Quran 20:95

[marduk]

20:95 He replied: "I saw what they saw not: so I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus did my soul suggest to me."

That line is interpreted by Quran commentators as meaning that he (Samiri) had seen Gabriel walking around in the Sinai and that his footprint dust was thought by him to have special powers. Slight problem with that, because the first appearance of Gabriel in the Bible is with Daniel, around the time of the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem, a time long after Moses. In fact he only appears in Daniel and Luke. So how would Samiri have known what Gabriel looked like and why would he not be shocked that he showed up for the first time in the history of the world?

The Bible does say " Exodus 3 New International Version (NIV)
Moses and the Burning Bush

3 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.

4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!” And Moses said, “Here I am.”

Alright, so an angel, possibly Gabriel, is with Moses and the Burning bush. So how did Samiri see him down there with them walking around? And how is it that Samiri was the only person who had the ability to see him?

[manfred]

Hello Marduk. Long time, no see. It is good to have you back!.

That is an interesting illustration on the unhistorical way Muslims approach the text. The "Samiri" themselves are also an anachronism. In fact the whole tale is quite odd.

Thank you finding this one.

[marduk]

There are also a few different Surahs that tell the story of Moses and the Pharaoh, and they all have different wording. Seems like if it was a true story and it was being told by God it wouldn't keep changing every time it was told. Obviously God would know the exact words that had been spoken by each character, but the Quran doesn't think so. Muslims claim that every word in the Quran is from Allah and it's all perfect. Well apparently not.

Quran 7:

104. And Musa (Moses) said: "O Fir'aun (Pharaoh)! I am a Messenger from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
105. "Proper it is for me that I say nothing concerning Allah but the truth. Indeed I have come unto you from your Lord with a clear proof. So let the Children of Israel depart along with me."
106. [Fir'aun (Pharaoh)] said: "If you have come with a sign, show it forth, - if you are one of those who tell the truth."


Quran 26:

but understand!"
29. Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "If you choose an ilah (god) other than me, I will certainly put you among the prisoners."
30. Musa (Moses) said: "Even if I bring you something manifest (and convincing)?"
31. Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "Bring it forth then, if you are of the truthful!"
32. So [Musa (Moses)] threw his stick, and behold, it was a serpent, manifest.
33. And he drew out his hand, and behold, it was white to all beholders!
34. [Fir'aun (Pharaoh)] said to the chiefs around him: "Verily! This is indeed a well-versed sorcerer.
35. "He wants to drive you out of your land by his sorcery, then what is it your counsel, and what do you command?"
36. They said: "Put him off and his brother (for a while), and send callers to the cities;
37. "To bring up to you every well-versed sorcerer."

Quran 20

20:49 (Pharaoh) said: Who is your Lord, O Moses?
20:50 He said: Our Lord is He Who gives to everything its creation, then guides (it).
20:51 He said: What then is the state of the former generations?
20:52 He said: The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a book; my Lord neither errs nor forgets —
20:53 Who made the earth for you an expanse and made for you therein paths and sent down water from the clouds. Then thereby We bring forth pairs of various herbs.
20:54 Eat and pasture your cattle. Surely there are signs in this for men of understanding.
20:55 From it We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it raise you a second time.
20:56 And truly We showed him all Our signs but he rejected and refused.
20:57 Said he: Hast thou come to us to turn us out of our land by thy enchantment, O Moses?
20:58 We too can bring to thee enchantment like it, so make an appointment between us and thee, which we break not, (neither) we nor thou, (in) a central place.
20:59 (Moses) said: Your appointment is the day of the Festival, and let the people be gathered in the early forenoon.
20:60 So Pharaoh went back and settled his plan, then came.
20:61 Moses said to them: Woe to you! Forge not a lie against Allah, lest He destroy you by punishment, and he fails indeed who forges (a lie).
20:62 So they disputed one with another about their affair and kept the discourse secret.
20:63 They said: These are surely two enchanters who would drive you out from your land by their enchantment, and destroy your excellent institutions.
20:64 So settle your plan, then come in ranks, and he will succeed indeed this day who is uppermost.
20:65 They said: O Moses, wilt thou cast, or shall we be the first to cast down?
20:66 He said: Nay! Cast you down. Then lo! their cords and their rods — it appeared to him by their enchantment as if they ran.
20:67 So Moses conceived fear in his mind.
20:68 We said: Fear not, surely thou art the uppermost.
20:69 And cast down what is in thy right hand — it will eat up what they have wrought. What they have wrought is only the trick of an enchanter, and the enchanter succeeds not wheresoever he comes from.
20:70 So the enchanters fell down prostrate, saying: We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.
20:71 (Pharaoh) said: You believe in him before I give you leave! Surely he is your chief who taught you enchantment. So I shall cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm-trees, and you shall certainly know which of us can give the severer and the more abiding chastisement.
20:72 They said: We cannot prefer thee to what has come to us of clear arguments and to Him Who made us, so decide as thou wilt decide. Thou canst only decide about this world’s life.

There's probably more versions but will suffice for now to make my point.

[AlexmenCorn]

WALLAHi its so obvious on the Quran that the creation of heavens and earth was before the creation of Adam... Anyone who read the passage that tells us about the discussion between ALLAH and the angels about the Khilafa of Adam can understand it very well.. want me to