No confusion at all. If you want to confuse yourself, you may but Muslim men can have sex with their slave-women. It is divinely sanctioned.fudgy wrote:There has been some confusion regarding Muslim men allowed to have sex with their slaves.
Its basis is in the Quran and Ahadith.fudgy wrote:Many commentators agree that this is true and has its basis in the Hadith.
It is not the question of being popular. If your book and endorsing sources say “Yes”, you have no way out of it other than approving it.fudgy wrote:However, just because a opinion is popular does not make it a correct one!
I agree;fudgy wrote:Fornication is fornication and being unfaithful is being unfaithful irrespective of doing it with a free women or doing it with a slave.
Darn…, this story bores me up really because I have gone through it many times. The prophet you mention was purchased by Aziz (according to Quran) a noble man (or some say he was then king of a part in Egypt.) Joseph was handsome so Aziz’s wife tried to lure him. The slave preserved his loyalty to his master and did not cheat him. He did not commit the evil act of cheating and being ungrateful to his master.fudgy wrote:Let us take a look at the story of a Prophet who has been sold into slavery.
That’s all, and please do not bring this story again especially in bolded oversized letters.
It is not Allah who prohibited it. Being loyal to masters and not bonking their wives was the existing rules for slaves. Joseph did not break this rule.fudgy wrote:Allah prohibited a Prophet from doing such stuff,
If you become slave of an Arab master in Saudi Arabia, you are not allowed to have sex with his wife or wives. If you do, then your head would be the price you will pay for it.fudgy wrote:do you think he will allow us to do such stuff? Look how Prophet Joseph is saying that he would rather go to prison than to commit fornication and such indecency.
Because Allah did not allow male slaves to bonk their master’s wives. Prophet Joseph observed this rule.
But we are discussing Muslim men having sex with their slave-women. What the hell Joseph’s story has to do with this? Are you stupid?
The most ambiguous translation of Quran belongs to this man. I hate referring him.fudgy wrote:The only place where there might be a slight hint of Muslims allowed to have sex with their slaves is mentioned in 23:5-6.
Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, Quran 23:6
The following verse is actually best translated by Jew/Agnostic who has later embraced Islam namely Muhammad Asad.
Drool… you appeals to a misleading authority my dear Muslim. Asad is not a recognized Muslim scholar. He was merely a convert who lost himself in the deserts of pre-oil Arabia. I must admit the guy had awesome writing skills. His “The road to Mecca” is an excellent read.fudgy wrote:Now, I do not usually bring any commentators or hadith to prove my point. It is evident that these verses never talks about allowing sex outside of marriage even with slaves; such notions are contradictory to the basics of Islam.
This is the most apologetic translation of the verse. Very convenient for Asad and Muslim apologists to distort the verses of Quran to their likings..!!fudgy wrote: [not giving way to their desires] with any but their spouses - that is, those whom they rightfully possess [through wedlock]
This Asad is an opportunist at best. I say this because most often in his translation, he has referred Al-Razi’s Quran commentary. But here he drops Al-Razi and all classic commentators to bring up his anomalous version. Very much opportunistic indeed.fudgy wrote:And here is his commentary:Asad explanation is far more superior to the one that I could have given you. Indeed, why did most of the translators translated the term "spouses" to "wives"?Spoiler! :
Check the verse in Arabic you ignorant. “Wa Ankihoo” does not mean “Marry”. Its exact meaning is “Marry Off”. Allah is telling masters to marry off their freemen and their slave-men and women.fudgy wrote: Let us look at another verses 24:32-33:Read these verses carefully do you see Allah telling us that if we cannot marry we should remain chaste except those whom we posses through our right hand??? No!Spoiler! :
Allah should not say it because a person who can not afford to marry can not pay for a slave-woman. Allah knew it well;fudgy wrote: Does Allah say that if you cannot find a way to get married then go find yourself a slave??
Purchasing a slave-woman and giving dowry to a woman to marry her, both requires financial means.
You are right. As “You have said” and not "As Islam’s authentic sources say". You can have your say but that can not find a way to Islamic Sharia if you do not corroborate to your tradition.fudgy wrote: No! As I have said such notions are contradictory to the basics of Islam.
Your prophet had a concubine named Maria. His only son Ibrahim (who died in infancy) was born in that slave-woman. I don’t need hadiths to prove it because there is hint for it in Quran Surah Tahrim. See:fudgy wrote: In the end, sex with slaves are simply fabrications of such men who sought to use religion as a means to spread their personal desires.
And when the prophet confided to some (of) his wives an information, so when she informed with it (others) and God made it apparent on (to) him, he made some of it known and he opposed from some, so when he informed her with it, she said: "Who informed you (of) this?" He said: "The knowledgeable, the experienced informed me.". [Quran: 66:3]
Don’t touch any Tafsir, don’t quote from Hadith books. Tell me what is that information your prophet confided from his wives? What is that little secret?
That is why Islam is such a crappy religion…yuckit;fudgy wrote: Sexually abusing one's slave is an evil act which relates to nothing but immodestly and indecency!