The Cat wrote:MbL wrote:You're looking mighty incompetent at this point. Perhaps Islam has infected the brain of an otherwise intelligent person.... You're nothing but a wishful charlatan..... I can't believe you're even going to attempt to argue about this. It's getting pathetic.... When are you going to take the veil off?
You sound like AB...
--You WROTE that Asad was the ''most dishonest of translators'' (not only Shakir).
I never said Shakir was a dishonest translator. Why do you think i use him?"
The Cat wrote:
But you've quoted him on this 'apostle' thing,
I never said Shakir was a dishonest translator. Why do you think i use him?"
The Cat wrote:
while ALL the other translations say 'messenger'.
Which verse are you talking about?? Let's take a look at the other translators.
The Cat wrote:
An apostle and a Koranic messenger aren't the same. That's Mr. Asad mistake
I never quoted Asad you incompetent moron.
The Cat wrote:
and you uphold it. Do you think that Gabriel is an apostle or a messenger? A Koranic messenger is directly linked with Gabriel,
thus with God. Such aren't apostles, merely propagandists, advertisers. See? I guess you can't.
No i don't see, as your sentence made no sense. Do you drink heavily?? You said that messengers are directly linked with Gabriel and thus with God and then said that they aren't apostles, merely propagandists, advertisers. See?? You don't even know what you write. Why is anybody supposed to take your cuckoo attempts with any seriousness?? Pick your translator and let's see if they never call Muhammad an apostle. There's another challenge for you to pretend that you never heard.
The Cat wrote:
--16.43 talks about the 'followers of the Remembrance'.
In the wrongly translated 21.105, 'Scripture' is the Arabic Zabur, the Psalms.
I don't even remember mentioning 21.105, so what does this have to do with anything?? Nice try at spin.
The Cat wrote:
So in 16.44, Muhammad is ordered to instruct those who know what came before the Psalms (the Reminder) that good tidings are
on the way. Not, as you claimed, that they had to follow his personal example! Silly and confused as usual...
Fine:
33:21. Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
Where do we get Muhammad's example from?? Certainly not the Quran.
The Cat wrote:
--The behavior of Muhammad is only exemplary, of a sublime morality, in that he believed in Allah. Do you mean to say
that he was exemplary in his belief of himself?
No, I mean he was an excellent example to follow. You still won't answer why all those verses don't just say to follow Allah, they say to follow Allah and Muhammad. If your silly invention was true, then Muhammad need not be mentioned, but he
consistently is.
The Cat wrote:
That's ludicrous as you are. All messengers are to be obeyed equally so, no,
ibn Khatir isn't spot on. Show me where all the prophets are commanded to obey Muhammad?
He said Muhammad was the last and mightiest of messengers and that Allah commanded that Muhammad be obeyed. How could the other prophets be asked to obey Muhammad when they lived before him?? Silly moron. Nice try at spin, but it failed. Honestly, how stupid do you think people are?? I don't believe that was a mistake on your part, but a willful attempt at dishonesty to hopefully save your pride.
The Cat wrote:
It's the other way around:
2.130; 3.59; 4.125; 42.13. 24.54: The messenger hath no other charge than to convey (the message) plainly. Get it?
24:56. And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and obey the Apostle, so that mercy may be shown to you.
26:215. And be kind to him who follows you of the believers.
26:216. But if they disobey you, then say: Surely I am clear of what you do.
59:7....and whatever the Apostle gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah;....
The Cat wrote:
--Jesus was born sinless and he remained so as a sign and a statement of truth. See?
Where's the verse??
The Cat wrote:
--Memory problem? You said that the Socratic Greece and Thomas Jefferson were discredited. You wrote: Yes!
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So I've answered: Good luck with that...

What luck do I need?? I consider them discredited. Jesus, on the other hand, was not.
The Cat wrote:
Now, i need a break from such industrial silliness ! No wonder FFI is deserted!
Oh, yes yes, when you paint yourself into a corner, paint it as silly.

Soooo dishonest, but that's what your excessive pride forces you to do. I hate to break the news to you, but you simply are not as smart as you fancy yourself to be. When are you going to wake up to that fact??