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What I wrote about reading the koran equally applies to the drivel Mr. Moghul writes.

Please, Mr. Moghul, the kaffirs all suffer from ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder ) and will not be able to read your posts without suffering severe trauma to their rationality.

Have pity, Mr. Moghul. Have your say in few simple words. Brevity is the soul of wit.

"As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"— Proverbs 26:11

farishta wrote:What I wrote about reading the koran equally applies to the drivel Mr. Moghul writes.

Please, Mr. Moghul, the kaffirs all suffer from ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder ) and will not be able to read your posts without suffering severe trauma to their rationality.

Have pity, Mr. Moghul. Have your say in few simple words. Brevity is the soul of wit.

"As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"— Proverbs 26:11

Better than suffering from the other ADD: Allah Delusion Disorder.

This Mughal guy seems to be a well-meaning decent Muslims. I am sure he lives an ideal Muslim life with his four wives all of whom he married in their prepubescent years. In keeping with Allah's injunctions, he does not spoil them by sparing the rod.

Like all decent well-meaning Muslims, Moghul thinks that kaffirs are gullible dupes who can be easily beguiled into believing that brutal and barbaric violence oozing from the Koran is, in fact, Allah's compassion.

When Allah says “kill the disbelievers wherever you find them” (2:191), he actually means that tell kaffirs such jokes that they die laughing.

The narrative that Mr. Moghul presents in this forum is an example of such an effort.

The-Quranic-System-of-Sustenance

http://islamicdawn.com/wp-content/uploa ... -Trust.pdf

Centaur wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfqduwXVSgQ

Dear centaur, the main question regarding authenticity of the quran for all of us human beings to answer is, how do we know with certainty beyond any reasonable doubt that the quran is for sure word of God or that it is not?

The day we answer this question with certainty this debate will end one way or the other. However this question is not going to go away any time soon looking at the level of ignorance we human beings find among ourselves.

People declare their faith in the quran not knowing a thing about the quran just as people are declaring it nonsense without ever being able to understand it properly. They are debating each other over the quran but neither party knows for sure what is the actual message in the quran because they never learned the proper way to understand it properly.

This is why I see no point in debating about the quran if we have never read the quran for its proper understanding. The question is, what people need to do for understanding the quran properly? The answer is, they need to learn the proper way for understanding the quran properly.

It is because everything has its necessities eg the quran talks about life and living or a proper way of life. The question is, what is proper way of life? It is way of life that deals with life and living ie livelihood or daily bread etc. That way it talks about clean fresh air for people to breath, clean fresh water to drink and healthy food to eat. If people have security of livelihood then they have time to do other things as told by God. If not then people will keep on wasting their lives away by trying to get their livelihood. This is why then they will never have time for God or humanity.

Can you therefore see why proper way of life matters or should matter for humanity? Just as life is not without its necessities so the quran is not without its necessities for its proper understanding. This is why before anyone could claim one understands the quranic text properly one has to know the proper way to understand the quranic text properly.

This is why I ask anyone and everyone who claims to understand the quranic text properly to kindly explain the proper way of understanding the quranic text properly to me as well so that I could also understand the quran properly otherwise there is no point in talking about the quran or deen of islam with people who are ignorant about all this unless first they learn things they need to learn.

This is why I try to explain the quranic text as I understand it and I explain the rules upon which my interpretation of the quran is based eg see HERE and HERE

regards and all the best.

Mughal

how do we know with certainty beyond any reasonable doubt that the quran is for sure word of God or that it is not?

We know the Quran cannot come from God because it gets things wrong, proving it is a manmade book.

Its explanation of biological reproduction is fatally flawed, as are its errors of the Jews taking a Jewish scribe as a son of God, and the description of the Trinity, as Allah, Jesus and Mary.

All these errors (and more) prove conclusively the Quran is a manmade book, as men are fallible God is not.


Men do not produce any sexual fluid from between the backbone, and women do not produce any sexual fluid which plays a part in human reproduction.

Quran 86.6-7
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an

"Sulb" is the backbone and "tara'ib"the breast- bones, i.e. the ribs. Since the procreative fluid in both man and woman is discharged from that part of the body which is between the back and the breast, it is said that man has been created from the fluid issuing out froth between the back and the breast.”

Ibn Kathir
Quran86.6-7
He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them….
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture.

The Quran tells Muslims the Trinity consists of Allah Jesus and Mary, which is wrong, Mary is not part of the Trinity.Mary is considered a human being in Christian doctrine, not a god.

Ibn Kathir 5.73
Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the third of three.") Mujahid and several others said that this Ayah was revealed about the Christians in particular. As-Suddi and others said that this Ayah was revealed about taking `Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, thus making Allah the third in a trinity.

Jews do not, and never have taken one of their respected scribes as a son of Allah, it would be blasphemy for them to do so.

Quran 9.30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.

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People who write their DR extra big are almost never worth the time.
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