Before I reply to a few select points from your first post addressed to me, let me reply to your counter response to my posts...
You said, "In short what you say is people corrupted the true message of quran. In that case it means Allah has failed to preserve his teachings. Any failure on Allah;s part means he is not God. Now here are a few questions for you"
I did not say people corrupted divine message but they did interfere with peoples' understanding of the message. However God gave people brains and ability to catch each other out if they wish. Now if world decide to go to sleep instead of using its so many brains then that is their choice.
Preventing corruption of a book (changing words in the book) ensures that people don't follow a wrong message and that is why care is taken to ensure that original message is not tampered. Now if people's understanding of quran is interfered and they are led to believe in something else then the end result would be same as it would be if the actual words of the book were changed i.e. people end up following a wrong message. So what difference does that make? It is same as corrupting the actual words..
Secondly 95% of the people do not speak arabic i.e. they have to rely on translations made by others. Even within those 5% people disagree amongst themselves. In such a case how can you blame 95% people for not using their brains? If someone who does not understand arabic reads that disbelievers should be killed, how should he use his/her brain? Do we still say that quran talks of peace?
"1)why didn’t Allah entrust his book in the reliable hands who would take care that his message won’t be distorted?"
Who are reliable hands and if he did that will people like you still not ask same question, why not me?
Ok then let me ask you a question on the same lines . Why Muhammad and why not me for delivering the message? Now did this prevent Allah from sending Muhammad? Ofcourse not! If your reasoning is correct, then Allah should not be sending Muhammad with the quran because we would ask exactly the same question. In that case Muhammad is not Allah's prophet and hence quran is fake..
Secondly it seems that Allah cannot understand what should be given importance. He cannot do cost benefit analysis. He has two alternatives :
1) Send a reliable person who would ensure that people do not misinterpret the true message of quran
2) Not send any reliable person and let people remain in a state of mess as the muslim community is today
Any sane person would chose option 1 because that does not cause harm.On the other hand if option 2 is chosen, people misinterpret a message millions and millions of people turn into criminals. In short, Allah got it wrong and hence not GOd!
"2) If people have been falsely representing and propagating a wrong message why didn’t Allah take corrective action? Why is he silent for last 1400 years?"
God is not silent people are delivering quranic copies at our doors and it is up to us to find out the truth or stay away. Some do others do other things that is their choice.
The copies delivered for last 1400 years are totally different from your translations. In such a case you cant blame people. It seems that Allah enjoys people being misguided and then in the end he loves to punish them for the same.
"3) If Allah is all knowing he already knew what was going to be the end result of sending the quran down to earth. The end result was terrorism, hatred of kafirs , mass scale killing etc. Doesn’t this mean that Allah wanted to cause havoc on earth?"
As for Allah, creation cannot know anything about him beyond what he told it himself. The idea that Allah is all aware does not means Allah knows the impossible. Allah only knows what he knows and he has not told us limits of his knowledge, so there is no point in arguing over things which neither of us can find out. Allah sent the quran for guidance of mankind and mankind are learning and one day they will reach the stage whereat the quran will become very useful for them. Allah is waiting for humanity to grow up so tat it could see things in a different light as grown up community.
We are looking at the word "ALL KNOWING". Human understanding of the word "All " does not exclude anything so there is no cop out for you.
If you claim that it is not possible for us to know what Allah means when he says he is "All knowing" because of limited human understanding then we have a huge problem. None of the quran can be interpreted in that case for sure. For all we know , it could mean something beyond our limited human understanding. The message could be totally different and we could be interpreting it differently because we have limitations. In short quran cannot be for humans..
More ever knowing that people would kill each other in advance is not an impossible thing. Even we human beings can make a guess and prevent such acts.
As I said already people were fighting already long before the quran and the same reasons are still out there which make people fight each other so quran is not magic cure but knowledge based cure and people do not grow up overnight so things will take time to get where they need to be. This is how Allah set -up things and there is no better way to do things that suit purpose of Allah. If there is any other better way then people can put it forward for our examination before attacking the ideas told by God as to why he set up the world the way he did.
Well people were fighting before the quran and they are still fighting after the quran was revealed for 1400 long years. That should be sufficient to tell you that presence or absence of quran does not matter. In short we may discard quran.
Secondly, I have not claimed that islam alone makes people fight or turn into criminals. Islam is just one of the sources where people find justifications for their criminal behavior. So pointing out to criminal acts which are not as a result of islam does not make islam less bad. It only means islam is one source amongst many.
"4 ) If wealthy people, governments etc were all conspiring against the quran how are you sure that they have not changed the actual words of the quran? It seems you are comfortable with the idea that every single person was busy fabricating lies about the quran (for e.g fabricating ahadith) and yet on the other hand they were devout enough to NOT corrupt the quran itself."
The idea that people conspired against divine message is a verifiable fact. Ask people how many of them want to live the way the quran puts forth? Moreover what is the way the quran puts forth? Hint, it is not the mullahs' way. Why mullahs way looks bad and what is the real difference between islam put forth by mullahs and islam put forth by the quran? Do you know in the quran who are the people the quran condemns who stop mankind from the way of Allah? Surprise surprise they are mullahs.
Well you have not answered my question at all but instead you are asking me irrelevant questions. Corruption of quran is also a verifiable fact. We know from Sanaa manuscripts that there was no standard quran at a time. There were multiple copies of quran is circulation and they differed from each other in content. If quran was not corrupted we would have one uniform copy. So historical proofs debunk you.
Btw you have not answered my question at all. If people could invent anything they want about muhammad and islam and yet not FACE opposition from masses then changing the words in the quran would not be a big deal.
"Please explain to me in what way your explanation has worked out well. Please give an example to substantiate your point. As I asked you previously , please explain to us 4:34 from the quran and how others have got it wrong otherwise this is just a vague claim."
As I said before, language of quran needs to be paid attention. Each word used in the quran has a root and each root has various concepts attached to it. In some cases a few roots work as one Take word NISAA, it has a few roots even in Arabic which is an indication that this root originated from a few different predecessor languages. Roots are NOON,SEEN and ALIF. NOON SEEN and WOW, NOON SEEN and YAA and ALIF, NOON and SEEN. Please look up root based dictionaries to see what I am talking about and then see how many different meanings are explained about each of these roots. For the context read the surah I have given the link.
I am not denying that arabic roots can take different meanings. I am asking you for the context which you speak for translating the words to have a specific meaning. I could not find the links that you have given. Can you quote the specific part asked from the link?
"I do have ground because quran claims to be for entire mankind. Entire mankind consists of experts, non experts, beginners, amateurs etc. So I do have a case to argue otherwise the claim that quran is for entire mankind is false. It would mean quran is only for experts which is self defeating."
Well, language does have limitations so people should be able to make proper sense of things. When we use word humanity we still mean only people we mean that are relevant to our subject matter not humnaity as a whole, for many have gone before us. Likewise the quran only means people that are there and from among them those who can benefit at any given time. Children who grow up and interested in knowing things.
By claiming that humanity may not mean every single person on earth you are shooting yourself in the foot! In that case why are you so worried about people not following quran?