darth wrote:The Cat wrote:Look who's lacking logic, himself using the logical fallacies of Argumentum ad Populum and Poisoning the Well!
A person who uses quranic verses to authenticate itself ought not to talk about logic (or scientific methodology) at all.
Even more surprising thing is people blindly follow this con man and cannot see through the deception. CAT is accusing you of some logical fallacies and he uses these buzz words often and yet he doesnt even understand what they mean and how they are to be applied . He is a gigantic troll to be precise.
Well now let us show him that some of the quranic verses exist in the quran only once and hence they are fabrications
Obviously Mecca is mentioned in the quran in the verse 48:24. He himself doesn't understand arabic though he loves to pretend that he knows . A native arabic speaker told me that sh!t heads from free minders apply the meaning of the root to the word formed from it. That is not how arabic language works. Words can have a different meaning from the roots from which they are derived. Now Since I aint an arabic literate I only know this much. There must be a good reason as to why every single translator has translated the 48:24 to include Mecca in it.
More ever the only new point that is worth addressing that he has brought here is that quran doesn't mention the location of Mecca. I may as well ask him to show the location of Mecca as described by the Sahih Bukhari or Sahih muslim ahadith. As far as I know sahih bukhari or sahih muslim hadith only talk about Mecca but they too are silent about location of Mecca and hence this sh!t head argument is useless to the core. Rest of the arguments about Abraha's scripture indicate his intellectual bankruptcy to understand what the other person writes.
Anyway he is asking as to why I defend the hadith. Its because quran alone sh!t heads want to tell us that Muhammad was a saint and therefore they need to eliminate the hadith. I defend hadith not because there is some useful content in it but because it exposes islam for what it is. Muhammad was a criminal . Period! Now what I do is use the very same islamic sources like hadith to attack islam.
Let's see an example to understand the vastness of CAT's stupidity ..Suppose if one claims that hitler killing millions of jews is a fact then does that mean he/she supports mass murders? According to this idiot CAT THATS SUPPORTING A MASS MURDERER because we are defending this and claiming that its a genuine fact ! Now Just because history is ugly we don't deny it. WE face it and condemn it. That's what I do with those ahadith. I don't deny they are ugly . I only say that they are true and that's what islam is all about.
Now most of the arguments used to debunk ahadith are useless and some of the arguments which create a problem for ahadith also create a problem for quran so logically speaking islam = Quran + ahadith or else its none and therefore muslims are left logically with 2 choices :
1) Take hadith as true and accept that Muhammad was a criminal
2)Agree that both these books are unreliable