Who was Haman

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The Haman hoax
http://answering-islam.org/authors/katz/haman.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Quite obviously, Bucaille lied. Ranke’s transliteration does not say “Haman”, nor does Ranke say anything about him being the “Chief
of the workers in stone-quarries”.... There is not even one Egyptian tablet, let alone many, on which the name Haman was found, nor is
the artefact with the inscription that allegedly contains the name Haman “a monument”; it is a door post and it does not say “Haman”.
Most ironically, there has not even been a “Hof Museum” in Vienna for more than eighty years!

The hoax, stage one: Maurice Bucaille
http://answering-islam.org/authors/katz ... aille.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The inscription as provided by Wreszinski does not make any kind of reference to any Pharaoh. Bucaille had decided (beforehand) to
identify this person with the Haman of the Qur’an. Therefore, based on the Qur’an, he says that he was an intimate of the Pharaoh
(which one?), as well as speaking of his great importance, but that is not something that can be deduced from this inscription. This
is a bold claim by Bucaille with absolutely nothing to support it, and thus further evidence that Bucaille simply invented the whole tale.....

But there is another part, in the middle of the inscription, that was not translated by Wreszinski.
Image (means Amun)

This was the common way to name the people appointed for certain duties at the temple of Amun....

Stage two: Islamic Awareness
http://answering-islam.org/authors/katz ... eness.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
See the graphic above...
First, the IA-team removed a space. They write Ranke’s transliteration as “hmn-h(?)” instead of “hmn-h (?)”. Does that make any
difference? Yes, it does, and in this case this difference is crucial. The question mark does not refer to the final “-h” alone, it refers
to the name as a whole. Second, there is a footnote attached to the question mark in parentheses. And this footnote explains why
the question mark is there. It is intellectually dishonest to make up another meaning for the question mark than the meaning given
by the author who put it there.....

One thing, however, is certain: Ranke did not suggest that the final “h” can be dropped. On the contrary, according to Ranke it is an
abbreviation for a longer name, probably Hemen-hetep, meaning “(the god) Hemen is merciful”..... The hieroglyph transliterated
“hmn”, is the name of an Egyptian deity. It is not the name of a human being, but the name of a god.

Stage three: Harun Yahya
http://answering-islam.org/authors/katz ... yahya.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Which I'll let you the pleasure to discover...

nb. There are much more observations in the links provided.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.

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Why are Muslims such desperate and habitual liars?
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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Why are Muslims such desperate and habitual liars?
Insecurity!
Muslims have no interest in the truth, they only care about maintaining their delusion.

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Not surprising that Haman wasn't mentioned in any Egyptian text, considering that it's a Persian or Babylonian name and not an Egyptian one. Gee, how did the almighty Allah miss that? Seems Allah and Jibril proved the Quran a fraud by mentioning a member of the court of Xerxes and saying that he was a member of the court of an Egyptian pharaoh, not just once but 6 times. I guess he wanted to make sure there was no miscommunication about the Quran being a fraud. Thanks for the very clear sign, Allah.
Many western scholars have concluded that Haman is unknown to Egyptian history. The name Haman is first mentioned in the Biblical book of Esther, some 1,100 years after Pharaoh. The name is said to be Babylonian, not Egyptian. According to the book of Esther, Haman was a counsellor of Ahasuerus (the Biblical name of Xerxes) who was an enemy of the Jews. It has been suggested that Prophet Muhammad mixed Biblical stories, namely the Jewish myths of the Tower of Babel and the story of Esther and Moses into a single confused account when composing the Qur'an.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... haman.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Esther 3:1 After these things King Ahasuerus promoted Haman the Agagite, the son of Hammedatha, and advanced him and set his throne above all the officials who were with him.
The term Agagite is used in the Book of Esther as a description of Haman. The term is understood to be an ethnonym although nothing is known with certainty about the people designated by the name. As the events of the Book of Esther occur in Persia, it is considered likely that the term refers to people from the Persian town of Agag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agagite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Jews seem to interpret it as Haman being a descendant of King Agag. Still Persian and still not Egyptian.

In some respects, Mordecai's struggle with Haman was an extension of the ancient Israelite war with Amalek. Mordecai's ancestor Saul had spared the life of the Amalekite King Agag. Mordecai refused to bow to Agag's descendent Haman, and Haman, in turn, tried to avenge himself by planning to exterminate the Jews of Persia.

Mordecai won on every score. First, King Ahasuerus, unable to sleep one night, chanced on the record of Mordecai's good deed on his behalf. Next, as a reward, the king ordered Haman, of all people, to parade Mordecai through the streets of Shushan on a royal horse, proclaiming, "This is what is done for the man whom the king desires to honor!" (Esther 6:11). Finally, Haman lost his life after Esther denounced him to the king, and Mordecai, of all people, replaced him as minister.

Did any of this Purim story really happen? Plenty of historians say it didn't. They point out that while King Ahasuerus may have been the Persian king Xerxes I, who reigned from 486 to 465 B.C.E., no references to the events described in the Scroll of Esther exist in Persian sources. Furthermore, the names Esther and Mordecai sound suspiciously like those of the Babylonian gods Ishtar and Marduk, making it likely that our story is a retelling, maybe a parody, of some ancient folktale or myth. Some scholars argue that the whole story was invented, possibly during the Second Temple era, to give a Jewish slant to an old, popular spring festival.
http://jhom.com/calendar/adar/lots.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There you have it, Muhammad claiming that the Persian Haman was an Egyptian. You don't get much more wrong than that. What happened to Allah's infallibility?

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How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.

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iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Then the Quran would have stated that mankind should disregard the Book of Esther, because if it didn't then we would have little choice but to think Muhammad was a fraud.

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iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Quote: There is not even one Egyptian tablet, let alone many, on which the name Haman was found, nor is the artefact with the inscription that allegedly contains the name Haman “a monument”; it is a door post and it does not say “Haman”. Most ironically, there has not even been a “Hof Museum” in Vienna for more than eighty years!


which part of this you do not understand, iffo?
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Quran miracle (27:18) : an ant SAID, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

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marduk wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Then the Quran would have stated that mankind should disregard the Book of Esther, because if it didn't then we would have little choice but to think Muhammad was a fraud.
Bible is corrupted we say all along

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iffo wrote:
marduk wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Then the Quran would have stated that mankind should disregard the Book of Esther, because if it didn't then we would have little choice but to think Muhammad was a fraud.
Bible is corrupted we say all along
Indeed Bible is corrupted and Christ was impostor. Well the only way to correct wrong of these Christians to preach Dawah to them and convert them to Islam., If they don't come to Islam Beat them Up and Rape them wherever we find iffo..

and.. and don't forget to send donations to Dawah International peace tv. dear iffo.

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iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
iffo,

you are very much like this guy....

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iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Bible is corrupted we say all along
Then why is it that the Koran repeats the same biblical flaws about 'Pharaoh'... which never was a personal name but a title.
There never was a pharaoh named 'Pharaoh'. This comes down to say that 'His majesty' is a proper name. Ludicrous...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, does it mean that the Koran is just as corrupted?
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.

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iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
The Quran and the Bible are both myths. iffo is desperate to convince us about the lies in the Quran. If the Quran was the Truth it would have been clear by now.

Even Muslims do not agree - every Muslim has his own interpretation. Mullah iffo, first go talk to Muslims, then come here to spout your nonsense.
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The Cat wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Bible is corrupted we say all along
Then why is it that the Koran repeats the same biblical flaws about 'Pharaoh'... which never was a personal name but a title.
There never was a pharaoh named 'Pharaoh'. This comes down to say that 'His majesty' is a proper name. Ludicrous...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, does it mean that the Koran is just as corrupted?
I don't think it should be considered a mistake if bible / quran called him Pharaoh. Its not they gave him that name but even before the bible time he was called by his own people Pharaoh, that's how the world knew him.

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iffo wrote:
The Cat wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
Bible is corrupted we say all along
Then why is it that the Koran repeats the same biblical flaws about 'Pharaoh'... which never was a personal name but a title.
There never was a pharaoh named 'Pharaoh'. This comes down to say that 'His majesty' is a proper name. Ludicrous...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, does it mean that the Koran is just as corrupted?
I don't think it should be considered a mistake if bible / quran called him Pharaoh. Its not they gave him that name but even before the bible time he was called by his own people Pharaoh, that's how the world knew him.
Moron his TITLE was Pharaoh just like many countries have a man with the TITLE King . Its a position not a NAME. Why are Mohammedans so cretinous.
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Knowing the Pharaoh's name would have made the Quran the word of God. The world would have been astonished if the Quran had said Thutmose II. Sadly, it didn't do that, proving conclusively that it is mere plagiarism with very bad translation of the source texts by Muhammad, who may have been able to read SOME Syro-Aramaic, just enough to be able to engage in trade but not enough to properly read religious texts. Even a child can read SOME words by simple recognition of their basic forms.
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iffo wrote: Its not they gave him that name but even before the bible time he was called by his own people Pharaoh, that's how the world knew him.
The same way the world thought the sky was a canopy, the seven heavens were visible, a wall trapped a community forever........etc?!

Which are all myths confirmed by the Koran:

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Hasn't the penny dropped yet? :lol:
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piscohot wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
iffo,

you are very much like this guy....



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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
piscohot wrote:
iffo wrote:How about one say Quran story is correct and bibie story is wrong like many others that he was persian.
iffo,

you are very much like this guy....



:lol:
:lotpot:
old bag should be sent to mental institution

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iffo wrote: old bag should be sent to mental institution
He's merely giving the correct, honest interpretation of the Quran. He's honest and you are not, but rather self deluding. It's really that simple, even though you'll never admit it.

And these hadiths even confirm that the Quran says the sun orbits the earth. How much denial can you possibly be in?
Sahih Al-Bukhari

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’" (36.38)
So not only does it say the sun orbits the earth everyday, Muhammad also makes an impossible prophecy about the sun reversing the course it travels and rising in the west, when in fact, if the sun reversed the actual course it traveled, that would have nothing to do with it rising in the west. And any prophecy is not supposed to come from Muhammad, and instead Allah is supposed to have given it to him. So either Muhammad is wrong and dead crazy, or Muhammad is a flat out liar.As far as the authenticity of the hadith, it's confirmed in other hadiths as well.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 520:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I entered the mosque while Allah's Apostle was sitting there. When the sun had set, the Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is allowed, and (one day) it, as if being ordered to return whence it came, then it will rise from the west." Then the Prophet recited, "That: ‘And the sun runs on its fixed course (for a term decreed)," (36.38) as it is recited by ‘Abdullah.
Sahih Muslim

Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything (unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith.
It's not my fault that you and other Muslims feel the need to lie to yourselves and live in denial.
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