do they learn their Arabic? If they are unable to read Arabic in a fluent way then where do they learn their Islam? Surely it can not be from family or peers as this would not necessarily be accurate or complete?

Logic would suggest that it comes from the mosque and the Imams. Perhaps the internet. Several years ago I read that the Chinese stopped children attending the mosque until they were 12yrs old in order to prevent or reduce indoctrination. I do not know if this still applies.

(I say): Since an imam is installed for two kinds of public weal, by which religious and political affairs are regulated, and since the Prophet was sent for their sake, and the imam is the Prophet’s deputy and an executor of his mission, therefore, obedience to the imam is indeed obedience to the Prophet. And disobedience to him would be tantamount to disobedience of the Prophet except when he commands to commit a sin. For then it would be evident that obedience to him is no longer in obedience to God, and in that event, he would cease to be a deputy of God’s Prophet. This is why the Prophet said: “Whoever follows an amir, he indeed follows me, and whoever disobeys an amir, he indeed disobeys me” [Sahih Muslim]. [Shah Wali Allah, Selection from Hujjat Allah al-Balighah, English Translation, 2006, pp. 116-117]

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Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:20 pm
by manfred
I could not say about Muslims everywhere, but in Malaysia and Indonesia, people mostly have both an Arabic copy and a translation.

Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:59 pm
by pr126
Owning the Quran in Arabic does not necessarily mean that the owner can read and understand Arabic.
Many can read, recite the Arabic verses without any comprehension what those verses mean.
Only 20% of Muslims understand Arabic. 80% of Muslims do not, and must rely on translations.

Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:36 pm
by sum
I can not believe that muslims can self educate themselves with regard to Islam. Would it be possible for them to learn from an Arabic Koran - or even a translation - about the order in which the revelations came and about the significance of abrogation? Only attendance at a mosque and the info given by an Imam would educate the muslims on these matters. If they are using a translation in their own language then isn`t that inadequate as Arabic is Allah`s language?

I believe that Imams are pivotal for muslims to understand the ideology of Islam. It would appear that written translations of the Koran are not fully acceptable but the verbal translation by an Imam into the local language is. Bear in mind that obeying the Imam is obeying Muhammad.

sum

Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:24 am
by sum
Will there be any muslim comment on this matter or is it a subject that "puts them on the spot"?

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Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:52 pm
by Fernando
We are regularly told here that translations of the Koran are not valid, that only "the original" version correctly conveys the "revelations". Where does that place these translations in a Muslim household?

Re: Do muslims only have the Koran in Arabic?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:00 pm
by sum
It`s ironic that nearly all translations in common use are by muslims themselves yet they are considered invalid.

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