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Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the quran

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:23 pm
by Mughal
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Surah 2 AL-BAQARAH- The plots or conspiracies, tricks or mechanisms used by rulers, mullahs, money lenders, their touts and supporters to cause divisions or dissensions, rifts or conflicts, hatred and wars between mankind and the ways to remove them for unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind

This surah is named AL-BAQARAH from root BAA, QAAF and RAA. Concrete meaning of this root is to tear something apart in some sense for some reason. Also to rip apart something in some sense to expose its contents, to search extensively, to carry out research work, to explore extensively, to try to discover or uncover something in some sense, to bring situation under control, to find and solve problems, lion or bull, an animal domesticated for use eg cow, scholarship, dissention, separation, division, conflict, corruption, sacred cow, make beliefs, division of power between monarchy and priesthood on basis of land and religion, something held sacred or as if sacred, something beyond question or criticism, division of power between rulers and priests on basis of state and religion, division of power between political elite and religious elite and capitalist elite on basis of economics and religion and secularism, division between people on basis of religion and secularism and capitalism, to travel around, to split or split up, to gash, to plough, to enlarge, to stretch or expand, to cause trouble or mischief, to be strong or powerful, to shelter or shield or protect or secure, to cause instability or chaos or confusion or anarchy or panic, to cause to fall in identity crisis, to destabilise, to upset things, to turn things upside down, to be energetic or lively or active, to jump about, to hang onto something in some sense for some reason, to plot or scheme or conspire, to spread rumours, to slander, to backbite, to spread gossip, command and control centre, ruling elite, top part or section of something, chief or head of a tribe or people, leadership, to provide with refuge or shelter, to take into care, to guard or look after, to think or reflect or ponder, constitution, rule of law, tradition, custom, family or following or support etc etc.

The Quran does not name its surahs randomly by choosing a word from the surah itself as told by mullahs rather the surah title is intended to convey the message related to the heading from within the surah contents. As can be seen in surah 1, the name was AL FAATIHAH and this word does not occur in surah alfaatihah, however the concept behind this title is to convey a few things a)the opening or starting of the message of Allah, b)that it is a proclamation ie an open declaration from God through His messenger to the mankind and c)it is to convey overall picture or context of the message of the Quran etc etc. Likewise here the chosen word is AL-BAQARAH and it is turned into definite article with AL=the. So the concepts this title conveys are related to divisions, rifts, hatred and wars between people and reasons behind them as well as the way to resolve these conflicts.

The Quran shows two fundamental categories of people from which the rest of divisions come about or arise a)people who want to live on basis of guidance of Allah according to his advised way of life as a proper human community that is caring and sharing because they live for ensuring well being of each other and b)people who want to live as they wish on the basis of personal gains at the expense of each other or at the expense of community life based upon community spirit. What is the difference between the two ways of life for people? The difference is that in case of people based upon guidance of Allah there is no master slave relationship between people because DEEN from Allah is Islam which is all about brotherhood of mankind therefore there is no concept of rule of a human being over another human being and there is no mechanism in there for using each other abusively in order to exploit each other for personal gains at each other’s expense, so there is no business for profit concept within the proper human community at the expense of each other. It is because brotherhood is all about people dealing with each other on basis of love and compassion as a single human family caring for each other and sharing everything with each other fully instead of dealing with each other on basis of business for profit or personal gains at the expense of each other, which leads to terrible conflicts in all kinds of relationships because in that case profit comes before well being of people therefore each person is for himself ie the idea of survival of the fittest or laws of jungle. Since people can only live by laws made by themselves or by laws based upon revelation of Allah and some people choose one way of living and the other another therefore arise divisions and conflicts between them. It should therefore be clear which group of people can be or is trouble maker and why. Not only that but people who choose to live by self made laws on basis of personal gains at the expense of each other and therefore at the expense of community based life end up with rivalries, animosities, hatred and wars among themselves due to vested personal interest based conflicts. This is why we see the whole world is plunged into conflicts and wars by choice of such people. Despite all this being very clear these people remain ignorant due to their arrogance due to which they give no importance to revelation of Allah and for all sorts of conflict which are started by them for obvious reasons they blame them on those who invite all towards way of life advised by Allah. In addition to that they employ people and mechanisms in order to try to confuse those to whom they can reach about deen of Allah so that they too join them and no one pays any worthwhile attention to deen of Islam. The result of that is becoming very much obvious to the human world in shape of their death and destruction throughout the world. All this in the name of way of life invented and promoted by a few dominant people and accepted by masses who are living like creatures without brains because on one hand they accept abusive use of themselves for personal gains by accepting that way of life and then on the other hand they complain about it saying, look what is happening to us ie we are being used abusively as if we are not human beings at all or are animals.

Since each party has to justify its way of life to itself and its supporters otherwise they will not get the needed support therefore one party tries to explain the truth to people while the other uses tricks and mechanisms to make fool of people at large or masses. Divisions are caused by people who are dominant in society in order to secure their dominant positions and statuses in the society by trying their best to undermine their opposition hence the need for a strong propaganda machine for them for pushing their agenda to make it successful. This explains why people who try to gain personally talk so much nonsense against the other party and even against each other due to conflicts of interests between themselves. The question is, what they want to gain for themselves out of creating so many conflicts among human beings using various tricks and mechanisms? They want to gain power if possible to rule others ie they want to become masters of others by trying to turn them into their slaves. Since people are people and have brains therefore if they let others know their intentions then they will fight back because no one wants to be slave of anyone else willingly therefore they invent tricks and mechanisms to try and get people under their control that way. There are only three possible ways people can enslave each other a)by strength of their arms b)by making fool of them and c)by giving them incentives. Since no person is strong enough to fight all human beings in the world to beat them into submission therefore there has to be some other way or mechanism for such people to make other people accept their slavery willingly. On this basis these people form alliances ie if you accept me as your king then I will give you some rank in my group eg make you my army general or give you control of a piece of land or give you some wealth to have others work for you etc etc.

The only opposition against these people comes from guidance sent by Allah for mankind and the people who support that guidance because those people cannot be intimidated, fooled or bought through incentives and bribes etc. The question arises, how can these people overcome the missionaries of Allah? It is very easy because mankind are born ignorant and to keep them ignorant, illiterate and uneducated has ample benefits ie they can be fooled easily therefore can be conditioned for abusive use easily. It is like the case of a baby. You just put him in a baby cart and he does not know how to get out of it because he has not yet learned how to do that. So when rulers, mullahs and money lenders use tricks and mechanisms to trap simple minded people they cannot see how to get out of that trap. The task of missionaries of Allah is very, very hard indeed because before they could convince anyone to be on their side they need to spend a lot of time and energy in trying to educate them. Education involves three stages a)help people become self aware b)help people become aware about other things and people and c)help them realise the fact that there is more to life than meets the eyes. Simple minded people are not self aware to higher degree nor are they that widely and deeply aware of real world realities so they hardly have much sense about Allah and his guidance. This is enough problematic as it is but on top of that rulers, mullahs and money lenders brainwash and indoctrinate such people to condition them into people that suit their purpose of exploitation. One of their purposes is to make sure these are enemies of messengers and messages of Allah in the name of Allah and his chosen people so they redefine those ideas and use them to program these people. The effect of this programming is that these simple minded people do harmful and destructive things in the name of Allah thinking they are doing good so Allah will be very much pleased with them. So one can see how many layers of problems these people become buried under and therefore how difficult job it becomes for a messenger from Allah to help and get these people out of all these troubling mindsets, attitudes and behaviours in order to get them free from all kinds of bondages or slavery.

The main problem is division of power between various kinds of leaderships and followings as opposed to Islamic way of life based upon concept of a proper human community. The main divisions are power that chiefs, kings, emperors or rulers or ruling elite hold over masses, the priestly class whom the emperors install and who install them when priestly class takes over kings and money lenders or money changers or people who use wealth for controlling others for personal gains etc through setting up buying and selling mechanisms for people and goods or services. So people cause conflicts among themselves on basis of rulership in the name of country, God or wealth etc. In short the causes of conflicts are land and resources, means of production and distribution because people mishandle each other and mismanage resources. Some take undue advantage of others so the Quran in this surah explains things to people in order to educate them as to what is going on and what they should be doing and how they should do it so that mankind could have united, peaceful, progressive, prosperous and secure existence. It is because Allah has created mankind for complementing each other and not for abusing and destroying each other through advantages they have been given over each other. This is why there is need for proper use of brains, senses and bodies by people to achieve that. This is why no one is free to do as they please for themselves because it inflicts harms and destructions upon others in human population. This is why all must live by rule of law advised by their creator.

The Quran is free of offering people any miraculous or magical solutions instead it educates people to enable them to solve their own worldly problems using that wisdom as explained in detail already. This is why the Quran is not to be misinterpreted and misrepresented as a religious holy book for pooja paat sort of worship and concepts of miracles or magic which religions use to exploit masses. It is instead a guide for creating a manifesto, a constitution and a set of laws for unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind. It is for learning and teaching sense that enables people to handle things sensibly not miraculously and magically which make no sense. They just confuse people as they usually do. God wants to lead people out of the darkness of ignorance into the light of knowledge ie information and its proper understanding because that is what knowledge is. Knowledge makes things clear to minds of people just as light makes things obvious as to what they are or where they are etc etc. This will become more and more obvious as we read the arguments the Quran raises to confront people who try to fool each other with their make beliefs and tricks. Each time a people asked for miracles, messengers of Allah told them there is no miracle but revelation to prove what is true and beneficial for mankind. In this fight between truth and falsehood, right and wrong it is not miracles or magic that can decide the issue but the relevant information and its proper understanding that can prove the truth true and falsehood false logically consistently and purposefully. So the Quran is a proof from God for mankind to accept and follow and see the results of their own thoughts and actions based upon it as proof of truth of its program or message. In other words the Quran puts before people some concepts for their benefits and tells people to try them and see if they work or not. If they work then they will prove the Quran is message from God for mankind but if they do not then that will prove the Quran false. Rationally a non-permanent being cannot be the original creator as explained already in detail because then each creator will need a creator itself and that will lead to an unending chain of creators of creators which does not stand to reason due to lack of consistency. It is because if each creator needs a creator itself then if a creator of creator has not come about then how can the creation that is supposed to be created by it? So only a creator that existed always could bring about creation and not a creator that itself need a creator to create it..

Tricks are used by those who make false claims that cannot be proven logically consistent on basis of related evidences. So those who claim supernatural powers are liars as far as the Quran is concerned. It is because Allah did not give anyone any supernatural power because it could serve no purpose whatsoever in his scheme of things as we will see when we go through the Quran more and more. The world is set up to work the way God explains it because he is the one who set it up for his own purpose. There are only two supernatural events a) the existence of the universe and b) the existence of the revelation. Other than that all natural world events are becoming explainable by study of nature as mankind advance in their knowledge due to hard work of those who study things in detail as time marches on.

The words used in the Quranic text have conceptual and contextual concrete meanings and not what people attribute to them because if scrutinised people cannot justify those meaning that they give to certain words. For example, take word jinn, how did people come to know there are such and such invisible beings if they were never able to see them in the first place? The existence of God is a different matter because that is provable through existence of universe and revelation that cannot be refuted but existence of things like invisible good and bad living beings that people are unable to detect with their own senses or any scientific instrument how did they come to know about them in the first place to interpret the words of God that way? This is how it shows up that people have been making up words and concepts that have nothing at all to do with universal realities and reason. People who have attached nonsense meanings to words only did so to confuse each other either deliberately to gain something out of it or due to their own ignorance about things that is all.

The messengers of Allah therefore did not come with miracles because they came to educate people and you cannot educate people with miracles or by putting up magic shows. The reason people asked for miracles is because the rulers and priests etc put them up to it so that by making nonsense demands on messengers of Allah they could keep them from learning any sense from them because if they learned sense then they will become aware of what is happening to them and why or who is making this to happen to them and how. This is why people even today run to holy men with magical powers for the solutions of their worldly problems instead of learning how to analyze problems and find their solutions. They do not realise that these holy men and women have been put in place by the establishments because this way masses do not question the people in-charge over their livelihood. It is the best trick because it is still successfully used on ignorant people. If this thing was not in place then when people had any problems they ought to blame the rulers and could force them to solve their problems and humanity could have moved forward but such things hold mankind back from progress towards prosperity. So one can see how useful tool it is for ruling classes to use concept of miracles and magic, demons and angels or holy men etc to keep the masses confused and in chaos. By diverting attention of masses from real issues towards nonsense issues, it gives rulers freedom to carry on with idea of divide and rule and use people abusively.

Masses do not realise that if these so called supernatural beings or powers were so much at work, the world in which we live we ought to see so many things happening supernaturally all around us every day without any physical cause but we do not see such things happening at all. Each time we try to find any cause behind an event it eventually turns up after a lot of hard work. Moreover humanity would have made discoveries that it has made now so many years back in time if people had all these powers which ignorant people attribute to some tricksters. Science will mean nothing at all because supernatural beings in human control and magic power in their hands could have worked wonders very long ago. So much spending on spying and weapons would not be of any use because supernatural beings and people with supernatural powers will be far ahead of everyone else in the world. A lot of things about the earth and solar system and rest of universe we have come to know now will have been known to us already long time ago and in much more detail. Since there is so much animosity between individuals and nations, if people had access to such powers then why will they need armies and weapons and people to spy on each other? Why they did not use jinns and magic to steal swords and spears of one people and handed them over to the others and why they will use spears and swords instead of supernatural weaponry to fight each other? Perhaps people need to think a bit instead of running after tricksters for miraculous and magical solutions of their problems. It shows people are not only stupid but lazy and crazy as well who think they should be handed everything in the plate like a cake without they actually needing to work for it. One has to ask, what is difference between these people and those who use and abuse them? If a person has a headache, his relatives and friends suggest to him people who know some holy words and when they recite these holy words and blow or spit on the person with headache then one feels one is cured of headache, however, if one has an accident and his limbs are lying on the other side of the road, no one suggests to him let us go to so and so holy man or magic man because everyone knows magic man or holy man has no solution for this problem which exposes the truth very clearly that all this hype about power of magic and holy man is just hoax. That is how it shows we love making fool of ourselves that is why we love our make beliefs and so we let others make fool of us as well. All such reasons make it very obvious that the Quran is a factual book and does not contain any nonsense that ignorant people attribute to it. This book draws our attention to real issues and problems and educates us to look for real solutions with help of each other. It is a manifesto from Allah for distribution so that those who like this program come together and organise according to the Quran as a constitution from Allah and regulate the community by laws based upon its guidelines for the goal of unity for peaceful, progressive and prosperous existence. This surah is named AL-Baqarah because the human community is weakened by divisions and fights whereby community spirit becomes damaged. In the Quranic context the Quran deals with human community so it talks about what it goes through and why. If it does not follow path of life wisely then it ends up in all sorts of troubles so it is advised to follow path of wisdom and have a reasonably good life. Since people due to lack of wisdom end up divided the Quran shows the road to unity of mankind. In this surah we will see some stories about past human communities and how they fared in their life. How people turned against each other and how they were brought together again and again etc etc.

Proclaim! In the name of Allah, the provider of things for biological, psychological and sociological development and growth of mankind.

1) ALIF LAAM MEEM.

In this verse there are only three letters about which so far I have only one explanation ie that these letter are repeated in this surah but they are used as exact multiples of nineteen ie the same number that is number of letters in the very first verse of the Quran ie bismilla hirrahmaa nirraheem eg baa, seen, meem, alif, laam, laam, haa, alif, laam, raa, haa, meem, noon, alif, laam, raa, haa , yaa ,meem. So if we counted total number of alifs used in this surah we will see they are exact multiple of nineteen. Same will be the case with letters laam and meem. The number of bismillas in the Quran is also multiple of 19 ie 114, and there are total 114 surahs in the Quran. The number of letters in the Arabic alphabet is 28, of which 14 are used in 14 combinations in 29 surahs, which is exact multiple of 19. There were originally 17 shapes in which Arabic alphabet were written. Although there has been a bit of modification in Arabic writing than the original eg there were no dots or diacritical marks in the original Arabic writings. However this does not have much effect on basic writing or reading but it helped people to read the Quran a bit easier who did not know Arabic. The main textual version of the Quran is HAFS version that is said to be proper version and is wide spread though there are other versions as well that are less known with more copying errors in them than hafs but not of the nature that makes any noticeable difference in the actual message. These differences are mainly due to diacritical marks or dots or the way a letter is written due to rules of Arabic language eg a normal TAA may be written in round form which is also pronounced HAA as in word RAHMAH which is also written as RAHMAT etc. Some differences resulted from regional variations of language itself ie not all Arab spoke the language the same way but none of the differences change the basic necessary message of the Quran in any way. People have termed these differences as various ways of reading the Quranic text. The main thing is that HAFS version is the only version that has been spread widely. Only scholars are aware of other versions or people of the area who speak the language and still continue those versions.

These letters tell us that on their own they have no meanings just like numbers on their own have no value. Letters or numbers are mere symbols that stand for concepts and concepts therefore are fundamental units for understanding bigger picture through their combination in a certain way. For example, letters stand for variations in sounds and when those sounds are uttered in a particular way they end up as words and phrases and sentences etc. This is what we call human speech or language. Just like letters stand for sounds so words stand for certain given conceptual meanings. Complex communication is not possible without a set of words with understood conceptual meanings for a community of people. This is why knowing some basic facts about language is of vital importance eg its origin, its development or use etc etc. The Quran cannot be understood just by reading words and looking up for meanings of words in dictionaries. It is because the Quran originates from God but it is for people who are born without knowing much and they cannot know much unless they make real good effort to learn things. Since what people have yet to learn they cannot give it proper meanings till they reach that stage in their learning therefore understanding of the Quran is not an easy task just like knowing the meanings of these letters. Dictionaries can help but they are never up to date because the knowledge has no end in sight and if knowledge keeps on increasing with time then dictionaries will keep on changing for various reasons related to progress with time and changes that take place. So all ways of learning in comparison to Quran are as if a child is learning about disciplines that have been established by adults, so it takes time for a child to reach the stage whereat things explained by adults start making sense to him ie he will reach there in his own time in his own way. In other words if you give a street map to a person who cannot make sense of it then it is useless for him. So a person has to learn all necessary things needed for understanding the Quran before one is able to make proper sense of the Quran.

This is why words in the Quran need to be understood as concepts and then how those concepts work out in relation to each other needs to be worked out. This is why simple translations of Quran-like text are useless because they cannot convey the message of the Quran which is main purpose of its revelation. This is why it involves a lot of effort by way of trial and error. This should explain why all translations of the Quran as a simple text are mostly wrong. The other reason why translations of the Quran are mostly wrong is because they are based upon translators own make beliefs. This means instead of trying to find message of the Quran from the Quranic text in its own context one is bending the message according to one’s own make beliefs and baseless ideas. This is what makes it more of a message of confused translator instead of the message of God because any such a translation is bound to be full of contradictions of all sorts flaws. If people follow certain rules to ensure their explanations of the Quran are within those accepted rules then it is highly likely that we have understood and conveyed the Quranic message as close to the original as it is humanly possible. No way can people guaranty elimination of human element in the understanding, conveyance and use of the Quranic message. So long as there is no major problem, odd errors should cause no serious harm or concern. It is very important for people to understand that only and only the actual Quranic text is word of God not its translations and interpretations by people regardless how good they may be because they are totally human works which could contain errors here and there even if they have been carried out very, very carefully.

The main thing to remember is that nearly 1500 years ago a man called Muhammad in Makkah, Saudi Arabia proclaimed messengership from God. People at the time confronted him for evidence so he produced the Quran as evidence for the truth of his claim. He said it was testimony of God sent to him by God. It is therefore up to people themselves to study the Quran properly and test it for consistency between its claims and available evidences and explanations. It is very important therefore to treat it as a testimony of God and see if there is anything wrong with it its purpose wise. If what it explains makes sense the way it explains it then the testimony is reliable otherwise not. The Quran is neither a self evident fact nor a scientific theory by a human being so it should not be treated as such. Self evident fact is stronger evidence than testimonial proof but testimonial proof is stronger evidence than a theoretical proof. It is because one good explanation is actual witness based explanation of events or facts but the other is personal opinion about facts where there is no witness to the actual events or facts explained. On the other hand self evident facts as they happen are personally witnessed by the person making the decision about them so other witness and evidence is not needed ie the whole thing is self explanatory for the decision maker. This is why such facts are stronger proof than a testimonial proof. On the other hand theoretical proof is based upon circumstantial evidence and needs construction, deconstruction and reconstruction till it makes proper sense to mind otherwise mind will ignore it if it can or it will be found very troublesome for mind till this problem is solved otherwise it could destabilised already confused mind yet more, so one could fall victim to identity crises unless one already has. As for the letters in this verse, the way they are used seem to tell us these letters have something to do with proving what is claimed in the verses that follow. How they do that I have no clue so I will leave things at that for the time being. If anyone is interested one can refer to others for explanations of these letters who may have knowledge about them. I am sure one day their meanings will be discovered by someone. Their main purpose seems to me is to tell mankind to know the origin and development of human language and try to understand the message of the Quran on that basis because trying to understand the Quran by using mere words and their meanings limits its meanings to a particular time or use of language by a particular people. Since people of the time of revelation of the Quran did not know what we know today therefore if we limit the Quran to use of language of that time then we cannot take the Quran for word of God because word of God cannot be limited by any human understanding of things of any time because there will always be something that we human beings will not know and therefore we will fail to know the message of Quran properly. It is because word of God is based upon facts and explanations for all times to come since its revelation so people will keep on discovering new things in it all the time just like a baby find something new every day to talk about while growing up and discovering things for himself. Moreover I have already explained the meanings of the alphabet letters so it is up to thinkers to see how these letters can be fitted with the rest of the text of the Quran in this surah. When things click together we will know what they are. For me it is important to try and explain what the rest of the text of the Quran may be telling us rather than try to first solve problem posed by these letters. All I can do for the time being is to say, these letters are proof of the fact that this is such a book in the message of which there is no room for reasonable doubt that it is guidance for those who wish to be consistent with way of life advised by Allah and each other. The question is, who are these people who are looking for guidance from Allah? They are those who become self aware and aware of real world realities which then make them question their origin and purpose etc. This book is useless for those who do not think to become self aware or aware about real world realities because they cannot rise to level of thinking which helps them become aware of importance of revelation of God as already explained. All the provided raw material in this world is useless for those who are not interested in making use of it for ensuring well being of mankind. Likewise those who use raw material for abusing humanity cannot benefit from revelation of Allah because they are overwhelmed by sense of self importance due to which they try to take things under their control as much as they can so that they could use others abusively as much as they can so they have no time to think about higher goals set by Allah for mankind. This is why when people are called to guidance of Allah only sensible people respond to it sensibly. The rest respond just for using guidance of Allah as a tool for their own personal satisfactions. Such self centred people be they religious or secular have their own agendas rather than trying to understand agenda of their creator and sustainer and taking it upon themselves as a mission for the good of mankind. This is why be one a ruler, a money lender or a mullah one cannot get his way for long because that is the way Allah has set up his universe to work to make such people face the consequences of their thoughts and actions against others sooner or later. One has to think about what is the purpose of guidance from God if it only tells people to do as they please instead of telling them the right way to think and do things. People are born ignorant so they need guidance all the time to become a sensible people. This is why guidance has to be about what people cannot know all by themselves or need endless time to come to know it which they do not have. This is why guidance of Allah does not follow thoughts and ideas of people but instead tells them how to think and why.

2) This is that message from Allah in form of a book which contains all necessary information such as a program for a set of goals as well as set of guidelines for a constitution and legislations that can lead people to a life free of instability, regrets and anxiety because in it is proper guidance beyond any reasonable doubt for those who desire to be consistent with it and with each other for their blissful, dignified and secure existence as a proper human community.

Word KITAAB is from root KAAF, TAA and BAA. Concrete meaning of this root is to gather loose things together and tie them up for their preservation. Also written material, layers of material, written letter or record or account or decree or a set amount, army regiment, something prescribed or imposed, a book is called kitaab because loose pages of a writing are collected together and tied in form of a bundle of pages for their preservation, library or a place wherein books are kept for preservation or information, information storage or collection centre, there are pages of written down laws that are put together or the constitution or law or program that must be adhered to, written document, record of knowledge of God about his grand design and purpose, the Quran, revelations of God, books from God, teachings of God, writ of God, verdict or decision of God, ordinance from God, appointed time, prescribed period of time, prescribed punishment, written scrolls, desk, school, place of learning reading and writing, to write or prescribe or mark or etch or engrave or record, to write down a contract, to ordain, to decide, to put letters together, to write down or cause to write down, to predestine, to make obligatory, to make incumbent, to put a ring around something to stop it from getting out of it or from doing something undesirable or unwanted, to stop unwanted pregnancy by taking necessary measures, to sew the mouth of a sack so that things do not escape from it, to tie the mouth of water skin to stop water escaping from it, to put a wall around a house with a gate to stop anyone unwanted coming into the house, to collect ideas or information about something into a written book, palm of hand, to be in grip or in control of, to be tender hearted or kind, coffin, chest, tomb, house, shelter, kingdom etc etc. In the Quranic context the Quran is a set of guidelines or a blueprint for a manifesto and a constitution as well as legislations for people if they wish to live as a proper human community. The use of word AL-KITAAB in Quranic context shows that the Quran was put together by the messenger of Allah in form of a written book by himself and its message was spread by him as far as he could and beyond that with help of his supporters who came to join him along the way. The Quran was put before people as a program from Allah for the goal of bringing people together so that a proper human community could be raised and a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah could established that is founded upon a constitution and legislations based on guidelines provided by Allah in the Quran through an education based revolution. This is the nature of the mission called deen of Islam or way of life advised by Allah.

Word RAIB is from root RAA, YAA and BAA. Concrete meaning of this root is instability. Also to go to and fro, to agitate or be agitated, to cause or be in chaos or confusion, to be infirm or unstable mentally or physically, to wobble or deviate, to oscillate, to doubt or suspect, to cause or cast or show doubt, to be uncertain or unsure about something, to suffer anxiety or worry or calamity, to become depressed, to entertain, to accuse, to alarm, to suffer an accident or misfortune or ill fate or mishap, to be indecisive, to be in an undetermined state of mind, to be suspicious about something, to be guilty, to be dubious, to beguile, to deceive, to cheat, to pretend, to have a reputation that is false, to pretend to be what one is not, to fear, to slander, to spread rumours, to suffer from complexity or multi personalities disorder, to conspire, to plot, to think clearly, to plan ahead, something that has something to do with a command and control centre, top part or section of something, ruling elite, leadership, power, authority, reach, jurisdiction, grip, to have a hand in making something happen, to trick, to have control over, to shelter or hide or protect or shield, to stop, to obstruct, to separate, to cut off, to divide, to provide with refuge or sanctuary, family or following or support or assistance, head or something like head in some sense, hand or something like hand in some sense, house or something like house in some sense, unease in the mind or state of regret or anxiety or confusion and difficulty that comes about when one faces a problem but cannot pin point it and has no solution for it. This leads one to identity crisis due to mental instability because of confusion. When one is not sure about things, one falls in doubts and becomes victim of make beliefs and superstition and therefore self confidence disappears. So in the Quranic context freedom from RAIB is a great thing for a person or nation to have. In life people face many problems but if they try to solve them according to ideas given in the Quran, life could become worth living. It is because people have needs and wants and if they fulfilled their needs and wants according to some sort of good set up and rules and regulations then lots of problems could be solved that way but if each person did things as it suited one then conflicts become inevitable and community sense in people can fall apart. After divisions it is then much more difficult to bring people together because they have lots of complaints against each other that become difficult to get rid of. So the best thing for people is not be quick in trying to break off ties or relationships, they are very difficult to rebuild. This is why people must avoid disinformation and misinformation because that could lead to mistrust and distrust and therefore to suspicions and break down of relationships. So we can see why word RAIB is used right at the start of the book.

Word MUTTAQEEN is from root WOW, QAAF and YAA. Concrete meaning of this root is to be consistent with the path that is full of dangers to a particular beautiful destination with all due care and precision. Also to tread a path full of dangers very carefully so that no harm or destruction comes to oneself or others using the same path, to be consistent with the group that treads the same path full of dangers so that togetherness provides safety and security for all in the group, to be consistent with the guidance of God that can lead people to blissful and dignified as well as secure existence, to be consistent with God and humanity for ensuring well being of mankind, to be mindful of God, to guard against thinking such thoughts and taking such actions that could lead people to harms and destructions by hands of each other, to remain alert and fully prepared for dealing with problematic or dangerous situations or circumstances that may arise from time to time, to walk carefully along a difficult or dangerous path so that one makes one’s way safely through it to one’s chosen and desired destination, to have a mission and to fulfil it with all due care, to have situations or circumstances fully under control at all times so that one does not in danger or in trouble due to one’s negligence or carelessness, to desire or have wish for safe and secure existence, to have things in one’s attention, to pay attention to, to wish or desire for, to not to lose track of things that are vital for ensuring one’s safe and secure existence, to guard against, to pay attention to, to be mindful of, to be alert or aware of or about, to prevent something undesirable from happening, to take precaution or precautionary measures for protection against something harmful or dangerous in advance, to be attentive, to obviate, to avoid, to beware, to fear, to be concerned about, to safeguard, to protect, to caution, to warn, to act on provided warning, to shield or be shielded from, to keep safe from, to preserve or be preserved from, to distance or be distanced from, to move away from, to be saved from, to be moved away from, to be careful about, to be consistent with, meeting of minds or actions or both, to be pious, to be cautious, to keep in mind, to keep something in forefront of one’s mind, to stay away from, to forbid or stop, to defend, to fend off, to be in awe, to hook onto or link to something in some way for some purpose, to deviate from something in some sense, to fall off or away from something in some way, to hang onto something in some sense, to have reach or jurisdiction, to have control over something in some sense, to have hand or be involved in something happening etc etc. In the Quranic context people are supposed to tread the Quranic path being fully aware of what is involved in it so that it could lead them to unity, peace, progress and prosperity and so that they do not fall victim to side tracks that could lead them to harmful or destructive end results by hands of each other through divisions, rivalries, animosities, hatred and wars.

In a way word ZAALIK here also connects this surah to the first surah beside connecting it to letters in the first verse ie this is that promised guiding book with all essential information that if understood properly and followed faithfully can lead mankind to blissful, dignified and secure existence. That is if they will think and do what this book tells them then they will get the kind of life this book talks about or promises. It is like somebody gives someone a building plan for a nice house and all the needed raw materials and says now work on this plan and you will end up with a beautiful house. A very clear message to those who think that if they need anything then all they need to do is, pray to God for it a lot of times and with all due sincerity and it will be given to them by God. When this does not happen as they think then these people tell each other we are not sincere enough in our prayers that is why God is not listening to us so they keep trying harder and harder but it still does not happen so they come up with excuse of reward for prayer in hereafter. In other words people try to fool themselves and each other as much as they can for as long as they can till it dawns upon them that God has not set up the universe to work this way or they come to know this fact for themselves. These people do not realise that they cannot make Allah bow to their will through a lot of crying and emotional outbursts because God does not want just sincerity but sincerity as well as the right way for showing their sincerity. Their prayers remain unfulfilled because this not the way God is portrayed in the Quran because deen of Islam is not a religious nonsense based upon baseless dogmas and rituals. So people better read this book very carefully and try and understand the whole thing properly and then do it faithfully as it explains and then see the results by doing things that way. In other words one needs to find out full picture of things from the Quran on basis of real world realities before getting down to business of executing the program the Quran puts forth. This program is for people for accomplishing some goals according to some guidelines after coming up with sense of its proper context and perspective and then following the Quran in that sense faithfully. So only those works will be defined as proper which help one accomplish the stated goals according to provided guidelines and all other works will only waste one’s time and effort as well as they will delay fulfilment of the stated objectives of God for mankind so they could lead people to needless painful suffering for as long as they continue on that path. It is like somebody tells one to go to a shop and buy some food and instead the person goes away and wastes time here and there and comes back without food. Now not only the task assigned has not been carried out and the purpose has not been served but without food people will have to go through hunger because of having no food to eat. So if Allah tells you to build the house because he has provided you with all you need then there is no point you saying back to Allah, please do it for me, is there? If Allah meant to do your part as well then what was the point in Allah giving you the house map and all the needed raw material and telling you all the rest is up to you? This explains one reason at least why people are poor and hungry or lazy and crazy ie because they are thinking it is total responsibility of Allah that he should do each and everything for them as if they are only here to sit and pray for things and they will get them. This is very wrong concept about Allah in heads of people but the question is, where did it come from? It came from mullahs because it is they who misconstrued concepts about God to trick people into make beliefs and useless rituals. However why did they do so will become clear as we progress with study of the Quran because everything cannot be explained in one place or in a couple of words. It is because most people think they are very sensible yet follow all the nonsense they can think of. This is why the human world is the way it is. If people had learn that much sense as they claim then human world ought to be in much better state today than we see all around us.

3) Such are the people who commit to working for unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind for their brilliant future yet hidden from them by establishing the supportive network of proper human community in order to open up for all, the ways and means to sustenance which We have provided for them in form of raw materials.

Word YUMINOON is from root ALIF, MEEM and NOON. Concrete meaning of this root is something that is itself safe and secure and acts as foundation for safety and security of other things. Also something that is stable itself and provides stability for other things, to be safe, to be secure, to guard, to keep, to trust, to pledge, to be confident, to be at peace, to be satisfied, to believe on the basis of evidence, to have faith based on reason, to take something for granted or as a matter of blind faith, to hold onto baseless beliefs, to put trust in something for some reason for some end goal or purpose in mind, to be believed or trusted, to trust someone with or over something, to have a valid reason to trust someone or something, to feel safe or secure, to be in a time of safety, to be at peace with, to be comfortable with, to be satisfied with someone or something about something, to guard against, to wish to be safe from, to attain true faith, to put faith in, to be entrusted with, to have peace or tranquillity, to be peaceful, to commit to working for unity and peace, to commit to working for progress and prosperity, to undertake working for cause of peace and prosperity, to charge someone with a trust, to discharge one’s trust satisfactorily, to have inner calm, to be honest or trustworthy, to be or become relaxed, to be or become calm, to be sincere or serious about something, to hold a certain belief about something or someone, to be adherent to the truth, to be committed to facts and explanations as oppose to taking things on face value, to be peaceful and make others commit or submit to peace in some sense, to be or become free of fear or worry or anxiety or tension, to have no fear or worry, to not to breach one’s trust, to help one become free of fear or worry or anxiety, to affirm or confirm something in some sense, to attest to the truth of something, to bear witness to the truth, to proclaim truth, to reflect what is true or is a reality, to have thoughts and words as well as actions consistent with each other, to not to be in two minds about something, to fulfil one’s given responsibility or duty to the full, habitually honest person, a person always found to be consistent in his word through his actions etc etc.

In the Quranic context AMAN means physical and mental security and reliability in a person ie one is at peace internally and externally knowing one has nothing to regret about the past and nothing to worry about in the future. It is because unless one has peace inside oneself one cannot be confident and secure enough to radiate peace outside oneself and likewise if peace is missing from outside oneself then the same troubles and worries are sensed by senses of brain and the worries become internalised. In other words a human by nature is such a being that it is affected both internally and externally ie the outside things affects its inside and its inside things affect its outside or external world. One takes things in from outside and one ejects things from inside after certain mental and physical processes. So people who want peace try to spread peace to others and people who want troubles and wars spread troubles to others. Whichever force succeeds in this struggle is reflected in the world that people see all around them.

Word GAIB is from root GHAIN, YAA and BAA. Concrete meaning of this root is gap or distance or difference between two things in some sense. Also disconnection or discontinuity or break or absence of linkage between two things or points, something unknown or unseen or invisible or hidden or not in view, the future, depth of a wall, setting of the sun or moon or stars, hidden depth or deep bottom, lowland, dense forest that is full of trees etc, deep well bottom of which is not visible, roots of tree buried in the ground, to gossip or slander or backbite or spread rumour or lies or falsehood, to vanish or become invisible or absent or unseen or concealed or doubtful, to travel in the folds of the earth, unseen is something that exists but is not visible to the eye, depression, hollow, something that is unknown at one time can become known at another time eg future is something that is hidden but as time marches on it become present therefore visible, to have or not to have reach, to have or not to have jurisdiction or control, to have or not to have power or capacity to do something, to shield or shelter, to provide with refuge or sanctuary or protection, to guard, to have or not to have family or following or support or back up, to stay away, to withdraw, to leave, to depart, to vanish from someone’s sight, to be swallowed up, to set, to go down, to slip from memory, to forget, to lose consciousness, to lose awareness, to lead away, to take away, to faint or swoon, to veil, to become oblivious, to drive out of mind, to cover up, to be transcendental, to calumniate, to do something behind someone’s back, to do something treacherously, to foresee or foreknow, to know secretly, to do something insidiously, wood,
Copse, thicket, jungle, reed, judgement by default, depth of a dungeon or ditch or the like, trance, daze, stupor, nonattendance, defamation, truancy, narcotics, anaesthetics, a woman whose husband is absent, grass widow etc etc.

In the Quranic context here this root means anything that is not obvious because of lack of information about it which leaves a gap in one’s knowledge eg result or outcome of an action. There is time gap between a cause and its effect. The gap indicates absence of result of an action for a period of time. When one says something bad about someone who is absent it is called GHEEBAH. In opposition to this word SHAHAADA is used from root SHEEN, HAA and DAAL, which means constant ie connected or without gap. An eye witness is present at scene of crime so he is connected with what he has witnessed. In the Quranic context words needs to be understood in a particular context eg the Quran is a manifesto ie a program or roadmap or a plan of actions upon which people ought to act or work but only in hope that end result will be good for them because the end result of acting on the program of the Quran is not obvious in reality till it becomes a reality. People can only examine the Quran on paper and see if its program can work, if they become confident that it can work then they should go for it and once they start they should keep going till results begin to appear in reality ie plan start taking shape in reality like a builder works on a map of a building to give it shape in reality once he is happy with the map of the building or its technical drawing by an architect. It is in this context Allah asks people to give loan to Allah ie trust Allah that his set-up systems and laws will bring about the results promised in the Quran for mankind provided they played their parts properly in this program as asked to do. For example, people throw about seeds in the field in the hope they will in time grow into crops. Provided people have prepared their fields properly and seeded them on time under proper conditions then in due course the result will be a good crop. So the time between carrying out a program and its results is meant here by word GHAIB. It is not about blind faith in existence of Allah because existence of Allah can be proven through indirect evidences and their best explanation that is impossible to refute. The question is, where did the idea of total blind faith come from? From mullahs because they wanted to turn people ignorant and unreasonable so that that way they could make them believe anything using their tricks. This will become very clear as we progress through study of the Quran. The main thing to pat attention to is that if each of the people believed whatever one liked then they will end up with many differences between them and the Quran demands unity of mankind in ideology. This ideological unity between people is impossible unless people become rational thinkers because then reason based explanations will lead them to ideological unity as stronger arguments in favour of solid ideology find their way into minds of people. Blind faith idea will keep people confused therefore in chaos for ever so they can never be united so the program the Quran puts forth for the ummah cannot be turned into reality because that way an ummah cannot come about ever. A clear proof that mullahs are misleading people regardless of to which religion they belong so they should not follow them blindly or remain in painful suffering forever by hands of each other because disunity, hatred and wars are all inevitable in that case. For program of Allah to become a reality people need to work together and to do so needs them to become literate, educated and trained so that they could have the needed information and the sense of making sense of things so that they could understand program of God properly and then act upon it faithfully. If not then people can carry on doing whatever they like and keep on facing the consequences and complaining about God as they usually do instead of listening to God has to say to them.

Word SALAAH from roots SAWD, LAAM and WOW/YAA. Concrete meaning of this root is to join in some sense for some reason or purpose. Also to make some sort of connection between things for some reason or purpose, to bring about network or linkage or interaction between people, to contact or communicate with each other, things joined together or the point where at they join together, things separating from each other or the point from which they separate or branch off, a point of convergence or divergence, middle part of human body from which legs separate, the tail part of a four legged animal from which its hind legs separate, two things that are joined to each other in such a way that one is right behind the other without any gap for another of them to fit in, a joining point where at all things are tied together like many animals are tied to the same pole each standing or sitting in its own space, central or main contact point for things, a network node or joining point at which all things converge or diverge from, the small of the back, the two bones surrounding the root of the tail of an animal, to hit a camel on that part, to come at the rear of, to walk behind each other like a camel caravan, to run side by side like horses in a race course trying to race along each other, to connect with each other in some way for some reason to serve some purpose, to bend or mould or model or shape or form something according to some given model or specification or standard for some reason or purpose, to adhere to something in some sense for some purpose, a gathering point or place, a point of contact for people to come together to serve some purpose, to stand before God with full awareness and sincerity to reaffirm the covenant with God, to read the Quran for reminding oneself about the message of God so that one remains connected to God and people, to proclaim the Quran among people to deliver its message to people for reminder so that people connect to God and with each other, to bring about a network of humanity as a proper human community to fulfil the goals set by God for mankind to accomplish, to pray, to reaffirm before God and each other support for mission of the final messenger of Allah individually and collectively, to adore or supplicate, to learn and teach deen of Islam, teachings of deen of Islam, a place where duties and responsibilities of deen of Islam are carried out, masjid or synagogue or something like masjid or synagogue in some sense, kingdom based upon guidance of Allah, a kingdom inhabited by those who are based upon guidance of Allah, to roast, to broil, to fry, to burn, to scorch, to cause to suffer, to suffer hardship or difficulty or poverty, to warm up before an open fire, to suffer the heat of scorching fire, contingency, plan of action for an emergency, to prepare in advance for any eventualities or disasters or catastrophes, to be ready for dealing with any situation that may arise out of the ordinary, to be ready for dealing with unforeseen events or happening or occurrences, to have contingency plans worked out, to practice emergency drills, to link up with, to take care of, to guard, to motivate or inspire or urge or push or pull, to make or use weapon or tool, to have reach or jurisdiction, to have power or capacity to do something, to have a hand in something happening, to have involvement in something, to participate or take part in something in some sense, to reflect or think over something, to work out something about something in some sense, to ponder over facing issues, to think out ways for solving facing problems, to work out contingency plans, to be ready for uncertainty or future, to have or show concern for something in some sense, community network, prosperity, blessings, abundance of things, good will, best wishes, a training place or institution of some sort, a race course for training horses for racing, a place where people gather for doing something as a community, essence, juice, extract, lively or active, roots or braches or trunk, leaves, thorns or flowers or fruit, something that stands firmly in its place yet keeps spreading or growing in some sense, something that drives or forces something into doing something in some sense, something that connects something to something in some way, something twisted or bent, something that can hold something when it is hanged on it, to have a grip or control over something in some sense, one thing following the other closely and faithfully, commandments of Allah etc etc.

Since the Quran is provides guidelines for a constitution and laws for interconnection of people to work as a united organised and regulated human community therefore word salaah in Quranic context means community network whereby members of human community support each other to achieve a common set goals eg unity, peace, progress and prosperity etc. So people who read the Quran and after examining it feel that this is what they want then they are told to come together to organise as a community on the basis of the Quran as a constitution for them and regulate the community by laws based upon the Quranic formulas that lead to united, peaceful, progressive and prosperous existence of human community. In other words a person is committed to working for unity and peace only if he is connected properly to God given manifesto and constitution and laws and establishes supportive network along with other people of similar mindset, attitude and behaviour. In a household wherein people do not live organised lives, there is always trouble and clash due to each person trying to do his own things in his own ways in his own time and at many occasions times coincide so people get in each other’s way causing troubles for each other. If these people lived by good house rules agreed between them then they could save themselves from lots of troublesome situations. So one can see word SALAAH is a very comprehensive word for human community network based upon the Quran. SALAAH is known as second pillar of deen of Islam ie first pillar is TAWHEED ie belief in one God on basis of messengership bestowed upon the final messenger Muhammad. This is what makes the real difference between mazhab and deen of Islam ie deen of Islam is not mere human thought process but that it is a thought process based upon revelation from God via a named messenger. Since God according to that message is only one tis becomes foundation of deen of Islam or first pillar of deen of Islam. Word ILAAH in the Quranic context means God but also king or ruler or sovereign of this kingdom of the universe. This is why while God is the ruler of this universe none of the people has right to claim rulership or ownership of anything at all. Since nothing belongs to anyone other than Allah in this world then question arises, how can people fulfil their daily needs for living? This is where come in the rest of four pillars of deen of Islam ie deen of Islam tells people to establish a proper human community network for this purpose in a kingdom. Once a proper human community comes about, it must not be damaged and all must work for its growth and prosperity. The SALAAH concept comes first because without people working for becoming a proper human community all else fails or cannot come about. This is why deen of Islam joins people together and it does not break them up into sects and parties fighting each other. This is why the Quran tells people repeatedly to stick together and do not divide into sects. It is because if people divide then they cannot fulfil their daily needs with dignity and security because fighting between themselves leaves no time for people do thing which they need to do for their survival. This is why words AAMILUSSAALIHAAT are used meaning mend rifts between people ie mend broken relationships between people so that they could become a community. If people have many problems with each other they are not going to become one community while the problem between then remain this is why those problems must be removed from between people. These problems need to be removed in such a way that relationships between people become as if they were never broken or fractured at all. This is how the Quran teaches people to go about things. So as people get the message of their creator and sustainer they should ponder over it and once they comes to understand it properly then they should pass on the message to others and come together to form a community network, so that task of forming humanity into an ummah becomes a reality. This is why the Quran is a book about a mission assigned for humanity by God to carry out faithfully. So each and every person who claims to be a Muslims is bound by the covenant he has entered with God by declaring his/her faith in deen of Islam. This is why the Quran keeps telling people fulfil your obligation to God and each other. Each and every act prescribed in the Quran for people has a purpose behind it and unless people do things objectively and purposefully nothing they do matters. If the Quran wants people to build a building called deen of Islam then each and every person must come to know how to build that building and what part that person has to play so that that building becomes a reality. One cannot just declare faith in deen of Ilsm and then go and do things that have nothing at all to do with deen of Islam. It is because mullahs have misled Muslims that ummah is in the state that it is. People have no idea what deen of Islam is otherwise they could have brought about the kind of ummah the Quran teaches long time ago. Muslims are living a life of confusion and chaos. This will remain the situation till people start studying the Quran properly. It shows how different deen of Islam is from religion or secularism.

Word RIZQ is from root RAA, ZAA and QAAF. Concrete meaning of this root is provisions for sustenance of life. Also things for use or consumption of all mankind to fulfil all their biological, psychological and sociological needs and wants forever, anything that can benefit or ensure well being of humanity in some sense, something that keeps happening repeatedly, rain, maintenance, something that helps sustain life, subsistence, fortunes, means of living, livelihood, earnings, fruit of one’s labour, income, bounty, return for one’s efforts, life support system, to provide with ways and means of living, to equip someone with all one needs to carry of living, to seek sustenance or necessities of life, to give someone something on time so that one could continue living, to give useful things away freely to those who need them, to work for a living, to bestow with or favour with or grant bounties, to grant as means of sustenance, to sustain, to help or support, to make or use tools, to use raw material to make something useful out of it, to set up or organise or regulate sustenance for something, to give someone something to hang onto life, to plan ahead, to work out things for sustenance of living things, to maintain things, to provide something of need to someone, to reward, to pay wage, to provide with outcome of one’s labour etc etc.

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:58 pm
by yeezevee
Mughal wrote:For more see the provided link http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPS ... pic=5206.0


Surah 2 AL-BAQARAH- ........ .
This surah is named AL-BAQARAH from root BAA, QAAF and RAA. Concrete meaning of this root is to tear ..........

1) ALIF LAAM MEEM.

In this verse there are only three letters


Word KITAAB is used from root KAAF, TAA and BAA. Concrete meaning of this root is .....

Word RAIB is from root RAA, YAA and BAA. Its root

Word MUTTAQEEN is from root WOW, QAAF and YAA. Concrete meaning of this root

Word ZAALIK here is connecting this surah to the first surah

Word YUMINOON is from root ALIF, MEEM and NOON. Concrete meaning of this root

Word GAIB is from root GHAIN, YAA and BAA. Concrete root meaning of this root

Word SALAAH from roots SAWD, LAAM and WOW/YAA. Concrete meaning of this root is

Word RIZQ is from root RAA, ZAA and QAAF. Concrete meaning of this root

Word YUNFIQOON is from root NOON, FAA and QAAF. Concrete meaning of this root

Word NAZALA is from root NOON, ZAA and LAAM. Its concrete root

Word AAKHIRAH is from root ALIF, KHAA and RAA. Concrete meaning of this root

Word YOOQINOON is from root YAA, QAAF and NOON. Concrete meaning of this root

Word MUFLIHOON is from root FAA, LAAM and HAA. Concrete meaning of this root

Word KAFARU is from root KAAF, FAA and RAA. Concrete meaning of this root

Word NAZAR is from root NOON, ZAAL and RAA. Its concrete meaning is ringing of the bell

In this verse word KHATAM is used from root KHAA, TAA and MEEM. The concrete meaning

Word QULOOB is from root QAAF,LAAM and BAA. Its concrete meaning

Word SAMA is from root SEEN, MEEM and AIN. Its concrete

Word GHISHAAWA is from root GHAIN, SHEEN and YAA. Its concrete

Another word used here is AZAAB from root AIN, ZAAL and BAA. Its concrete

Yet another word used is AZEEM from root AIN, ZWAA and MEEM. Its concrete root

Word NAAS is from root ALIF, NOON and SEEN. Its concrete root meaning

The other word used here is QAWL from root QAAF, WOW and LAAM. Its concrete

Word KHADA is from root KHAA, DAAL and AIN. Its concrete root

The other word used here is YASHUROON from root SHEEN, AIN and RAA. Its concrete root meaning

Word MARAD is from root MEEM, RAA and DWAAD. Its concrete meaning is loss

Word YAKZIBOON is from root KAAF, ZAAL and BAA. Concrete root

Word ALEEM is from root ALIF, LAAM and MEEM. Its concrete root

Word FASAAD is from root FAA, SEEN and DAAL and its concrete root

Word ARD is from root ALIF, RAA and DWAD. The concrete meaning of this root

The other word used here is MUSLIHOON from root SWAD, LAAM and HAA. Concrete meaning of this root is .......

Hmmmm ....... ALIF LAAM MEEM.. is verse and has great hidden meaning with three silly words .. rubbish


I am so sorry to say this to you Mughal., "your post is full of nonsense and wall of meaningless text.." What roots are you talking Mughal? The book is full of spoiled roots but you must have freedom to write whatever you like to write...

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:28 pm
by yeezevee
Mughal wrote:For more see the provided link http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPS ... pic=5206.0 ...


And Mughal worse than reading your wall of text is CLICKING THAT LINK this is what i get

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Anyways what is the point of wasting your time Mughal? With your Quran and with your wall text you are NOT going change the Islamic world neither you will change views of those who question Islam/Muhammad/Quran/Hadith/Sunnah..

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:29 pm
by Mughal
yeezevee wrote:I am so sorry to say this to you Mughal., "your post is full of nonsense and wall of meaningless text.." What roots are you talking Mughal? The book is full of spoiled roots but you must have freedom to write whatever you like to write...

with best wishes
yeezevee


Dear yeezevee, not my tribal roots. It is words that have roots from which they are derived for various grammatical reasons. Also I have not yet found out what these letters are about in the beginnings of some surahs.


The website is fine the problem is it is urdu website so anti virus programs just put up safety warning just ignore it and you will be fine. jang is pakistani international urdu newspaper.

I have completed my verses by verse interpretation of the quran but now I have started to explain things a bit so that readers could see how I understand the text of the quran. Most of the questions that arise in muslim and nonmuslim are fully answered by the quran but one needs time and ability to understand things to make use of information provided in the quran.

regards and all the best.

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:34 pm
by iffo
Mughal wrote:
yeezevee wrote:I am so sorry to say this to you Mughal., "your post is full of nonsense and wall of meaningless text.." What roots are you talking Mughal? The book is full of spoiled roots but you must have freedom to write whatever you like to write...

with best wishes
yeezevee


Dear yeezevee, not my tribal roots. It is words that have roots from which they are derived for various grammatical reasons. Also I have not yet found out what these letters are about in the beginnings of some surahs.


The website is fine the problem is it is urdu website so anti virus programs just put up safety warning just ignore it and you will be fine. jang is pakistani international urdu newspaper.

I have completed my verses by verse interpretation of the quran but now I have started to explain things a bit so that readers could see how I understand the text of the quran. Most of the questions that arise in muslim and nonmuslim are fully answered by the quran but one needs time and ability to understand things to make use of information provided in the quran.

regards and all the best.


why would in his final message to entire mankind god will write stuff which will be so difficult to understand and only few could understand. He must be out of his mind. The book is total junk and waste of time. Its the biggest proof that this religion has no divine connection and is a fraud.

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:47 am
by Hombre
dear Myghal,
I have to hand it to you. You are a master of manipulating gullibles, to believe the sun is one big dark green ball. I am shaking my head in disbelief. How are you (trying to) transform a literature written by individual(s) with mind-set, and intellectual level of 8 year olds, to a group, equally mind set of 7 years old to believe that Quran is so........ advanced and sophisticated, not everyone is capable of understanding the hidden meaning there. it is amazing how you render suras from the Quran, in manner which its contents have nothing to do with your interpretation.

To those unbiased who read the Quran, it looks rather, a backward literature, designed and intended to force people to follow and fear only one man - Mohammad - all under the disguise of "Allah & his messenger"

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:04 am
by Mughal
iffo wrote:why would in his final message to entire mankind god will write stuff which will be so difficult to understand and only few could understand. He must be out of his mind. The book is total junk and waste of time. Its the biggest proof that this religion has no divine connection and is a fraud.


Dear iffo, when you were born, did you not find anything difficult in your growing up? Everything for you was a piece of cake, was it? If life is a huge struggle in itself then you should have learned that human beings are created to fight difficulties. The universe in which we are born cannot be understood without we making efforts to make sense of it. Since nothing in life comes without our own struggle therefore the quran is also a book that is for people who will be successful in the struggle for learning.

People have been given all they will ever need ie the universe and the revelation plus brains, senses and bodies to learn and do things as they see fit.

The first and foremost things is learning sense of how to make sense of things. For this you are given everything to directly experience realities of life. After you have become sensible enough by direct learning experiences then you can learn from provided guidance by likewise making sense of guidance and following it.

Just think about what is narrow mindedness and what is open mindedness. Look at it this way, you have a balloon and it is empty ie deflated. Now you start putting air in it ie inflate it. You will see it expanding in relation to air you are putting in it. Now look at brain, it is empty and then information comes to it from its senses and as more and more information comes in it, it also expands. The open mindedness is another name for information that mind receives from outside world and makes sense of it.

The outside information triggers processing in the brain therefore thinking adds to received information by making sense of it and storing it back in the brain.

Now look at what your parents and teachers do with you. They draw your attention to things so that you pay attention to those things and learn about those things. If they did not draw your attention to those things, you would not have learned about them because on your own you would not have learn as much as the teaching has taught you. If in doubt look at kids who went through schooling and those who did not.

Or look at it this way, suppose when you were born your parents left you on your own with a tv set to find out what it is, could you on your own ever find out what it is or what it does? No, not in your whole life time. However if you were put in a school where they taught about tv, you will learn everything about it within a couple of decades. What caused this difference? Teaching. What did teaching actually do? Teaching drew your attention to things to learn and you learned them.

Likewise guidance from God is all about drawing our attention to things which otherwise will take us ages to learn about through our own life experiences. It is because we only look as far as we can by way of drives which motivate us. Instinctive learning is therefore very limited but prompted learning is very fulfilling. So by questioning each other we trigger development and progress in learning and doing things.

The quran if you have ever read it does exactly that. It sets us mankind the goals and guidelines so that we adopt a particular way of life to reach a particular end. It tells us about things which we could never learn about in our lifetimes all by ourselves. For example, how many of us were aware of what is going on in the world when we were born? How much are we really aware of our world when we are grown up? All we are worried about is food, drink and reproduction. Most of us have no idea about countries in the world and their cultures and what is going on in those societies. This is why we are all easily manipulated by rulers, mullahs and money lenders because they rise above mere instinctive learning. They educate their families in private schools and provide for their kids private tuitions whereas rest of human beings are set up by them to play games with each other because it is they who control societies, politics, economics. This is why they can create cultures they want but they will never create cultures nor let such cultures come about in which their monopoly is challenged by masses.

The quran is the only book that not only draws our attention to our origin, the way the universe works, the purpose it is created to serve but also what humanity needs to do to take it in the right direction.

There is none on the face of the earth who could challenge the quran in any way. This is my finding after I have read the quran the very first time in my life for its proper understanding.

This is the reason I think this book is worthy of being paid full attention to. I am now in process of explaining it in a bit more detail than simple verse by verse interpretation. It will take a few more years and I hope I live that long with my faculties still intact. When I am finished with it, things will make much better sense so for the time being my work is put on websites here and there for those who may find it interesting.

To me it does not matter people go through my work or not but those who will find is very different from almost all the traditional works. It is going to defeat mullahism comprehensively as education becomes more and more available to wider and wider human population.

So the quran is at the top end of scale of human learning. People who talk nonsense about the quran have no idea about information it contains and once my work gets through to people it will change things particularly for scholars of the quran everywhere but it will take time because it is a very slow process.

regards and all the best.

http://archive.org/details/EnglishTranslationOfTheQuran

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:03 pm
by darth
Mughal, is this a competition? Are you trying to produce stuff that is longer and more incoherent than the quran?

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:46 pm
by Hombre
Mughal writes:
"The universe in which we are born cannot be understood without we making efforts to make sense of it. Since nothing in life comes without our own struggle therefore the quran is also a book that is for people who will be successful in the struggle for learning."

these wisdoms were introduced by Chinese, Persian, Jewish, and Greek philosophers, thousand years before Islam was born - so what are you trying to prove here? - that Islam's core ideology is plagiarize, or appropriate other people creative ideas and claim them as "Islamic wisdom". we already know it.

Please channel your intelligence and wisdom to more productive purpose, and stop making more spectacle of Islam. It is bad as it is - no need to add more.

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:07 pm
by yeezevee
Mughal wrote:
iffo wrote:why would in his final message to entire mankind god will write stuff which will be so difficult to understand and only few could understand. He must be out of his mind. The book is total junk and waste of time. Its the biggest proof that this religion has no divine connection and is a fraud.


Dear iffo, when you were born, .............

Spoiler! :
People have been given all they will ever need ie the universe and the revelation plus brains, senses and bodies to learn and do things as they see fit.

The first and foremost things is learning sense of how to make sense of things. For this you are given everything to directly experience realities of life. After you have become sensible enough by direct learning experiences then you can learn from provided guidance by likewise making sense of guidance and following it.

Just think about what is narrow mindedness and what is open mindedness. Look at it this way, you have a balloon and it is empty ie deflated. Now you start putting air in it ie inflate it. You will see it expanding in relation to air you are putting in it. Now look at brain, it is empty and then information comes to it from its senses and as more and more information comes in it, it also expands. The open mindedness is another name for information that mind receives from outside world and makes sense of it.

The outside information triggers processing in the brain therefore thinking adds to received information by making sense of it and storing it back in the brain.

Now look at what your parents and teachers do with you. They draw your attention to things so that you pay attention to those things and learn about those things. If they did not draw your attention to those things, you would not have learned about them because on your own you would not have learn as much as the teaching has taught you. If in doubt look at kids who went through schooling and those who did not.

Or look at it this way, suppose when you were born your parents left you on your own with a tv set to find out what it is, could you on your own ever find out what it is or what it does? No, not in your whole life time. However if you were put in a school where they taught about tv, you will learn everything about it within a couple of decades. What caused this difference? Teaching. What did teaching actually do? Teaching drew your attention to things to learn and you learned them.

Likewise guidance from God is all about drawing our attention to things which otherwise will take us ages to learn about through our own life experiences. It is because we only look as far as we can by way of drives which motivate us. Instinctive learning is therefore very limited but prompted learning is very fulfilling. So by questioning each other we trigger development and progress in learning and doing things.

The quran if you have ever read it does exactly that. It sets us mankind the goals and guidelines so that we adopt a particular way of life to reach a particular end. It tells us about things which we could never learn about in our lifetimes all by ourselves. For example, how many of us were aware of what is going on in the world when we were born? How much are we really aware of our world when we are grown up? All we are worried about is food, drink and reproduction. Most of us have no idea about countries in the world and their cultures and what is going on in those societies. This is why we are all easily manipulated by rulers, mullahs and money lenders because they rise above mere instinctive learning. They educate their families in private schools and provide for their kids private tuitions whereas rest of human beings are set up by them to play games with each other because it is they who control societies, politics, economics. This is why they can create cultures they want but they will never create cultures nor let such cultures come about in which their monopoly is challenged by masses
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dear Mughal, That is again wall of text unrelated to iffo's simple quire about Quran. Whatever you said in that spoiler could easily be used to any so-called religious books that are out there. But you are free to write and you must have freedom to put your nonsense out in to public about a book that appears to be compiled with ulterior political motives of its time.

The quran is the only book that not only draws our attention to our origin, the way the universe works, the purpose it is created to serve but also what humanity needs to do to take it in the right direction.

RUBBISH .. absolute rubbish Mughal, I am sorry to say this but It appears you don't even have high school background of basic science subjects such as , Evolutionary Biology, Chemistry, Physics and astrophysics which are the basic building blocks to educate kids on Human origins through Evolution and the physics behind how the universe works..

Such high end claims from you needs proof and you as usual write 5 pages of unrelated often unreadable text if some one asks simple question on your posts/claims. Anyways, even with your own so-called understanding /Translation of Quran (which is not a original Arabic version), " could you please direct me TO YOUR TRANSLATION of verses that shows the proof of our origin, the way the universe works"??

Incidentally, I am reading your Quran carefully all chapters, verse by verse..

There is none on the face of the earth who could challenge the quran in any way. This is my finding after I have read the quran the very first time in my life for its proper understanding.
There is NONE?? what do you mean by none?? that is again nonsense.,

Quran or any religious book, for that matter any book from any one has been challenged and will be challenged. Don't ever think your finding is unquestionable Mughal

This is the reason I think this book is worthy of being paid full attention to. I am now in process of explaining it in a bit more detail than simple verse by verse interpretation. It will take a few more years and I hope I live that long with my faculties still intact. When I am finished with it, things will make much better sense so for the time being my work is put on websites here and there for those who may find it interesting.
well do more reading of your own translation., it is a good thing to do.

To me it does not matter people go through my work or not but those who will find is very different from almost all the traditional works. It is going to defeat mullahism comprehensively as education becomes more and more available to wider and wider human population.
There I agree with you Mughal.

But you see defeating that mullahism with another false translation or even other religious texts does not mean what you are doing/done with Quran is the truth about what you call as "god's words". You see when this GOD/ALLAH THING itself is questionable, then your alleged translation of "words of allahgod" will not have any effect and do not get respect from folks who are rational & logical in their approach to understand the origins and the reasons for these so called god's words Mughal.

At best what you are doing by your translation of Quran is, creating another ISLAMIC SECT or at worse you may create more infighting within Muslim community.
So the quran is at the top end of scale of human learning.
Yes, Quran is Quantum mechanics with full of partial differential equations ..lol.. that is another nonsense claim from you Mughal.,

People who talk nonsense about the quran have no idea about information it contains and once my work gets through to people it will change things particularly for scholars of the quran everywhere but it will take time because it is a very slow process.

Well now you have your translation out, why would it take time and why it should be a very slow process? it should be fast, specially in this internet age. You just have to publish your translation as a BOOK and spread a word and preach it in Mosques Mughal.

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:09 pm
by manfred
Mughal, it seems the Qur'an is just as coherent as you!

and yeezevee, do I detect just a hint of irritation? Too many root vegetables perhaps?

Re: Is quran incoherent? Surah 2 the longest surah in the qu

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:09 pm
by Fernando
manfred wrote:Mughal, it seems the Qur'an is just as coherent as you!

and yeezevee, do I detect just a hint of irritation? Too many root vegetables perhaps?
I think Yeezeevee's just wishing uncung with his one-liners would come and replace Mughal and his interminable lectures. :sml: