Clearly, following others is following their footsteps in the belief in Allah, not following them in what books they have wrote, for example here is Ibrahim telling his father to follow him:
O my father! Surely the knowledge has come to me which has not come to you, therefore follow me, I will guide you to an even path.[The Quran ; 19:43]
يا ابت اني قد جاءني من العلم ما لم ياتك فاتبعني اهدك صراطا سويا
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therefore follow me, I will guide you to an even path. And here is Harun telling the Jews the same:
And certainly Harun said to them before: O my people! You are only been tried by it, and indeed, your Lord is the Compassionate, therefore follow me and obey my command.[The Quran ; 20:90]
ولقد قال لهم هارون من قبل يا قوم انما فتنتم به وان ربكم الرحمن فاتبعوني واطيعوا امري
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therefore follow me and obey my command , certainly prophet Harun was not telling them to follow books that he wrote down and were not sent by Allah, impossible.
And Jesus too, he commanded the people to follow him, in this verse Allah is telling us about the true followers of Jesus and their reward:
And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to cause you to die and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieved and am making those who followed you above those who disbelieved until the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and l will decide between you concerning that in which you disagree.[The Quran ; 3:55]
اذ قال الله يا عيسى اني متوفيك ورافعك الي ومطهرك من الذين كفروا وجاعل الذين اتبعوك فوق الذين كفروا الى يوم القيامه ثم الي مرجعكم فاحكم بينكم فيما كنتم فيه تختلفون
-> See what Allah is telling Jesus regarding those who followed him:
and am making those who followed you above those who disbelieved until the day of resurrection Certainly Jesus did have man made books of hadith for his followers to follow, rather the Injil that Allah sent down to him. Now, if you look around you, you should see that all Christians claim to be the followers of Jesus, same with Muslims, they all claim to be the followers of Mohammed, the striking similarity between them is that they think that they are followers of those prophets while the fact remains intact, that all those Mushrikoon are not following their prophets, RATHER THEY ARE FOLLOWING WHAT THEIR CONFUSED ULAMAA WROTE DOWN TO THEM. The confused Mushrik Muslims follow their many man made books of hadith, and likewise the confused Christians follow their many man made books that is called NT. Non of them is actually following the words of Allah that were revealed/sent down by Him.
All prophets must be obeyed and followed, Mohammed was no exception in this, see this verse:
And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they dealt unjustly with themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Relenting, Merciful.[The Quran ; 4:64]
وما ارسلنا من رسول الا ليطاع باذن الله ولو انهم اذ ظلموا انفسهم جاؤوك فاستغفروا الله واستغفر لهم الرسول لوجدوا الله توابا رحيما
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And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission , see, even Mohammed was following and obeying the message of Ibrahim, therefore if we do the same, then we are followers and obedient to the commands of Allah.
In the following verse, we read that those unjust people when they face the music of death, they will ask Allah to delay their death so they follow the MESSENGERS:
And warn people of a day when the torture will come to them, then those who did injustice will say: O our Lord! Delay us to a near term, we will answer Your call and follow the messengers. Had you not sworn before that there will be for you no removal.[The Quran ; 14:44]
وانذر الناس يوم ياتيهم العذاب فيقول الذين ظلموا ربنا اخرنا الي اجل قريب نجب دعوتك ونتبع الرسل اولم تكونوا اقسمتم من قبل ما لكم من زوال
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those who did injustice will say: O our Lord! Delay us to a near term, we will answer Your call and follow the messengers , can you see that the word
Messengers is plural, i.e. all messengers should have been followed by all people, not just Mohammed, and I can assure you that all messengers with the exception of Mohammed, never had those man made books describing how they pissed, how they ate, and how they slept with their wives.
Another example is prophet Nuh, he commanded his people to follow him, however they did not and followed something else, let’s have a look:
Nuh said: My Lord! Indeed, they have disobeyed me and followed him whose wealth and children have added to him nothing but loss.[The Quran ; 71:21]
قال نوح رب انهم عصوني واتبعوا من لم يزده ماله وولده الا خسارا
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Nuh said: My Lord! Indeed, they have disobeyed me and followed him whose wealth and children have added to him nothing but loss. From this verse we can clearly conclude that following the prophets is following their message, while disobeying the prophets must render the people unbelievers, it is black or white, no grey color in here, however those who chose to follow the messengers can not shirk with the message anything, doing so will create many shades of grey that will only result in confusion after confusion with the final outcome that they will secure their pits in hell, if we choose to follow the messengers then we should only follow what Allah sent with them, because it is not really following the messengers, it is all about following Allah, therefore if we follow the messengers in what Allah has sent with them then we will be following Allah alone. Let’s look at the following 2 verses to clarify this very important point:
The example below is hypothetical, i.e. it would have never happened, in this verse, Allah is telling us that if He had punished any people without sending a messenger to them, they would have cried like cowards and asked Him that if He has sent a messenger to them, they would have followed something, let’s see what that something is:
And had We destroyed them with torture before this, they would have said: O our Lord! Why did You not send to us a messenger so we would have followed Your signs before we were humiliated and disgraced?[The Quran ; 20:134]
ولو انا اهلكناهم بعذاب من قبله لقالوا ربنا لولا ارسلت الينا رسولا فنتبع اياتك من قبل ان نذل ونخزي
-> See the hypothetical example:
And had We destroyed them with torture before this, they would have said: O our Lord! Why did You not send to us a messenger , now you expect that they would continue saying:
so we follow him, but they did not say so, rather:
so we would have followed Your signs before we were humiliated and disgraced, see how clear it is, they did not ask for a messenger to follow him, rather asked for a messenger to follow the signs of Allah, i.e. we should only follow the messengers in all the sings from Allah they brought in, not following them in how they piss, or how they eat, or how they sleep with their wives, it just does not make sense to follow them in everything they did in their daily lives, and if it does make sense to follow them in how they piss, how they eat and how they slept with their wives, then the sense must be IDOL WORSHIPPINHG
The same message is repeated again:
And were it not that there should befall them a disaster for what their hands have sent before, then they should say: Our Lord! Why did You not send to us a messenger so we would have followed Your signs and been of the believers![The Quran ; 28:47]
ولولا ان تصيبهم مصيبة بما قدمت ايديهم فيقولوا ربنا لولا ارسلت الينا رسولا فنتبع اياتك ونكون من المؤمنين
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Why did You not send to us a messenger so we would have followed Your signs , SEE HOW THEY DID NOT SAY:
SO WE FOLLOW THEM, this means that following the message of all prophets is the exact same as following Allah signs, this only apply if we follow the prophets in what Allah sent with the messengers, certainly, how they pissed was not a sign from Allah, how they ate, was not a sign from Allah and how they slept with their women was not a sign of Allah, therefore those confused humans who want to follow Mohammed, in how he pissed, how he ate, how he grew a beard, and how he slept with his wives, are nothing but a bunch of idol worshippers, it is exactly the same as those who take the singers or the sports heroes as idols, by wearing what they wear or doing things in life like as they do exactly.
Prophet Shuaib also asked the people to follow him, while the opposition was asking the people not to follow him:
And the chiefs who have disbelieved from among his people said: If you follow Shuaib, then certainly you shall be losers.[The Quran ; 7:90]
وقال الملا الذين كفروا من قومه لئن اتبعتم شعيبا انكم اذا لخاسرون
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And the chiefs who have disbelieved from among his people said: If you follow Shuaib, then certainly you shall be losers. SEE HOW WITH EVERY PROPHET/MESSENGER, the people should have followed them, Mohammed is no exception, and most certainly Shuaib did not have such man made books of hadith about him for the people to follow.
Prophet Hud too, asked the people to follow him, yet they did not, rather followed the command of every stubborn tyrant:
And that was Ad; they denied the signs of their Lord, and disobeyed His messengers and followed the command of every stubborn tyrant.[The Quran ; 11:59]
وتلك عاد جحدوا بايات ربهم وعصوا رسله واتبعوا امر كل جبار عنيد
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And that was Ad; they denied the signs of their Lord, and disobeyed His messengers and followed the command of every stubborn tyrant.Those people who like to follow the humans in things that Allah never sent, come in masses over the history, for example the people of Musa, instead of following him they followed Firon:
To Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they followed the command of Pharaoh, and the command of Pharaoh was not guided[The Quran ; 11:97]
الي فرعون وملئه فاتبعوا امر فرعون وما امر فرعون برشيد
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but they followed the command of Pharaoh Following the message of belief does not really need a book, for example, people who are not believers after hearing the message, are following Satan, and as we know Satan has no books for them to follow:
Indeed, My servants, you have over them no authority except those who follow you from among the deviators.[The Quran ;15:42]
ان عبادي ليس لك عليهم سلطان الا من اتبعك من الغاوين
-> See what Allah is telling Satan:
except those who follow you from among the deviators. And indeed, many follow Satan without reading any book:
And certainly the Shaitan found true his conjecture concerning them, so they follow him, except a party of the believers.[The Quran ; 34:20]
ولقد صدق عليهم ابليس ظنه فاتبعوه الا فريقا من المؤمنين
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And certainly the Shaitan found true his conjecture concerning them, so they follow him, except a party of the believers. Certainly Satan never produced a book for those deviators to follow, yet they are called FOLLOWERS
See how for following Satan, it does not need to follow any books, an example of such people are the enemy of Islam on FFI web site
index.php , who argue about Allah on a daily basis, and guess what, they too are followers, the followers of Satan that is:
And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge, and follows every rebellious Shaitan;[The Quran ; 22:3]
ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد
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And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge, and follows every rebellious ShaitanLet me show you an example of following the prophet:
And thus We have made you a moderate nation that you may be witnesses against the people and the messenger may be a witness against you; and We did not make the Qiblah that you observed in the past except that We know who follows the messenger from the one who turns back upon his heels, and it was surely huge except for those whom Allah has guided; and it is not for Allah to make your faith of no value; indeed Allah is Kind and Merciful to all the people.[The Quran ; 2:143]
وكذلك جعلناكم امه وسطا لتكونوا شهداء على الناس ويكون الرسول عليكم شهيدا وما جعلنا القبله التي كنت عليها الا لنعلم من يتبع الرسول ممن ينقلب على عقبيه وان كانت لكبيره الا على الذين هدى الله وما كان الله ليضيع ايمانكم ان الله بالناس لرؤوف رحيم
-> See above, Allah has changed the Qiblah, now Mohammed should have delivered such message which is already stated in the Quran that it was a command from Allah to change the Qiblah, why you think that Allah commanded to change the Qiblah? To expose those who are the true followers of the prophet or not, see:
and We did not make the Qiblah that you observed in the past except that We know who follows the messenger from the one who turns back upon his heels . Certainly I followed the messenger as many people did in such Qiblah aspect, an aspect that is clearly a command from Allah, yet Allah is referring to it as if it was a command from Mohammed that we should follow him through, HOW CLEAR. This means that we should only follow Mohammed in what Allah has commanded him, not in how he ate, not in how he pissed and not in how he slept with his wives, now, for those who like to take Mohammed as an idol in all these activates, then I have bad news for them, they are rendered IDOL WORSHIPPERS.
The striking fact of the matter is this, not only the people should follow the messengers, but they may also follow other believers, let’s see this example which is directed at the believers:
And if you invite them to the guidance, they will not follow you; it is the same to you whether you invite them or you are silent.[The Quran ; 7:193]
وان تدعوهم الي الهدي لا يتبعوكم سواء عليكم ادعوتموهم ام انتم صامتون
-> See what Allah is telling all the believers:
And if you (plural) invite them to the guidance, they will not follow you (plural), I have added the word (plural) in brackets so those who know no Arabic understand that the message is for the believers and not for Mohammed alone, this verse clearly proves that not only Mohammed or other prophets that should be followed, rather all those who call for the way of Allah should be followed. Mohammed was no expectation.
Now, if we want to follow other people who call for the way of Allah, then they must be calling for the way of Allah, if we follow them in anything else except the call for Allah, then I can assure you that following most of those on earth will lead their followers astray:
And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from way of Allah; indeed they do not follow but conjecture and indeed they are only mute.[The Quran ; 6:116]
وان تطع اكثر من في الارض يضلوك عن سبيل الله ان يتبعون الا الظن وان هم الا يخرصون
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And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from way of Allah; , why is that you reckon? Because those people who use other man made crap books of hadith or other man made books only follow conjectures, see:
indeed they do not follow but conjecture and indeed they are only mute. I honestly cannot wait until that day, when all those man made hadith worshippers will be mute.
Now, if we are talking about following the sayings of others (not the words of Allah), then Allah told us clearly in His Quran that we should FOLLOW the best of sayings:
Those who listen to the saying, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.[The Quran ; 39:18]
الذين يستمعون القول فيتبعون احسنه اولئك الذين هداهم الله واولئك هم اولوا الالباب
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Those who listen to the saying, then follow the best of it; , certainly all these man made books of hadith are the sayings of all these people, it can not be the saying of Allah, therefore according to 39:18, the believers in Allah are permitted to reject many of these hadith sayings that can not be the best of sayings, how the following can be the best of saying:
1- The allegation that the prophet married Aysha when she was 6 years old, which does not make any sense.
2- The allegation that the prophet used to sleep with all his wives in an hour of a day or an hour of a night while not having a bath in between, which contradict the Quran
3- The allegation to drink camel urine, which does not make any sense
4- The allegation of stoning the adulterers, which contradicts the Quran
5- The allegation of killing the apostates, which contradicts the Quran.
6- The allegation that the prophet used to drink wine, which contradicts the Quran
I can keep listing many of such crap and non sense that are only found in the man made crap books of hadith.
There is only one criteria to be able to judge if any saying is bad, good or best, the criteria is simply to compare all such conjectures with the Quran, if it violates it the slightest then such saying can not be best, nor even good, rather a clear cut bad saying that much be rejected and dismissed in the nearest rubbish bin, yet you see most of those Muslims upholding such non sense as if it is from other divine books next to the book of Allah, would that be a type of SHIRK? I say it has to be if you read the following verse:
And most of them do not believe in Allah except while they are polytheists.[The Quran ; 12:106]
وما يؤمن اكثرهم بالله الا وهم مشركون
-> Now, 12:106 is very clear, it is talking about those who claim to believe in Allah, i.e. the Muslims must be included, the context of the above verse has to apply to all humanity, in fact it applies more to the Muslims who boldly claim to believe in Allah, they are indeed believers, that is what 12:106 is telling us, however the same verse is telling us that they are Mushrikoon at the same time, now many of them may say, but the Muslims claim no other god next to Allah, well, I have very bad news for them, Shirk is many types, the most obvious one is to claim that there is another god with Allah, even children should know that, and I agree that the Muslims do not belong to the polytheists of that type, however they certainly belong to the following Mushrikoon:
Or have they associates who have prescribed for them in the religion that which Allah does not sanction? And were it not for the word of judgment, decision would have certainly been given between them; and surely the unjust shall have a painful punishment. [The Quran ; 42:21]
ام لهم شركاء شرعوا لهم من الدين ما لم ياذن به الله ولولا كلمة الفصل لقضي بينهم وان الظالمين لهم عذاب اليم
-> One of the sectarian sunni Muslims whom I debated over a year ago and confronted him with the above verse, he came back with a lame and stupid reply, he told me that 42:21 does not say that following the books of hadith is Shirk, to be honest, I just dismissed him on the fly, I have no time for such stubborn and confused people, and ironically I am not inviting them to the way of Allah, I am only confronting them as well exposing them, see, I agree that the above verse does not say that following the man made books of hadith is shirk, HOWEVER the verse is clearly describing to us an act of shirk, the act of following what the humans prescribe in the religion that Allah never sanctioned, see:
Or have they associates who have prescribed for them in the religion that which Allah does not sanction? HOW CLEAR, how many Imam, Mufti, Sheikh and Mullahs have prescribed to us in the religion what Allah never sanctioned? And from where all those associates bring their prescription? The answer should be clear, it is from their man made crap books of hadith, the books that Allah never sent down nor revealed it to the prophet. You need to read such crap books and find for yourself that at least 90% of it is pure non sense, at least 50% of those 90% are at best described as cheap episodes from Jerry Springer show. On top of that you must consider the following facts:
1- The hadith contradict itself within the same book.
2- The hadith writers contradict other hadith writers.
3- Many of the hadith in all books CLEARLY contradict Allah words.
Holy crap, surely these books can not be the straight path that Allah sent down and want us to follow, there is no straightness in it, rather confusion after confusion and contradiction after contradiction, let me give you a very clear and simple to understand example:
We have been taught that we may shorten our prayers (
Taqsir Al Salat) if we travel more than 80 km or about, on the other hand Allah is telling us something else regarding
Taqsir Al Salat, let’s have a look:
And if you travel in the land, then there should be no blame on you if you shorten the prayer if you feared that those who have disbelieved will cause you discord, indeed the unbelievers are your obvious enemy. [The Quran ; 4:101]
واذا ضربتم في الارض فليس عليكم جناح ان تقصروا من الصلاة ان خفتم ان يفتنكم الذين كفروا ان الكافرين كانوا لكم عدوا مبينا
-> See how clear the reason to shorten the prayer as stated by Allah:
And if you travel in the land, then there should be no blame on you if you shorten the prayer if you feared that those who have disbelieved will cause you discord, i.e. IF ONLY THE UNBELIEVERS IN SUCH LAND MAY CAUSE DISCORD TO US WHEN THEY SEE US PRAYING, it has absolutely nothing to do with distances, rather the fear that the unbelievers in such land where we travelled will try to cause discord to you, it can be even in next town 5 Km away, and certainly if I travel 1000 km to a land where its people will not cause discord to me when they see me praying, then there is absolutely no shortening in my prayer.
The above example proves the stupidity and ignorance of most Muslims, you know why they are so stupid and ignorant when it comes to the religion, because they are blindly following what their parents taught them, fine accept what your parent teach you, but as long as it does not contradict or manipulate what Allah has commanded regarding the same matter, now if you do and take such non sense of a reason to shorten the prayer, then I am sorry to tell you that 42:21 must apply to you, because YOU FOLLOWED WHAT THESE PEOPLE PRESCRIBED IN THE RELIGION THAT ALLAH NEVER SANCTIONED, and in this case of shortening the prayer, Allah even sanctioned something else that is totally ignored by all those Muslims who shorten their prayer, I am telling you, these people must be Mushrikoon along their belief. It cannot get more obvious for Allah sake.
Here you have it, the actions of all those confused Muslims caused a retarded punk of a kafir like Khalil Fariel of FFI to come and have balls to say all his crap that you can not be a Muslim without believing in the books of hadith, as if the retarded punk know what a Muslim is, however I have to excuse such punk because in my last 25 years of life I have discovered the fact that most Muslims do not know what a Muslim mean, that is because they ignored the Quran and only pondered upon the man made crap books of hadith, this is obvious if you go to any mosque on Friday prayer and listen to the
khutbah i.e.
Speech of all those confused Imams, all they talk about is, hadith, hadith, hadith hadith, and Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, very sickening indeed, you know why I called it as such, well let me show you the next verse:
And the mosques belong to Allah, so do not call with Allah anyone.[The Quran ; 72:18]
وان المساجد لله فلا تدعوا مع الله احدا
-> How clear again, I say yeh those Imams mention the name of the Allah, BUT ONLY WHEN THEY PRAISE MOHAMMED, i.e. when they mention Mohammed, they say
Salla Allah Alaihi Wa Salam, see in the process of praising Mohammed, they mentioned Allah, WITHOUT PRAISINSG ALLAH, in fact if you read the English writings of many of those confused Muslims, you will always see most of them writing the word Mohammed then after it in brackets (SAWS), i.e. the confused freaks abbreviated the name of Allah to the letter
A while writing the name of Mohammed complete, HOW DUMB AND CONFUSED THEY ARE. The Arab writers are as confused as those English writers, when they write Mohammed in Arabic you see after it straight away in very tiny font and the words on top of each other ‘Salla
Allah Alaihi Wa Salam’ in Arabic, you can barely ready the word Allah in it, or they just write the letter ‘Sad’ between brackets, you can see a sample on this web site
http://www.tibneen.com/Mohammad.aspx , how clear that those confused Muslims are clearly Mushrikoon and idol worshippers of Mohammed.
you know why those Mushrikoon shorten the words
Salla Allah Alaihi Wa Salam because they mention Mohammed zillions of times in like 15 minutes speech or one page document, they have to bloody shorten it, otherwise when you try to read such writing it may look like that it is the only sentence in there
Salla Allah Alaihi Wa Salam, regardless of my joke, the fact remains intact that they also mention the name of Allah zillions of times while when they praise Mohammed, while absolutely not caring to praise Him the slightest, all they care about is to praise Mohammed, let me show you the next verse and see for yourself the striking similarity:
And when Allah alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter shrink, and when those other than Him are mentioned, at once, they are joyful.[The Quran ; 39:45]
واذا ذكر الله وحده اشمازت قلوب الذين لا يؤمنون بالاخرة واذا ذكر الذين من دونه اذا هم يستبشرون
-> See the striking similarity:
And when Allah alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter shrink, and when those other than Him are mentioned, at once, they are joyful. I agree that the verse above is talking about those who do not believe in the hereafter, while all those confused Muslims claim to believe in the hereafter, however how we know that those Muslims really believe in the hereafter, see these verses:
2:8 And of the people, some who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not believers.
2:9 They deceive Allah and those who believed, and they deceive not but themselves; and they do not perceive.[The Quran ; 2:8-9]
2:8 ومن الناس من يقول امنا بالله وباليوم الاخر وما هم بمؤمنين
2:9 يخادعون الله والذين امنوا وما يخدعون الا انفسهم وما يشعرون
-> How clear again:
And of the people, some who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not believers. , the problem is for them, THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW IT, see:
They deceive Allah and those who believed, and they deceive not but themselves; and they do not perceive.There is no more for me to say, but only for now, I have far, far more to say and I have been saying it for the last 5 years, yet to see one of those who call themselves Muslims, to prove me wrong, but of course by using the Quran only, their man made crap books of hadith can not be admissible as a religious evidence due to its massive flaws.
What is said by FFI retard ‘Khalil Fariel’ is supposed to be his part 1 where he presented 2 Quran verses as his suppose to be compelling evidences that you cannot be a Muslim without following the man made books of hadith , apparently he is working on part 2, but I say, the best course of action he should do after finishing it, is to shove it up his, or up the one for all those confused Muslims, and if he can shove it in both, it will be very much appreciated by me.
Salam
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:43 am
kinds of ad hominem stuffs, I am sure, you can broaden your credentials.
LOL