Al-Buraq

[marduk]

Al-Burāq (al-Burāq "lightning") is a mythological steed, described as a creature from the heavens which transported the prophets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

PEGASOS (or Pegasus) was an immortal, winged horse which sprang forth from the neck of Medousa when she was beheaded by the hero Perseus. Pegasos was tamed by Bellerophon, a Korinthian hero, who rode him into battle against the fire-breathing Khimaira. Later, after the hero attempted to fly to heaven, the gods caused the horse to buck, throwing him back down to earth. Pegasos continued to wing its way to heaven where it took a place in the stables of Zeus.

The horse was also placed amongst the stars as a constellation, whose rising marked the arrival of the warmer weather of spring and seasonal rainstorms. As such he was often named thunderbolt-bearer of Zeus.
http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HipposPegasos.html

Gee, how come Allah has the same flying horse as the pagan god Zeus? What up wit dat? Never had there been the slightest mention of a winged horse in ANY Abrahamic scripture until AFTER the Greeks had made one up and THEN Muhammad claimed that Allah suddenly got one too. We know that Muhammad was acquainted with Greek literature, because he used the word "injil" instead of "gospel". He took some Greek stuff, some Syrian stuff and some Persian stuff and mixed them all together then added a dash of Arab paganism and called it Islam, making Allah look like a god who was stitched together from a bunch of scraps from other nations. Allah has the flying horse of Zeus, a bridge to hell like the Persians, likes to see a well trimmed Penis-tip like the Jews, doesn't like the sabbath as much as was originally thought like the Christians and likes the Kaaba and its stone to be venerated like the Arab pagans. Lets just say "Sybil" had fewer personalities than Allah.

[Fernando]

Does a Muslim have to believe in a buraq, or in djinn? Or angels, demons, spirits or anything else apart from Allah and Mohammed?

[Ghaith]

Zeus Horse doesnt have a human face does it?

[Fernando]

Zeus Horse doesnt have a human face does it?

Not that I've heard. So now we need to know whether the buraq is an embellishment of an old story or a newly made-up one. Which do you go for, Ghaith?
And can you help with my earlier question please? Do Muslims have to believe in buraq, djinn, angels and the like?

[peterpin]

This is a pegasus:


It's a creature from Greek mythology...

These are two early Islamic depictions of Mohammed on buraq (notice how the face of Mohammeds is not drawn)



The interesing part of the two paintings are the TAILS.
In one picture buraq has a cow's tail, in the other a peacock's tail. Also look at the hoofs: They are split,like in a cow...


This is telling us something about were the idea was taken from:



The Hindi Goddess Shri Kamadhenu is sometimes depicted as a cow, but also as a winged cow with a peacock's tail and the head of a woman,and a crown.

The Greek and the Indian mythology got mixed together, and we get a horse, instead of a cow,with a cow's or a peacock tail, and a crowned woman's head.

It seems Mohammed,not content to be the "fulfilment" of Judaeism and Christianity, is also saying that he can ride on Hindu godesses.

[Fernando]

It seems Mohammed,not content to be the "fulfilment" of Judaeism and Christianity, is also saying that he can ride on Hindu godesses.

It figures - after all, the Muslims raped India. So the symbolism becomes clear.

[Ghaith]

This is a pegasus:


It's a creature from Greek mythology...

These are two early Islamic depictions of Mohammed on buraq (notice how the face of Mohammeds is not drawn)



The interesing part of the two paintings are the TAILS.
In one picture buraq has a cow's tail, in the other a peacock's tail. This is telling us something about were the idea was taken from:



The Hindi Goddess Shri Kamadhenu is sometimes depicted as a cow, but also as a winged cow with a peacock's tail and the head of a woman,and a crown.

The Greek and the Indian mythology got mixed together, and we get a horse, instead of a cow,with a cow's or a peacock tail, and a crowned woman's head.

It seems Mohammed,not content to be the "fulfilment" of Judaeism and Christianity, is also saying that he can ride on Hindu godesses.

You knowledge is scaring peter. I can gain more knowledge from you than from school. And i tought Mesmorial was amazing Greek Spanish Indoniasian Germany France Latin Barnabas Islam Christianty Judaism and now Hindu.
You must have quiet a successful job where you can live in diferent countries. Are you a diplomat?

There are 3 things that makes this thing really not even worth considiring
1. Coincidence
2.The hindus stole the idea after (unless you can provide a scripture that differs).
3. That is a Buraq and the Hindu misunderstood it and tought it was a god.
4. Buraq didnt look like that and they stole it from Hindus.
4.5. Hadith that describes the burqa is fabricated (the bukhari one doesnt but im unsure if others do say the animal had a female head).
4.8 Quran never mentiones it 17:1Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.


Now point 3 as i mentioned earilier, the hindu religion can be divine from Allah also as he sent messenger and prophets to all nations including India.
Muhammad is mentioned in the Hindu scriptures that are up to 9000 years old. (debunks the bible 6000years conspiracy).

[peterpin]

2.The hindus stole the idea after (unless you can provide a scripture that differs).
3. That is a Buraq and the Hindu misunderstood it and tought it was a god.
4. Buraq didnt look like that and they stole it from Hindus.
4.5. Hadith that describes the burqa is fabricated
4.8 Quran never mentiones it 17:1Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

If you suppose a coincidence, then you need to ask how likely it is. Looka closely at the drawings, tails and heads match.The hoof of buraq look like cows feet. The woman's head and the crown. To me,that are too many conincidences.

The Bhagavad Gita, a discourse by the god Krishna in the Mahabharata, twice refers to Kamadhenu as Kamadhuk, in verse 3.10, for example.The text has been dated as between 200BC to 200AD, so, the Hindus could not have got the idea from Muslims.

Buraq is a mythological creature, and that means she has been made to look like that by people. The real question is WHY LIKE THAT,and not any other way?

The story of the buraq is not mentioned in the quran, so it is reasonable to think of it as an embellishment of the verse in the quran you mention. A kind of folk-tale, perhaps.

But the quran says that Mohammed travelled to the al-Aqsa mosque and back again over night. Maybe it was a dream by Mohammed?

Now, there is another, VERY odd thing here:

If you look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosquehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

We are told that tthe absolute earliest date we have for any mosque at all where al-qsa now stands is 679,which is well after Mohammed's death. So how did he travel to a mosque that was not built yet?

[Islamvskuffars]

2.The hindus stole the idea after (unless you can provide a scripture that differs).
3. That is a Buraq and the Hindu misunderstood it and tought it was a god.
4. Buraq didnt look like that and they stole it from Hindus.
4.5. Hadith that describes the burqa is fabricated
4.8 Quran never mentiones it 17:1Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

If you suppose a coincidence, then you need to ask how likely it is. Looka closely at the drawings, tails and heads match.The hoof of buraq look like cows feet. The woman's head and the crown. To me,that are too many conincidences.

The Bhagavad Gita, a discourse by the god Krishna in the Mahabharata, twice refers to Kamadhenu as Kamadhuk, in verse 3.10, for example.The text has been dated as between 200BC to 200AD, so, the Hindus could not have got the idea from Muslims.

Buraq is a mythological creature, and that means she has been made to look like that by people. The real question is WHY LIKE THAT,and not any other way?

The story of the buraq is not mentioned in the quran, so it is reasonable to think of it as an embellishment of the verse in the quran you mention. A kind of folk-tale, perhaps.

But the quran says that Mohammed travelled to the al-Aqsa mosque and back again over night. Maybe it was a dream by Mohammed?

Now, there is another, VERY odd thing here:

If you look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosquehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

We are told that tthe absolute earliest date we have for any mosque at all where al-qsa now stands is 679,which is well after Mohammed's death. So how did he travel to a mosque that was not built yet?

Very true the Buraq might be a rip off the hindus, but remember Hindu scripture might be divine aswell.

Solomons temple is Masjid al Aqsa.

[Ghaith]

Islamvs

No where is the Buraq mentioned by detail as i know. But as you stated the Buraq can be a "rip off" the weird cow.

How ever, as the quran never mentiones anything i choose to look at what ever muhammad flew on if it was a Buraq or He flew him self or he flew on gabriel/Gabriel grabed him and flew. All a option

Peter

Sulaymen mosque(temple) is older than Jesus no?

[Islamvskuffars]

Islamvs

No where is the Buraq mentioned by detail as i know. But as you stated the Buraq can be a "rip off" the weird cow.

How ever, as the quran never mentiones anything i choose to look at what ever muhammad flew on if it was a Buraq or He flew him self or he flew on gabriel/Gabriel grabed him and flew. All a option

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 227:
Narrated Abbas bin Malik:

Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven.

When he asked for the gate to be opened, it was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has Muhammad been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the first heaven, I saw Adam there. Gabriel said (to me). 'This is your father, Adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened.

When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the third heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the third heaven there I saw Joseph. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Joseph; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fourth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excel lent visit his is!'

The gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Idris. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Idris; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fifth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked. 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is! So when I went over the fifth heaven, there I saw Harun (i.e. Aaron), Gabriel said, (to me). This is Aaron; pay him your greetings.' I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the sixth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked. 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. It was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!'

When I went (over the sixth heaven), there I saw Moses. Gabriel said (to me),' This is Moses; pay him your greeting. So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' When I left him (i.e. Moses) he wept. Someone asked him, 'What makes you weep?' Moses said, 'I weep because after me there has been sent (as Prophet) a young man whose followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the seventh heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!'

So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) . Behold ! There ran four rivers, two were hidden and two were visible, I asked, 'What are these two kinds of rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied,' As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'

Then Al-Bait-ul-Ma'mur (i.e. the Sacred House) was shown to me and a container full of wine and another full of milk and a third full of honey were brought to me. I took the milk. Gabriel remarked, 'This is the Islamic religion which you and your followers are following.' Then the prayers were enjoined on me: They were fifty prayers a day. When I returned, I passed by Moses who asked (me), 'What have you been ordered to do?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.' Moses said, 'Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden.' So I went back, and Allah reduced ten prayers for me. Then again I came to Moses, but he repeated the same as he had said before. Then again I went back to Allah and He reduced ten more prayers. When I came back to Moses he said the same, I went back to Allah and He ordered me to observe ten prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he repeated the same advice, so I went back to Allah and was ordered to observe five prayers a day.

When I came back to Moses, he said, 'What have you been ordered?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to observe five prayers a day.' He said, 'Your followers cannot bear five prayers a day, and no doubt, I have got an experience of the people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel, so go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your follower's burden.' I said, 'I have requested so much of my Lord that I feel ashamed, but I am satisfied now and surrender to Allah's Order.' When I left, I heard a voice saying, 'I have passed My Order and have lessened the burden of My Worshipers."



No where is there a human head with a crown and makeup.

[Fernando]

There are 3 things that makes this thing really not even worth considiring
1. Coincidence
2.The hindus stole the idea after (unless you can provide a scripture that differs).
3. That is a Buraq and the Hindu misunderstood it and tought it was a god.
4. Buraq didnt look like that and they stole it from Hindus.
4.5. Hadith that describes the burqa is fabricated (the bukhari one doesnt but im unsure if others do say the animal had a female head).
4.8 Quran never mentiones it 17:1Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

So you are saying that the story is invented. Another chunk of Islamic tradition down the drain, then. Where will it all end?

[Ghaith]

There are 3 things that makes this thing really not even worth considiring
1. Coincidence
2.The hindus stole the idea after (unless you can provide a scripture that differs).
3. That is a Buraq and the Hindu misunderstood it and tought it was a god.
4. Buraq didnt look like that and they stole it from Hindus.
4.5. Hadith that describes the burqa is fabricated (the bukhari one doesnt but im unsure if others do say the animal had a female head).
4.8 Quran never mentiones it 17:1Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

So you are saying that the story is invented. Another chunk of Islamic tradition down the drain, then. Where will it all end?

The story is not invented.
The animal with a human face might be.
The quran nor hadith apparently mentiones anything about the face.

[peterpin]

Solomons temple is Masjid al Aqsa.

?
Yes, the temple of Solomon was long before Jesus, it was completed about 951BC, give or take a bit...


But the first Jerusalem Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian armies in 587 BC, the Second Temple in 70AD by the Romans.The first al-aqsa mosque built after Mohammed was built about 679AD.

So at what mosque did Mohammed stop to pray in on his journey? Or did he just dream the whole thing? There was nothing much there at all on the temple mount during the time of Mohammed...

[Fernando]

The story is not invented.
The animal with a human face might be.
The quran nor hadith apparently mentiones anything about the face.

OK, but how much of the story is accurate? a) Mohammed's night journey by supernatural means with or without b) some kind of flying animal to ride on c) an animal which is not just a plain animal but special - like having wings or, as I have seen written, able to take truly gigantic strides the size of mountains?

[Ghaith]

The story is not invented.
The animal with a human face might be.
The quran nor hadith apparently mentiones anything about the face.

OK, but how much of the story is accurate? a) Mohammed's night journey by supernatural means with or without b) some kind of flying animal to ride on c) an animal which is not just a plain animal but special - like having wings or, as I have seen written, able to take truly gigantic strides the size of mountains?

According to Quran it unknown Muhammad
According to Bukhari Hadith

Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me.

[marduk]

Very good, Peterpin. Yeah, it must be a combination of Pegasus and Shri Kamadhenu. This proves that the Kaaba really was an ancient Hindu shrine and "Muhammad's footprint" is really Vishnu's footprint. The Kaaba is a Theertha Sthana, a holy place of pilgrimage associated with a water source, in this case the Zam Zam well. Mountains may also be involved. There was probably a depiction of the Hindu cow god in the Kaaba while Muhammad was alive, or around Mecca somewhere.

Theertha means sacred water and Theertha sthala or Theertha Kshetra is a sacred or a holy spot. It could be a river, a lake, or an ocean, or even a mountain that is made sacred through association with a deity or a saint. It is spiritual, sacred and celestial.A pilgrimage is a Theertha Yatra and a pilgrim is a theerthayatri, the place where the Theertha is located is called Theertha Kshetra or Theertha Sthana.Sthala purana, Kshetra Mahatya, speaks about a particular place/Theertha, its significance, culture and traditions in that place. These places are used by the great sages for their spiritual activities which are evident from the sthala puranas. They have gained prominence depending on the merits of Theertha or the deity or the saint associated with.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 809AA6OxiR

[Ghaith]

Solomons temple is Masjid al Aqsa.

?journey? Or did he just dream the whole thing? There was nothing much there at all on the temple mount during the time of Mohammed...

i belive it was 710 not 679?

Anyways just because it wasnt built as a building doesnt mean he couldnt have prayed in the ruins.

A mosque doesnt necessary mean a inbuilt place.

[Ghaith]

Dont embarrass your self so much Marduk with statements like

This proves that the Kaaba really was an ancient Hindu shrine and "Muhammad's footprint" is really Vishnu's footprint. The Kaaba is a Theertha Sthana

That the Buraq looks like a Hindu god is just some the Muslims in India made up. No hadith says this, the quran doesnt even say he flew on something at all.
The Hindus probably wanted to keep some of their ancient culture so they made drawing of Muhammad and that animal with a human face.
And than you give Yahoo Answers as a source?

[yeezevee]

Yes.. yes ..Al-Buraq.. Night Travel.. Images of Prophet of Islam .. Al-Aqsa Mosque of Jerusalem and all that








Yap Half Horse, half ass., Good looking women face., In the minds of righteous Muslims specially Males., Prophet of Islam always rides a woman