Top 5 Errors in Koran

[Hombre]

haha
see how this lying pubic hair face answers it


Did he say embryionic age!!

This Mohammedans never stops amazing me.Will they be honest a single day before they die. Not to us at least to themselves

Just listen 5 minute this screwed guy, to realize a pathological lier, and pure demagogues.

He gets innocent young Hindus on the podium in front of 15000 useful idiots who go to watch him. He recites (presumably) passages from the HB NT and Hindu scripture where he "proves" that Mohammad and Islam are clearly mentioned - which they are not. Then, convince them to convert into Islam then and there.

[Centaur]

There is no historical evidence that Christians ever took Mary for god, so Mohamed was either on weed or was making up stories as he went along..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1yBMFWmVHQ

[Centaur]

Apostate prophet did a good job explaining this huge error by Mohamed. This also confirms whatever story mohammed heard it appeared in the book as revelation from Allah the next day like Alexander romance, like seven sleepers etc.

[Mughal]

Dear friends, as far as I have managed to understand the quranic text in its proper context so far I have not come across any error in the quran. The reason is I have become aware of the right way of reading the quranic text for its proper understanding which I have explained already in various posts on this forum.

For example, I have explained how words came about and how they got their meanings in human language. These meanings can be the ones already used by people as well as possible meanings which will become obvious in the time to come or in future.

All dictionaries people ever wrote so far only contain meanings of words already used by people throughout times and places. No dictionary contains future meanings of words, why not? This was most important things to do because that is how human beings have been using their languages ie people invented a word and then their later generations always modified it for their use and this is a clear proof that words do contain future meanings within them or they could not be modified or used that way.

However when people modified meanings of already existing words they used a mechanism for this purpose and by using that very same mechanism we can get almost all possible meanings of those words.

Why understanding this idea is vitally important? It is because of revelation of God's message in human language. It is true that we human beings do not know future but God is not same as us rather he ought to know past, present and future all the same. It is because he is seeing all from outside our human world. To God past, present and future is like a plate of food in front of a person so he knows what is in the plate and where etc.

Since we human beings are very limited in our ability to know things we cannot say same about God. This is why we should not treat his revealed message the same way as a book written by a human being.

God revealed the quran for all times to come till the end of the world. Since it is a book that was revealed for all people of all times and places therefore its words could not be limited to its own time of revelation or God could not talk in it about future at all as people did not know their future.

This is why unless people accept the point I am making they cannot understand how the quran should be understood by them. This will keep people confused due to their own ignorance about things and the consequences are painful suffering of people themselves by hands of each other because they are not putting right amount of effort in right sort of way to make proper sense of God sent message to be able to live by it properly.

If we want to suffer painfully forever in this world by hands of each other due to our remaining ignorant about God advised way of life for us then that is up to us but if we want a great life in this world then we have no choice but to learn God sent message as it ought to learned so that we could then adopt it for ensuring our own well being with each other's help and full support as a proper human community in this kingdom of God called the universe.

I had to explain this because people are arguing over words used in the quran about their meanings. This explanation is more than sufficient to settle this issue for good regarding origin of words and their meanings. If anyone has any better idea please share in this regard.

In post after post I have been explaining the point that it is no issue at all to argue over meanings of words because human language is very colourful when it comes to words and their meanings.

In my other posts I have explained the point that words have many different meanings as well as the way how to choose which meaning or meanings of a word are to be chosen for a particular place in the quran. It is because the quranic text has its own over all proper context.

The context can be decided by giving each and every word such meanings which do not introduce any contradiction within the quranic text. Not only that but they should not cause any conflict between the quranic text and real world realities. If any meanings are causing this then they are not right therefore not acceptable.

One may think but that way we ourselves are trying to show quranic text free of all contradictions within and conflicts with real world realities. This appears to be true but if there was a real conflict within the quranic text or between the quranic text and the real world realities then we could not remove it merely by our linguistic skills otherwise no case in court could ever be deciding because none can play with words forever. If an apparent contradiction can be removed by some reasonable explanation then that proves it was not a contradiction in actual fact but our own lack of proper understanding of the point.

What is proper context of the quranic text?

The quran is a program from God for people to let them know what they need to learn and do in this world in order to fulfil it so that the purpose for which God created everything including people becomes fulfilled. This is why he advised a way of life for mankind to live by so that they could carry out the program given to them by God. The purpose of God's creation has been explained already in my other posts. This purpose of God people cannot fulfil till they become one under God in the kingdom of God. This is why the quran wants mankind to be an ummah or a proper human community which ensures well being of all its members by helping and fully supporting each other in the kingdom of God.

This is why there is no concept of individualism in deen of islam wherein people mind their own business as individuals and let happen to anyone anything. It is because that is a selfish way of life based upon foundation of personal gains at the expense of each other whereby each person tries to benefit himself regardless of what harm or destruction happens to other people as a result. Deen of islam is about people living for ensuring well being of each other.

This is why kingdom of God cannot be brought about by people by forcing each other for its acceptance but by mutual struggle for ensuring well being of humanity. This is why if people want kingdom of God to come then they must educate themselves about it and help others educate themselves so that all people could see benefits of living under true rule of law of God in the kingdom of God. Once people see that by themselves through reasoning then they will be glad to be part of it than live away from it because therein they will have blissful, dignified and secure existence as a proper human community. This is how human beings can fulfil their end of bargain with God and that is how God will fulfil his promises to them and both will be happy with each other.

[sum]

Hello Mughal

There is so much that can be written to show the flaws in your post but I will limit my reply by asking if Muhammad properly understood the true meaning of the Koran by his words and deeds?

sum

[Mughal]

Hello Mughal

There is so much that can be written to show the flaws in your post but I will limit my reply by asking if Muhammad properly understood the true meaning of the Koran by his words and deeds?

sum

Dear sum, we need to realise that God created man from other creatures knowing nothing at all and left him on his own to learn things in this universe all by himself using all that was available to him in his given environment. Human beings therefore used their brains and senses and bodies to learn things through direct and then indirect experiences by interacting with already existing things and each other. This is very important point to remember. It is in opposition to what most religious people believe eg christians and muslims. They believe God created man perfect and then he made a mistake. Christian believe that sin was unforgivable without jesus dying on the cross and muslims believe God forgave him when he asked for it but adam was not reinstated back to his original status, so what kind of forgiveness was that?

The quran tells us things differently ie God created two kinds of things a) fully programmed nonliving things and b) partially programmed living things. Then from partially programmed things he created things with ability of choice and from among them only human beings are given the ability to use their ability of choice to its utmost. Human beings were created later because they were created to learn from other created things which already existed before them which were programmed to do things and human being copied them and gradually became their teachers.

Once odd human beings developed enough through self learning by way of interactions with other things and each other, they saw there was more to life than met the eyes. This is when they sought guidance of their creator and sustainer and they were provided with it. This is when God started revealing to humanity his messages but as this process was started with adam so it was ended with last of the messengers ie muhammad.

Without this guidance most of the human beings were very bad to each other and after this guidance some became very good who accepted the messages and adopted them while others remained very bad to each other who rejected the messages.

People who were sent as messengers by God for delivering his messages to humanity were always the top most people from among human beings of their time and place, particularly in respect of knowledge. However humans are humans and cannot be free from making mistakes. The quran tells us even messengers of God made odd mistakes here and there but over all they were a great people.

The quran does not tell us to follow anyone but to live by rule of law of God and to support those who try to do that. Deen of islam is a mission from God for human beings via the last messenger of God and all who agree with this mission must support it so that it brings about for them blissful, dignified and secure existence with their help and support as a proper human community in this kingdom of God called the universe.

What I have explained so far is the fact that there are no beings with supernatural powers and human beings are only human beings at most. Messengers of God made mistakes but not the kind of mistakes people attribute to them in their books. Book from God himself clears them of all deliberate wrong doings.

What people need to do is question the books written by people as to why they accuse messengers of God of gross misconduct or gross misbehaviour or gross crimes against humanity. I have already explained my reasons in detail. The main question is who has been controlling masses through out times and places? How they were able to do so and why they did it?

Originally people knew nothing and gradually they learned things by interacting with things and each other in their own environments. As a result human beings developed so many beliefs and practices to deal with problems that faced them on daily basis. This is how religions came about which became organised over time. Since odd people from among them wanted to know the truth so there came to them revelations from God. The messages God sent for human beings were sent to inform them about many vitally important things which they ought to know for living in this world properly.

However by the time some realised the need for guidance from God almost all human beings had already developed their own concept about God and things and they had organised their societies the way they saw fit. Moreover God revealed concepts and practices contradicted what people believed and practised so some people opposed messages of God for those reasons as well and they still do the same due to their emotional attachments to those ideas and practices and some tried to turn God sent messages into religious messages due to their ignorance or for suiting themselves.

So when God started sending his messages and messengers they came across severe opposition by those who were in charge over masses. All because they took over each other by force shedding a lot of blood. So much so that they ended up looking for a way out of this situation. This is how adam the first messenger of God brought about a proper human community in the kingdom of God for ensuring their well being with help and full support of each other. At the time of adam only iblis and his supporters opposed adam and his company of people who supported his mission. Adam was successful in bringing about a kingdom based upon guidance of God here on this earth. However conspiracies by iblis and his people brought down the kingdom that was brought about by adam due to some people in the company of adam who were misled by them. They were misled through idea of becoming kings of people instead of living by rule of law of God as adam told them ie to live as one human family under God.

The quran fully explains what has been going on through out ages but it has been masked by mullas through their senseless interpretations of the quran. Why they did that is a serious question to be asked? Were they ignorant or did they do this deliberately on behest of rulers and money lenders and for their own personal gains at the expense of humanity?

Once mullas misinterpreted the quranic message since then if anyone interpreted the quran any other way he was persecuted and killed with help of rulers through their laws in the names of theri religions. History tells us many people who were scholars of the quran were killed who disagreed with mullas. Why rulers backed mullas and money lenders and in return they backed them up? Why rulers, money lender and mullas appear to be working together against well being of masses all over the world? Why most of the masses are kept ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained and unable to think for themselves throughout the world even today? To me it seems a planned thing by people who are actual decision makers who control the masses by their various tricks and mechanisms eh power and wealth pyramid and religious hierarchies. It is all conspiracy against rule of law of God in this world because if that rule of law is brought about in this world then none will have any right to use anyone abusively which almost all rulers, money lenders, mullas, their touts and supporters do. This is why deen of islam is undermined by them in various ways eg by means of misinterpretations of the scripture and its misrepresentations. By its undue and inappropriate criticism to show faults in it which in actual fact are not there and by false propaganda against it.

However all this is going to be overcome as time moves on because as people who oppose real deen of islam fail in their endeavours to keep it away the rule of law of God will become a reality through fight by masses themselves as they wake up to real world realities. The tight grip of rulers, money lenders and mullas over masses is gradually becoming lose because people on the top are failing to cope with real world daily problems of humanity. It is becoming very hard for them to keep people confused and under their tight control for much longer. So learned people among humanity must learn the truth and support it instead of opposing it out of their ignorance and playing in hands of their such enemies who are in actual fact enemies of humanity and God.

regards and all the best.

[frankie]

Mughal

What people need to do is question the books written by people as to why they accuse messengers of God of gross misconduct or gross misbehaviour or gross crimes against humanity.

These accusations against Mohamed, like condoning rape of female captives and marrying a child of six, were perfectly acceptable to the Muslims who recorded them, they did not see them as gross misconduct or gross misbehaviour, they wrote about them because they viewed Mohammed as their perfect example in all thing Islamic, they are therefore perfectly acceptable, as they are today..
Do you think raping women is acceptable today?
Do you think marrying children at age nine is acceptable today?

The quran does not tell us to follow anyone but to live by rule of law of God..

The laws of Allah are not the same as the laws of YHWH, they diametrically oppose them, which should not be the case as the Quran claims to come from the same God.

The laws of YHWH command love for God, and love for all people regardless of faith, no one is above another as all are equal in the sight of YHWH.

Conversely, Allah tells Muslims are told they are “the best of peoples “who should only have love for fellow Muslims, as Allah has no love for “unbelievers” who are the “worst of creatures “”cursed by Allah,” enemies of Islam and its people “who should be fought for the sole reason they are not Muslim.

Fighting people just because they do not believe as you do is not a good enough reason to do so, neither is this the message preached by all true propjets of God, who preached repentance from sin and to obey God’s commands, based on love, NOT hate.

The god of Islam proves time and again not to be the god it claims to be, which makes Allah a liar, and liars according to the Bible, the very book the Quran affirms to be “truth, guidance and light” lead people away from God, not towards God.

Your apologetics for your faith condemn it as the fraud it truly is, turning you into a victim of its falsehood.

[sum]

Hello Mughal

I sometimes believe that Muhammad causes you a lot of distress because you will never engage in a discussion about Muhammad. Is this because you really know that Muhammad was no real prophet at all or that you do not approve of his words and deeds even though he was a prophet?

Please tell me why you will not discuss Muhamad`s words and deeds. However, I think you must believe in him as you are more than willing to follow the "deen" that he created. It would be odd if you did not believe that Muhamad was a prophet but accepted his deen as it would mean that the deen was only man made.

You did not tell me which deen that you preferred - the deen of Jesus or that of Muhammad. Which is it?

The point that everyone should understand is that Muhammad was the only link between mankind and Allah. If Muhammad is shown to be a false prophet then the whole of Islam is false and should be discarded without any blasphemy as there is no Allah to blaspheme against.

I think that it is long overdue for you to come clean on your views about Muhammad.

sum

[Fernando]

Mughal can't find any errors in the Koran because he's corrected them all for his new edition.

[Hombre]

Knowing Muhammad's own nefarious behavior As you Dr sum had pointed out may explain the reasons why our friend mughal never mentions Muhammad by name - only the Quran which for intensive purpose are Muhammad's own words.