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Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:43 pm
by iffo
Centaur wrote:These were the rules for a specific time when people were barbarians Like Paedophile Mohammed . Even Jews of the time of Jesus were not practicing it and If anything Jesus overturned the laws of OT, so what is the point in a desperate Paedo worshipper repeating it . oops Paedophile Mohammed ordered women to be stoned while doing incest with his daughter law. Gotcha :worthy:


You are just as blind as an illiterate guy living in African jungle. Is it ok to burn alive the priest's daughter if she sleeps around? What that has to do with barbarian or non barbarian people. Looks like your bible god was the biggest barbarian............ "Yes Jesus loves me, yes Jesus loves me" :lol: bunch of foolish kids.

They were not following those laws just like you are not following now. The reason is they are too ugly to follow. But you are suppose to follow as Jesus said he did not come to over ruler previous prophets laws ....................... So get it buddy ............ you can run but can not hide.

Matthew 17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:26 pm
by Nosubmission
iffo wrote:
They were not following those laws just like you are not following now. The reason is they are too ugly to follow. But you are suppose to follow as Jesus said he did not come to over ruler previous prophets laws ....................... So get it buddy ............ you can run but can not hide.

Matthew 17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".


What does fulfilment mean? Does a fulfilled promise remain a promise? Who is the foolish kid here? :D

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:30 pm
by frankie
iffo wrote:
Centaur wrote:These were the rules for a specific time when people were barbarians Like Paedophile Mohammed . Even Jews of the time of Jesus were not practicing it and If anything Jesus overturned the laws of OT, so what is the point in a desperate Paedo worshipper repeating it . oops Paedophile Mohammed ordered women to be stoned while doing incest with his daughter law. Gotcha :worthy:


You are just as blind as an illiterate guy living in African jungle. Is it ok to burn alive the priest's daughter if she sleeps around? What that has to do with barbarian or non barbarian people. Looks like your bible god was the biggest barbarian............ "Yes Jesus loves me, yes Jesus loves me" :lol: bunch of foolish kids.

They were not following those laws just like you are not following now. The reason is they are too ugly to follow. But you are suppose to follow as Jesus said he did not come to over ruler previous prophets laws ....................... So get it buddy ............ you can run but can not hide.

Matthew 17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".


Iffo:
The quote from Matthew 5:17 from Jesus,is confiming the completion (fulfillment)of the Law of Moses (the ten commandments) which are based on the loving of God and neighbour with equal measure.Jesus is THE fulfillment of this Law,being The Way The Truth and The Life,as prophesied throughout the O.T.Jesus bases his parables on the love each human should show in words and deed towards all peoples he meets throughout his lifetime.

It would be useful for you to read the New Testament Iffo,as it would greatly increase your knowledge of Christianity,something which all Muslims would benefit from doing,they would then know for sure whether this part of the Bible is, as they like to say corrupted.As only by reading from Christian scripture,and the core beliefs,which, by the way have never changed, can they be certain,that these same scriptures are corrupted ,or not.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:00 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:Like I said the people who complied bible books did not even meet and see Jesus in their life


No, not like you said. You said people who wrote it, not compiled it. There's a big difference.

iffo wrote:................. different books contradicts each other but you ego-centric christain boy is so blind in your faith that you don't want to admit it... you don't want to admit the ugliness in bible .......... thanks for exposing what kind a double standard hypocrite and crook you are. ......... your credibility is ZERO its people like you who have brought this FFI site down. If you were a honorable fellow you would have said yes bible is full have crape, but you did not even read bible I am sure :D


Iffo, the conversation is over. You promised to answer questions about the Quran if I answer questions about the Bible and now you refuse to do so. So you lied, plain and simple. Are you the least bit capable of feeling guilty about your dishonest, shameful behavior?? Why are Muslims so consistently dishonest and dishonorable?? What is it about Islam that makes them this way? You're not the only one as it seems that a vast majority of Muslims that come on this forum behave just as dishonorably as you do. Are Muslims so desperate that they feel forced to behave in such a shameful manner?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:04 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:Homo look what your bible says about homosexuals :lol:


And yet you lie and claim you are not a bigot, but it turns out, you're a HUGE bigot. So you've lost your right to complain about any bigotry towards Muslims.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:21 pm
by iffo
Nosubmission wrote:
iffo wrote:
They were not following those laws just like you are not following now. The reason is they are too ugly to follow. But you are suppose to follow as Jesus said he did not come to over ruler previous prophets laws ....................... So get it buddy ............ you can run but can not hide.

Matthew 17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".


What does fulfilment mean? Does a fulfilled promise remain a promise? Who is the foolish kid here? :D


I think you are :D

MLB
And yet you lie and claim you are not a bigot, but it turns out, you're a HUGE bigot. So you've lost your right to complain about any bigotry towards Muslims.


hahaha Forget about I am bigot or not little bud....... you tell me what should we do with you ?.......... should we do what your own bible says or you think this stuff should be taken out from bible as well? :D see how easy it was for me to expose you and grab you from your booty.

@frankie
nice try but not good enough .............. either you take this stuff barbaric shameful OT stuff out of bible or follow what it says ............ as Jesus says clearly he did not come to change anything of previous prophets .............. so you can make any story you want to cover up ........ but the point is your bible god was involved in some shameful / cruel immoral acts ........

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:28 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Iffo, how come I'm honest and you are dishonest? Why do Muslims always have to be so desperate to cheat? I can't understand how you can ignore your dishonesty and feel good about yourself. Maybe it's because your example was dishonest and dishonorable as well. That's all I can figure.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:42 pm
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Iffo, how come I'm honest and you are dishonest? Why do Muslims always have to be so desperate to cheat? I can't understand how you can ignore your dishonesty and feel good about yourself. Maybe it's because your example was dishonest and dishonorable as well. That's all I can figure.


Well I don't know what the heck you talking about, what dishonesty. You tell me first what should we do with you now? , because bible you were defending so passionately has really disappointed you, it has let you down and has come very hard on homos :D Must have hurt you real bad .......... For the first time in my life I feel sorry for you MLB. Why don't you come clean and say you disowned bible its men made brutal garbage?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:55 pm
by frankie
They"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"


@frankie
nice try but not good enough .............. either you take this stuff barbaric shameful OT stuff out of bible or follow what it says ............ as Jesus says clearly he did not come to change anything of previous prophets .............. so you can make any story you want to cover up ........ but the point is your bible god was involved in some shameful / cruel immoral acts ........[/quote]

Iffo:

As previously posted,the Law and teachings of the prophets in the O.T. Jesus points towards, are based on the love, God (Yahweh) has for mankind,in repeatedly asking for mankind to follow His Laws,i.e. 10 commandments.

If you want to say that "your bible god was involved in some shameful / cruel immoral acts" you as a Muslim,are on very shaky ground,as this "bible god" is allegedly the same one quoted as Allah in the Quran.

There is more than enough conclusive evidence,theological and otherwise, in the Quran, that Yahweh and Allah are not the same divine entities,and therefore both teachings have very different divine sources.
What are the origins then of the Islamic Allah,given they are not the same as the Christian,Jesus one?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:23 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Iffo, how come I'm honest and you are dishonest? Why do Muslims always have to be so desperate to cheat? I can't understand how you can ignore your dishonesty and feel good about yourself. Maybe it's because your example was dishonest and dishonorable as well. That's all I can figure.


Well I don't know what the heck you talking about, what dishonesty. You tell me first what should we do with you now? , because bible you were defending so passionately has really disappointed you, it has let you down and has come very hard on homos :D Must have hurt you real bad .......... For the first time in my life I feel sorry for you MLB. Why don't you come clean and say you disowned bible its men made brutal garbage?


Iffo, I told you that if I discussed the Bible, then we would also have to discuss the Quran. When I asked you if you understood that and asked if you would be willing to discuss the Quran as well, you said "of course". And now, you refuse to discuss the Quran.

Do you deny that you agreed to discuss the Quran along with the Bible? Remember, it's in writing.

How can you continue to lie like this?? Don't you have any conscience?? Maybe not, you're a Muslim, and I've seen many instances where Muslims lie and cheat and appear to have no sense of conscience at all. Seems to be their very nature. And then you have the nerve to complain about people not trusting Muslims?? How can you? You seem deceptive behavior as clever rather than shameful.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:47 pm
by The Cat
Alex wrote:
The Cat wrote:What happens when you pour out your inner thoughts, did they become flat or liquefied?

Please explain. How do you go about making the nonphysical actually physical? Last time I checked, people couldn't pour out their thoughts and mold it into a physical form...

Welcome at FFI, Alex...

Don't you cry when your loved one leave for good, pourring out your thoughts?

And I've given definitions to 'pour':
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pour
2. To send forth, produce, express, or utter copiously, as if in a stream or flood:
poured money into the project; poured out my inner thoughts.
2. (tr) to issue, emit, etc., in a profuse way.

The relation between mind & body is intricate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodymind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:55 pm
by The Cat
MbL wrote:Spread the earth AND THEN placed therein hills. 2 separate actions in chronological order. Part one, he spread the already existing earth. Part two, he created things in it (or on it).

Where do we read THEN or AFTER in 13.3?

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: 79.30-32:
And the earth after that He spread it. He brought forth from it, its water and its pasture
and the mountains, He made them firm, A provision for you and your cattle.

Right, he spread out the earth and then added mountains to it.

Here, we do see 'after' referring to 79.28-29, but where do we read 'then'?

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Even beds and cradles aren't flat at all, except by squaring your thoughts to a max...

They have flat surfaces you stupid lunatic. What do you think they rest on, a ball??

You're confusing a mattress and a cradle! It's never written 'mattress' but bed or cradle.
And a mattress does curve under your weight for comfort. It's not flat but rectangular.

MbL wrote:It (4.97) says Allah spread the earth out enough for them to go somewhere else. Elsewhere it even says he stretched it out. What happens when you stretch out a ball of pizza dough??

Again a single physical object can be much anything. Where is it talking about a ball of pizza? Can you migrate on such? :roflmao:

MbL wrote:any objective mind can clearly see what is going on here and how awful your attempts are.

So now an objective mind can only approve you? Arrogantly noxious from you...

How can 'generous, vast in range or scope, capacious, commodious' be associated with flatness like you do?
Oh yeah... that pizza! :prop:

MbL wrote:The verse contains a verb and refers to the action the ostrich does to create the nest.

Thanks for acknowledging that spreading out and creating the nest happen simultaneously, contradicting your own statement.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:20 pm
by The Cat
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: So when the tectonic plates spreaded out from Pangaea, they became more flat? Or is it that they EXTENDED, Your Sophistry?

So now, you change your angle to the tectonic plates excuse. Why don't you tell the rest of the class how that made the earth wider or more spacious? Tell the rest of the class how that made it more hospitable and more like a cradle.

Wrong, Your Sophistry. I've answered your ludicrous assertion that: When a singular physical object
gets spread out, it becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out
. What's a 'singular physical object'?

Now tell the rest of the class how the earth isn't the cradle of humanity, much more hospitable than say Mars or Venus?

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Which verses? I've named them all! Get them if you can... (but you won't).

No you haven't and you have only quoted the ones that you think will suit your argument, and even those ones don't work well.

See how I knew in advance that wouldn't mention them...

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:And only in your shrinked interpretation, way from the Koran, does it mean flat instead of wide (as spacious).

All you need to do is to take your silly alternate definitions and apply them to the case of the earth....
What happens when you make a singular physical object more wide?? .... all you need to do now is to tell us how that made the earth wider. ..... we're not talking about the universe, we are talking about the earth. ..... What happens when you spread forth or spread out a singular, solid physical object?

In Lane's Lexicon, we read ''spread out, or forth'' and also ''He (God) made the earth wide, or ample''.
We've seen how this is related to being spacious, ie. capacious, commodious (as an ostrich nest).

As in Kathir's tafsir, God spreading out means that He created the earth sound for living: hospitable.
http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ib ... 58381.html
So is it stated in 79.30-32 (dahaha).

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: The Koran is talking about spreading out, which Lane's define as WIDE (as in AMPLE), like an ostrich unfolding a communal nest.

The whole original page from Lane's Lexicon.
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/V ... 000023.pdf

In this whole pdf page, not a mention about flatness but rather... of a belly becoming fat, swollen.
Or of a camel spreading out its belly when lying to rest and sleep. Again, nothing flat involved...

And the ostrich spreads the dirt out and pats it down to do so. And it's talking about the earth being spread out.... The camels belly becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out. Anyway, the only thing that matters is it's usage in relation to the earth.

Your Sophistry, a camel or an ostrich's belly doesn't becomes flatter but wide extended when resting.

More from the Lexicon, disproving you
--Also He threw, or cast, and impelled, propelled....
--The belly was, or became, large, and hanging down;
-- it (the belly) was, or became, wide, or distended:
--or both signify it became swollen or inflated, or big, and hung down, by reason of fatness...
--He spread out, or extended, himself; lay upon a wide space of ground.
--The camels made hollows in the ground where they lay down, it being soft;
leaving therein cavities like thoe of bellies: thus they do only when they are fat.

Dahaha is much related to fatness/abundance, quite the opposite in plain fact of anything flat.

MbL wrote:What happens to a singular, solid physical object when it is extended, spread or becomes wider?

What happens to a bird spreading out its wings, the Universe getting wider or the Pangaea extending?
According to you, they become flat like a pizza, as do all singular physical object... :nono:

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'flatness'.
Period. You're on a flat balloon, Your Sophistry...

Lane's lexicon is defining the word, not what happens when the action is carried out.

What happens when the action was carried out is found in the Koran: a liveable place.

And what was carried out is plain to see as the earth is spreading out all forms of life, within diverse physical compounds.

Everyone can see and feel how the earth is spreading itself out... in wide scopes and ranges, having a walk or driving out.

MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Your Sophistry: ad Hominem mixed with Argumentum ad Populum noxiously backfire at... yourself.

And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry..
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787

I answered those posts already. Are we going to go around in circles??

You're a damn liar. Everyone can check from my last link how you never answered, but left.

Same shame...
The cock-weather attitude, contradicting himself, cannot be given any credibility whatsoever.
viewtopic.php?p=111636#p111636
Debunked without answer (never? oh yeah)
viewtopic.php?p=117697#p117697
Continued... 6 months later!
viewtopic.php?p=127885#p127885

How can anyone be so much of a shameless pathological liar?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:54 pm
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Iffo, how come I'm honest and you are dishonest? Why do Muslims always have to be so desperate to cheat? I can't understand how you can ignore your dishonesty and feel good about yourself. Maybe it's because your example was dishonest and dishonorable as well. That's all I can figure.


Well I don't know what the heck you talking about, what dishonesty. You tell me first what should we do with you now? , because bible you were defending so passionately has really disappointed you, it has let you down and has come very hard on homos :D Must have hurt you real bad .......... For the first time in my life I feel sorry for you MLB. Why don't you come clean and say you disowned bible its men made brutal garbage?


Iffo, I told you that if I discussed the Bible, then we would also have to discuss the Quran. When I asked you if you understood that and asked if you would be willing to discuss the Quran as well, you said "of course". And now, you refuse to discuss the Quran.

Do you deny that you agreed to discuss the Quran along with the Bible? Remember, it's in writing.

How can you continue to lie like this?? Don't you have any conscience?? Maybe not, you're a Muslim, and I've seen many instances where Muslims lie and cheat and appear to have no sense of conscience at all. Seems to be their very nature. And then you have the nerve to complain about people not trusting Muslims?? How can you? You seem deceptive behavior as clever rather than shameful.


Well we can see you don't qualify to give lectures to othersof honesty and shame, as you proving here to be the biggest dis-honest and hypocrite. Off course I remmber talk about Quran ....... but we are not done with bible.
I want you to tell me what should we do with your homos as bible is asking us to do something you would not like.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:03 pm
by marduk
Iffo only stays on a couple threads and avoids the ones that he can't answer, like ALL of mine. He might make a comment about how my posts are crazy or whatever, but he never actually addresses the issues I raised. Watch him avoid this;

16:4. He has created man from Nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge), then behold, this same (man) becomes an open opponent.

The egg is not in a "discharge", it stays inside the woman. The "discharge" is nothing, just some crap. Why is Allah so dumb, iffo?

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:22 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
iffo wrote: Off course I remmber talk about Quran ....... but we are not done with bible.


No where in the agreement did it say we would only talk about the Bible first. It said we will talk about both.

iffo wrote:I want you to tell me what should we do with your homos as bible is asking us to do something you would not like.


So does Islam, so what's your point?? Iffo, i told you before, I'm not a homosexual and I only bring homosexuality up to show you that YOU are the REAL bigot as you call others bigots. It's the old saying, "takes one to know one" :lol:

That said, you're shut off. Conversation is over until you decide to keep your agreement. Period. How stupid do you think I am?? As stupid as you?? It's obvious that you know the Quran has problems, which is why you never answer them and instead try to drag down other religions along with Islam. Typical Muslim behavior. And again, it does nothing to help Islam. You're just angry because you know Islam has been shown to be false, so you want revenge. That's proof that you know, deep down inside, that Islam is false, so you react angrily and emotionally. That said, this forum does not exist to teach little Muslim boys how to think while listening to their stupid ploys. You should probably leave and come back when you are ready for an adult conversation.

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:29 pm
by marduk
Doesn't matter how bad the Bible is, we all know it's a made up fairy tale book. YOU are claiming that the Quran is the real holy scriptures, with all prior errors corrected, yet it is even more silly and has worse errors than the Bible. At least the Torah didn't use material from the Midrash, a book written by Rabbis based on nothing but their own thoughts. The Quran included the Midrash fairy tale about Abraham and the idol shop. Oh sure, Abraham was impervious to fire and "Ur" means "fire" instead of what it really means, the city of Ur, part of a Babylonian god's name. And it doesn't include stories from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, like clay birds coming to life. Only Arabs and Paks would believe such nonsense. If that really happened, why didn't any of the four REAL Gospels mention it? That would have been his greatest miracle ever and they just ignored it, because it never happened!

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 pm
by sum
Hello iffo

You criticise the god of the Bible but Allah confirms the previous scriptures. Tell us how many gods there were. Allah does not say that the god of the OT and NT is a different god to him/herself, does he/she? So we have your god Allah acting under a different name in the previous scriptures which he confirms. Your Allah would not confirm the previous scriptures if they were not from him/her, would he/she? If you criticise the Bible you are criticising Allah. Not advisable at all as you will be destined to hell to burn alongside me which would make the torment even worse. Your posts are becoming sillier and more infantile.

sum

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:47 pm
by frankie
sum wrote:Hello iffo

You criticise the god of the Bible but Allah confirms the previous scriptures. Tell us how many gods there were. Allah does not say that the god of the OT and NT is a different god to him/herself, does he/she? So we have your god Allah acting under a different name in the previous scriptures which he confirms. Your Allah would not confirm the previous scriptures if they were not from him/her, would he/she? If you criticise the Bible you are criticising Allah. Not advisable at all as you will be destined to hell to burn alongside me which would make the torment even worse. Your posts are becoming sillier and more infantile.

sum


Nice one sum. :)

Obviously, you will not get a reply,as it hits the target of truth

Re: Who was Haman

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:14 pm
by iffo
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote: Off course I remmber talk about Quran ....... but we are not done with bible.


No where in the agreement did it say we would only talk about the Bible first. It said we will talk about both.

iffo wrote:I want you to tell me what should we do with your homos as bible is asking us to do something you would not like.


So does Islam, so what's your point?? Iffo, i told you before, I'm not a homosexual and I only bring homosexuality up to show you that YOU are the REAL bigot as you call others bigots. It's the old saying, "takes one to know one" :lol:

That said, you're shut off. Conversation is over until you decide to keep your agreement. Period. How stupid do you think I am?? As stupid as you?? It's obvious that you know the Quran has problems, which is why you never answer them and instead try to drag down other religions along with Islam. Typical Muslim behavior. And again, it does nothing to help Islam. You're just angry because you know Islam has been shown to be false, so you want revenge. That's proof that you know, deep down inside, that Islam is false, so you react angrily and emotionally. That said, this forum does not exist to teach little Muslim boys how to think while listening to their stupid ploys. You should probably leave and come back when you are ready for an adult conversation.


If you think your rant can get you out of it that easily you must be dreaming.
As I have your tail in my hand.

I just want to have a serious conversation with you, but it is too hard to have a serious converstion with crock like yourself.

Leviticus

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13


You explain me what you think of bible punishment for homos? Is bible god is BIGOT here? Is this too difficult for you to discuss that you are acting like a mouse and running away from me ?


You can run MLB but can not hide
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