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Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:56 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:OK, so for you, there has to be be an obvious link to the Qur'an. The last time by the way, you did not say Qur'an you said "pillars of faith" which is entirely different.
:lol: How fools you are? All Muslims understand what is meant.. pillars of faith.

Does that mean ALL hadith that do not say the same thing as some verse in the Qur'an are rejected by you? Then why have hadith at all?
Still asking the same old questions, Hadiths and the Gospels both were written-collected by men, and are based on the oral transmission and hearsay. About the hadiths, Muslims know who actually collected the Hadiths, and they know who passed them on, and who actually made the original statement that was passed on, when compared to the Gospels, Christians literally don’t know who was passing the stories, they’re all anonymous.

Or do you mean there has to be some tentative connection only? Then how does that amount to evidence of reliability?
Are not merely inventing a rule for yourself designed not to discover the truth, the facts, the best way we can know them, but instead helping you to to avoid facing up to uncomfortable things known about Mohammed?
:lotpot: Islam haters want to teach me about Muhammad. I know who the real Muhammad, Jesus and Moses more than you.

Let me give you an example: The Qur'an mentions lashings as a punishment for zina. There is no differentiation between married or unmarried people in the Qur'an. Shariah takes a very different line, based on Mohammed's actions. The reports about what Mohammed actually did are from the same sources as many hadith.
As I said, you are poor debater and always inconsistent...Stick to the topic.

So in effect we actually have an example of Mohammed which is not the same as the instructions in the Qur'an. Which then would be your guideline?
As I have said many times, you really have a lot of lack of knowledge and understanding of Islam. You think the teachings of Islam like Christianity.

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:14 am
by manfred
Why don't you just be honest and say what is obvious from your response: You neither can nor want to answer this.

You "know the real Mohammed" when in reality you only have a idealised image of this man and are too scared and too lazy to find out more.

And the question of stoning for zina is too sensitive for you to even think about...

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:52 am
by manfred
As I have said many times, you really have a lot of lack of knowledge and understanding of Islam.

And as I have told you many times, being rude is not an argument, and an emotional attachment to Islam is no substitute for study, in fact it is the biggest obstacle to get even the most basic understanding of it.

Suppose a woman has a cat which she loves very much. She spoils it, talks to it, strokes it, feeds it be best morsels she can find, dresses her up in a pretty bonnet, sleeps with her in the same bed, and says her cat is her best and only friend, and can do wondrous things. Does that make her an expert on cats?

Your Mohammed is like that cat. 1% real animal, real man, 99% imagination and wishful thinking. And you are like that woman, making Mohammed into something he certainly was not. And anyone who sees only the man Mohammed and not your elaborate creation of Super-Mohammed must just be ignorant, right?

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:30 pm
by manfred
Often your argument is like this song:

And of course you are entirely right in saying your own preferences, however odd, are your own business.

As long, of course, they don't affect other people. Islam in not content with holding unreasonable, ridiculous beliefs. They want everybody else to hold them too, and anyone who does not is not even a real human being....

Listen to the song, SAM, you will spot something very familiar to you, even though the song itself has nothing at all to do Islam....

The singer at the end speaks of live and let live... if only Muslims could also do that...

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:06 pm
by SAM
As I said before, you’re entitled to your own opinion. And me, of course also entitled to ignore it. It is false and weak hadith which are not related to the Quran even if it is sahih. :smartass: The majority of Muslims will ignore it, they know it is not important to know it.

Try harder and you will fail miserably again.. :whistling:

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:12 pm
by manfred
The little smiley with the doctor had told you all that? How can it be false and at the same time be authentic?

And it seems you are incapable to follow the argument places before you. So, sure, you can ignore it, but that is what you always do with uncomfortable information... I wonder... if your bank writes to tell you you have overdrawn your account, you probably ignore that too, and blame the Jews for that, right?

As to ignoring this hadith, of course you do. And I have repeatedly told you why: it does not fit with your picture perfect Mohammed of your fantasy.

So ignoring it you confirm for all to see that Islam is mere wishful thinking. You simply block out anything, even if reliable, that does not sit well.

Like a man choosing flowers for a window box you pick and choose whatever you feel Mohammed SHOULD HAVE BEEN, or what YOU LIKE HIM TO BE, with no regard to reality.

And who really fails, if one person providing some uncomfortable facts and the other person refusing to look? You refuse to look and are proud of it.

You are like a boy whose father wants to teach him to swim, and he refuses to go near the water, but at the same time saying that is father is rubbish at teaching him to swim.

Re: the seasons explained

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:55 pm
by Fernando
I think, Manfred, that the likes of SAM and Islam_assumes are simply rejecting the elaborate structures built up by thousands of Muslims scholars over hundreds of years - the elite establishent - and adopting a philosophy of Islam that that suits the modern Muslim masses in the more retrograde Muslim communities. What some might call the populists: the Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage of Islam.
Never mind the complexities, feel the anger.