Fernando wrote: If you'd asked me in the early70s what Pakistan was like, I'd probably have thought of something like these images. Foreign, a bit exotic, but unremarkable for somewhere still developing. Now,it's amazing to see it - and to see that it was more Westernised than some parts of the UK now are! Interesting also to see the hashish shop - having just watched a TV orogramme about heroin addicts in Karachi, where it said that 1 in 40 of the inhabitants are addicted, thanks to the flood of cheap drugs from Afghanistan. (Sorry, can't find it again to link to.)
Yes I did read them and I do realise when they are from. Maybe I did not express my thoughts clearly, though. What I meant was that in the 70's, people didn't think of Pakistan as a cess-pit full of religious maniacs vying with each other to ensure that they live in as backward a theocracy as possible. On the contrary, it seemed a country full of hope.yeezevee wrote:I wonder whether you read those links Mr. "Fernando"., Those images in those links are from 70s and early 80s..
Well, religious mania must have featured large, but beyond Zia's playing a large part I've little idea how it came about. I gather, though, that Jinnah would be spinning in his grave if he knew what his Pakistan had come to.Any ways., what possible good reasons can we think that a society like 70's Pakistan changes with in 40 years to what it is now?? do you have any idea why that happened?
yeezevee wrote:I wonder whether you read those links Mr. "Fernando"., Those images in those links are from 70s and early 80s..Fernando wrote: If you'd asked me in the early70s what Pakistan was like, I'd probably have thought of something like these images. Foreign, a bit exotic, but unremarkable for somewhere still developing. Now,it's amazing to see it - and to see that it was more Westernised than some parts of the UK now are! Interesting also to see the hashish shop - having just watched a TV orogramme about heroin addicts in Karachi, where it said that 1 in 40 of the inhabitants are addicted, thanks to the flood of cheap drugs from Afghanistan. (Sorry, can't find it again to link to.)
Any ways., what possible good reasons can we think that a society like 70's Pakistan changes with in 40 years to what it is now?? do you have any idea why that happened?
Fernando wrote:.................... - having just watched a TV programme about heroin addicts in Karachi, where it said that 1 in 40 of the inhabitants are addicted, thanks to the flood of cheap drugs from Afghanistan. (Sorry, can't find it again to link to.)
The widely publicised report of Hindus migrating to India en masse has blown up – with the Sindh chief minister taking notice – but conflicting accounts about the reason for their visit have emerged. The CM wants a three-member committee to be headed by the minster on minority affairs report back in two days. Sources in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad said they could not comment because of the conflicting reports in the media.
The former head of the Hindu Panchayat of Jacobabad, Lal Chand Setlani, told The Express Tribune that on Wednesday, a renowned Maharaj of Jacobabad, Santosh Puri, along with his followers left for a Yatra (religious pilgrimage) to India. As the Maharaj has a huge following, a large number of people from Balochistan, Jacobabad and Kashmore had come to the railway station in Jacobabad to bid him farewell. While his departure was portrayed as a permanent migration, Setlani said that only 11 of the followers accompanied the Maharaj. The rest were there to see him off.
The state of law and order and forced conversions in Sindh has made the situation “intolerable”, said Hindu Panchayat Jacobabad President Baboo Mahesh Lakhani. Kidnapping of Hindu traders and children for ransom and extortion is common, he said, but they are not just restricted to Hindus. But when people started playing with our honour, it became intolerable, he said.
“MK, a 15-year-old resident of Gharibabad Mohalla Jacobabad, was kidnapped five days ago and nothing has been done so far.”
Lakhani said that it was wrong to assume that every family boarding a train or bus for Lahore from Jacobabad was migrating to India.
He added that while Hindu families have migrated to India, they don’t get a red carpet welcome there. However, he criticised elected representatives of minorities. They either live in Islamabad or Karachi and the “hot weather of Jacobabad and other areas is keeping them away from us”. Other representatives from Jacobabad, such as Aijaz and Gul Mohammad Jakhrani, have supported them instead. Ramesh Lal, who is the president of Hindu Panchayat Thull, was recently kidnapped by armed men near Khairpur and was kept hostage for 11 days. Lal said that while Muslims are also being kidnapped for ransom, the kidnapping and conversion of Hindu girls was simply intolerable.
According to Lal, most of the Hindu families have migrated from Jacobabad, Thull, Garhi Khairo, Buxapur, Kandhkot and other areas. However migrants usually go to Indore in India, where a large number of Sindhi Hindus are settled. They help them with accommodation and jobs. While most people go to India for religious pilgrimage, about 15% stay back. Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani, the patron in chief of the Pakistan Hindu Council, claimed that dozens of families were migrating to India every month.
It is believed that the families who have migrated are from the middle class who cannot afford to pay extortion money. According to Vankwani, hundreds of families migrated to India in the early 1990s but many returned in 2000. “The law and order situation was satisfactory till 2006 and the issue of migration arose again in 2010,” he said. Sindh minister Mukesh Kumar Chawla said that the reports of migration are exaggerated. “If a Hindu girl is eloping with a Muslim boy of her free will, then what we can do,” he said. He responded to allegations of ignoring Hindus by citing the example of the recovery within 11 days of Ramesh Lal.
The president of the Hindu Panchayat of Karachi Division Amarnath Motumal said that the issues were being politicised. “Which community or sect is safe in Pakistan? Hindus are not migrating but they go on visit visas and come back. The issue is being exploited,” he said. “First, we are Pakistanis and then Hindus. No one shares facts and figures of migrating families. One can’t cry that all Hindus are migrating when a few are moving for certain reasons. People want to live here. They are more secure here than in India. I know they come back after spending a couple of months there.”
With additional reporting by Sameer Mandhro in Karachi
Published in The Express Tribune, August 10th, 2012.
Yap... That is a perfect response Mughal., you are right,Mughal wrote:Dear yeezevee, thanks for sharing these videos I am aware of things that are happening in pakistan but they are not in religious context. Over all situation in pakistan is getting worse and as you know people always target the weaker section of their community. No country needs to go through such like situation but because bankers are making things worse, the stupid masses have no idea which way to turn because of their own stupidity and the rest of the world is even more stupid because they are victimising a country for their own evil ends.
Hindus are not going to treat these pakistani hindus any better than they treat their own hindu population in india, Those hindus are doing same thing to other minorities likewise.
christian converting hindus
There is ample violence inflicted on muslims by hindus in india in various parts.
The main thing for us to realise is that christians upon christian violence needs to be explained, muslim upon muslim violence needs to be explained, hindu upon hindu violence needs to be explained and so on and so forth.
Hindus rape hindus, muslims rape muslims , christians rape christians.
The very same happens within the same country in the very same community.
So the only common factor would be stupidity of masses and active rule of ruling classes ie politicians, priests and bankers. All these factors need to be removed so that people could have any hope for peace, progress and prosperity.
regards and all the best
Ozes wrote:Garbage, Christians do not behave anything like Muslims. Humanists are a small excentric crowd no one cares about, they lack the physical ability and mindset to do such damage,
Christianity ensures that even those who are by nature filled up with testosteron can still manage their carnal desires and agression. Humanism only appeals to a already pacifist crowd.
American nuns resist Vatican rebuke:
OSSINING, N.Y. – As the Vatican accuses American nuns of spending too much time on human rights and helping the poor, some Catholic activists who support them are organizing vigils and petitions to persuade the church to change its mind. "With the sisters, they've worked their fingers to the bone. They deserve more than this," said Eileen Sammon, a parishioner at St. Ann's Church here and a former Dominican nun. "They're like a helicopter hierarchy hovering over the sisters instead of cleaning their own house," referring to the continuing problem of priests' sexual abuse of children.
009.001: (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
009.002: So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
009.003: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve
009.004: Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
009.005: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful
009.006: And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
009.007: How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Messenger; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
009.008: How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.
ShamsTabrez wrote:Hi, Ringmaster.
Can you please quote any verse from Qura´an saying that ´ALL´ kaafirs or non muslims are sub humane and are worthy of being killed?
Now remember only verses from Qura´an and not from some other source and somebody.
If you cannot find one, let me know. I will quote it/them here and then explain them to you. Good Luck.
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