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Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Fernando » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:38 pm

Angelika Neuwirth has published a book reporting progress of the "Corpus Coranicum" project to analyse the Sanaa Koran manuscripts (and others?). She seems to have ruled out (or simply ignored) any idea of a divine origin and considers that it was developed over time by Mohammed aided and abetted by discussion with his friends. There's a quite difficult article about what is probably a very difficult book, which as a minimum seems to rule out a handed-down unalterable book for all men for all time. This, note, is from a modern German academic study of real manuscripts. So you know it makes sense (I'm sure you did anyway :sml: ).
Will the literalists now pipe down? I doubt it!
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Ibn Rushd » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:32 pm

In Gabriel Said Reynold's new books, he actually points out that Neuwirth is part of the movement to keep the most critical scholarship out of the public eye, and to downplay a multiple authorship. She has ties to modern-day Nazi supporters too. During and after WW2, the Nazis lied about manuscripts and photographs being destroyed (they weren't). Also, in his The Qur'an and its Biblical Subtext he takes apart her school of thought which follows the old Nöldeke timeline of Meccan and Medinan suras. This is based wholely on the Islamic literature and tafsir, making it a medieval theological exercise. She doesn't take John Wansbrough seriously either.

You can check the thread "Armstrong on KFR" for some more posts I did on this, and sample pages on Reynolds.
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Fernando » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:07 pm

Thanks for that - I thought she seemed a bit soft on Islam. Time for me to do some further reading!
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Ibn Rushd » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 am

You mean Armstrong or Angelika?
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Fernando » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:20 pm

Ibn Rushd wrote:You mean Armstrong or Angelika?
Angelika soft, Armstrong totally suckered!
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Ansar al-Zindiqi » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:22 pm

The "Late Antique Qur'an" | Angelika Neuwirth
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Ansar al-Zindiqi » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:30 pm

The Classical Arab Christian Presentation of the Faith in the Islamic Milieu
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Re: Corpus coranicum - Koran debunked

Postby Ibn Rushd » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:44 am

Fernando wrote:Angelika soft, Armstrong totally suckered!


Right, I couldn't decided if you meant Angelika or not with your previous statement, but I can't imagine in this day and age anyone taking Armstrong seriously!!! Glad someone agrees with me.

Ansar, I'll have to check out those videos.
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