Centaur wrote:yet Another Error
Garudaman wrote:how you can make sure that it's mistranslation, not just another/different story? Talmud & Quran vs nothing.
Garudaman wrote:do you understand what the mean of another story? it means, Abraham delivered from Ur is correct & Abraham delivered from fire is also correct.
manfred wrote:Oh I understand what you mean, but that does not take account of the facts....
The story of the fire is problematic because:
a) it is not part of the original story, and none of biblical writers speak of it,
b) the first time it is mentioned is over 2000 years after Abraham's death, in a round about way, and that story, the Talmud story, is based on a translation error. It is a best just a story, a legend, and obviously not an account of events.
c) The Qur'an does not make a distinction between proper sources and later embellishments, which makes it itself unreliable.
They want context? How's that for context - clearly context showing that it was all made up.manfred wrote:It is kind of odd how a book supposedly written before the universe existed
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman
How come a god such as Allah is unable to present a clear and unambiguous message to mankind? Allah claims that the Koran is clear and easy to understand but he is very wide of the mark and apparently even unable to see that what he presented is nothing like what he claimed to be clear. Is Allah simple minded and deficient in basic intelligence?
sum wrote:How do we know which verses are meant to be literal and which allegorical?
sum wrote:Allah is a total incompetent in conveying what is supposed to be the last and final guidance for mankind. How do we know which verses are meant to be literal and which allegorical? Why are we supposed to use context
sum wrote: - does Allah say that we should?
sum wrote:Who provides the context
You can't argue that literal words can be taken literally or allegorically. The words must be literal words intended to be taken literally or allegorical words intended to be understood as an allegory. Otherwise we're back to Humpty Dumpty again.Garudaman wrote:I said/mean literal interpretation, not literal word.
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