Is Allah the worst communicator ever?

[sum]

Hello Mughal

Your reply to my post does not make sense. If Muhammad did the best that he could but made some mistakes why did Allah not point this out in the Koran so that Muhammad and the muslims would not make the same mistake again?

The only mild rebuke that Allah made that I am aware of is to tell Muhammad that he should continue his lustful pursuit of his adopted son`s wife. The Koran claims that Muhammad should follow the advice of Allah and not the disapproval of the people in lusting after his adopted son`s wife. Where are the other criticisms of Muhammad when he erred?

If the Koran has no more criticisms then Muhammad`s words and deeds will have met with Allah`s approval.

Do you really think that Muhammad did not fully understand the words of Allah and follow them out with Allah`s approval? Where is Allah`s criticism and advice on how to act as Allah wanted him to?

sum

[Mughal]

Mughal:

I am still waiting for your reply.

Please answer the question:

Was Mohammed obeying Allah when he attacked, fought and killed non combatants to bring them to accept Islam?

Dear frankie, we were not present at the time to witness things ourselves and all we have is accounts by individual people and we also know what some people get up to so there are a lot of factors which need to be taken into account before anyone could truly accuse any messenger of God about doing things against guidance of God or for messing up humanity. When you understand this much you will also realise it is not the right way to try to make sense of deen of islam. First thing we human beings need to do is to look for a clear way for understanding a message of God. It is very wrong to start with saying there is no God or there cannot be any revelation from God or word of God means or does not mean this or that etc etc. I have detailed all these main points in my posts here and there. Till people organise and prepare themselves for undertaking proper study of the scripture from God they can only talk about it but can never get anywhere near knowing what they ought to be knowing. So my advice for you is to undertake proper study of the quran and use my work as a helpful tool and you may end up doing better than me about knowing the quran and deen of islam otherwise you can carry on as you have been and see what you get out of it at the end of the day.

regards and all the best.

[Mughal]

Mughal, please think before making a suggestion... what would be the point of a "guidance" that cannot be properly understood? The "moral code" Muslims follow really is very poor indeed. In fact, so bad, they would be better off without with such a guidance... telling people to kill others for things like their beliefs or things they may have done in the privacy of their bedroom really is MIS-guided.

If this Allah of yours had simply kept his mouth shut people certainly would have found better moral guidance through their own efforts in thinking.

Dear manfred, have you or anyone else you know has found any better guidance than the one I see in the quran? If yes, please share.

regards and all the best.

[Mughal]

Mughal wrote:

Dear pr126, some ignorant people try to prove this is what deen of islam is but it is not. This is what most muslims say what deen of islam is but it is not and those who say so are ignorant people. Why should we listen to ignorant people and ignore those who talk sense?

Most Muslims amount to 1.5 billion, and most non-Muslims too, who read the Islamic scriptures and understood it as is written, are then ignorant people.

And that is because NONE of them really understand the message of the alleged words of Allah.

Sad, because hundreds of millions have been butchered, enslaved, raped, and plundered in the last 1400 years because of this misunderstanding, and the corpses are still piling up and will do in the foreseeable future.

The blame is entirely with Allah, if indeed this is his work, which I strongly doubt.

Dear pr126, when did you make any real effort to undertake proper study of the quran? If you did please share what you found out and how did you go about studying the quran. I have been studying the quran and I am sharing hopw I went about it and what are the problems that I came across which I had to overcome. I am sharing the result of my study of the quran. I have not come across anyone who has studied the quran as I have other than a few muslim scholars who have passed away. Knowledge speaks for itself my friend.

regards and all the best.

[manfred]

Dear manfred, have you or anyone else you know has found any better guidance than the one I see in the quran? If yes, please share.

regards and all the best.

Are you serious? Of all the systems of ethics ever proposed Islam is by a very large margin the worst.

Please google "civilisation" and you find many examples of better guidance. Islam is the diametric opposite of the values we found and established in the West. It is anti-freedom, anti-equality and anti-human. It is oppressive and cruel, and worst of all it is self-serving: "rules" can be ignored to further the "cause" of Islam. It sanctions the beating of women, the killing of unbelievers or homosexuals, slavery, bodily mutilation as a punishment and much more. You have to be mad to suggest this is guiding anyone. It is turning people into the monstrous creatures who join ISIS.

But of course you know that which is why you have chosen not to live in a place where this "guidance" is implemented.

[pr126]

Dear pr126, when did you make any real effort to undertake proper study of the quran? If you did please share what you found out and how did you go about studying the quran. I have been studying the quran and I am sharing hopw I went about it and what are the problems that I came across which I had to overcome. I am sharing the result of my study of the quran. I have not come across anyone who has studied the quran as I have other than a few muslim scholars who have passed away. Knowledge speaks for itself my friend.

Out of the 1.5 billion Muslims how many have studied the Quran the way you did ? (provided that they can even read it).
How is your version agrees with sharia? If it does not - which must be the case, - can sharia be dumped?

Mughal wrote:

have you or anyone else you know has found any better guidance than the one I see in the quran?

The way you see the Quran is not necessarily the same other Muslims see.

You are determined to save Islam from itself. I do not think for a moment that this will work. Or it is worth saving.

[Mughal]

Hello Mughal

Your reply to my post does not make sense. If Muhammad did the best that he could but made some mistakes why did Allah not point this out in the Koran so that Muhammad and the muslims would not make the same mistake again?

The only mild rebuke that Allah made that I am aware of is to tell Muhammad that he should continue his lustful pursuit of his adopted son`s wife. The Koran claims that Muhammad should follow the advice of Allah and not the disapproval of the people in lusting after his adopted son`s wife. Where are the other criticisms of Muhammad when he erred?

If the Koran has no more criticisms then Muhammad`s words and deeds will have met with Allah`s approval.

Do you really think that Muhammad did not fully understand the words of Allah and follow them out with Allah`s approval? Where is Allah`s criticism and advice on how to act as Allah wanted him to?

sum

Dear sum, the quran is a program from God in form of a book of guidance which sets out what people ought to do and what they are not supposed to do because it sets out goals for mankind to accomplish and gives them guidelines to follow when they struggle for accomplishing those set goals. If people will not do what they are told to do then goals cannot be accomplished by them and likewise if they will do what they are not supposed to do then again they cannot accomplish the goals they ought to. The failing in accomplishing God set goals means people will remain in painful suffering because only and only accomplishing the God set goals can elevate mankind out of painful suffering which is result of people going about living their lives the way they choose for themselves instead of studying guidance of God properly and following it faithfully.

In deen of islam there is no concept of imaginary sins and forgiveness or atonement. Deen of islam is about achievements of humanity not about people being saved from sin to be as they were. In deen of islam God did not create mankind at the top of the world but for the top of the word by their own efforts. So human beings are created at a very basic level to be something as much as they can be by their own knowledge and planning and doing things. It is a very different concept from religion and that is why one has to read through my work to see what it is all about. All versions of religion are one and the same nonsense just like all versions of secularism. Deen of islam is a very different concept as explained by the quran as I understand it after putting a lot of time and effort into it.

The quran is book of guidance and it tells what will happen if one did what it says and what will happen if one did not and tells stories of past generations to show what happened to them and why and what will happen to current or coming generations if they will follow the quran or if they will not. So each people come and go and the clues they leave behind tell their stories which become lessons for people present or yet to come.

As for messengers of Allah the quran tells us that they all were a great people who worked for unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind therefore God was pleased with them due to their works which they carried out faithfully for furthering the mission that God assigned for them. This is why there is no need for the quran to talk about individuals and theuir actions because they themselves are guided by the book of God. You need to realise the difference between the program and its implementers. The program and the standard has the priority not people because people come and go but the program and standard of God is forever to be understood by mankind properly and followed faithfully when they choose to do so. Just because people do not bother to learn the quran properly now it does not mean they never will. The quran is very clear that a time will come when all ways of life invented and adopted by people will become useless for them and the only option before them will be deen of islam. Meanwhile peopel can keep teachiong and learning from each other whatever they can becaue that is what will help them one day see the greatness of the quranic way of life.

regards and all the best.

[manfred]

The quran is book of guidance and it tells what will happen if one did what it says and what will happen if one did not and tells stories of past generations to show what happened to them and why and what will happen to current or coming generations if they will follow the quran or if they will not.

Seriously??? That is your conclusion of your study???

Come on my man, you cannot be serious.

Here is a "book of guidance" also making those same claims, but nobody takes it seriously, because it is utterly silly. It is however better written than the Qur'an, marginally less blood thirsty, and definitely more entertaining:


http://germanstories.vcu.edu/struwwel/struwwel.html

So, even that dire book is better than the Qur'an.

[frankie]

Mughal:

I am still waiting for your reply.

Please answer the question:

Was Mohammed obeying Allah when he attacked, fought and killed non combatants to bring them to accept Islam?

Dear frankie, we were not present at the time to witness things ourselves and all we have is accounts by individual people and we also know what some people get up to so there are a lot of factors which need to be taken into account before anyone could truly accuse any messenger of God about doing things against guidance of God or for messing up humanity. When you understand this much you will also realise it is not the right to try to make sense of deen of islam. First thing we human beings need to do is to look for a clear way for understanding a message of God. It is very wrong to start with saying there is no God or there cannot be any revelation from God or word of God means or does not mean this or that etc etc. I have detailed all these main points in my posts here and there. Till people organise and prepare themselves for undertaking proper study of the scripture from God they can only talk about it but can never get anywhere near knowing what they ought to be knowing. So my advice for you is to undertake proper study of the quran and use my work as a helpful tool and you may end up doing better than me about knowing the quran and deen of islam otherwise you can carry on as you have been and see what you get out of it at the end of the day.

regards and all the best.

Mughal:

The hadiths quotes are given the classification as Sahih by your own people, which means that Muslims can emulate their prophets example with confidence,knowing that their scholars have done the work before them, classifying the reports of Mohamed's ways and example as "sound" and reliable.

And so your answer does not make any sense to those who put their trust in these reports, and have done so for centuries.

Do you think Allah would allow his scholars to be in error when reporting the ways and example of his "perfect example for mankind, "which in turn would make anyone who read these alleged erroneous reports and put them into action, disobey Allah?

If Mohammed is given to be mankind's role model for all time, then the sahih hadiths quoted show Mohammed to be a very poor role model, as his actions prove him to be a tyrant, which then follows, the god that gave him his instructions to act this way must be a tyrannical god.

No other prophet of the Bible God used violence to carry out God's instructions, they used word of mouth only, just as Jesus did.

Mohammed claimed to be a prophet in line with all previous prophets, but Mohammed did not use the same method as previous prophets to preach his message, he disobeyed the very God he claimed to represent, by using methods which would be harmful towards humanity, he used war as his opus operandi.

Any man calling himself a prophet of the Bible God must obey the commands of this God, but Mohammed disobeyed them, which means he worked for Satan who is in opposition to Yahweh,the Bible God,and Satan as the Bible tells us, is the author of lies and deception, who hates humanity and wants his entire destruction.

[sum]

Hello Mughal

You write a lot but never answer the question. I have asked a very simple question -


Your reply to my post does not make sense. If Muhammad did the best that he could but made some mistakes why did Allah not point this out in the Koran so that Muhammad and the muslims would not make the same mistake again?

The only mild rebuke that Allah made that I am aware of is to tell Muhammad that he should continue his lustful pursuit of his adopted son`s wife. The Koran claims that Muhammad should follow the advice of Allah and not the disapproval of the people in lusting after his adopted son`s wife. Where are the other criticisms of Muhammad when he erred?

If the Koran has no more criticisms then Muhammad`s words and deeds will have met with Allah`s approval.

Do you really think that Muhammad did not fully understand the words of Allah and follow them out with Allah`s approval? Where is Allah`s criticism and advice on how to act as Allah wanted him to?

Will you please answer what is asked and please do not mention the "deen" of Islam - it is becoming tiring reading about the "deen".

sum

[Fernando]

Perhaps what Mughal is hinting at - and it would make a lot of sense - is this. Mo's errors were not directly in his deeds, because these merely followed on from errors in his recitations. Errors which had to be corrected by Allah's numerous abrogations.

[skynightblaze]

Will you please answer what is asked and please do not mention the "deen" of Islam - it is becoming tiring reading about the "deen".

[manfred]

Sum, here is some DEEN home cooking specially for you....

[sum]

Please ask Paula to do a home delivery for me but not if the rfood will be too cold when it reaches me.

sum

[Fernando]

Please ask Paula to do a home delivery for me but not if the rfood will be too cold when it reaches me.

sum

It's ok sum, she'll re-heat it, with butter, for three hours.

[Mughal]

Dear manfred, have you or anyone else you know has found any better guidance than the one I see in the quran? If yes, please share.

regards and all the best.

Are you serious? Of all the systems of ethics ever proposed Islam is by a very large margin the worst.

Please google "civilisation" and you find many examples of better guidance. Islam is the diametric opposite of the values we found and established in the West. It is anti-freedom, anti-equality and anti-human. It is oppressive and cruel, and worst of all it is self-serving: "rules" can be ignored to further the "cause" of Islam. It sanctions the beating of women, the killing of unbelievers or homosexuals, slavery, bodily mutilation as a punishment and much more. You have to be mad to suggest this is guiding anyone. It is turning people into the monstrous creatures who join ISIS.

But of course you know that which is why you have chosen not to live in a place where this "guidance" is implemented.

Dear manfred, if you have no idea what deen of islam is then how can you say any other system is better than deen of islam? As I explained already deen of islam is based upon the teachings of the quran and it is a way of life that can lead mankind to unity, peace, progress and prosperity if it is understood properly and followed faithfully by mankind.

The first problem is understanding the quran properly and then the second problem is following it faithfully.

The question for us to consider is, how do we overcome the first hurdle before we get to the second one? A human being is born not knowing anything at all and the quran is supposed to be a scripture sent by God. How the twin can meet or complement each other?

Let me put it in another way. Forget about the quran instead look at the problem in another way. We have a world in which we are born and we know for sure that we are born knowing nothing at all as babies. Under this situation tell me how can God communicate his thoughts to mankind if you think the quran is not the way a message of God should be but why? Could your sort of idea about the way a book of God should be any better than the book that I think is from God because I studied it in detail. It is result of that study that my questions are not easy for people to answer.

The language problem between God and man how can it be solved as things are? I challenge all of you people here on faithfreedom.org to come up with an answer that you think will work better than it works for the quran. Once you people settle this question things will start making real sense otherwise you make no sense and you are talking for sake of talking. It is time explanations came from you people rather than your baseless criticism of the quran due to your ignorance about the message of the quran

As far as I can think God could not have communicated his message for mankind as things are any better than what we find in the quran. If anyone thinks that he could have then one has to explain how and could that work any better than the quran for mankind? This is the real issue people need to overcome if they are interested in talking about revelation of God. If we do not solve this problem then our saying that existence of God is a real possibility is neither here nor there but a nonsense because it become a logically inconsistence claim within itself. It is because if we say there may be a God then how can God communicate with us? If God comes down as a human being as hindus and christians etc claim he did and then goes back to being God as he was? Could he communicate with people effectively according to your requirements or set standard? It is a very important point to realise because no matter when God comes down in human form he will have to use already existing human language to communicate his thoughts which will limit him to that point in time. What will people make of what he will have told them after he is gone like jesus did according to christians?

I have solved the problem of communication between God and man. This is my major contribution for humanity to think about and benefit from. If people do not want to do so then don't blame God but humanity itself that is not interested in knowing things as they should be known regarding God and his explanations of things for his purpose of his creation.

regards and all the best.

[sum]

Hello Mughal

There is one matter that you avoid like the plague and that is the role of Muhammad in Islam.

Should the words and deeds of Muhammad have any part to play in Islam?

sum

[Mughal]

Dear pr126, when did you make any real effort to undertake proper study of the quran? If you did please share what you found out and how did you go about studying the quran. I have been studying the quran and I am sharing how I went about it and what are the problems that I came across which I had to overcome. I am sharing the result of my study of the quran. I have not come across anyone who has studied the quran as I have other than a few muslim scholars who have passed away. Knowledge speaks for itself my friend.

Out of the 1.5 billion Muslims how many have studied the Quran the way you did ? (provided that they can even read it).
How is your version agrees with sharia? If it does not - which must be the case, - can sharia be dumped?

Dear pr126, that is exactly my point that instead of you listening to people who have a bit of knowledge about the quran why should you listen to ignorant people about it and not study the quran yourself to see what exactly it says? For the very same reason shariah by mullahs is not shariah of God because mullahs have no idea what is actually written in the quran. If they did people who say they are muslims will not be in the state of existence they are. They will have been leading the world not lagging behind it like fools.

have you or anyone else you know has found any better guidance than the one I see in the quran?

The way you see the Quran is not necessarily the same other Muslims see.

True but I am giving my reason for seeing the quran the way I see it which are logically consistent within themselves but others cannot. If they have please show.

You are determined to save Islam from itself. I do not think for a moment that this will work. Or it is worth saving.

That shows limits of your thoughts not mine. I am not out to save islam but humanity from itself. It is hell bent upon its self destruction when it can have a life worth living. I am only showing how it is possible for it to do so.

God is God of all of us if there is one and if he had to send a message it had to be in one of human languages and to one of the people that most suited his purpose. Just because arabs were given the final message in arabic does not make it foreign for the rest of the human world. After all human family is a single family as far as God is concerned and the way nature itself proves it by making us totally dependent upon each other right from the day of our birth. If people do not learn sense or refuse to do so from each other then that is not fault of God either.

The whole point is that message of God is very beneficial for mankind themselves to benefit from and that is why they should learn it properly and follow it faithfully. However if people choose to confuse each other and want to keep hurting and killing each other that is their own choice which has nothing to do with God because God is telling them not to do so and sensible people and enjoy life together as a proper human community..

regards and all the best.

[Centaur]

Mughal unless you can prove that Mohammed and his companions have a different understanding of quran you are trolling

[Mughal]

Mughal: The hadiths quotes are given the classification as Sahih by your own people, which means that Muslims can emulate their prophets example with confidence, knowing that their scholars have done the work before them, classifying the reports of Mohamed's ways and example as "sound" and reliable.

Dear frankie, it is not enough for a person to say some quote is authentic but that quote must prove consistency with message of God which is more authentic because it is and was widely known to people always in comparison to any other words by anyone else. Moreover texts need to be properly interpreted before they could be used for or against. Since people have not managed to interpret the text of the quran properly how can I accept they interpreted the texts in the hadees books? This is why till someone like me interprets them properly they are useless. Yet other problem in this regard is that there are claims that they have been manipulated as well by rulers of the time so that makes it absolutely necessary that they are properly scrutinised as well before they are taken as authentic messages to be acted upon.

And so your answer does not make any sense to those who put their trust in these reports, and have done so for centuries.

There way of authenticating reports does not make sense to me. I am not rejecting their isnaad as far as they make sense anything beyond that is editing or pure falsehood which all people of knowledge should reject not just me.

Do you think Allah would allow his scholars to be in error when reporting the ways and example of his "perfect example for mankind, "which in turn would make anyone who read these alleged erroneous reports and put them into action, disobey Allah?

I do not just think but accept that human error are possible even in the copies of text of the quran however such human errors are natural and do not cause any problems. The problems are caused by deliberate changes people make for misleading readers. Such error can be caught by scrutinising a text carefully. Messengers of Allah were such people whom Allah chose out of his knowledge because he knew they will be able to deliver his message as it ought to be delivered. This is why there are no problems with actual text of the quran as I already explained in detail in my other posts. The deliberate editing or additions or omissions in hadis reports can be caught easily because they will contradict framework of deen of islam as clearly explained in the text of the quran. This is why people need to stop believing every nonsense in the name of deen of islam and instead they need to start working on these texts as I have explained and things will soon become clear.

If Mohammed is given to be mankind's role model for all time, then the sahih hadiths quoted show Mohammed to be a very poor role model, as his actions prove him to be a tyrant, which then follows, the god that gave him his instructions to act this way must be a tyrannical god.

As I explained to you earlier the quran does not make any man a standard to be followed independent of guidance of God in a matter one undertakes. On that basis all messengers of God and their faithful followers were and are an excellent example of following the guidance of God. In the quranic context righteous people are those who ensure delivery of God given rights to mankind by organising and regulating themselves into an ummah. In doing so people of God will have to take things of those who have wrongfully taken away things of those who had them rightfully. You can ask people nicely but if they do not comply then force has to be used appropriately to do the job. I explained that in detail in my posts already. After all why do we need standing armies and police if we just need to sit and let people think and do as they please in order to harm or destroy humanity? That in itself proves there is nothing wrong in use of force provided the end is ensuring well being of mankind. The quran does not tell us anywhere that anyone is a role model unless one follows the God given guidance. If there is any verse in the quran of this kind please share. The quran tells us Abraham is an example just like Muhammad using exactly the same words but then it also tells us Abraham was made an example only because he followed guidance of God. When Abraham asked God for his offspring to be made leaders also for guiding the ummah, God replied they cannot be leaders if they go off the right track. A clear proof that only those people can be people of God who follow his guidance.

As for God being a tyrant because Muhammad was, is not the right way to think because God is God and can never be a tyrant. If God cannot be a tyrant because he is a knowledge able wise being then how could any of his messengers be? This is the right way to think. Since muhammad is his messenger so he could not have done things people attribute to him out of their proper context. The real question is why did people misinterpret and misrepresent the quran and attribute falsehood to Muhammad? They must have had some advantage in doing so. I have explained how rulers, money lenders and mullahs are one and the same thing behind the curtains.

I have explained clearly in great detail why there has come about corruption in the world as well as how to end it. However till people become educated enough to understand what I have explained it is not possible to get rid of corruption from this world.

The main thing mankind need to become aware of is, only and only deen of islam can help mankind become corruption free. Unfortunately most people in the world are ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unskilled for reasoning out things properly and the reason is because that is the way human beings are born but only some of them make effort to survive the rest simply are gotten rid of by nature because they live as a useless people ie they do not have or fail to develop what it takes to survive in this world.

Those who survive even most of them do not bother to be something one day rather they just live their lives aimlessly and the reason for that is they do not want to go beyond their comfort zone in which they feel secure. This inhibiting hesitation needs to be overcome by them which they cannot without someone or something forcing it upon them.

Those who want to be something one day they only learn things that make them what they want to be and that is it so they too do not go beyond the target they set for themselves.

It is very important to realise there are only two ways people can live in this world a)being driven by their psychological drives and their sets of circumstances and b)by planning ahead.

Most people survive at the mercy of nature so they only get up when they get kicked on their back sides otherwise they are not bothered to do anything at all for sake of their own betterment. This is why you will have seen people who were getting what they needed to survive through others they did not bother to do anything because they did not see the need for doing so. If anything they looked for ways of passing their time.

This was very much obvious in houses where one person went abroad to earn a living and the rest of the family lived on it. Their families did not make much effort to better themselves in education because they saw education as a way to get a job to earn a living which they were already getting. Not only that if a child went to school and learned whatever he could he did not bother to try and educate the rest of his family or people and those who tried they got a negative response from those whom they tried to help.

In short most people never saw any value in education itself they always tied it to the idea of making a living. So this is the mindset of most human beings therefore their wrong attitude towards education and life and living and that is why such people end up with the behaviour they show towards education. This is the reason communism based way of life failed because people could not back it up with equally powerful ideology in order to convince people to live a worthy or purposeful life.

In order to combat this mindset an idea for giving people some incentives was developed so that people who wished for a better life could work for it and that is the basis for capitalism. However when capitalism put people on the track to success it too failed to work because then people developed a mindset that if I work then what I get is mine because I worked for it.

Not only that when life became hard for those who missed the boat or were left behind they began to react against capitalism and its promoters and beneficiaries.

Since communism wants community based system and capitalism wants money based system they both ended up fighting each other and that fight has not ended yet and it can never end for so long as there are people who are rich and there are people who are poor. So long as humanity remains divided this way it cannot have peace. It is because rich do not let poor live in peace and poor also have no choice but to react and make life hell for the rich also as much as they can.

This is why rich people or capitalists brought in religion to try to create a safety valve in order to try to release excessive pressure that builds up in a human population. By way of religion rich people give a token help for useless people of society in order to keep them at bay to remain safe from their wrath. This is why religion is ritualism and minimum alms for the poor the rest is for the rich and wealthy to enjoy. This is why communists called religion opium of the masses.

If you could understand the link between communism and capitalism and religion you will realise why communists are against religion and why capitalists support religion. It is because communists see religion as a problem created for them by capitalists while capitalists know if they do not support religion then poor people of the world will tear them apart in no time for their abuses of poor people throughout the world.

One should therefore be able to see none of these can work on its own because they are brought about for all the wrong reasons. If humanity will continue living in confusion about them then it will remain in the same situation for as long as they do not bring about something different that works better than them all on its own and that is where in comes deen of islam.

What is deen of islam and why it is what it is or how it can be implemented etc etc, is all explained in detail in my writings here and there as well as on the jangforum.net in discover islam section to which I have already given links.

This will explain to anyone why mulim mullahs are funded by jews, christians and hindus etc and why muslims are allowed to build mosques etc so that thereby muslims could be kept confused through mullahs and for so long as muslims are kept confused the message of the quran can remain out of reach of mankind so the rich and wealthy are secure because there is not going to be any popular uprising against them throughout the world due injustices and cruelty that people are inflicting upon each other. It is because deen of islam is the only way of life that makes perfect sense as I have explained it in detail.

No other prophet of the Bible God used violence to carry out God's instructions, they used word of mouth only, just as Jesus did.

Mohammed claimed to be a prophet in line with all previous prophets, but Mohammed did not use the same method as previous prophets to preach his message, he disobeyed the very God he claimed to represent, by using methods which would be harmful towards humanity, he used war as his opus operandi.

Any man calling himself a prophet of the Bible God must obey the commands of this God, but Mohammed disobeyed them, which means he worked for Satan who is in opposition to Yahweh,the Bible God,and Satan as the Bible tells us, is the author of lies and deception, who hates humanity and wants his entire destruction.

Your problem is not quotations but lack of interest in finding out the truth by studying things properly. It takes years to try to know anything at all because humans are born ignorant as babies and that makes them take time in knowing things properly even if they decide to know them by finding out things. This is why I cannot answer your query till I have the time to explain things as I understand them in other works in their proper contexts. If I am able to explain the quranic text why I cannot do the same for hadees books when it comes to that but life is short so it will help people if they too try their best to make sense of things for themselves. This is why I explained the way to do things so that people do not depend on me or others in this regard. All one has to do is be honest to oneself and be determined to learn things properly. One can only do so much and if one does things as one should then God will be well pleased with a person and it matters not what one claims to be in one's arrogance based ignorance. God calls such people worst than animals even though they claim to be human beings who deliberately go off the track for their vested interest ignoring proper study of the message of God out of their arrogance and haughtiness.

You need to realise that basis for deen of islam is very different from Christianity or Hinduism etc. There is no concept of original sin in deen of islam or its atonement. Not only that in deen of islam it is people who are suppose to run this world not God. God is only suppose to guide mankind how to run it that is why the quran is the way it is. This is why a muslim is not suppose to wait for supernatural intervention of God like chrisitians to put things right miraculously when they go wrong. This is why muslims who have taken their beliefs from christians are as confused as christians. Hindus also have similar beliefs that when things go wrong God incarnates in some form and comes to earth and sorts things out and then his incarnation ends in some way. The reason for such beliefs coming into muslims is very simple ie the people who turned muslims throughout the world already had a background so many of them brought their make beliefs and useless rituals with them which became part of muslim ummah and that is how deen of islam was turned into a mazhab when those who had proper knowledge of the quran gradually decreased in their number in the ummah after the death of the prophet when ummah became swamped by foreigners whose hosts could not educate them to proper deen of islam.

This is why you will see mullahs preaching hinduism or christianity etc in the name of islam. Muslims believe a lot more nonsense about jesus than chrisians and lot more hinduism than hindus. Look at people who expect second coming of jesus or imaam mahdi etc. Look at people who claim to be muslim yet worship graves. All this is done by muslims in the name of deen of islam because they do not know the quran and the mullahs are ignorant about the message in the quran. If anything they try to justify all sorts of make beliefs in the name of the quran and deen of islam. When I challenge such people I get no answers to my questions from any mullahs or any mullah follower.

If you have read my posts I have explained in detail what pillars of deen of islam are all about. Not what mullahs claim them to mean. Deen of islam is basically about building a proper human community called ummah in the kingdom of God ie the universe. Once people learn how to be an ummah and become an ummah then all will be fine as God has promised and we are promised very clearly in the quran that ummah will come about regardless how hard the opponents of this idea try to oppose or stop it from coming about. It is people who will bring it about using guidance of God not God. If it was up to God to bring about an ummah he will have done it in no time but that was not his plan nor his purpose for creation of this universe and things and people in it.

regards and all the best.