Top 5 Errors in Koran

[iffo]

@Ghaith

As a judge I am unfortunately giving decision against you.
You lost here. It's time to go to the next error which is.

Inheritance problem? Ghaith..please go and fired away?

[Centaur]

loin is an English word and I very much doubt a similar word even exist in Arabic or may not exist in arabic as an equivalent word .All languges are not the same and their naming conventions might be different as well.Its nothing but just manipulating the meaning of words to save Koran.
The most common meaning of this word is definitely Rib. lookjng up the verse in google translate gives the same
Translation

Ws Allah confused!

[Ghaith]

sum,
at first he was quite happy with "backbone", but when that got tricky, suddenly he insisted on loin. Re-definition number 1.

most people would perfectly well understand "loin", as pax pointed out, it's commonly understood to be "below the belt", below the area one would normally wear a belt.

So the area between the loins and the ribs is above the belt, below the ribs, i.e. the stomach.

It's just if you use that common sense definition, you end up saying that according to the quran seminal fluid originates in the stomach.

As Ghaith cannot say such a silly thing, and he also cannot confirm the rather obvious fact that the description in the quran is wrong, he does what he always does, he re-defines the words some more.

Redefinition number 2:

Did you notice that he at first said
loin is

One of the sidesof the lower part of the back(lower than the stomach).

Now he says
about the area between the loins and the ribs,

Goes below the stomach Peter

How is that possible? It does not agree with Ghaith' own definition.

So, he is re-defining again. The part "lower than the stomach" is suddenly included in being in between "lower than the stomach" and "ribs". This obvious nonsense, and a contradiction in itself.

This time he does not even try to give a reason.

As I said at the beginning, by the time Ghaith is finished redefining the text will be so vague that it is completely meaningless, effectively deleted from the quran, abrogated by Ghaith.

So you question is a very good one, but I doubt you get an answer.


This is why he will never see any error in the quran; he simply defines them away.

I took this photo from Wikipedia and marked red what is above the loins According to the photo.


Now since peope are having a hard time they are saying that since i used backbone in the beging i cannot use loins now.

Do any of you idiots now that my action has nothing to do with what is written in the Quran ?

Sulb is used in

4:23

So if i made a error reffering to it as backbone earlier, than i made the Error not the Quran.

Is that so hard to understand


4:23 lays to rest all your translations.


As for Sum, i define Loins as the refer from the genitalia of men on the loins area.

So it is quiet right to say semen comes from between the Loins and the ribs.

And this theori is right with what God means in 86:7 IF ٱلتَّرَآٮِٕبِ ribs, and if it is for both men and women. Its quiet possile the word only refers to women.

[Centaur]

rib is much higher up Muslim Moron.the area you taking about is lower down between the pelvic girdles.by the way its difficult to debate with one keep on changing his stance.I know the culprit which is unclear koran.so we get confused Moslims and 20 diffrent interpretations, all of which failed to save Allah and Koran

[peterpin]

As for Sum, i define Loins as the refer from the genitalia of men on the loins area.

Right so, loins are loins, they define themselves...
More re-definition...(number 3, and counting)

So semen comes from ...ABOVE the loins and BELOW the ribcage, according to you... which is the STOMACH.

But hang on, I just dicovered new way of looking at loins,Ghaith says... they range from genitals to loins, which is wherever I like it to be, because this is a meaningless circular definition, so, hey presto, it all fits again...

Ghaith,just stop, you make yourself look really silly.

Tell me when you want to talk about something seriously...

as iffo, suggests, pick another error.

[Ghaith]

rib is much higher up Muslim Moron.by the way its difficult to debate with one keep on changing his stance.I know the culprit which is unclear koran.
so we get confused Moslims and 20 diffrent interpretations.

When did i ever say ribs are any lower than shown in you photo ?

Right so, loins are loins, they define themselves...
More re-definition...(number 3, and counting)

So semen comes from ...ABOVE the loins and BELOW the ribcage, according to you... which is the STOMACH.

But hang on, I just dicovered new way of looking at loins,Ghaith says... they range from genitals to loins, which is wherever I like it to be, because this is a meaningless circular definition, so, hey presto, it all fits again...

Ghaith,just stop, you make yourself look really silly.

Tell me when you want to talk about something seriously...

as iffo, suggests, pick another error.

Now peter your saying im wrong on y definition for some reason.

Now let look at some definitions for Loins

loins
a. The region of the hips, groin, and lower abdomen.
b. The reproductive organs.

loins [lɔɪnz]
pl n
1. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Anatomy) the hips and the inner surface of the legs where they join the trunk of the body; crotch
2.
a. Euphemistic the reproductive organs
b. Chiefly literary the womb

Noun 1. loins - the lower part of the abdomen just above the external genital organs
pubes, pubic region
region, area - a part of an animal that has a special function or is supplied by a given artery or nerve; "in the abdominal region"
mons, mons pubis, mons veneris - a mound of fatty tissue covering the pubic area in women
2. loins - the region of the hips and groin and lower abdomen
body part - any part of an organism such as an organ or extremity
torso, trunk, body - the body excluding the head and neck and limbs; "they moved their arms and legs and bodies"
groin, inguen - the crease at the junction of the inner part of the thigh with the trunk together with the adjacent region and often including the external genitals

[Ghaith]

Now take a look at 4:23 how it is translated.

Transliteration
Hurrimat AAalaykum ommahatukumwabanatukum waakhawatukum waAAammatukum wakhalatukumwabanatu al-akhi wabanatu al-okhti waommahatukumuallatee ardaAAnakum waakhawatukum mina arradaAAatiwaommahatu nisa-ikum waraba-ibukumu allateefee hujoorikum min nisa-ikumu allateedakhaltum bihinna fa-in lam takoonoo dakhaltum bihinna falajunaha AAalaykum wahala-ilu abna-ikumuallatheena min aslabikum waan tajmaAAoobayna al-okhtayni illa ma qad salafa inna Allahakana ghafooran raheema

Sahih International
Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

Muhsin Khan
Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[ringmaster]

Now take a look at 4:23 how it is translated.

Transliteration
Hurrimat AAalaykum ommahatukumwabanatukum waakhawatukum waAAammatukum wakhalatukumwabanatu al-akhi wabanatu al-okhti waommahatukumuallatee ardaAAnakum waakhawatukum mina arradaAAatiwaommahatu nisa-ikum waraba-ibukumu allateefee hujoorikum min nisa-ikumu allateedakhaltum bihinna fa-in lam takoonoo dakhaltum bihinna falajunaha AAalaykum wahala-ilu abna-ikumuallatheena min aslabikum waan tajmaAAoobayna al-okhtayni illa ma qad salafa inna Allahakana ghafooran raheema

Sahih International
Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

Muhsin Khan
Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Verse 4-23 does not talk about marriage. It talks about sexual intercourse.

[iffo]

@Ghaith
Area between loins and BELOW the ribcage, according to you that's what quran is refering?

That will make stomach area, are you saying that male organs that produce semen are in that area?

[Fernando]

The most common meaning of this word is definitely Rib. lookjng up the verse in google translate gives the same
Translation

Ws Allah confused!

Not at all, Centaur. That was the fallible Google translation engine. You have to use the Allah Infallible Translation Endjinn when it's Clear Arabic. It was specially created to always give whatever result a Muslim needs at the time - it is Everlasting, after all.

[Fernando]

b. Chiefly literary the womb

Now your Allah really has got it back-to-front! Sperm coming from the uterus, instead of ending up there! Silly Allah!

[Ghaith]

@Ghaith
Area between loins and BELOW the ribcage, according to you that's what quran is refering?

That will make stomach area, are you saying that male organs that produce semen are in that area?

It starts under the stomach area. as i pointed out with red.

[iffo]

@Ghaith

The area under the stomach and above the lions is wrong too. In that case you leave the most important part which is testicles which contribute the most important element of semen which is sperms.

So again Quran is wrong.

So let's move on to next error. I conclude that Quran is wrong and you loose this round.

[Ghaith]

@Ghaith

The area under the stomach and above the lions is wrong too. In that case you leave the most important part which is testicles which contribute the most important element of semen which is sperms.

So again Quran is wrong.

So let's move on to next error. I conclude that Quran is wrong and you loose this round.

The testicles doesnt produce the emmited drop (semen).

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

And we are talking about semen.

Silly Iffo

[iffo]

@Ghaith

The area under the stomach and above the lions is wrong too. In that case you leave the most important part which is testicles which contribute the most important element of semen which is sperms.

So again Quran is w

rong.

So let's move on to next error. I conclude that Quran is wrong and you loose this round.

The testicles doesnt produce the emmited drop (semen).

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

And we are talking about semen.

Silly Iffo

You will not be able to get away with it by playing typical muslim games.
We are talking about 'gushing fluid' which is semen, which include sperm.
There is no such thing as semen with out sperms. I hope buddy is old enough to know this personally .

So like I said you lost here, and please defend the next error.

[Ghaith]

Read what i wrote

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

[iffo]

Read what i wrote

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

hehehe hohoho

what you wrote is true, but quran is talking about fluid that creates human life. And just fluid with out sperm does not create life.

Sahih International 86:6
He was created from a fluid, ejected,

Sahih International 86:7
Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.

So sperm has to be part of the fluid, the fluid quran is talking about. And sperms are not produced under stomach but in testicles. See how little buddy is trapped now.

[Ghaith]

Read what i wrote

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

hehehe hohoho

what you wrote is true, but quran is talking about fluid that creates human life. And just fluid with out sperm does not create life.

Sahih International 86:6
He was created from a fluid, ejected,

Sahih International 86:7
Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.

So sperm has to be part of the fluid, the fluid quran is talking about. And sperms are not produced under stomach but in testicles. See how little buddy is trapped now.

Where does semen come from (after sperm has been mixed to it) iffo?

Do you know that?

[Centaur]

its the sperm which causes reproduction.semen is just a carrier. And Allah didnt havve a clue about sperm or the purpose of testis.sperm does not mix with semen to produce semen but produced by seminal vesicle.
by the way abuse of smilies does not save Allahs ass

[Fernando]

sperm from the testicles passes through the ejaculatory ducts and mixes with fluids from the seminal vesicles, the prostate, and the bulbourethral glands to form the semen.

And we are talking about semen.

Bollocks. It's perfectly obvious that the Allah and his amanuensis did not know about spermatozoa. Silly Allah and puppet Mo/ Mo and puppet Allah.