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Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:23 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: So when the tectonic plates spreaded out from Pangaea, they became more flat? Or is it that they EXTENDED, Your Sophistry?

So now, you change your angle to the tectonic plates excuse. Why don't you tell the rest of the class how that made the earth wider or more spacious? Tell the rest of the class how that made it more hospitable and more like a cradle.

Wrong, Your Sophistry. I've answered your ludicrous assertion that: When a singular physical object
gets spread out, it becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out
. What's a 'singular physical object'?

Now tell the rest of the class how the earth isn't the cradle of humanity, much more hospitable than say Mars or Venus?


The earth is more hospitable. I simply asked you to tell us how the spreading of the tectonic plates made the earth more spacious, hospitable and more like a cradle. So you're not going to answer that. Fine. NEXT!! :lol: Now, being the fair guy that I am, I will actually answer the question you asked me, unlike you. The earth became more like a cradle and more hospitable by spreading it out. The result of spreading a singular, solid physical object, such as the earth, is to make it more flat in shape. I don't care about your alternate definitions for spread out unless you relate them to the earth specifically. It's a stupid ploy/diversion and it simply is not going to work. When will you understand that?

The definition of spread out itself does not need to include the word flat at all as flat is not part of the definition of spread out, it is a natural consequence of the action of spreading out when speaking of solid, singular physical objects such as the earth. Is that clear enough for you? You saw this the first time i mentioned it. Quit ignoring it.

The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Which verses? I've named them all! Get them if you can... (but you won't).

No you haven't and you have only quoted the ones that you think will suit your argument, and even those ones don't work well.

See how I knew in advance that wouldn't mention them...


You only listed verses but many you did not quote and explain. you only quote and explain the ones that you think will help your argument, and even those failed you.

The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:And only in your shrinked interpretation, way from the Koran, does it mean flat instead of wide (as spacious).

All you need to do is to take your silly alternate definitions and apply them to the case of the earth....
What happens when you make a singular physical object more wide?? .... all you need to do now is to tell us how that made the earth wider. ..... we're not talking about the universe, we are talking about the earth. ..... What happens when you spread forth or spread out a singular, solid physical object?

In Lane's Lexicon, we read ''spread out, or forth'' and also ''He (God) made the earth wide, or ample''.
We've seen how this is related to being spacious, ie. capacious, commodious (as an ostrich nest).


What is the consequence to the shape of a singular, physical object like the earth when it is spread out?? Does it become rounder? Flatter? I'll keep asking this until you give an honest answer. Sure, it makes it more spacious, but what about the shape itself? These silly diversion simply will not work
The Cat wrote:
MBL wrote:
The Cat wrote: The Koran is talking about spreading out, which Lane's define as WIDE (as in AMPLE), like an ostrich unfolding a communal nest.

The whole original page from Lane's Lexicon.
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/V ... 000023.pdf

In this whole pdf page, not a mention about flatness but rather... of a belly becoming fat, swollen.
Or of a camel spreading out its belly when lying to rest and sleep. Again, nothing flat involved...

And the ostrich spreads the dirt out and pats it down to do so. And it's talking about the earth being spread out.... The camels belly becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out. Anyway, the only thing that matters is it's usage in relation to the earth.

Your Sophistry, a camel or an ostrich's belly doesn't becomes flatter but wide extended when resting.


Who cares about the belly? Relate it to the earth. That's what we're talking about. Stop with the silly, desperate nonsense.

The Cat wrote:More from the Lexicon, disproving you
--Also He threw, or cast, and impelled, propelled....


The Cat wrote:--The belly was, or became, large, and hanging down


The earth became more hung down?? Look at the nonsense you are attempting.

The Cat wrote:
-- it (the belly) was, or became, wide, or distended:


Relate this to the earth.

The Cat wrote:
--or both signify it became swollen or inflated, or big, and hung down, by reason of fatness...


Relate this to the earth.

The Cat wrote:
--He spread out, or extended, himself; lay upon a wide space of ground.


Relate this to the earth.

The Cat wrote:
--The camels made hollows in the ground where they lay down, it being soft;
leaving therein cavities like thoe of bellies: thus they do only when they are fat.


Relate this to the earth.

The Cat wrote:
Dahaha is much related to fatness/abundance, quite the opposite in plain fact of anything flat.


Fatness is an adjective, abundance is a noun. Dahaha is a verb in 79:30 and it refers to an action of the ostrich and part of that action is spreading the dirt out and then patting it down. I've already told you this and you merely ignore it and repeat yourself.

The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:What happens to a singular, solid physical object when it is extended, spread or becomes wider?

What happens to a bird spreading out its wings, the Universe getting wider or the Pangaea extending?


Relate that to the earth. I'll just keep repeating that request as much as needed. You have already been flagged by another viewer when he asked you how pouring thoughts out relates to a physical object, aqnd i didn't see where you answered him. Everybody sees through the stupidity of your attempts. It's nothing but bizarre desperation at this point.

The Cat wrote:
According to you, they become flat like a pizza, as do all singular physical object... :nono:


The earth, which is what we are actually talking about, would become more flat unless you want to say it expanded like a balloon, which would also be scientifically inaccurate. So take your pick. did the earth spread out like wings? :lol:

The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:What happens when the action was carried out is found in the Koran: a liveable place. And why does spreading it out make it more livable? And did it spread out like a balloon or a pizza? Nevermind, we both know you won't answer that, honest fellow that you are. :lol:


And what was carried out is plain to see as the earth is spreading out all forms of life, within diverse physical compounds.


First you attempt to say that the surface of the earth was flattened out, i.e. became smoother and less bumpy. Then, when that failed, you changed your story to tectonic plates spreading out. Then, when that failed, you change your story to spreading out life forms all over the earth. Life forms clearly came AFTER the earth was already spread out, so even your third attempt has no hope of ever working.

The Cat wrote:Everyone can see and feel how the earth is spreading itself out... in wide scopes and ranges, having a walk or driving out.


You used present tense. Is the earth still spreading itself out?? You also said wider elsewhere. Is the earth still becoming wider?? How so? Look at this nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The Cat wrote:Your Sophistry: ad Hominem mixed with Argumentum ad Populum noxiously backfire at... yourself.


blah blah blah, nobody buys the act. Don't even bother.

The Cat wrote:And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry..
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787
I answered those posts already. Are we going to go around in circles??

You're a damn liar. Everyone can check from my last link how you never answered, but left.

Same shame...
The cock-weather attitude, contradicting himself, cannot be given any credibility whatsoever.
viewtopic.php?p=111636#p111636
Debunked without answer (never? oh yeah)
viewtopic.php?p=117697#p117697
Continued... 6 months later!
viewtopic.php?p=127885#p127885

How can anyone be so much of a shameless pathological liar?


I was talking about every post in this thread and i didn't even bother to check the links. Now, out of desperation, you raise other threads?? You went into such absolute nonsense in those threads that it was pointless to even answer. If you can't admit a mistake in a more tangible thread like this one, how can anybody ever expect you to admit a mistake in a less tangible, philosophical thread? If you want, I'll go back and answer all of those posts and hand you your arss in those threads as well, so we can all watch you start dancing endlessly there. If you were wise, you wouldn't wish for that. As a matter of fact, i think I will as soon as i get time. As they say, be careful what you wish for because you might just get it. :heh:

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:46 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote: Off course I remmber talk about Quran ....... but we are not done with bible.


No where in the agreement did it say we would only talk about the Bible first. It said we will talk about both.

iffo wrote:I want you to tell me what should we do with your homos as bible is asking us to do something you would not like.


So does Islam, so what's your point?? Iffo, i told you before, I'm not a homosexual and I only bring homosexuality up to show you that YOU are the REAL bigot as you call others bigots. It's the old saying, "takes one to know one" :lol:

That said, you're shut off. Conversation is over until you decide to keep your agreement. Period. How stupid do you think I am?? As stupid as you?? It's obvious that you know the Quran has problems, which is why you never answer them and instead try to drag down other religions along with Islam. Typical Muslim behavior. And again, it does nothing to help Islam. You're just angry because you know Islam has been shown to be false, so you want revenge. That's proof that you know, deep down inside, that Islam is false, so you react angrily and emotionally. That said, this forum does not exist to teach little Muslim boys how to think while listening to their stupid ploys. You should probably leave and come back when you are ready for an adult conversation.


If you think your rant can get you out of it that easily you must be dreaming.
As I have your tail in my hand.

I just want to have a serious conversation with you,


Then be willing to simultaneously answer questions about the Quran as well, just like i said in the very beginning. It's that simple. I'm not stupid you senseless little troll. I don't fall for stupid little boy games.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:56 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Alex wrote:
What happens when you pour out your inner thoughts, did they become flat or liquefied? :whistling:

Please explain :)

How do you go about making the nonphysical actually physical? Last time I checked, people couldn't pour out their thoughts and mold it into a physical form... :thinking:


I told you he wouldn't answer this Alex. See?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:14 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry..
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787
You're a damn liar. Everyone can check from my last link how you never answered, but left.

Same shame...
The cock-weather attitude, contradicting himself, cannot be given any credibility whatsoever.
viewtopic.php?p=111636#p111636
Debunked without answer (never? oh yeah)
viewtopic.php?p=117697#p117697
Continued... 6 months later!
viewtopic.php?p=127885#p127885

How can anyone be so much of a shameless pathological liar?


I didn't even bother to check the links because I thought you were referring to this thread, and I know I've answered everything you have posted to me in this thread. Why would you refer to other threads instead of sticking with this one?? I went back and answered every single one. Boy, are you going to be sorry that you asked me to do this, especially in your huge blunder about Shakir and how you raved about it, only to be twice the fool for raving about it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You were far better off letting sleeping dogs lie. You are such a fool. How anybody can have an ounce of respect for you after reading the one about Shakir is beyond me.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9828&p=162921#p162921

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:07 am
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Then be willing to simultaneously answer questions about the Quran as well, just like i said in the very beginning. It's that simple. I'm not stupid you senseless little troll. I don't fall for stupid little boy games.


hahahah oh man I am loving this. I did literally make you a mouse, haven't I. You are going to remember this for a long time... If you were taught what honesty means by your parents you would have answered me and would have come clean ...... How difficult it is for you to discuss one quote from bible :D


I love to expose to everybody what kind a low life miserable crock you are, try to pretend very logical while discussing quran, crockness probably runs in the family. So should we use bible punishment on gay men dear MLB ? :D What you say ? :D

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:48 pm
by junkmaster
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Then be willing to simultaneously answer questions about the Quran as well, just like i said in the very beginning. It's that simple. I'm not stupid you senseless little troll. I don't fall for stupid little boy games.


hahahah oh man I am loving this. I did literally make you a mouse, haven't I. You are going to remember this for a long time... If you were taught what honesty means by your parents you would have answered me and would have come clean ...... How difficult it is for you to discuss one quote from bible :D


I love to expose to everybody what kind a low life miserable crock you are, try to pretend very logical while discussing quran, crockness probably runs in the family. So should we use bible punishment on gay men dear MLB ? :D What you say ? :D

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Hey iffo,

Tu Quoque

I understand that you belong to a very hostile and violent religion that teaches two wrongs make a right so the concept is most likely alien to you, but have you ever considered that two wrongs do not make a right?

jm

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:47 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Then be willing to simultaneously answer questions about the Quran as well, just like i said in the very beginning. It's that simple. I'm not stupid you senseless little troll. I don't fall for stupid little boy games.


hahahah oh man I am loving this. I did literally make you a mouse, haven't I. You are going to remember this for a long time... If you were taught what honesty means by your parents you would have answered me and would have come clean ...... How difficult it is for you to discuss one quote from bible :D


I love to expose to everybody what kind a low life miserable crock you are, try to pretend very logical while discussing quran, crockness probably runs in the family. So should we use bible punishment on gay men dear MLB ? :D What you say ? :D

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Iffo, it simply isn't going to work. I'm not taking the bait. I told you the terms for discussion. Now either you live up to what you agreed upon, or this conversation is over. If you live up to it, then I would be happy to continue this discussion.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:05 pm
by The Cat
MbL wrote:The earth is more hospitable. I simply asked you to tell us how the spreading of the tectonic plates made the earth more spacious, hospitable and more like a cradle.... The earth became more like a cradle and more hospitable by spreading it out. The result of spreading a singular, solid physical object, such as the earth, is to make it more flat in shape. I don't care about your alternate definitions for spread out unless you relate them to the earth specifically.....

The definition of spread out itself does not need to include the word flat at all as flat is not part of the definition of spread out, it is a natural consequence of the action of spreading out when speaking of solid, singular physical objects such as the earth. Is that clear enough for you?

First you've stolen this -silly- argument from another forum, making it yours...
http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... th-is-flat
'Arnold' wrote, page 12 (in 2007):
-- ''Spreading out inherently involves flattening to the degree that it is spread.''

And you've been called on how wrong this assertion is. Spreading out a singular, solid physical object doesn't mean becoming flatter.
viewtopic.php?p=162720#p162720
--So when the tectonic plates spreaded out from Pangaea, they became more flat? Or is it that they EXTENDED?
--Then a physical object, when spread out like the continents from former Pangaea never meant that they became flat.
--Even our universe, as a singular physical object, is actually spreading out, getting wider, not flatter, ie. expanding.

I could add: The Himalaya range is spreading out the highest peaks, stretching above the clouds, like expanding into the sky.
According to you, the Himalaya range is getting flatter as it's expanding... :roflmao:

MbL wrote: What is the consequence to the shape of a singular, physical object like the earth when it is spread out?? Does it become rounder? Flatter? I'll keep asking this until you give an honest answer. Sure, it makes it more spacious, but what about the shape itself?

Dishonesty is stealing the arguments from another forum and bring them here as if they were your own!

Now, if I spread out my hand to shake yours, expanding my arm, stretching my body, Am I becoming flat? :nono:

Nothing that indicates flatness in the so related Koranic verses. It rather means laid out abundantly, profusely...

As in Kathir's tafsir of 91.6
http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ib ... 58381.html
"Tahaha means He spread it out.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "This means what He created in it.''

As in the Lane's Lexicon
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/V ... 000023.pdf
--He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended
--He (God) made the earth wide, or ample;
--also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide...

From a general view over the translations of the verses we get... God spreaded out the earth with hills and flowing streams, fruits,
spouses, day and night, neighboring tracts, vineyards, ploughed lands, date-palms (13.3-4); water, pasture and mountains (79.30-32).

So God made the earth spacious, creating it to be the cradle of life and of mankind.
Which is emphasize again in 2.53: http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/20/53/default.htm
Translations: Cradle, bed, expanse, laid out, lifeable... (safe) haven, habitable...

More so, the Arabic for flat, or to level plain, is either 'Sawi' or 'Almustavi'. Where can you find them at all in the Koran?

But, wait! We do have a 'to spread out' meaning 'to level' and 'flatten out': In 84.3-4 (Muddat)...
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/84/3/default.htm
---And when the earth is spread out ---And hath cast out all that was in her, and is empty.

Here, at the end of time, the earth will be leveled, flattened out... but can you level something already flat as in your ludicrous theory?

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:What happens to a bird spreading out its wings, the Universe getting wider or the Pangaea extending?

Relate that to the earth. I'll just keep repeating that request as much as needed. You have already been flagged by another viewer when he asked you how pouring thoughts out relates to a physical object, aqnd i didn't see where you answered him.

I did: viewtopic.php?p=162879#p162879

And I'm relating and -disproving- your silly and stolen assertion that:
''The result of spreading a singular, solid physical object, such as the earth, is to make it more flat in shape.''

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: Everyone can see and feel how the earth is spreading itself out... in wide scopes and ranges, having a walk or driving out.

You used present tense. Is the earth still spreading itself out?? You also said wider elsewhere. Is the earth still becoming wider?? How so? Look at this nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.

When one is walking or driving, the earth is spreading out itself in the present!

Yet, you should be ashamed of your flagrant ignorance... for the sea-floor is still spreading out/expanding the land masses...
http://www.expanding-earth.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafloor_spreading

It's definitively adding to the land masses, which is the first and basic meaning behind ARD, usually translated 'earth'.

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: Your Sophistry: ad Hominem mixed with Argumentum ad Populum noxiously backfire at... yourself.

blah blah blah, nobody buys the act. Don't even bother.

Of course you don't bother, adding arrogance to silliness... but who are you to decide in advance what other people may think?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:41 pm
by The Cat
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry..
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787
You're a damn liar. Everyone can check from my last link how you never answered, but left.

Same shame...
The cock-weather attitude, contradicting himself, cannot be given any credibility whatsoever.
viewtopic.php?p=111636#p111636
Debunked without answer (never? oh yeah)
viewtopic.php?p=117697#p117697
Continued... 6 months later!
viewtopic.php?p=127885#p127885

How can anyone be so much of a shameless pathological liar?

I was talking about every post in this thread and i didn't even bother to check the links. Now, out of desperation, you raise other threads?? You went into such absolute nonsense in those threads that it was pointless to even answer. If you can't admit a mistake in a more tangible thread like this one, how can anybody ever expect you to admit a mistake in a less tangible, philosophical thread? If you want, I'll go back and answer all of those posts and hand you your arss in those threads as well, so we can all watch you start dancing endlessly there. If you were wise, you wouldn't wish for that. As a matter of fact, i think I will as soon as i get time.

You'll be again contradicting yourself, like shown in the other examples: Are they pointless or not?
This is how your weather-cock 'logic' works!

And so I've answered (but not weeks or months later)...
viewtopic.php?p=163014#p163014

Dishonesty is stealing the arguments from another forum and bring them here as if they were your own!
http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... th-is-flat

Arnold, page 12 (and on... in 2007)
--Spreading out inherently involves flattening to the degree that it is spread.
page 13
--So why couldn't it mean that he spread the earth, and THEN provided sustenance?
--What happens when someone takes a ball of pizza dough and stretches it and spreads it out?

page 19
--Hills and mountains that were added after it was flattened out.
page 27
--I think so in the sense of a ball of pizza dough. If it is the land that it is speaking of and not the earth,
then it would follow that God flattened out the mountains and then added them, which doesn't make sense.


So you've stole the guy's arguments, changing few words, and put them as if they were yours!
You did the same when replacing Shakir's 'Messenger' for your 'Apostle'... How disgusting!
That's you alright.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:55 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry..
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787
You're a damn liar. Everyone can check from my last link how you never answered, but left.

Same shame...
The cock-weather attitude, contradicting himself, cannot be given any credibility whatsoever.
viewtopic.php?p=111636#p111636
Debunked without answer (never? oh yeah)
viewtopic.php?p=117697#p117697
Continued... 6 months later!
viewtopic.php?p=127885#p127885

How can anyone be so much of a shameless pathological liar?

I was talking about every post in this thread and i didn't even bother to check the links. Now, out of desperation, you raise other threads?? You went into such absolute nonsense in those threads that it was pointless to even answer. If you can't admit a mistake in a more tangible thread like this one, how can anybody ever expect you to admit a mistake in a less tangible, philosophical thread? If you want, I'll go back and answer all of those posts and hand you your arss in those threads as well, so we can all watch you start dancing endlessly there. If you were wise, you wouldn't wish for that. As a matter of fact, i think I will as soon as i get time.

You'll be again contradicting yourself, like shown in the other examples: Are they pointless or not?
This is how your weather-cock 'logic' works!

And so I've answered (but not weeks or months later)...
viewtopic.php?p=163014#p163014


Did you answer my latest responses in 5those threads?? I'll check later. Anyway, why are you bringing up other threads instead of sticking to this one?? Because it's a diversion to hide the spanking you are getting here. And arrogant turds such as yourself fully deserve it.

The Cat wrote:Dishonesty is stealing the arguments from another forum and bring them here as if they were your own!
http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... th-is-flat


It's the same exact topic you desperate lunatic. Where's the dishonesty in bringing up the same points that have already been made about the subject?? What is the matter with you?


The Cat wrote:Arnold, page 12 (and on... in 2007)
--Spreading out inherently involves flattening to the degree that it is spread.
page 13
--So why couldn't it mean that he spread the earth, and THEN provided sustenance?
--What happens when someone takes a ball of pizza dough and stretches it and spreads it out?

page 19
--Hills and mountains that were added after it was flattened out.
page 27
--I think so in the sense of a ball of pizza dough. If it is the land that it is speaking of and not the earth,
then it would follow that God flattened out the mountains and then added them, which doesn't make sense.


So you've stole the guy's arguments, changing few words, and put them as if they were yours!


Well, I'm a big fan of Arnold's. :D Besides, the points are the points. It's not a personal issue, it's an issue of the truth. What do you think, that this is about who can be more clever?? Ridiculous. You think this is some stupid little Cat and Mouse game?? You have severe mental issues. And you actually went back to 2007?????? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

The Cat wrote:You did the same when replacing Shakir's 'Messenger' for your 'Apostle'... How disgusting!
That's you alright.


Go look up Shakir's translations. He uses Apostle. :oops: :lol:
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/tran ... ir/004.htm

Here's some examples from Sura 4 which I linked above. It's plastered all over it. What could you possibly be thinking?
13. These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement.
14. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle and goes beyond His limits, He will cause him to enter fire to abide in it, and he shall have an abasing chastisement.
42. On that day will those who disbelieve and disobey the Apostle desire that the earth were levelled with them, and they shall not hide any word from Allah.
59. O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Apostle, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.
61. And when it is said to them: Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Apostle, you will see the hypocrites turning away from you with (utter) aversion.
64. And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
69. And whoever obeys Allah and the Apostle, these are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favors from among the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the good, and a goodly company are they!
79. Whatever benefit comes to you (O man!), it is from Allah, and whatever misfortune befalls you, it is from yourself, and We have sent you (O Prophet!), to mankind as an apostle; and Allah 15 sufficient as a witness.
80. Whoever obeys the Apostle, he indeed obeys Allah, and whoever turns back, so We have not sent you as a keeper over them.
83. And when there comes to them news of security or fear they spread it abroad; and if they had referred it to the Apostle and to those in authority among them, those among them who can search out the knowledge of it would have known it, and were it not for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy,
100. And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
115. And whoever acts hostilely to the Apostle after that guidance has become manifest to him, and follows other than the way of the believers, We will turn him to that to which he has (himself) turned and make him enter hell; and it is an evil resort.
136. O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Apostle and the Book which He has revealed to His Apostle and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His apostles and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.
150. Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His apostles and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His apostles and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and desire to take a course between (this and) that.
152. And those who believe in Allah and His apostles and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
157. And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
164. And (We sent) apostles We have mentioned to you before and apostles we have not mentioned to you; and to Musa, Allah addressed His Word, speaking (to him):
165. (We sent) apostles as the givers of good news and as warners, so that people should not have a plea against Allah after the (coming of) apostles; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
170. O people! surely the Apostle has come to you with the truth from your Lord, therefore believe, (it shall be) good for you and If you disbelieve, then surely whatever is in the heavens and the earth is Allah's; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
171. O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:37 pm
by skynightblaze
The Cat wrote:Dishonesty is stealing the arguments from another forum and bring them here as if they were your own!
http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... th-is-flat


:lotpot: :roflmao: All I can do is laugh at your stupidity . Man's words are his second face.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:01 pm
by The Cat
skynightblaze wrote:
The Cat wrote:Dishonesty is stealing the arguments from another forum and bring them here as if they were your own!
http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... th-is-flat

All I can do is laugh at your stupidity . Man's words are his second face.

This is from someone who used logical fallacies on an industrial level... someone who
fabricated false testimonies to suit his delusion and a self-admitted dishonest person.

False testimonies/logical fallacies/Authenticity
viewtopic.php?p=160616#p160616

Dishonesty
viewtopic.php?p=151241#p151241
viewtopic.php?p=151280#p151280

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:07 pm
by The Cat
MbL wrote: Where's the dishonesty in bringing up the same points that have already been made about the subject??

That you can't even quote your sources, appropriating them as your own, that's dishonest.
But hey thanks a lot for acknowledging that you've stolen your arguments elsewhere...

MbL wrote:Go look up Shakir's translations. He uses Apostle.

Answered in the proper thread...
viewtopic.php?p=163052#p163052

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:16 am
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Then be willing to simultaneously answer questions about the Quran as well, just like i said in the very beginning. It's that simple. I'm not stupid you senseless little troll. I don't fall for stupid little boy games.


hahahah oh man I am loving this. I did literally make you a mouse, haven't I. You are going to remember this for a long time... If you were taught what honesty means by your parents you would have answered me and would have come clean ...... How difficult it is for you to discuss one quote from bible :D


I love to expose to everybody what kind a low life miserable crock you are, try to pretend very logical while discussing quran, crockness probably runs in the family. So should we use bible punishment on gay men dear MLB ? :D What you say ? :D

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Iffo, it simply isn't going to work. I'm not taking the bait. I told you the terms for discussion. Now either you live up to what you agreed upon, or this conversation is over. If you live up to it, then I would be happy to continue this discussion.


Well crocky I forgive you and let you go .......... but remember I have taken off your pink underwear in front of everybody ......... and it will will be with me till you become a man and answer my question like a man ........ I am sure it must be very hurtful running away from a muslim like a mouse.... :D
Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:38 am
by Skenderbeg
Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Ok so in Jewish law if two man enganged in homosexuality both were supposed to be killed. whats the problem ?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:56 pm
by iffo
Skenderbeg wrote:
Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Ok so in Jewish law if two man enganged in homosexuality both were supposed to be killed. whats the problem ?


Not so easy Skenderbeg, Its in your bible. Jesus did not come to change previous prophets laws. He said that. Its not that you have free license to do ass banging ..

So is your bible God a BIGOT against homos, MLB where are you hiddng?

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:11 pm
by Skenderbeg
iffo wrote:
Skenderbeg wrote:
Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Ok so in Jewish law if two man enganged in homosexuality both were supposed to be killed. whats the problem ?


Not so easy Skenderbeg, Its in your bible. Jesus did not come to change previous prophets laws. He said that. Its not that you have free license to do ass banging ..

So is your bible God a BIGOT against homos, MLB where are you hiddng?

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


Jesus did not come to change previous prophets laws. He said that. Its not that you have free license to do ass banging ..



Its funny because the Quran says Jesus did come to change some of the laws in the torah.

And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. (Qur’an 3: 49-51).


what law's did Jesus come to make lawful that were forbidden in the Torah ? I don't know why you bring up the law about homosexulity. I don't think Jews used that 3000 year old law against gays, what is Islamic law for homosexuality ? and what did Mohammed teach about gays ? just asking here. i want to know what the Quran and Islamic tradation say about gays. after all the Quran makes everything clear :lol:

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:33 pm
by iffo
Skenderbeg wrote:
what law's did Jesus come to make lawful that were forbidden in the Torah ? I don't know why you bring up the law about homosexulity. I don't think Jews used that 3000 year old law against gays, what is Islamic law for homosexuality ? and what did Mohammed teach about gays ? just asking here. i want to know what the Quran and Islamic tradation say about gays. after all the Quran makes everything clear :lol:




Well if Jews did not follow does not mean law is not there, and you should have followed as well, because these apply on you too as Jesus said he is here not to change old laws ................ So is your GOD biggot towards homos? Was your god right to kill them? is this question too difficult for you to answer .......

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:25 pm
by sum
Hello iffo

Your quote -
Well crocky I forgive you and let you go .......... but remember I have taken off your pink underwear in front of everybody ......... and it will will be with me till you become a man and answer my question like a man ........

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, does it, iffo?

You accuse others of not answering your questions when you have steadfastly refused to answer mine. You continuously refused to tell me me what the point was for Koran 71.

If you think that it is acceptable for you to avoid answering others` questions, why does it become unacceptable for others to avoid your questions? Do you accept hypocrisy and double standards as your way of debating?

sum

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:44 pm
by Centaur
Well Jesus has surely overturned the Laws of OT except for the commandments
For example

OT
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
(Exodus 21:22-25 KJV)

NT
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

We also got examples Jesus preventing a Woman being stoned while Mo does just that. I can see desperate Muslim thinks OT is like Korand, but yet you wont see a single so called prophet of OT as vile as Mohammed , as none of them were paedophiles nor vile criminals like Mo.