can muslims be friends with infidels ?

[ecks_why]

can muslims be friends with infidels ? what does the koran say about this topic ? what do the imams preach in the mosques ? from Pickthall's translation, the koran seems very clear, a big NO. i think Pickthall's translation is a good starting point because it tries to use a literal approach for the arabic, which makes it easy to search for phrases because he is consistent (plus i found a nice downloadable text copy

i will look into this topic further poking around some koran topic indexes & commentaries etc. i have a fairly good idea how xtians would handle a topic like this that appears 15 times in the new testament, ie. some would agree & follow the book, some would find another verse to cancel it out, some would explain it away via contextual blather etc etc

but the bottom line is, the verses are in the koran & quite easy to interpret these things as needed for whatever the situation

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3-28
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Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
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4-89
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They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
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4-139
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Those who choose disbelievers for their friends instead of believers! Do they look for power at their hands? Lo! all power appertaineth to Allah.
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4-144
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O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
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5-51
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O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
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5-57
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O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.
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5-80
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Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them : that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide.
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5-81
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If they believed in Allah and the Prophet and that which is revealed unto him, they would not choose them for their friends. But many of them are of evil conduct.
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9-23
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O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong doers.
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18-102
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Do the disbelievers reckon that they can choose My bondmen as protecting friends beside Me? Lo! We have prepared hell as a welcome for the disbelievers.
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22-3 & 22-4
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Among mankind is he who disputeth concerning Allah without knowledge, and followeth each froward devil;
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For him it is decreed that whoso taketh him for friend, be verily will mislead him and will guide him to the punishment of the Flame.
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58-14
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Hast thou not seen those who take for friends a folk with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear a false oath knowingly.
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60-1
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O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for friends. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way.
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60-9
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Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them--(All) such are wrong doers.
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60-13
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O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves.
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[ecks_why]

BINGO the first place i looked verified my guess

http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/F/friends.html

The Qur'an very emphatically demands that Muslims do NOT befriend non-Muslims. However, in some cases Allah permits his followers to lie and use deception against unbelievers who may think that Muslims are their friends.

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying. S. 3:28 Pickthall

Allah is basically telling Muslims that they can pretend to be friends to unbelievers in order to receive their protection, or to protect themselves from them! Here are Ibn Kathir's comments on this verse:

The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,...

<And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way> meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,...

[ecks_why]

even the topic index at mooselimb central has the topic so i guess it is mainstream islam

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/TOPICQ/F.htm

Friends 8:72, 41:34, 60:7
avoid active disbelievers 3:28, 3:118-120, 4:139, 5:57, 15:94, 58:14, 60:1, 60:13
leave company of those in the act of mocking God's law 4:140, 6:68, 28:55
forbidden are those who fight against you because of your religion 60:9

[Ozes]

Shun Family members:
9:23
O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
29;8
We have enjoined on man kindness to parents; but if they strive to make thee join with Me that of which thou hast no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return and I shall tell you what ye used to do.

[marduk]

So if a Muslim acts like your friend then he is either just pretending to be your friend (for nefarious Islamic purposes) or he is an infidel to Islam. I wonder which it is. I knew that guy at the convenience store was faking it. He was selling the "I'm your buddy" thing way too hard.

[Ozes]

haha, i have had many Muslim friends. I found a plenty of xenophobic Muslims, highly manipulative ones, and a few generally good and honorable guys. Islam does seep trough ones soul and corrodes ones character though, no doubt. I never have seen someone become a better person by investing more of himself or herself in Islam, the more Muslim someone becomes, the higher their stresslevel and the more they have to cut down their own morals to fit their ideas in the religion of our favorite massmurderer Muhammed.

But its true that a devout Muslim will not take non-muslim friends, only for the cause of Allah's snackbar.

[zitouni]

can muslims be friends with infidels ? what does the koran say about this topic ? what do the imams preach in the mosques ? from Pickthall's translation, the koran seems very clear, a big NO. i think Pickthall's translation is a good starting point because it tries to use a literal approach for the arabic, which makes it easy to search for phrases because he is consistent (plus i found a nice downloadable text copy

i will look into this topic further poking around some koran topic indexes & commentaries etc. i have a fairly good idea how xtians would handle a topic like this that appears 15 times in the new testament, ie. some would agree & follow the book, some would find another verse to cancel it out, some would explain it away via contextual blather etc etc

but the bottom line is, the verses are in the koran & quite easy to interpret these things as needed for whatever the situation

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3-28
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Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
==========
4-89
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They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
==========
4-139
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Those who choose disbelievers for their friends instead of believers! Do they look for power at their hands? Lo! all power appertaineth to Allah.
==========
4-144
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O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
==========
5-51
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O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
==========
5-57
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O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.
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5-80
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Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them : that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide.
==========
5-81
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If they believed in Allah and the Prophet and that which is revealed unto him, they would not choose them for their friends. But many of them are of evil conduct.
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9-23
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O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong doers.
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18-102
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Do the disbelievers reckon that they can choose My bondmen as protecting friends beside Me? Lo! We have prepared hell as a welcome for the disbelievers.
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22-3 & 22-4
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Among mankind is he who disputeth concerning Allah without knowledge, and followeth each froward devil;
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For him it is decreed that whoso taketh him for friend, be verily will mislead him and will guide him to the punishment of the Flame.
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58-14
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Hast thou not seen those who take for friends a folk with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear a false oath knowingly.
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60-1
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O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for friends. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way.
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60-9
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Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them--(All) such are wrong doers.
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60-13
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O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves.
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One has to read Koran in Arabic in order to have the right understanding of the words in the veres.In Arabic koran the word friends is Awliya-a . so what is the meaning of that word and how Arabs understand it and use it . Nobody has ever used that word to refer to their friends . When it is used they usually mean parents , or guardians meaning somebody who is responsible for you . In school the administration may ask you to bring your Waliy (singular for Awliya-a ) when you did something wrong certainely they do not mean bring your child friend .
or when a lady want to get married the notary who is going to write the marriage contract will ask lady to bring her Waliy because the prophet said that no marriage is valid without the waliy of the lady certainely he does not mean bring your friend to authorise the marriage.

[marduk]

Once they go Muslim, that's it, they're goners, unless you make an intervention. You have to tie him up in your basement and show him videos of normal people doing normal stuff. He'll resist for a while, but eventually it will start to register in the primitive parts of his brain which are still active. You have to gradually wean him into normalcy. Don't bring the bacon double cheeseburger out right away. That would only spook him. He'd know something was up. Wait til day three for that, when he's able to take it. If he asks silly questions like "why are you doing this" or "what do you want", just ignore him. He's delirious.

[Ozes]

One has to read Koran in Arabic in order to have the right understanding of the words in the veres.In Arabic koran the word friends is Awliya-a . so what is the meaning of that word and how Arabs understand it and use it . Nobody has ever used that word to refer to their friends . When it is used they usually mean parents , or guardians meaning somebody who is responsible for you . In school the administration may ask you to bring your Waliy (singular for Awliya-a ) when you did something wrong certainely they do not mean bring your child friend .
or when a lady want to get married the notary who is going to write the marriage contract will ask lady to bring her Waliy because the prophet said that no marriage is valid without the waliy of the lady certainely he does not mean bring your friend to authorise the marriage.

No, we can read the quran in any language we want. There are over 15 translations, is each of these translators incapable of translating a small, simple, easy to read book?

We have amazing translations of plato and other greek philosophers, who complicate their matters far greater then the book Muhammed has given you, yet we can enjoy and understand these books perfectly. I'm aware the word for protected, guardian, friend is the same in Arab but its clear Muhammed meant friend as well. Why else would he repeat the same verses with the same word Awliya more then 8 times?

Also, 3:118 doesn't want you to befriend anyone intimately, its quite clear what is meant right?

[zitouni]

One has to read Koran in Arabic in order to have the right understanding of the words in the veres.In Arabic koran the word friends is Awliya-a . so what is the meaning of that word and how Arabs understand it and use it . Nobody has ever used that word to refer to their friends . When it is used they usually mean parents , or guardians meaning somebody who is responsible for you . In school the administration may ask you to bring your Waliy (singular for Awliya-a ) when you did something wrong certainely they do not mean bring your child friend .
or when a lady want to get married the notary who is going to write the marriage contract will ask lady to bring her Waliy because the prophet said that no marriage is valid without the waliy of the lady certainely he does not mean bring your friend to authorise the marriage.

No, we can read the quran in any language we want. There are over 15 translations, is each of these translators incapable of translating a small, simple, easy to read book?

We have amazing translations of plato and other greek philosophers, who complicate their matters far greater then the book Muhammed has given you, yet we can enjoy and understand these books perfectly. I'm aware the word for protected, guardian, friend is the same in Arab but its clear Muhammed meant friend as well. Why else would he repeat the same verses with the same word Awliya more then 8 times?

Also, 3:118 doesn't want you to befriend anyone intimately, its quite clear what is meant right?

You can read koran in any language you want , but you cannot make interpretations . Thats why for 1400 years all works on koran were made in Arabic language . I am sorry thats the way it is and if you do not accept it I cannot do anything about it . No Muslim would give damn about your interpreatation , if you had no degree in Koranic studies . this is what people like you have to understand .From where did you get this bizzare rule that repeating word 8 times means the false understanding that you have for it ???? . All people that attack Koran there is not even one single of them who is world renown Koranic scholar they are all ignorant just like Ali Sina . This is not like in bible where you can find world renown biblical scholars who have left the christian faith all together .

[piscohot]

You can read koran in any language you want , but you cannot make interpretations . Thats why for 1400 years all works on koran were made in Arabic language .

in the end, its the same old 'you have to read it in arabic' excuse.

a person understanding the quran in arabic, for some strange reason, cannot and will not be able to translate that understanding (accurately) into other languages.

[zitouni]

You can read koran in any language you want , but you cannot make interpretations . Thats why for 1400 years all works on koran were made in Arabic language .

in the end, its the same old 'you have to read it in arabic' excuse.

a person understanding the quran in arabic, for some strange reason, cannot and will not be able to translate that understanding (accurately) into other languages.

Thats the rule if you do not accept it I cannot make you change your mind . Look at what happenes when people like you who knows nothing about Arabic and Tafsir and they interpret the koran they are most of the time wrong . If I were in non Muslims place and i want to prove koran wrong I will study all the requirements from Islamic university and fight Islam . I will have more credentiel and I will make more people leave Islam than if I try to do it right now while I am totally ignorant about Tafsir . Every field of science has its requirement established by the experts you will be stupid to skip it ignore it or change it .

[Sten]

Zitouni, ask yourself - why would God only make his word available in one language? God would not be limited by language, if the God exists it is universal. Surely if the Quran was the true word of God, it would be able to be translated perfectly into any language on Earth. The fact that Muslims are always making the translation excuse suggests to me that they have not thought this through.

[zitouni]

Zitouni, ask yourself - why would God only make his word available in one language? God would not be limited by language, if the God exists it is universal. Surely if the Quran was the true word of God, it would be able to be translated perfectly into any language on Earth. The fact that Muslims are always making the translation excuse suggests to me that they have not thought this through.

Koran is the word of God because no human was able to translate it accurately . so you have it backward .

[sum]

Hello zitouni

Your quote -
Koran is the word of God because no human was able to translate it accurately . so you have it backward .

This is pure gibberish. What has happened to your critical thinking?

Please read the following which is being taught to muslims -

The following is excerpted from “Answers to common questions to new Muslims” (Published 1993 by the Islamic Assembly of North America):
Mixing with non-Muslims Removes One`s Religious Pride and Jealousy

Question: I live in an area in which most of the residents are from our brethren Christians. We eat and drink with some of them. Is my prayer not valid and my living with them not allowed?

Answer: Before responding to the question, I would like to comment on something that I hope you said unintentionally. This is your statement, “Our brethren Christians”, There is never any brotherhood between Muslims and Christians. Brotherhood must be based on faith. As Allah says: “Verily, the believers are but a brotherhood” (Al-Hujurat 49:10). If blood relationships come to an end because of differences in religion, how can brotherhood be confirmed for people of different religions and no blood relations?

Allah says about Noah and his son: [Noah said,] “O my Lord, verily my son is of my family! And certainly your promise is true, and You are the Most Just Of the judges”. He [Allah] said, “O Noah! surely he is not of your family, his work is unrighteous” (Hud 11: 45-46) There is never brotherhood between a believer and a disbeliever. In fact, it is obligatory upon the believer not to take a disbeliever as his close friend and ally. Allah says in the Koran, “O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth” (al-Mumtahana 60:1).

Who are those enemies of Allah? The enemies of Allah are the disbelievers. Allah says, "Whoever is an enemy to Allah, His Angels, His Messengers, Gabriel and Michael, then verily, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers" (al-Baqara 2:98). Allah also says, "O Believers! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends and helpers. They are but friends to one another. And if any among you takes them as friends and allies, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers" (al-Maida 5:51). Therefore, it is not permissible for a Muslim to describe any disbeliever as a brother - whatever type of disbeliever he is, be he Christian, Jew, Magian or atheist. Be aware, dear brother, of making such a statement.
Now as for the response to your question, I state : You should try to remain away from mixing with non-Muslims because mixing with them removes your religious zealousness and pride from your heart and may lead you to having love and compassion in your heart for them. Allah has stated, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah, Verily, it is the party of Allah that will be the successful." (al-Mujadalah 58:22).

A Disbeliever is not a Muslim' s Brother

Question: I live with a Christian who calls me his brother and we are like brethren, we eat and drink together. Is this kind of deed permissible?

Answer: A disbeliever is not a Muslim's brother. Allah has said, "Verily the believers are but brethren" (al-Hujurat 49:10). The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said, "A Muslim is a brother to a Muslim". A disbeliever, whether he be Jew, Christian, Magian, Socialist or whatever, is not a brother to a Muslim. It is not allowed to take him as a companion and close friend. However, if one eats with him sometime, without taking him as a companion, due to a general invitation or specific gathering, there is no harm in that. But to take him as a companion, close friend and dining associate, this is not allowed. Allah has cut off such ties of love, loyalty and friendship between Muslims and disbelievers. Allah says in His Noble Book, "Indeed, there is an excellent example for you in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, 'Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever - until you believe in Allah alone'" (al-Mumtahana 60:4).
Allah has also said, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah. Verily, it is the party of Allah that will be the successful" (al-Mujadalah 58:22)
Therefore, it is obligatory upon a Muslim to be free of the people of infidelity and to hate them for the sake of Allah. However, one must not harm them, hurt them or oppose them without justice and rights to do so, as long as they are not fighting us. At the same time, though, one does not take them as comrades or brothers. If one coincidentally eats with them at a general invitation or specific event, without companionship, loyalty or love for them, then there is no harm in that act. It is obligatory upon Muslims to deal with disbelievers in an Islamic fashion with proper behavior, as long as they are not fighting the Muslims. One must fulfill one's trusts to them, must not deceive them, must not betray them or lie to them. If there is a discussion or debate between them, one must argue with them in the best manner and be just with them in the dispute. This is in obedience to Allah's command, "And argue not with the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) unless it be in a way that is better, except with such of them as do wrong" (al-Ankabut 29 :46).
It is sanctioned for the Muslim to invite them to the good, to advise them and to be patient with them at the same time being neighborly and polite with them. This is so because Allah has stated, "lnvite to the way of your Lord with wisdom (of the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better" (al-Nahl 6: 25). Allah has also said, "Speak good to people" (al-Baqara 2:83). The Prophet (peace be upon him) has also said, .'The one who guides to good will have the same reward as the one who does that good". Actually, there are numerous verses and hadith with the same meaning.

The Ruling About Mixing with the Disbelievers

Question: What is the ruling concerning mixing with the disbelievers and being soft and gentle with them in hopes that they will embrace Islam?

Answer: There is no doubt that a Muslim is obliged to hate the enemies of Allah and be free of them. This was the way of the messengers and their followers. Allah says, "Indeed, there is an excellent example for you in Abraham and those with him. when they said to their people, 'Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever - until you believe in Allah alone"' (al-Mumtahana 60 :4). Allah has also said, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself " (al-Mujadalah 58:22).
Based on these, a Muslim is not allowed to have love and compassion in his heart for the enemies of Allah who are in reality his own enemies. Allah has stated, "O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth". (al-Mumtahana 60: 1). But there is no harm for a Muslim treating them with kindness and gentleness in hopes that they become Muslim. This is a type of reconciling their hearts to Islam. However, if one despairs in their becoming Muslim, then one may treat them in the way that they may be treated. And this is dealt with in detail in the law books, in particular ibn al-Qayyim's Ahkam ahl al-Dhimmah.

The Ruling Concerning Having Love for the Disbelievers

Question: What is the ruling concerning having love for the disbelievers and preferring them to the Muslims?

Answer: There is no doubt that the one who loves the disbelievers more than he loves the believers is committing a great sin. It is obligatory upon him to love the Muslims and to love for them what he loves for himself. If he loves the enemies of Allah more than he loves Muslims this is very dangerous and forbidden. In fact, it is not even allowed to love them even if one loves them less than he loves the Muslims. Allah has stated, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons. or their brothers. or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow. to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah. VeriIy. it is the party of Allah that will be the successful." (al-Mujadalah 58:22).
Allah has also said, "O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends. showing affection towards them. while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth" (al-Mumtahana 60: ). Furthermore, whoever praises them and prefers them over the Muslims in deeds and otherwise, then he has committed a sin and has not had proper thoughts about his brethren Muslims. And he has had good thoughts about those people who are not deserving of such thoughts. It is obligatory upon the believer to prefer Muslims over others in every aspect, in deeds and otherwise. If one finds shortcomings in Muslims. he must advise them. warn them and explained to them the wrong they are doing. Perhaps, Allah may guide them through his hands.'

Ruling Concerning Honoring a Disbeliever by Giving Him Wine

Question: Is it allowed for a Muslim to honor his non-Muslim friends by giving them food or drink that is forbidden in Islam?

Answer. Islam is the religion of forgiveness, easiness and simplicity. At the same time, though. it is a religion of justice. Generosity is an Islamic character. However, if the person is a disbeliever, then the ruling concerning that generosity differs depending on the intention of the person himself and depending on what he offers as an act of kindness. The intent could be legally sanctioned. If he wants to make some contact with the person until he invites him to Islam and rescues him from disbelief then that is a noble intention. One of the principles of Islamic law is that the means has the same ruling as the goal. If the goal is obligatory, then the means become obligatory. If the goal is forbidden, then the means are also forbidden. If there was no legally sanctioned goal behind the generosity and the person would not be harmed by not being kind, then it is permissible for him not to be so. However, it is not allowed to do acts of generosity or kindness with things that Allah has forbidden. such as pork or alcohol. By giving such items, the person has disobeyed Allah and obeyed them. He has preferred their rights over that of Allah. A Muslim must stick to his religion. In a non-Muslim land, he must openly demonstrate his applying Islam in order to be a caller to Islam in both word and action.

The Ruling Concerning Business Transactions with the Disbelievers
Question: Is it valid to have business transactions or trading with the disbelievers while we are aware that they are disbelievers? And, in particular, when we are in need of what they manufacture?

Answer. Allah willing, there is no harm in using what the disbelievers manufacture if there is some need to do so, as is what is happening these days as items, products, appliances and so forth are imported from non-Muslim countries. This need makes us come into agreements with them concerning price, amount and quality and how the items will be received and paid for [All of this is allowed.]'

Ruling Concerning Greeting a Disbeliever

Question: How shall we respond to a disbeliever if he greets us?

Answer: It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said. ."Do not be the first to greet a Jew or Christian with peace. And if you come across them in the walkway, force them to the edges." Muslim recorded this in his Sahih. He (peace be upon him) also said, .'If the People of the Book greet you with peace. say, 'Wa alaikum (and unto you).'" This was recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim. The People of the Book are the Jews and Christians. The ruling concerning the other disbelievers is the same as the ruling of the Jews and Christians in this matter since there is no evidence to show otherwise. In general, one does not first greet a disbeliever. However, if he starts the greeting, then one must respond by our statement, "And upon you", in accord with the order from the Messenger (peace be upon him). There is no prohibition to say after that, something like, "How are you? How are your children?" Some of the scholars, including ibn Taimiya, has said that this is permissible. This is especially acceptable if there is some Islamically sanctioned reason for that, such as hoping the person will become Muslim or making him susceptible to your calling him to Islam. Allah has stated, "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom (of the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better" (al-Nahl 16: 125). Allah has also said, ."And argue not with the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) unless it be in a way that is better, except with such of them as do wrong" (al-Ankabut 29:46).'

The Ruling Concerning a Gift from the Ad-hiya to non-Muslim Neighbors

Question : Does the non-Muslim neighbor have a portion of the adhiya or not?

Response: It is permissible for a Muslim to assist his non-Muslim neighbor by giving him some meat from his sacrificed animal. He may give it to them in order to soften their hearts and to fulfill the rights that neighbors have upon one another. This is so because there is no evidence prohibiting such an act and due to the generality of Allah's statement in the Quran, "Allah forbids you not to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity". (al-Mumtahanah 60:8). In fact, the Permanent Committee gave a ruling on this question. This is the text of their response:
Yes. it is allowed for us to give food to the disbelievers living under the Islamic state and wayfarers from the meat of the sacrificed animal. It is allowed to give to them on the basis of their poverty, blood relation, being a neighbor or to soften their hearts. The ritual act is the actual act of slaughtering which is an act of worship and getting closer to Allah. As for the meat of said animal, it is best for the person to consume one third of it himself and to give one-third of it as a gift to his relatives and neighbors and friends, and to give another third away in charity to the poor. If the shares are slightly off from those portions. there is no harm as the matter is a wide one and not strict. However, one should not give such meat to a harbi (someone who is fighting against the Muslim state) because in their case, the obligation is to suppress and weaken them and not assist or strengthen them with charity. In fact, that is the ruling with respect to all forms of voluntary charity, based on the generality of the verse in the Quran, "Allah forbids you not to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity" (al-Mumtahanah 60 :8). Furthermore, the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered Asma bint Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with her) to help her mother out with money although she was a polytheist.

Giving Voluntary Charity to non-Muslims:

Question: Is it permissible to give charity to non-Muslims?

Response: It is not permissible to give zakat to the non-Muslims. Furthermore, it is disliked to give voluntary charity to the non-Muslims because, in so doing, you are supporting them in their disbelief Allah says in the Quran, "But do not help one another in sin and transgression" (al-Maidah 5:2). However, if you hope for someone to be Muslim. then there is no harm in giving him some charity in the hope that it might encourage him to become Muslim. If you fear that someone is about to die, it is permissible to save him from death in order to let him know about the beauty of lslam.

Observing or Recognizing the Holidays of the Jews and Christians is not Allowed

Question: some Muslims recognize the holidays of the Jews and Christians. When a Jewish or Christian holiday comes, they close the Islamic schools because of those holidays. However, on Muslim holidays, they do not close the schools. They argue that by observing the Christian and Jewish holidays, those people might be led to Islam. We would like you to clarify this matter.

Answer: First, the practice is to publicly display the signs of Islam among Muslims and to avoid anything that goes against the guidance of the Messenger (peace be upon him). It is confirmed that he said, ."You should follow my way (sunnah) and the way of the rightly guided successors..."
Second, it is not allowed for Muslims to participate with the disbelievers in their holidays or to show joy and happiness for such occasions. Similarly, one cannot cancel work for such an occasion. This is true whether the occasion be a religious or secular holiday. To do so would be a forbidden imitation of the enemies of Allah. It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, "Whoever imitates a people is one of them."
We advise you to refer to the book lqtidha al-Sirat al-Mustaqeem by Shaikh al-lslam ibn Taimiya as it is very beneficial concerning this matter.

Is any of this teaching incorrect?

sum

[zitouni]

Hello zitouni

Your quote -
Koran is the word of God because no human was able to translate it accurately . so you have it backward .

This is pure gibberish. What has happened to your critical thinking?

Please read the following which is being taught to muslims -

The following is excerpted from “Answers to common questions to new Muslims” (Published 1993 by the Islamic Assembly of North America):
Mixing with non-Muslims Removes One`s Religious Pride and Jealousy

Question: I live in an area in which most of the residents are from our brethren Christians. We eat and drink with some of them. Is my prayer not valid and my living with them not allowed?

Answer: Before responding to the question, I would like to comment on something that I hope you said unintentionally. This is your statement, “Our brethren Christians”, There is never any brotherhood between Muslims and Christians. Brotherhood must be based on faith. As Allah says: “Verily, the believers are but a brotherhood” (Al-Hujurat 49:10). If blood relationships come to an end because of differences in religion, how can brotherhood be confirmed for people of different religions and no blood relations?

Allah says about Noah and his son: [Noah said,] “O my Lord, verily my son is of my family! And certainly your promise is true, and You are the Most Just Of the judges”. He [Allah] said, “O Noah! surely he is not of your family, his work is unrighteous” (Hud 11: 45-46) There is never brotherhood between a believer and a disbeliever. In fact, it is obligatory upon the believer not to take a disbeliever as his close friend and ally. Allah says in the Koran, “O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth” (al-Mumtahana 60:1).

Who are those enemies of Allah? The enemies of Allah are the disbelievers. Allah says, "Whoever is an enemy to Allah, His Angels, His Messengers, Gabriel and Michael, then verily, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers" (al-Baqara 2:98). Allah also says, "O Believers! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends and helpers. They are but friends to one another. And if any among you takes them as friends and allies, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers" (al-Maida 5:51). Therefore, it is not permissible for a Muslim to describe any disbeliever as a brother - whatever type of disbeliever he is, be he Christian, Jew, Magian or atheist. Be aware, dear brother, of making such a statement.
Now as for the response to your question, I state : You should try to remain away from mixing with non-Muslims because mixing with them removes your religious zealousness and pride from your heart and may lead you to having love and compassion in your heart for them. Allah has stated, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah, Verily, it is the party of Allah that will be the successful." (al-Mujadalah 58:22).

A Disbeliever is not a Muslim' s Brother

Question: I live with a Christian who calls me his brother and we are like brethren, we eat and drink together. Is this kind of deed permissible?

Answer: A disbeliever is not a Muslim's brother. Allah has said, "Verily the believers are but brethren" (al-Hujurat 49:10). The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said, "A Muslim is a brother to a Muslim". A disbeliever, whether he be Jew, Christian, Magian, Socialist or whatever, is not a brother to a Muslim. It is not allowed to take him as a companion and close friend. However, if one eats with him sometime, without taking him as a companion, due to a general invitation or specific gathering, there is no harm in that. But to take him as a companion, close friend and dining associate, this is not allowed. Allah has cut off such ties of love, loyalty and friendship between Muslims and disbelievers. Allah says in His Noble Book, "Indeed, there is an excellent example for you in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, 'Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever - until you believe in Allah alone'" (al-Mumtahana 60:4).
Allah has also said, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah. Verily, it is the party of Allah that will be the successful" (al-Mujadalah 58:22)
Therefore, it is obligatory upon a Muslim to be free of the people of infidelity and to hate them for the sake of Allah. However, one must not harm them, hurt them or oppose them without justice and rights to do so, as long as they are not fighting us. At the same time, though, one does not take them as comrades or brothers. If one coincidentally eats with them at a general invitation or specific event, without companionship, loyalty or love for them, then there is no harm in that act. It is obligatory upon Muslims to deal with disbelievers in an Islamic fashion with proper behavior, as long as they are not fighting the Muslims. One must fulfill one's trusts to them, must not deceive them, must not betray them or lie to them. If there is a discussion or debate between them, one must argue with them in the best manner and be just with them in the dispute. This is in obedience to Allah's command, "And argue not with the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) unless it be in a way that is better, except with such of them as do wrong" (al-Ankabut 29 :46).
It is sanctioned for the Muslim to invite them to the good, to advise them and to be patient with them at the same time being neighborly and polite with them. This is so because Allah has stated, "lnvite to the way of your Lord with wisdom (of the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better" (al-Nahl 6: 25). Allah has also said, "Speak good to people" (al-Baqara 2:83). The Prophet (peace be upon him) has also said, .'The one who guides to good will have the same reward as the one who does that good". Actually, there are numerous verses and hadith with the same meaning.

The Ruling About Mixing with the Disbelievers

Question: What is the ruling concerning mixing with the disbelievers and being soft and gentle with them in hopes that they will embrace Islam?

Answer: There is no doubt that a Muslim is obliged to hate the enemies of Allah and be free of them. This was the way of the messengers and their followers. Allah says, "Indeed, there is an excellent example for you in Abraham and those with him. when they said to their people, 'Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever - until you believe in Allah alone"' (al-Mumtahana 60 :4). Allah has also said, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself " (al-Mujadalah 58:22).
Based on these, a Muslim is not allowed to have love and compassion in his heart for the enemies of Allah who are in reality his own enemies. Allah has stated, "O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth". (al-Mumtahana 60: 1). But there is no harm for a Muslim treating them with kindness and gentleness in hopes that they become Muslim. This is a type of reconciling their hearts to Islam. However, if one despairs in their becoming Muslim, then one may treat them in the way that they may be treated. And this is dealt with in detail in the law books, in particular ibn al-Qayyim's Ahkam ahl al-Dhimmah.

The Ruling Concerning Having Love for the Disbelievers

Question: What is the ruling concerning having love for the disbelievers and preferring them to the Muslims?

Answer: There is no doubt that the one who loves the disbelievers more than he loves the believers is committing a great sin. It is obligatory upon him to love the Muslims and to love for them what he loves for himself. If he loves the enemies of Allah more than he loves Muslims this is very dangerous and forbidden. In fact, it is not even allowed to love them even if one loves them less than he loves the Muslims. Allah has stated, "You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons. or their brothers. or their kin. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with proofs from Himself And We will admit them to gardens through which rivers flow. to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the party of Allah. VeriIy. it is the party of Allah that will be the successful." (al-Mujadalah 58:22).
Allah has also said, "O believers! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends. showing affection towards them. while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the Truth" (al-Mumtahana 60: ). Furthermore, whoever praises them and prefers them over the Muslims in deeds and otherwise, then he has committed a sin and has not had proper thoughts about his brethren Muslims. And he has had good thoughts about those people who are not deserving of such thoughts. It is obligatory upon the believer to prefer Muslims over others in every aspect, in deeds and otherwise. If one finds shortcomings in Muslims. he must advise them. warn them and explained to them the wrong they are doing. Perhaps, Allah may guide them through his hands.'

Ruling Concerning Honoring a Disbeliever by Giving Him Wine

Question: Is it allowed for a Muslim to honor his non-Muslim friends by giving them food or drink that is forbidden in Islam?

Answer. Islam is the religion of forgiveness, easiness and simplicity. At the same time, though. it is a religion of justice. Generosity is an Islamic character. However, if the person is a disbeliever, then the ruling concerning that generosity differs depending on the intention of the person himself and depending on what he offers as an act of kindness. The intent could be legally sanctioned. If he wants to make some contact with the person until he invites him to Islam and rescues him from disbelief then that is a noble intention. One of the principles of Islamic law is that the means has the same ruling as the goal. If the goal is obligatory, then the means become obligatory. If the goal is forbidden, then the means are also forbidden. If there was no legally sanctioned goal behind the generosity and the person would not be harmed by not being kind, then it is permissible for him not to be so. However, it is not allowed to do acts of generosity or kindness with things that Allah has forbidden. such as pork or alcohol. By giving such items, the person has disobeyed Allah and obeyed them. He has preferred their rights over that of Allah. A Muslim must stick to his religion. In a non-Muslim land, he must openly demonstrate his applying Islam in order to be a caller to Islam in both word and action.

The Ruling Concerning Business Transactions with the Disbelievers
Question: Is it valid to have business transactions or trading with the disbelievers while we are aware that they are disbelievers? And, in particular, when we are in need of what they manufacture?

Answer. Allah willing, there is no harm in using what the disbelievers manufacture if there is some need to do so, as is what is happening these days as items, products, appliances and so forth are imported from non-Muslim countries. This need makes us come into agreements with them concerning price, amount and quality and how the items will be received and paid for [All of this is allowed.]'

Ruling Concerning Greeting a Disbeliever

Question: How shall we respond to a disbeliever if he greets us?

Answer: It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said. ."Do not be the first to greet a Jew or Christian with peace. And if you come across them in the walkway, force them to the edges." Muslim recorded this in his Sahih. He (peace be upon him) also said, .'If the People of the Book greet you with peace. say, 'Wa alaikum (and unto you).'" This was recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim. The People of the Book are the Jews and Christians. The ruling concerning the other disbelievers is the same as the ruling of the Jews and Christians in this matter since there is no evidence to show otherwise. In general, one does not first greet a disbeliever. However, if he starts the greeting, then one must respond by our statement, "And upon you", in accord with the order from the Messenger (peace be upon him). There is no prohibition to say after that, something like, "How are you? How are your children?" Some of the scholars, including ibn Taimiya, has said that this is permissible. This is especially acceptable if there is some Islamically sanctioned reason for that, such as hoping the person will become Muslim or making him susceptible to your calling him to Islam. Allah has stated, "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom (of the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better" (al-Nahl 16: 125). Allah has also said, ."And argue not with the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) unless it be in a way that is better, except with such of them as do wrong" (al-Ankabut 29:46).'

The Ruling Concerning a Gift from the Ad-hiya to non-Muslim Neighbors

Question : Does the non-Muslim neighbor have a portion of the adhiya or not?

Response: It is permissible for a Muslim to assist his non-Muslim neighbor by giving him some meat from his sacrificed animal. He may give it to them in order to soften their hearts and to fulfill the rights that neighbors have upon one another. This is so because there is no evidence prohibiting such an act and due to the generality of Allah's statement in the Quran, "Allah forbids you not to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity". (al-Mumtahanah 60:8). In fact, the Permanent Committee gave a ruling on this question. This is the text of their response:
Yes. it is allowed for us to give food to the disbelievers living under the Islamic state and wayfarers from the meat of the sacrificed animal. It is allowed to give to them on the basis of their poverty, blood relation, being a neighbor or to soften their hearts. The ritual act is the actual act of slaughtering which is an act of worship and getting closer to Allah. As for the meat of said animal, it is best for the person to consume one third of it himself and to give one-third of it as a gift to his relatives and neighbors and friends, and to give another third away in charity to the poor. If the shares are slightly off from those portions. there is no harm as the matter is a wide one and not strict. However, one should not give such meat to a harbi (someone who is fighting against the Muslim state) because in their case, the obligation is to suppress and weaken them and not assist or strengthen them with charity. In fact, that is the ruling with respect to all forms of voluntary charity, based on the generality of the verse in the Quran, "Allah forbids you not to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity" (al-Mumtahanah 60 :8). Furthermore, the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered Asma bint Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with her) to help her mother out with money although she was a polytheist.

Giving Voluntary Charity to non-Muslims:

Question: Is it permissible to give charity to non-Muslims?

Response: It is not permissible to give zakat to the non-Muslims. Furthermore, it is disliked to give voluntary charity to the non-Muslims because, in so doing, you are supporting them in their disbelief Allah says in the Quran, "But do not help one another in sin and transgression" (al-Maidah 5:2). However, if you hope for someone to be Muslim. then there is no harm in giving him some charity in the hope that it might encourage him to become Muslim. If you fear that someone is about to die, it is permissible to save him from death in order to let him know about the beauty of lslam.

Observing or Recognizing the Holidays of the Jews and Christians is not Allowed

Question: some Muslims recognize the holidays of the Jews and Christians. When a Jewish or Christian holiday comes, they close the Islamic schools because of those holidays. However, on Muslim holidays, they do not close the schools. They argue that by observing the Christian and Jewish holidays, those people might be led to Islam. We would like you to clarify this matter.

Answer: First, the practice is to publicly display the signs of Islam among Muslims and to avoid anything that goes against the guidance of the Messenger (peace be upon him). It is confirmed that he said, ."You should follow my way (sunnah) and the way of the rightly guided successors..."
Second, it is not allowed for Muslims to participate with the disbelievers in their holidays or to show joy and happiness for such occasions. Similarly, one cannot cancel work for such an occasion. This is true whether the occasion be a religious or secular holiday. To do so would be a forbidden imitation of the enemies of Allah. It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, "Whoever imitates a people is one of them."
We advise you to refer to the book lqtidha al-Sirat al-Mustaqeem by Shaikh al-lslam ibn Taimiya as it is very beneficial concerning this matter.

Is any of this teaching incorrect?

sum

First you have to state the name of this scholar who was answering those questions. In my opinion those actions are only taken with non Muslims who are at war with Muslims and not with those have no conflict with Muslims .

[sum]

Hello zitouni

In the world of Islam, your opinion is of no value.

Anyone who is aware of Islam but refuses to embrace Islam is deemed to be at war with Islam. Please read Koran 5:33 and the Tafsir.

What I presented is being taught. As I understand your evasive response to my post. you support what it states as far as I and the anti-Islamic posters on FFI are concerned. Is this correct? Can`t you see how evil and divisive Islam and its followers are? Why should it matter even one jot if I do not accept that Muhammad was a prophet and that the muslim god, Allah, existed? This should be a matter between Allah and me and nothing to do with you and your fellow muslims. Do you think that non-muslims should treat muslims the same way if the muslims refuse to accept Christianity, Hinduism etc?

There is only one evil religion and that is Islam which based on hatred, the inequality of mankind and requires sovereignty. Islam is a cancerous blight on mankind.

Do you support Islam`s hatred and inequality of non-muslim mankind?

sum

[zitouni]

Hello zitouni

In the world of Islam, your opinion is of no value.

Anyone who is aware of Islam but refuses to embrace Islam is deemed to be at war with Islam. Please read Koran 5:33 and the Tafsir.

What I presented is being taught. As I understand your evasive response to my post. you support what it states as far as I and the anti-Islamic posters on FFI are concerned. Is this correct? Can`t you see how evil and divisive Islam and its followers are? Why should it matter even one jot if I do not accept that Muhammad was a prophet and that the muslim god, Allah, existed? This should be a matter between Allah and me and nothing to do with you and your fellow muslims. Do you think that non-muslims should treat muslims the same way if the muslims refuse to accept Christianity, Hinduism etc?

There is only one evil religion and that is Islam which based on hatred, the inequality of mankind and requires sovereignty. Islam is a cancerous blight on mankind.

Do you support Islam`s hatred and inequality of non-muslim mankind?

sum

I do not know when are you going to stop using tricks and lies . The verse says

those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and not refused to believe in Islam . I asked you to provide me with the name of the scholar who responded , but you failed to do so . Please post the link for me to see where did you get this information. Why would God allows Muslim man to get married with lady from the people of the book knowing that your kids will have aunts , unlces , cousins , grand parents who are not going to be Muslims and meantime you claim in the same book that he orders us not to take them as friends . Which one is much closer to you your wife and relatives or your friends ??? . it just doe not make sense the way you understand the verse . do you think this is your bible a book full of contradictions and nonsense .Wali means guardian somebody who is responsible of you thats why prophet required the pride to have him present at the marriage . there is no way that it meant a friend otherwise why Muslims notary today do not request to see the pride friend in order to have her authorise the marriage . All what I can say your hate for Islam make you dumb .

[darth]

Koran is the word of God because no human was able to translate it accurately . so you have it backward .

There are lots of people in asylums that write things that no human can translate accurately. By your definition all those are words of God? Rubbish. The word or law of God must be clear, understandable otherwise no human is bound to follow it or be judged by it.
We do not need to know arabic to read translations of quran and tafsirs produced by islamic scholars. We are not bound by your rules of what an islamic scholar must be. It does not take a "scholar" to understand the nonsense in the quran and the hadiths. An islamic scholar in fact is one that tries to bring logic and humanity into the gibberish and paranoid rantings and actions of mo. Not that it makes much difference. Have you read some of the rubbish rulings of khomeini great scholar of islam? How about the ruling from another islamic scholar recommending breast feeding in adults?

those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and not refused to believe in Islam .

Are the two different? We reject your allah who was an imaginary friend of your mo. We say mo was a paranoid hallucinator. Prove to us that we would not be considered to be waging war against allah and mo.

I asked you to provide me with the name of the scholar who responded , but you failed to do so .

Show us your credentials as an "islamic scholar"

Why would God allows Muslim man to get married with lady from the people of the book knowing that your kids will have aunts , unlces , cousins , grand parents who are not going to be Muslims and meantime you claim in the same book that he orders us not to take them as friends .

Don't pick on us for pointing out that your book does do that! Most interpreters translate 5.51 as friend/allies and protectors. It is simply you that wants to use protector thinking that it will sweeten the verse. The fact is, even if you choose "protector" this is an example of another bigoted verse (I would have said racist except that islam is not a race). And is it not interesting that a muslim woman is not allowed to marry from the people of the book?

[sum]

Hello zitouni

Your quote -
I do not know when are you going to stop using tricks and lies .

I do not have a reputation for lies and tricks. This is muslim territory and I am not a muslim.

Waging war against Allah is a theological war where the alleged revelations are discredited and Islam refuted and rejected. One can not attack a god with weapons, can you? It is as clear as the nose on your face that waging war against Allah is refusing to accept the invitation to embrace Islam.

As far as Koran 5:33 is concerned please read Ibn Kathir`s Tafsir -

» Tafsir Ibn Kathir

The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land
Allah said next,
[إِنَّمَا جَزَآءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَسَاداً أَن يُقَتَّلُواْ أَوْ يُصَلَّبُواْ أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَـفٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْاْ مِنَ الاٌّرْضِ]
(Surah 5:33 The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.)

`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.

Who understands Islam better - you or Ibn Kathir? I suggest that you read up a bit more on your "religion".

Do you support crucifixion and amputation?

sum