skynightblaze wrote:Its a collective writing by Umar & Thabit and then the 3 quraish. It's a lie that all these members consulted with each other and then wrote the quran. It was Thabit and Umar at first.After that quran remained with Hafsa for 20 years. After then came the 3 quraish who made changes to quran.... I am not mixing the first or second recension.
It was Thabit confirmed by 2 memorizers for each verse, finally checked by Umar for the first recension. Yet this original version
never seemed to have acquired any official status, something like a secured blueprint. That's what Hafsa received and kept.
It's later, as the versions of some -sole- memorizer (like Masud, Musa, Kab, Ali) multiplied that the decision of Uthman was made
to fix the text in the dialect of Muhammad, that of the Quraysh. As reported by Hudhaifa, people were starting to argue over them,
such or such variant being truer. Thus the decision made that Ibn Thabit be helped by three people, experts in that original dialect.
Which, under the circumstances, was sound and rallied the most of the shahaba, Ali included.
So all those 'changes' must have been determined by differences with the original dialect and needed adjustments.
skynightblaze wrote:Abu Musa confesses that a particular chapter was lost and he remembered only 1 verse out of it so the battle of Yamana was the cause for loss of original quran that came from Muhammads mouth.
So for Abu Masud who only remembered about 70 suras out of 114. Yet, as the prime scribe of Muhammad, Ibn Thabit was present
at least to the last -two whole recitations- of the Koran (B.6.61.620). In fact to every of Muhammad's Ramadan's yearly recitation.
As the official scribe he must have wrote it down, even many times. How can anything be lost then?
Only the Uthman's codex wasn't a sole testimony codex but the work of a team from 'men of authority'.
skynightblaze wrote:I dont know of any source other than Abu Dawud as far as this hadith is concerned however I can prove that least 3 changes made to Hafsa's quran by Uthman/Thabit/3 quraish.
So this uncorroborated thing about Marwan must be hold suspicious at the very least. Passing...
As I've said the 'changes' were merely corrections from dispersed dialects to fit the original one.
Being the product of a sole compiler, none of the other codex met the Koranic requirement of 2 testimonies,
Not even accredited by 'men of authority', shahada of old too. So says the very link you gave about verse 112.
skynightblaze wrote:Hafsa was following the quran collected by her father Umar for 20 long years and she would naturally prefer her father's copy than Uthman's copy.
Anyone give much sentimental value to such a gift. Yet even Ali gave up his, joining the consensus.
More so, Abu Musa was the leader for Ali (against his will) at the arbitration of Siffin. He was
chosen by the people of Kufa and had a codex of its own, right after the Muawiyah stratagem.
Yet we hear of no dissension over the burning of the other codex, including that of Hafsa...
Conclusion: The Uthman's codex was especially assembled to stop the dissensions. Since we don't even hear ANYTHING
against his codex in all the griefs leading to his murder, we must conclude that it was perceived as sound and rallying.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.