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Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:20 pm
by BaigZaheer
Centaur wrote:
But there are still many infidels who want to embrace Islam, like Sinéad O'Connor. Christianity is slowly dying..

A mentally troubled irreligious person accepts Islam without knowing anything about it or believing all the lies she might have heard about it thru the left leaning media like peace blah blah and Muslims celebrates like there is no tomorrow.In the meantime people with better iq who studied and promoted Islam for enough finally saw the evil side of Mo and Islam and leaves it.Unlike Christianity Mohammedanism is built on fear and suppression of freedom of speech as practiced by Mo who sent assassins to behead his critiques. Internet has the potential to wipe out Mohammedanism.Muslim countries know it and that is why they put pressure on social n/w to suppress free speech and thought. Islam will fall its a question of not if but when.


I found her comment on Twitter very striking:

This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim.

This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian’s journey.

All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant. I will be given (another) new name. It will be Shuhada’"


Agree wholeheartedly with her comment:

"All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant."

My comment:

Qur'aan clearly talks about abrogating the past scriptures and I believe that she has read, studied and understood Qur'aan well.

Many claimed 2+ decades ago that Islam will be gone in ten years but many of those have already gone or expired. Islam is still there all over the world.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:34 pm
by Centaur
anyone can make grandiose claims when doesn't need to substantiate it.most probably repeating the lies she has been told.she wouldn't even last a few seconds against knowledgeable islamocritique.Troubled people often desperately crave for attention And if islam can give them that attention that would by just fine.Made for each other.
Attention seeker meets special needs religion/cult.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 pm
by manfred
This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian’s journey.


Well she is arguing like a Muslim already. Any non-Muslim, she says, must be stupid. Her parents too, presumably...


Agree wholeheartedly with her comment:

"All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant."

My comment:

Qur'aan clearly talks about abrogating the past scriptures and I believe that she has read, studied and understood Qur'aan well.


I am 100% sure she has not ready even a tiny part of the Qur'an as that would immediately contradicts her. Already she demands the burning of libraries and the closure of all channels of information and knowledge, as she has a little book by an Arab which she has not yet begun to understand.

What she is demonstrating is how Islam affects people, how it shuts out enquiry and how it treats non-Muslims. Her new found faith came with a load of baggage, and clearly a solid dose of arrogance is part of that too. Suddenly she is more educated than any theologian who ever lived. She will stay with her fad for a few weeks and then find something else. Most likely the trigger will be when she discovers that to "real Muslims" an Irish convert to Islam has short term propaganda value but in general is despised and distrusted. She will loose many friends and Muslims who before conversion were kind and attentive will quickly fade away. BaigZaheer has explained that aspect himself by telling us that "fake hadith" are often produced by converts. Converts are not to be trusted.

So on one hand the Qur'an "confirms" certain scripture but BaigZaheer says it also "abrogates" the same texts. Does that make sense to any one?

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:49 pm
by Fernando
manfred wrote:
This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian’s journey.


Well she is arguing like a Muslim already. Any non-Muslim, she says, must be stupid. Her parents too, presumably...
Not to mention herself, until she drank of the Kool Aid.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:16 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:
I am 100% sure she has not ready even a tiny part of the Qur'an as that would immediately contradicts her. Already she demands the burning of libraries and the closure of all channels of information and knowledge, as she has a little book by an Arab which she has not yet begun to understand.
Could you stand in front of a mirror, see your own face or take a selfie screenshot yourself . You yourself have never read the entire Quran, don't criticize other people.


What she is demonstrating is how Islam affects people, how it shuts out enquiry and how it treats non-Muslims. Her new found faith came with a load of baggage, and clearly a solid dose of arrogance is part of that too. Suddenly she is more educated than any theologian who ever lived. She will stay with her fad for a few weeks and then find something else. Most likely the trigger will be when she discovers that to "real Muslims" an Irish convert to Islam has short term propaganda value but in general is despised and distrusted. She will loose many friends and Muslims who before conversion were kind and attentive will quickly fade away.
She has found new love, it is Allah.

As Allah said, Then do ye remember Me; I will remember you. Be grateful to Me, and reject not Faith. [2:152] :D

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:48 am
by manfred
You have no idea what I have read as you do not know me at all. I cannot tell if you ever read the Qur'an, but I do know you are ignorant of it.

And Allah is not to be loved but feared, and bribed.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:53 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:You have no idea what I have read as you do not know me at all. I cannot tell if you ever read the Qur'an, but I do know you are ignorant of it.
You have told us that you are celibacy, skinny, old man, a lecturer, your mother is an Indonesian, you hate Muhammad for believing he married Aisha, who is 6 years old, etc :*)

And Allah is not to be loved but feared, and bribed.
Allah never said to fear Him. He said the unbeliever like you should be afraid of His punishment.

In the Bible there are many passages that mention the fear of God, not love. But Christians don't fear God by committing crimes, adultery, drunkenness, nakedness, porn actresses / actors, incest, etc because they know Jesus is responsible for their sins, not them. :whistling:

Re: MUHAMMAD AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:18 am
by manfred
SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:You have no idea what I have read as you do not know me at all. I cannot tell if you ever read the Qur'an, but I do know you are ignorant of it.
You have told us that you are celibacy, skinny, old man, a lecturer, your mother is an Indonesian, you hate Muhammad for believing he married Aisha, who is 6 years old, etc :*)

And Allah is not to be loved but feared, and bribed.
Allah never said to fear Him. He said the unbeliever like you should be afraid of His punishment.

In the Bible there are many passages that mention the fear of God, not love. But Christians don't fear God by committing crimes, adultery, drunkenness, nakedness, porn actresses / actors, incest, etc because they know Jesus is responsible for their sins, not them. :whistling:


Fearing Allah in the Qur'an: (Too many to show in one post)


Spoiler! :
O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me. (Surah Al-Baqara, 40)

And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. (Surah Al-Baqara, 41)

Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness.For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah.And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. (Surah Al-Baqara, 74)

So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither: that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided; (Surah Al-Baqara, 150)

The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality.If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him.But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (Surah Al-Baqara, 194)

And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah.But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice.And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all.This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque.And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. (Surah Al-Baqara, 196)

For Hajj are the months well known.If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj.And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it.And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct.So fear Me, o ye that are wise. (Surah Al-Baqara, 197)

Celebrate the praises of Allah during the Appointed Days.But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right.Then fear Allah, and know that ye will surely be gathered unto Him. (Surah Al-Baqara, 203)

The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe.But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. (Surah Al-Baqara, 212)

Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah.And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe. (Surah Al-Baqara, 223)

When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; He wrongs his own soul.Do not treat Allah.s Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse Allah.s favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and Wisdom, for your instruction.And fear Allah, and know that Allah is well acquainted with all things. (Surah Al-Baqara, 231)

The mothers shall give such to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term.But he shall bear the cost of their food and clothing on equitable terms.No soul shall have a burden laid on it greater than it can bear.No mother shall be Treated unfairly on account of her child.Nor father on account of his child, an heir shall be chargeable in the same way.If they both. decide on weaning, by mutual consent, and after due consultation, there is no blame on them.If ye decide on a foster-mother for your offspring, there is no blame on you, provided ye pay (the mother) what ye offered, on equitable terms.But fear Allah and know that Allah sees well what ye do. (Surah Al-Baqara, 233)

O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Surah Al-Imran, 102)

It is only the Evil One that suggests to you the fear of his votaries: Be ye not afraid of them, but fear Me, if ye have Faith. (Surah Al-Imran, 175)

O ye who believe! Persevere in patience and constancy; vie in such perseverance; strengthen each other; and fear Allah.that ye may prosper (Surah Al-Imran, 200)

O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you. (Surah An-Nisa’, 1)

Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah.They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least! (Surah An-Nisa’, 77)

O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord.But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part).Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah.for Allah is strict in punishment. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 2)

O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice.Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah.For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 8)

O ye who believe! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you when certain men formed the design to stretch out their hands against you, but ((Allah)) held back their hands from you: so fear Allah.And on Allah let believers put (all) their trust. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 11)

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 28)

O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 35)

It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light.By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah.s will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah.s book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price.If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 44)

O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed). (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 57)

Eat of the things which Allah hath provided for you, lawful and good; but fear Allah, in Whom ye believe.. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 88)

O ye who believe! Allah doth but make a trial of you in a little matter of game well within reach of your hands and your lances, that He may test who feareth him unseen: any who transgress thereafter, will have a grievous penalty. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 94)

Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb.And fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be gathered back. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 96)

That is most suitable: that they may give the evidence in its true nature and shape, or else they would fear that other oaths would be taken after their oaths.But fear Allah, and listen (to His counsel): for Allah guideth not a rebellious people: (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 108)

Give this warning to those in whose (hearts) is the fear that they will be brought (to judgment) before their Lord: except for Him they will have no protector nor intercessor: that they may guard (against evil). (Surah Al-An‘am, 51)

"To establish regular prayers and to fear Allah.for it is to Him that we shall be gathered together." (Surah Al-An‘am, 72)

O ye who believe! if ye fear Allah, He will grant you a criterion (to judge between right and wrong), remove from you (all) evil (that may afflict) you, and forgive you: for Allah is the Lord of grace unbounded. (Surah Al-Anfal, 29)

But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah.for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surah Al-Anfal, 69)

Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! (Surah At-Tawba, 13)

The mosques of Allah shall be visited and maintained by such as believe in Allah and the Last Day, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, and fear none (at all) except Allah.It is they who are expected to be on true guidance. (Surah At-Tawba, 18)

But verily the reward of the Hereafter is the best, for those who believe, and are constant in righteousness. (Surah Yusuf, 57)

They said: "Art thou indeed Joseph?" He said, "I am Joseph, and this is my brother: Allah has indeed been gracious to us (all): behold, he that is righteous and patient,- never will Allah suffer the reward to be lost, of those who do right." (Surah Yusuf, 90)

Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will..yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)! (Surah Ar-Ra‘d, 13)

Those who join together those things which Allah hath commanded to be joined, hold their Lord in awe, and fear the terrible reckoning; (Surah Ar-Ra‘d, 21)

To the righteous (when) it is said, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "All that is good." To those who do good, there is good in this world, and the Home of the Hereafter is even better and excellent indeed is the Home of the righteous,- (Surah An-Nahl, 30)

They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded. (Surah An-Nahl, 50)

Allah has said: "Take not (for worship) two gods: for He is just One Allah.then fear Me (and Me alone)." (Surah An-Nahl, 51)

To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and on earth, and to Him is duty due always: then will ye fear other than Allah. (Surah An-Nahl, 52)

For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good. (Surah An-Nahl, 128)

He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory). (Surah Al-Anbiya’, 28)

In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the criterion (for judgment), and a Light and a Message for those who would do right,- (Surah Al-Anbiya’, 48)

Those who fear their Lord in their most secret thoughts, and who hold the Hour (of Judgment) in awe. (Surah Al-Anbiya’, 49)

O mankind! fear your Lord! for the convulsion of the Hour (of Judgment) will be a thing terrible! (Surah Al-Hajj, 1)

And verily this Brotherhood of yours is a single Brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other). (Surah Al-Muminun, 52)

Verily those who live in awe for fear of their Lord; (Surah Al-Muminun, 57)

So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) Allah.s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah. that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not. (Surah Ar-Rum, 30)

Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,- (Surah Ar-Rum, 31)

O mankind! do your duty to your Lord, and fear (the coming of) a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the promise of Allah is true: let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah. (Surah Luqman, 33)

Their limbs do forsake their beds of sleep, the while they call on their Lord, in Fear and Hope: and they spend (in charity) out of the sustenance which We have bestowed on them. (Surah As-Sajda, 16)

There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what Allah has indicated to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the command of Allah is a decree determined. (Surah Al-Ahzab, 38)

(It is the practice of those) who preach the Messages of Allah, and fear Him, and fear none but Allah. And enough is Allah to call (men) to account. (Surah Al-Ahzab, 39)

Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah. (Surah Fatir, 18)

And so amongst men and crawling creatures and cattle, are they of various colours. Those truly fear Allah, among His Servants, who have knowledge: for Allah is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving. (Surah Fatir, 28)

Thou canst but admonish such a one as follows the Message and fears the (Lord) Most Gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefore, good tidings, of Forgiveness and a Reward most generous. (Surah Ya Sin, 11)

They shall have Layers of Fire above them, and Layers (of Fire) below them: with this doth Allah warn off his servants: "O My Servants! then fear ye Me!" (Surah Az-Zumar, 16)

But it is for those who fear their Lord. That lofty mansions, one above another, have been built: beneath them flow rivers (of delight): (such is) the Promise of Allah. never doth Allah fail in (His) promise. (Surah Az-Zumar, 20)

Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah.s praises. Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide. (Surah Az-Zumar, 23)

And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: until behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers will say: "Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell therein." (Surah Az-Zumar, 73)

"Who feared ((Allah)) Most Gracious Unseen, and brought a heart turned in devotion (to Him): (Surah Qaf, 33)

O ye who believe! When ye hold secret counsel, do it not for iniquity and hostility, and disobedience to the Prophet; but do it for righteousness and self- restraint; and fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be brought back. (Surah Al-Mujadala, 9)

What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; In order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah. for Allah is strict in Punishment. (Surah Al-Hashr, 7)

(Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah.: but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!" (Surah Al-Hashr, 16)

O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and let every soul look to what (provision) He has sent forth for the morrow. Yea, fear Allah. for Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. (Surah Al-Hashr, 18)

Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, verily, thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah. Such are the similitudes which We propound to men, that they may reflect. (Surah Al-Hashr, 21)

So fear Allah as much as ye can; listen and obey and spend in charity for the benefit of your own soul and those saved from the covetousness of their own souls,- they are the ones that achieve prosperity. (Surah At-Taghabun, 16)

O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah. and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation. (Surah At-Talaq, 1)

Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah. Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out, (Surah At-Talaq, 2)

Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. (Surah At-Talaq, 4)

Allah has prepared for them a severe Punishment (in the Hereafter). Therefore fear Allah, O ye men of understanding - who have believed!- for Allah hath indeed sent down to you a Message,- (Surah At-Talaq, 10)

As for those who fear their Lord unseen, for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward. (Surah Al-Mulk, 12)

But none will keep it in remembrance except as Allah wills: He is the Lord of Righteousness, and the Lord of Forgiveness. (Surah Al-Muddaththir, 56)

Verily in this is an instructive warning for whosoever feareth ((Allah)). (Surah An-Nazi‘at, 26)

And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, (Surah An-Nazi‘at, 40)

Their abode will be the Garden. (Surah An-Nazi‘at, 41)

The admonition will be received by those who fear ((Allah)): (Surah Al-A‘la, 10)

Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher. (Surah Al-Bayyina, 8)



As to love of Allah, the God of the bible loves the sinner (but not the sin) . By contrast Allah only "loves" obedient little mobots... specially those who kill for him:
61:4 Truly Allah loves [hubb] those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.


The insane message of Allah in the Quran is to "love" Allah or face eternal torture. It is like a man who forces his girlfriend to stay with him with threats of acid attacks. And the best way to show "love" to Allah is to kill unbelievers.

So the Qur'an is right to emphasise the fear of Allah: Allah is a mad as Mohammed was.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:43 pm
by SAM
manfred wrote:As to love of Allah, the God of the bible loves the sinner (but not the sin).
:lotpot: No wonder the sinners have crucified His son because it is not sin.

By contrast Allah only "loves" obedient little mobots... specially those who kill for him:
61:4 Truly Allah loves [hubb] those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.


The insane message of Allah in the Quran is to "love" Allah or face eternal torture. It is like a man who forces his girlfriend to stay with him with threats of acid attacks. And the best way to show "love" to Allah is to kill unbelievers.

So the Qur'an is right to emphasise the fear of Allah: Allah is a mad as Mohammed was.
Today many kafirs still fear Muslims, not Allah. It makes more infidelity become Islamophobia :lol:

Re: MUHAMMAD AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:57 pm
by manfred
No wonder the sinners have crucified His son because it is not sin.


I see your ignorance screaming all over the net... You never heard of "unconditional love"? Then you do not even know what love really is. Look at your mother, she gives you a hint: No matter what you do, she will always be there for you. She will try to guide, but gently, without force. How blind can a man be not to see things like that.

And also...

Muslims believe that they are not bound by any agreements with non-Muslims and that it is their duty to either kill or humiliate/enslave (with jiziah and other measures) any non-Muslims. This does not so much inspire fear but contempt and distrust, which is quite justified. I am not afraid of those who need my taxes to buy socks or bread.... Nor do I hate them. But it would be stupid not to realise when someone wishes to do you harm and take precautions. You do not keep a crocodile as a pet, unless you can safely house it.

A man who, like you, openly says that he wants to see you dead is not friend material. You are not hated here, nor feared, but you are pitied. You are like someone who caught rabies.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:08 pm
by Hombre
SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:
I am 100% sure she has not ready even a tiny part of the Qur'an as that would immediately contradicts her. Already she demands the burning of libraries and the closure of all channels of information and knowledge, as she has a little book by an Arab which she has not yet begun to understand.
Could you stand in front of a mirror, see your own face or take a selfie screenshot yourself . You yourself have never read the entire Quran, don't criticize other people.


What she is demonstrating is how Islam affects people, how it shuts out enquiry and how it treats non-Muslims. Her new found faith came with a load of baggage, and clearly a solid dose of arrogance is part of that too. Suddenly she is more educated than any theologian who ever lived. She will stay with her fad for a few weeks and then find something else. Most likely the trigger will be when she discovers that to "real Muslims" an Irish convert to Islam has short term propaganda value but in general is despised and distrusted. She will loose many friends and Muslims who before conversion were kind and attentive will quickly fade away.
She has found new love, it is Allah.

As Allah said, Then do ye remember Me; I will remember you. Be grateful to Me, and reject not Faith. [2:152] :D
Yes, thanks to Allah that Muhammad is not alive today - otherwise, he would "marry" her as his 10th wife.

Re: MUHAMMAD AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:25 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:
No wonder the sinners have crucified His son because it is not sin.


I see your ignorance screaming all over the net... You never heard of "unconditional love"? Then you do not even know what love really is.
Never advise me, I am not celibate who has never been married, they do not know what true love is. :lol:

Look at your mother, she gives you a hint: No matter what you do, she will always be there for you. She will try to guide, but gently, without force. How blind can a man be not to see things like that.
So, the Christian God is a woman. :lotpot:

And also...

Muslims believe that they are not bound by any agreements with non-Muslims and that it is their duty to either kill or humiliate/enslave (with jiziah and other measures) any non-Muslims. This does not so much inspire fear but contempt and distrust, which is quite justified. I am not afraid of those who need my taxes to buy socks or bread.... Nor do I hate them. But it would be stupid not to realise when someone wishes to do you harm and take precautions. You do not keep a crocodile as a pet, unless you can safely house it.

A man who, like you, openly says that he wants to see you dead is not friend material. You are not hated here, nor feared, but you are pitied. You are like someone who caught rabies.
The Church still dreams of Muslims to convert to Christianity. On the contrary, the Church was increasingly frightened when they realized that many Christians had embraced Islam. :roflmao:

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:22 am
by BaigZaheer
Christians should be grateful to the Jews and Romans for killing Jesus as that is what the biblical God and Jesus had wanted.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:27 am
by SAM
Hombre wrote:Yes, thanks to Allah that Muhammad is not alive today - otherwise, he would "marry" her as his 10th wife.
Muhammad's wives are peanuts, when compared to your King David had 100 wives, and Solomon had 1,000 wives, among whom were 300 captives.(slaves). :*)

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am
by manfred
Never advise me, I am not celibate who has never been married, they do not know what true love is


Love is not lust.

So, the Christian God is a woman.


So God is love.... there is a woman who knows how to love.... Sam's conclusion God is a woman. :clap:


The Church still dreams of Muslims to convert to Christianity. On the contrary, the Church was increasingly frightened when they realized that many Christians had embraced Islam.


There are more Muslims converting out of Islam than into it. And who is frightened? Who wants blasphemy laws? Who burns down churches or forbids their constructions?

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:31 am
by manfred
BaigZaheer wrote:Christians should be grateful to the Jews and Romans for killing Jesus as that is what the biblical God and Jesus had wanted.


Some Christian texts do suggest something like that. However, suppose a man really wants to die. Then someone who does not know him mugs and kills him in the street. Is this man guilty or not?

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:52 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:
Never advise me, I am not celibate who has never been married, they do not know what true love is


Love is not lust.
So celibacy has no lust. :lol:

So, the Christian God is a woman.


So God is love.... there is a woman who knows how to love.... Sam's conclusion God is a woman. :clap:
You assume that the Christian God is like a mother, so your God is a woman.


The Church still dreams of Muslims to convert to Christianity. On the contrary, the Church was increasingly frightened when they realized that many Christians had embraced Islam.


There are more Muslims converting out of Islam than into it. And who is frightened? Who wants blasphemy laws? Who burns down churches or forbids their constructions?
You wrote: It does seem as if Muslims simply cannot agree among themselves what a "real Muslim" is, and there is very little if any room in any section for dissent. But despite of this absence of a definition, it is still the "fastest growing religion", which I find somewhat odd.

You find it strange and odd why Islam is "the fastest growing religion". You pretend to not know or deliberately act stupidly.. :lol:

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:10 am
by manfred
So celibacy has no lust.


Real love is not connected to lust.

You assume that the Christian God is like a mother, so your God is a woman.


No that is your inability to process simple information. If there is a woman who knows what love is, it does not mean that God must be female.


You find it strange and odd why Islam is "the fastest growing religion". You pretend to not know or deliberately act stupidly..


You cannot hide you severely limited intelligence behind name calling. The more you do that the more you expose yourself.

Muslims cannot agree with each other even on what Islam is. So how can they say it is anything, such as "growing" or whatever.

As to reasons for this claim it is more to do with making babies and oppressing minorities than with people converting to Islam of whatever flavour.

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:57 pm
by sum
Hello SAM

If Islam is the fastest growing religion as you say, would it matter if all the extra numbers were entirely Shia while the Sunni numbers stayed the same or dropped?

Would this situation lead to more unrest and conflict between these two sects?

sum

Re: MUHAMMAD ﷺ AND MADINAH IN THE BIBLE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:33 pm
by SAM
sum wrote:Hello SAM

If Islam is the fastest growing religion as you say, would it matter if all the extra numbers were entirely Shia while the Sunni numbers stayed the same or dropped?

Would this situation lead to more unrest and conflict between these two sects?

sum
I don't give damn sh!t, which Islamic sects (Shia, Suni, Ahmadiyya, Naqshbandi, Sufi, Qadiani, Shafie, Hambali, Hanafi, Maliki,etc) that Kafirs embraced Islam.They all say the same Syahadah, follow the same Quran and Sunnah.

The most important thing is that they become ONE Ummah to cast terror into the Kafir hearts :lol:

The conflict between the Sunnis and the Shiites of these two sects is political.