phildidge wrote:Dear Muhammad bin Lyin
I am afraid it is not a case for proving them to be false, the case is for the hadiths to be proved authentic,
Take that up with Muslims who believe the hadiths, not with us or even Ali. The point is, if anybody is guilty of libel, it is the people who told these stories and the people who compiled them, not the person who quotes them. Can you possibly understand that??
with your lunatic theology on this,
Theology?? Do you even understand the meaning of that word?? Why are you misusing it?? What you meant to say is "with your lunatic rationale or approach". How come you keep coming up as such a dummy??
we can claim the gosples as need to be proved not authentic, yep you are of the school of knowledge, not, ha ha ha, tell that to any teacher, please, I will love their response and please post this.
If you say that the gospels are false, then how can you prove someone wrong that says Jesus was a good man? What basis would you use to PROVE that this claim is false?? You still don't get it. We;ll, maybe you actually do, but you are trying anything you can to save face.
I have answered everyone on here,
Not me and not peoshi either. We both asked you how you have proven Ali to be wrong and you never answer that. No matter how much you cast doubt of whether he is right or not, that still does not prove him wrong. Can't you understand that?? Of course you can but you refuse to understand that. This thread was over at page six.
just because you think you are right, does not mean you are my little cherub.
And the same doesn't go with you?? What is the matter with your head?? What is eating at it??
To think over 600,000 stories were handed down by word of mouth for over 300 years, word for word,
I never said word for word and I even said there could be some embellishments and even inaccuracies, but I don't see where that dismisses the validity of all of them, or even many of them. Again, go have it out with the 90% of Muslims that believe in the integrity of the hadiths. Why have it out with us?? You can't prove Ali wrong if you throw the hadiths out and I've already told you why and you even know this, but you continue to ignore it because it exposes the fundamental misunderstanding of the challenge that you made. And again, this was settled on page six, troll.
That is what i would normally expect from someone of faith, not someone who claims to be intelligent and has beaten me,
All you have to do is to show me how you have proven Ali wrong. At most, you have prevented him from being proven right, that's all. Honestly, what is so difficult about this that your thick head can't see it?? It's nothing but straightforward, logical common sense.
Oh, quit faking it, OK?? We're not stupid here and we can see through an act.
please excuse me while i cry laughing
You're not laughing at all. Again, people aren't stupid here and they see right through your silly little fake act. When i see behavior such as this, I know that the exact opposite of what the person is claiming is actually true. I'm sorry that you simply can't admit when you've made an error, but that's your problem, not mine.
You live in the land of dreams, not reality I am afraid, lets face it with this line of thoughtThe Golden Fleece must exsist,
So you don't even understand my ;line of thought properly?? Is it actually possible that you could be this stupid or is it simply stubbornness??
I am sure muslims have a method for the hadiths, so do western scholars, it is called, requiring contemporary outside sources to show any of these are true.
Again, you should be having these arguments with the 90% of Muslims who find the bulk of them to be authentic, not us. This is silly. All that Ali does is to accurately quote from a source that 90% of Muslims accept. Tell me how that is supposed to be lying?? If anybody is lying, it would be the initial story tellers or the 90% of Muslims that say most hadiths are authentic, not Ali. Why is this so hard for you to understand? You make it sound like Ali made all of this up. That's how horrible your reasoning is. If he misquoted them on purpose, THEN he could be charged with libel. Get it?? Get it?? Of course you don't because you don't WANT to get it.
Richard Dawkins does not hide, but states religion is fake,
Van Gogh didn't hide either and that's why he got stabbed and killed. Funny how you blatantly ignore that. Salmon Rushdie didn't hide at first either and used his real name, which caused him to have to go into hiding because of the death fatwa issued against him. Go ahead, just blatantly ignore that. Absolutely amazing.
why is he not under death threats, yet he mocks religion,
Because he is not specific to mocking Muhammad like Van Gogh, Rushdie and Ali Sina are. It's a pretty easy question to answer. Where is your common sense??
do you know what common sense is and being fooled,
Do you?? This is ridiculous.
I guess not, silly boy. No western scholars on islam are under threat and they dispute islam, why are they not under threat?
Because they walk on eggshells and are not directly critical of Muhammad himself. There, easy, simple answer.
This should be good.
How do you like it now?? Sure, just go ahead and blatantly ignore Van Gogh and Rushdie. How in the world you could possibly consider yourself a solid, objective thinker, I will never know.
Utter rubbish, he knows if he presents it as a paper, it will be debunked and you know it.
What is the difference between a paper and an entire book that is published for everyone's consumption?? What is the matter with you?? Are the scholars somehow prevented from reading his book?? Look at how ridiculous and desperate you are being.
Actually you can catch him for libe,
Any more than any Muslim who quotes the hadiths??? That's all he does. You make it sound like HE invented this stuff. You're out of your mind.
if there any living relatives, they could sue for defamation of character,
Look, would you stop trying to act like an attorney. It couldn't be any more obvious that you are no such thing, so stop pretending to be one. Here's a stupid question that your stupid mind never thought of. If Ali could be sued for libel, why hasn't any Muslim done that?? He could be sued in absenteea. Now shut your festering gob.
they could be non-muslim and show the works are not authentic and Ali has no right to insult him, sorry, the works would not be under trial he would fo rthe claim, whoopped your butt again there, so easy.
What is preventing them from doing that now?? He has a book that is available for all to read. You never answer this because you can't.
If you have learnt anything from history you will understand preaching hatred only creates more hatred,
Prove it. That's your opinion. For every example you show me, I can show you one that says the opposite.
but I guess, you have no idea, when you have much hatred in your heart,
And now here we go with the appeal to emotion, when it is actually you that are emotional about it.
shame really, bash one out, it may relieve the pressure.
Oh dear here we go again with verses:
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33
How does this excuse the Quran verses?? Never mind, I know you won't answer that.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.[/quote]
"Neither the prophet, nor those who believe shall ask forgiveness for the idol worshipers, even if they were their nearest of kin, once they realize that they are destined for Hell."
As I say, willmight as well class all religion as evil, it seems they are all selfish, but are all able to love, so is it down to how it is taught?
It's down to what the verses themselves say.
Of course it is, as many follow a faith, through love and peace, all have good and bad, your argument, redundent, as all have done bad and show evil and good, if you fail to recognise this, you show no common sense, but it is easy to show up bigots, thinkg I will do a little dance now
I guess you never could have imagined how bad your post would be debunked.