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Re: Is Allah the worst communicator ever?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:58 am
by manfred
Mughal the best description (in my view) of "hell" is the one provided by the orthodox churches.

I call it the Cannabis hypothisis.

Many people have tried cannabis. Some really like it, and others find it revolting at get sick even at the the smell of it.

Heaven and hell is like that. Some people rejoice in the presence of God and they are in "heaven". Others, also having the same experience, the presence of God, are totally turned off and therefore are in "hell".

Heaven and ell are mindsets. Another way to describe the same idea is to look at how people behave to each other. Some create a hell for themselves and others, while some also make the world a better place.

A man who thinks he is "entitled" to receive everything he wants from the world will in the end become lonely and bitter. A man who wants to give all he can to the world will make many friends and will lead a happy and fulfilled life.

My own father spent his last years a very bitter old man. He refused to make any friends with the people in the care home he was in because he said everybody was "either mad or stupid". At the same time complained he was lonely, with some 50 people all round him every day. Others in that home pitied him, but they would not allow him to disrupt their social activities and fun. At first many tried to make him join, staff and residents, but in the end they gave up.

His last few years were a living hell, for him. But he was the one who decided to live in it.

Re: Is Allah the worst communicator ever?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:35 pm
by Mughal
manfred wrote:Mughal the best description (in my view) of "hell" is the one provided by the orthodox churches.

I call it the Cannabis hypothisis.

Many people have tried cannabis. Some really like it, and others find it revolting at get sick even at the the smell of it.

Heaven and hell is like that. Some people rejoice in the presence of God and they are in "heaven". Others, also having the same experience, the presence of God, are totally turned off and therefore are in "hell".

Heaven and ell are mindsets. Another way to describe the same idea is to look at how people behave to each other. Some create a hell for themselves and others, while some also make the world a better place.

A man who thinks he is "entitled" to receive everything he wants from the world will in the end become lonely and bitter. A man who wants to give all he can to the world will make many friends and will lead a happy and fulfilled life.

My own father spent his last years a very bitter old man. He refused to make any friends with the people in the care home he was in because he said everybody was "either mad or stupid". At the same time complained he was lonely, with some 50 people all round him every day. Others in that home pitied him, but they would not allow him to disrupt their social activities and fun. At first many tried to make him join, staff and residents, but in the end they gave up.

His last few years were a living hell, for him. But he was the one who decided to live in it.


Dear manfred, in my view heaven and hell are real because we human beings are real. We are mind and body or mental and physical or psychological as well as biological creatures.

You see if we torture body of a person he gets upset in his mind and if we give a person mental torture we can also see effects of that on his body. In other words our inside environment or atmosphere is effected by our outside environment or atmosphere and our outside environment or atmosphere is effected by our inside environment or atmosphere. This is why we must learn to get on with each other by ensuring well being of each other and that way make our lives a paradise otherwise we can only and make lives of each other hell by fighting against each other for our personal gains at each other's expense.

So what we make of this world is up to ourselves and to help people realise this we need to create an education based environment where in people with vested interests against humanity cannot affect us in a negative way. This is why we should always oppose all steps by any people who wish to turn back the clock to push humanity back into dark ages of ignorance.

regards and all the best.

Re: Is Allah the worst communicator ever?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:55 pm
by manfred
Dear manfred, in my view heaven and hell are real because we human beings are real.


Please look at this statement, Mughal. Look at the word "because". Does it fit?

Suppose someone said hippos exist BECAUSE horses exist.

Does the existence of horses have any bearing on the existence of hippos? If there were no horses it would be impossible for there to be hippos?

I have no problem with your statement at all until you said "because...". Then the whole thing looks wrong.